A lot of scissor takedowns end like that, that’s why their outlawed in almost every grappling competition. This kid knew more than wrestling, who the hell puts their back control hooks in and hips into somebody on their stomach? A bjj guy.
There's things you do when training that are dangerous and you know it. Everyone who trains knows this is a dangerous move. Malicious, maybe not but high chance if this happening and if you know how to do it, you know how it can end.
Just had first wrestling practice ever yesterday as a senior, never done it before. Twice I fell on the person, a friend from the swim season, while doing a take down we learned suspended in the air with falling weight. Let's just say I am glad he is unusually tough for being 30lbs lighter than me and made out of bricks
@@jackdaniels2905 excellent question, but no. Most BJJ competitions have you start standing, but many practitioners then choose to sit on their butt. In BJJ most of the time the match is won on the ground, thus most practitioners spend more time working on ground techniques, and then when it comes time for competition a lot of them are ill-prepared and uncomfortable wrestling on the feet. Another reason why some gyms start on the ground is because you need a lot more space when grappling standing. You can pack twice as many people into a room and spar on the ground than you can if you plan to spar standing. It’s much more dynamic on the feet.
Now I see why this move was banned in Judo. He did everything right, didn't do anything irresponsible, yet it still broke the other guy's leg just because the angle was ever so slightly off. Edit: Take a close look at Blue's right foot <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a>. The way it's pointed outwards is the difference between debilitating injury vs a safe takedown. But there is no way for the attacker to see that in the heat of the moment. Crazy how much difference such a small thing can make.
@@13Percent52PercentYikes I am not really sure what you mean when you say that's not an edit. I saw the details after my original post and added it on; I "said what I wanted to say"
@@13Percent52PercentYikeswhat are you talking about you stereotypical *l*ck? the OC obviously took another look at the video, you idiotic smooth brain.
Scissor leg takedown. High chance of breaking your opponents leg. I’d say he did it more muscle memory though since the other wrestler set it up half way for him
Not if you do it properly. You're supposed to kick out with your bottom leg to sweep them from under. Cung Le does this a lot in kickboxing. Should it be in wrestling? If it counts as a sweep then I guess not
This move is illegal in Jiu Jitsu tournaments because of its history of causing injuries. neither person involved has (much) control over the takedown Edit: Thanks for the likes everyone!!
@@mchapman2424 It's not about it being intentional. It has a bad history of this happening a lot and that 's why judo and jiu jitsu make it illegal in competition even though it is a real throw in both sports.
@@Arcanus31 It's illegal because this happens a lot and if you keep injuring your athletes you don't have a sport. The injury rate on this is super high because of the lack of control. It is only done during the black belt test to prove you can do it.
Laugh if you will but leg breaks can be some if the most painful injuries one can sustain. I once saw a guy pass out from the pain and go into shock. Shit ain't good.
Same it really had me pale and shaking it hurt so bad. My knee swollen up like a water balloon almost immediately and I heard the sicken crunch and watch my leg form an L . What hurt worse was when it got put back in place that sucked. My knee healed up but it's never quite been the same it's been 13 years since that day. I still remember the feeling like it was yesterday. Wouldn't wish it on anyone and it was just a freak accident. Big guy shot in for a double leg I sprawled and my foot got caught between the mats as he drove forward and snap crackle pop.
I don't mean to say you are wrong. But I've seen people go into shock over the sight of blood and lose consciousness. It's not really the greatest way to measure how painful something is. I don't randomly faint at the sight of things, never have. I gag and at times have a light stomach about certain things at worst. Yet there was a period of a few months where I was prone to fainting. Had something to do with the vagus nerve and all that. If I smoked and then stand up during these periods of time I have to take a knee or risk finding myself on the floor a few seconds later. I can sense it coming in time. But during one of these periods of time. A buddy showed me a gnarly video of a dudes leg in freezing Temps. Bad injury and it was so cold his blood was concealing and he would stick his finger in his wound and scoop it out. I didn't immediately pass out. But I felt a lil queasy. A good minute or two had passed and then I felt me getting faint. Leaned down on the table and braced my arms on it thinking it would pass. Buddy asked if I was okay. I said I think I'm about to pass out. And next thing I knew he was next to me on the floor and told me he caught me as I fell lol. I've been able to rewatch the video and am totally fine. I've never had anything like this ever happen again. It's all about things relating to mental state and blood. Blood sugars, salts, pressure, heart rate. Watched a video. Stopped. Stood around for a minute to stop feeling sick. Passed out. No pain. Just my body handling a little bit of shock poorly and needing to reset. Also you usually go into shock and then pass out not the other way around. And then there's the type of shock that lasts a while and you don't pass out.
