Kid Kakashi is just to cold blooded man!! Ending those fights before anyone can even show potential is just his style. Great video!! Can't wait for the next.
You already know! Honestly it was tough to not just say he blitzes everyone off rip because he literally would in character. Just had to make it fun to watch haha
Yeah most people do, since the Konoha 12 are all about the same age. I thought they were for a while also, up until seeing their graduation and promotion ages
I always wondered why they would state that kakashi was promoted so young, but a loser like kid obito ended up in the same team as him if they were to be the same age. Now it all makes sense
Technically we're facing a jounin against genin/chunin level fighters, so Kakashi should win, but given the little time on screen and the lack of direct comparison some of the Konoha may win. Also, the possibility of Kakashi copying a jutsu and then using it in another match would be really interesting
Ok this is too funny. Everything hangs on the 1st few seconds. If they'd get killed without blinking or if Kakashi fights them like a villains tendency to monologue and make things difficult. 😅 But its accurate too. People forget that ANBU are assassins and they tend to kill you as fast as possible without talking
Haha I appreciate you! Just found some more evidence for it as well. In the Itachi midnight novel, it’s stated he joined the ANBU at 12, and that’s corroborated by databook 4 showing Kakashi in the ANBU “about 18 years ago”. Just so many pieces of evidence for Kakashi being younger than his peers
You’re 100% correct. He could literally just activate his Chidori and run through all of them, much in the same way he did to that Iwa Jonin and his clones
When you got to the last bit I was gonna say Kakashi realizes curse mark Sasuke is amped so instead of sending his Chidori he’d have a clone make the clash and pierce Sasuke from behind. We were thinking the exact same.
I don’t think that’s that hot of a take tbh. I mean it took all 4 of the sound 4 in their level 2 curse mark stated to take down 2 highly fatigued special Jonin. We know special Jonin aren’t necessarily “Jonin level” in terms of combat, so really they’re like high-Chunin level. That said, if two high-Chunin level characters, who are heavily fatigued, can push the sound 4 to use their curse mark 2 states, and still tire them out a bit, I see no indication that CM2 Sasuke or one tail Naruto could tangle with a legit Jonin.
Well Kimmimmaro was easily high jonin/low kage level if healthy. He can beat the sound at once and was stated by Kabuto that the Hiruzen assassination would have went smoothly if Kimmimmaro was there. So he is possibly kage level. Part 1 Gaara had also killed jonin level fighters, but was weaker than Kimmimmaro. So, now while Kimmimmaro > part 1 Sasuke, they do have similar curse mark amps. I don't think it's a stretch to say Sasuke can be jonin level
@@gotzmoneywayne8216 yeah I think their curse mark amps are probably similar, but Kimimaro’s base (when healthy) was probably much higher than Sasuke’s. That gets him over Sasuke with similar amps. Also, ANBU Kakashi is high Jonin level at least, since he’s stronger than part 1 Kakashi.
@sageofthickcalves Please explain why you believe that anti Kakashi > Part 1 Kakashi. Is it due to sharingan drain? Or him being rusty or something? Because logically, it's make no sense for a 13 year old Kakashi to be stronger than a 30 something year old
@@gotzmoneywayne8216 Part 1 Kakashi is stated to be rusty and out of shape. He was in the ANBU from 12 years old to 20 years old, so at some point during that time he was definitely stronger than his 26 year old counterpart (his part 1 age). Not sure it can be said for 13 year old Kakashi, but it’s possible. Also, part 1 Kakashi > Kimimaro
The issue I see with the last 2 fights is that Kakashi has very low stamina due to the sharingan. He was cold blooded and ended fights quickly because he's not built for drawn out conflict. Even as an adult he is infamous for his attrition. If naruto goes into kyubi cloak it's over for Kakashi. Sasuke put a chidori through narutos chest and he pulled it out and healed instantly. Kakashi beats naruto for sure through his cold blooded nature but if the kyubi cloak comes out it's over for sure. For Sasuke, the same applies. If Kakashi gets the jump and kills him quick that will be that. If the curse mark comes out, Kakashi will run out of stamina too soon to win. Sasuke being an heir of the sharingan means although he is less experienced with it, it doesn't wear him down like it does to Kakashi. And he also has the speed to use chidori so he can react to Kakashi using it. Kakashi would have to win through incredible strategy, and use of ninja hounds to pin Sasuke and end it with a chidori.