I broke my leg dunking at a local ymca at first I thought it was just dislocated didn’t hurt at all it was all laughing and jokes the moment I tried to bend it and take a step I instantly fell at that point it looked like I had another calf but under my kneecap and it was the worst pain I have ever experienced
@@Signingman He has his mouth wide open exactly when it happens and the scream happens pretty much exactly when it happens, it was obviously the kid. No one watching would have reacted with a scream like that, that quickly.
@@plum9783 No. It was his mom. You actually hear the kid yell. He says "Uh!" and there's like a 1 second pause. The mom processes what happened and makes the "visceral" scream you are talking about lol
This kind of thing happens . 1966 I accidentally broke a guys leg in a similar move totally accidental. Knees are exceptionally easy to damage , only takes about 12 to 15 pounds of pressure in the wrong spot. Both guys were actively grappling. I don’t see this as intentional.
Fuck, idk what's worse, the image of dudes broken ankle, or the mother's shock and sadness overwhelming her to the point she cant even scream. I hope dudes doing better now.
Camo Carnage according to the national federation of high school wrestling it is very illegal. not saying some refs wont let it slide if nobody gets hurt but is iilegal in every state
There was a dude in our wrestling team tried to do this on me he almost broke my leg in addition he did this on purpose, miraculously my leg didnt break.
i wrestled for almost 19 as well and i agree with E.R. ive seen dudes land wrong and literally had their elbow destroyed from landing. injuries happen in wrestling. i tore my mcl senior year (finished the season and got fourth in the state). point is injuries and accidents happen. and tbh the video cut off but it looked like the other guy wasnt laughing or trying to hurt the kid. trust me if you think this was dirty or illegal youre new to the sport. (ill probably get heat for my comment but bring it on)
been wrestling 52 years, would like to add my two sense into this. If you look closely, you could see the kid who got his leg broke was in fact wrestling. Now that I think about it, the other kid who broke that kid's leg may have also been wrestling.
Bro that was some shady ish, you would dominating the whole time, you didn't have to do that. And BTW these kids are in middle school? They're freaking huge if they're 13
Imagine if it was you. It’s your leg or it’s your son out there that just got injured. You would feel a lot differently about this. Leg injuries are devastating with life long consequences
You cant say they dont have any experience,cause i guarantee you if any of those kids went up against an average person that doesnt know shit at all...they'll body em...
This got nothing to do with training with lower level partners a dude thats better than you in a match and tries a move that’s easy to hurt your opponent if done wrong has nothing to do with rolling with a noob he simply hasn’t drilled the move enough
White belts are generally fine. It's white belts that used to wrestle that are a problem in my experience. They think they have to win everything, and will spaz out to keep from losing.
that is a throw in Judo called kani basami , which is outlawed in judo competitions for its high rate of injury, and famous competitors suffering breaks like this in contests. The technique roughly translates to scissor throw in Japanese
@@K_Marrs I am not overthinking anything - I wrote what the technique is called. Judo predates BJJ by 40 years. Esai Maeda taught Judo to the Gracies when he immigrated to Brazil in 1914. The technique that you are looking at in this video is called Kani Basami.
profd65 I mean you can clearly see him trying to trip the guy behind him, he put his leg through there and tho he did trip him broke his own leg in the process. Simple. Stop assuming things its not hard to see what happened here. Even a first year can decide that numb nuts
Dude, let me explain shit to you: the guy in blue picked the guy in white's leg up...see that? OK, then the guy in white deliberately threw his free leg behind the guy in blue's legs, and then he deliberately flopped down on his back breaking the guy's leg. Look up the judo throw called "kani basami"--that's exactly what the guy in white did. I'm not saying he meant to break his leg--I don't think he did--but I do judo and I know that that's a dangerous move; it's been banned from tournaments for a long time.
Nah he was setting that shit up. You can tell he didn't want to snap his leg, but if you look a few seconds before guy in yellow was setting up the move clearly l.
First year wrestling season is almost over this stuff still scares me a bit. Nothing much has happened to me except soreness and like some scratches but dude it is scary especially going into like highschool. Hope that kid is doing aigh.
This move is also known in the judo world. I forget the name, but bending backwards cases extreme pain, and forward breaks the person's leg. Its illegal.
Scissor takedown or Kani Basami in Judo. There is a reason its banned in Judo and most BJJ tournaments. To my understanding its not legal in major wrestling organizations. I've seen this exact injury before and its quite common to have the ankle, lower leg, and knee of the near side of the takedown injured from the body weight of thrower collapsing on the leg versus posting the weight on the far arm and using more scissoring action.
Who actually caused or executed the "scissor takedown?" The chubby Ohio wrestler ... or was it his opponent? It seems Ohio initiated involvement with his opponent's legs. But then the opponent sort of sweeps his legs clear and both wrestlers end up being supported by Ohio's legs momentarily ... until Ohio's lower right leg snaps. So who really is at fault ... if either of them?
@@jazzandbluesculturalherita2547 The Kentucky wrestler wasn't just sweeping his leg clear, that was the takedown. He had his left leg (grabbed) across his opponent's right leg, then he threw his right leg behind the opponent's right leg in order to "scissor" it. At that point neither of his feet are on the ground, the Ohio wrestler is supporting both of their weight, which is what caused him to fall over. That's the "takedown" part. What makes this dangerous is that if the leg of the opponent being "scissored" becomes trapped underneath then their knee and/or tib fib effectively gets guillotined between the floor and the thrower's thigh. Which is what happened here. That said I doubt the Kentucky wrestler expected this to happen when he went for it, it looked like an accident.
@@yewtewbstew547 Yes, playing back at half- and quarter-speed, I see now that Ohio's right ankle got caught sideways behind Opponent's right knee and the mat, leaving Ohio's lower leg caught above and on top of Opponent's right leg. The result was inevitable: the weight of both wrestlers coming down on Ohio's lower leg, breaking both bones. I'm sure it was probably unintentional and accidental, but perhaps a bone-headed move by Opponent, nonetheless. I think Ohio was pretty much out-classed here by Opponent, and Opponent could've easily won by using more conventional moves. He was pretty much dominating Ohio in the opening minutes. Ohio needs to lose some weight, build some muscle, increase endurance, wrestle in a lighter weight class ... after his leg heals.
@@jazzandbluesculturalherita2547 You're actually an insane asshole. Scissor takedowns have often injured people, that's why they're frequently banned. Nothing to do with the guy's weight.
This wasn't an illegal move, it was just a horrible accident. I've been calling wrestling for 15 years and there was nothing illegal about that at all. Wrestling is a dangerous sport. This is very bad, but not illegal.
Definitely illegal according to the NFHS rule book. Rule 7.1.5. Cut back using the leg to sweep is illegal. Cutback using the hand/arm is ok. I am not aware of any state doesn't abide by the NFHS rule book.
I remember during a playoff high school football game my friend was running the ball and someone landed on his ankle and it broke right next to me while I was blocking. He didn’t even know how to yell so the sound that came out still makes both of us die laughing when we talk about it. Crazy stuff tho man crazy stuff
This is going to sound weird, but for all my wrestling people watching, this actually happened to me at tulsa nationals last year, didnt breal my leg by i couldnt wrestle the match and got pinned. I was furious. The ref could tell i was in pain!
That scissor takedown (aka kani basami) is illegal in Judo for precisely this reason. The risk of injury is too high. Same reason that bicep slicers are illegal -- very likely to break bones.
He accidentally set up a scissor takedown? I'm sure he didnt expect to break the guys leg and that's the source of his horrified expression. But the setup was 100% deliberate.
ya idk how you "accidently" set up a whole scissor takedown. if anything he probably learned it from someone and didnt know the damage it can actually do
I refereed HS for decades. There wasn't anything illegal here. Frankly I was more worried about the torque on the top man's knee while bottom man was trying to come out. But none of that is important when a child gets hurt on the mat. Hope the injured kid is okay and back on the mat soon.