@@soJTS to be completely fair, we don’t have a usable metric for what Kakashi’s stamina at 12-13 would be. It could’ve been better than part 1, since 12-13 year old Kakashi is in the ANBU and part 1 Kakashi is out of shape. Also, Kakashi cut a bolt of lightning with his Chidori while in the ANBU. The slowest part of a lightning bolt travels at Mach 587. Gaara’s sand defense is calc’d at Mach 25-30, so base Sasuke is a bit above that. If we assume a 4x multiplier for speed (standard blitz tier level difference) with CM1, that gets him to Mach 100-120. If we also assume another blitz tier amp for Chidori (which is generous), that gets him at MAX to Mach 480. Since CM2 doesn’t offer a speed boost, Sasuke at his absolute fastest would just be slower than the speed we can get Kakashi to. Since FV Sasuke has a newly awakened 3 tomoe sharingan, and 12-13 year old Kakashi would’ve had his 3 tomoe sharingan for 1-2 years, he’s also probably got better perception. Keep in mind, 12-13 year old Kakashi had been on the battlefield fighting life and death battles with grown shinobi for 6-7 years already. It’s outright stated in Fanbook 1 that he was in these types of battles from the time he became a Chunin at 6. So this means he also has a MASSIVE experience advantage. I’m ngl, I was being super generous to Naruto and Sasuke here.
Respectfully, that’s a terrible list. Kakashi could use at least 2 nature transformations, 2 S rank ninjutsu (one of which he created), and was a Jonin all by 9-10 years old BEFORE getting the sharingan, which he mastered to a further degree than most uchiha. I’ll hear an argument for Minato, Itachi, and Shisui for sure. Madara and Hashirama maybe, but it would be all lore based and not feat based. But Naruto and Sasuke aren’t prodigies on that level in the slightest. Sasuke couldn’t even master ONE nature transformation until he was 12 years old. Sure they both become super strong later into their teenage years, but they’re literal reincarnations of demigods that come equipped with magic eyes and a demon spirit equivalent in power to a nuke. Kakashi comes from a regular clan and STILL would’ve mopped them both up at every age through the point they all reach 16 years old.
Great video man the only thing I have to say is kakashi should always be a lightning timer considering his chidori is a raikiri which is literally named that because he cut lightning
Thank you so much! I agree! We just don’t necessarily know exactly when he cut the lightning bolt, making his Chidori a raikiri, outside of the anime stuff.
Kid Kakashi at 5 years old was jonin level. Minato himself said during the bell test which is straight from the academy Kakashi and not even genin yet. He told Kid 5 year old Kakashi after the bell test that. Had he not placed the mark on him. Kakashi would have been promoted to Jonin. Which Minato at that time of the bell test was Jonin at the time. That means that Kid Kakashi at 5 years old was jonin level and was relative to jonin Minato. Had Minato not placed the teleporting seal on him he would have been Jonin. Considering Minato would have promoted him to Jonin at 5 years old. Kakashi being that he would be jonin at 5 and Minato at that time was jonin. That means he would be on the same level of rank at 5 as Jonin ayyy and jonin Killer bee. Which jonin Minato a little bit later after the bell test fought both of them. That means that Kid 5 year old Kakashi had Minato not placed the seal on him. Would have been Jonnin and would have been able to fight those that are the same rank as him as Jonin at that age of 5 like jonin Ayy and Killer bee. Since they would be at the same level of Jonin. So, Kid Kakashi would be at Jonin Minato and jonin ayyy level of Jonin. As well as during the bell test he was relative at 5 years old to jonin Minato. He had to have been relative for Minato to say had he not had the seal on him he would have been promoted to Jonin. Which puts him relative to jonin/relative jonin level. Which Minato was Jonin at that time. Thats crazy Minato said that he would have been the same level as him had he not put the seal on him. At age 5 kid Kakashi would have been jonin and smoking all the rest of the Jonin. He was just that guy. Instead Kid Kakashi at 5 would have been promoted to Jonin but since Minato put the seal on him. He was not promoted to that but was put at Genin. Then at age 6 one year later after that Kakashi beat guy in chunin exams and became chunin. Then at age 9 or 12. I think Id rather go with your research of 9. But, either one which ever is correct whether 9 or 12. For this id rather go with 9 he was promoted to Jonin. Then at age 13 Kakashi became Anbu captain. He was the Anbu captain of Itachi. Anbu are right bellow Hokage level. They are high jonin level ninjas. Not a lot of Jonin become Anbu level. It takes high skilled/level of Jonin to become Anbu members. Which is the body gaurd to the hokage. So, they are right bellow Hokage level. Kakashi was Anbu (Captain) meaning he was higher then just basic Anbu level. So, at 13 Kakashi was Anbu Captain level which is above normal basic Anbu level. So, he was high jonin level at age 13 just bellow hokage level. At the age of 13, thats how powerful Kakashi was. Id bet you the Kakashi that fought Zabuza was Hokage level. Kakashi at age 13 was Anbu captain level which is high Jonin level just bellow Hokage level. So, by that logic him being an adult would put him at hokage level. Especially considering his vast knowledge of copied jutsu and his change in chakra nature and considering his use of gates and considering his use of both A rank jutsu like Rasengan and Chidori. As well as his use of Ninja hounds, and shadow clones like water clones, mud clones, and shadow clones. With his ability to use 1500 copied jutsu. Not including his mudwall and his speed which at the age of 5 years old was relative to Jonin Minato definitely puts him as an Adult as Hokage level. The only thing that really gave him a rough time was two things the water bubble which even gave Neji, ten ten, and rock lee a hard time. Which we all know how powerful Neji was. With him taking a while to stop it having to find a weak point in it. As well as the other thing that gave Kakashi a hard time was Tsukayomi which is such a overpowered jutsu that not a lot of people would have been able to take on that. It would have one shot even hokage opponents had they fallen under it. That jutsu is way over powered. So, overpowered that if a jinchuriki was put under that Genjutsu. The host bijuu would not even be able to put them out of it in time nor even know they are under in time. As it only lasts seconds in the real world. So, those are the only two jutsu that really gave kakashi trouble as an Adult. Which those two jutsu would have gave everyone else trouble to. Neji and rock lee and ten ten would have all stayed under the water bubble had Neji not used the byakugan to find the weakness they would have been screwed. Had Naruto not broken the hold Zabuza had on the water bubble. Kakashi would not have broken free. Thats how op the water bubble is. So, yeah Kakashi is a beast. This same kid Kakashi you are talking about at age 13 is a Anbu Captain he is already High jonin. This 13 year old Kakashi would wipe the floor with all of the Konoha in the Chunin exam. Even Neji, Garra, Naruto, Sasuke, heck even Kabuto. This Kakashi is 13 and is Anbu captain which is higher then average basic Anbu. Which alone basic Anbu level is High jonin class. This Kakashi would wipe the floor with them all. You might say well why would Kabuto in the Chunin exam lose to a Kid 13 year old Anbu Captain Kakashi. Well the same Adult Kakashi that fought Kabuto. Was not only older then the 13 year old Anbu Kakashi but also this kid Kakashi is experienced and goes on Anbu Mission everyday. Which the Adult Kakashi that fought adult Kabuto was not doing S and A rank missions everyday like Kid Kakashi. In other words Adult Kakashi that fought Kabuto. Was not doing battles every day like the kid one. So, Adult Kakashi has the power, skill, and ability to beat Kabuto. But, did not battle everyday like the Kid Kakashi was. This Kid Kakashi is battle ready doing S rank ans A rank missions every day. He is ready for whatever Kabuto throws at him. Not only that but he also has the gates as well added on top of that to. This Kid Kakashi is battle ready and has the speed advantage. Adult Kakashi is not as fast as Kid Kakashi. As he gets older his chakra might increase but his speed decreases. Like how a 13 year old in real life is faster then a 25 year old in real life. The same can be said for Adult Kakashi and Kid Kakashi. Kid Kakashi can outspeed adult Kakashi. Kid Kakashi deals with S and A rank battles everyday. He would know what Kabuto is gonna do and can analyze it and be steps ahead of him and even outspeed Kabuto. Kabuto would he outclassed by Kid high jonin Anbu Captain 13 yr old Kakashi
Even 5 year old Kid Kakashi that was relative to Jonin Minato and would have became Jonin at 5 years old had Minato not put that mark on him. He is relative to jonin level and would have been jonin level had Minato not marked him. So, even he is relative to Jonin Minato. That 5 year old kid Kakashi would be able to take on all of the chunin and beat them like Shikamaru Kakashi would win, Kiba and gated lee Kid 5 yr Kakashi would win. Heck he even beat a gated Might guy at 6 years old. Definitely with him being relative to Minato at 5 would beat Rock lee in gates. Neji is 50 50 but I still think more then likely Kid 5 year old Kakashi would beat Neji. Garra is jonin level in power as he took down Jonin. That 5 year old Kid Kakashi would have been jonin had Minato not put the mark on him he would have been Jonin at 5 yr old. So, kid Kakashi is relative to Minato and relative to Jonin. So, he would put up a good fight against Garra who is a jonin level in power kind of opponent. Id put them relative. However what sets them apart is. Sasuke was able to pierce Garra with his Chidori. So, Kid Kakashi who is way faster then this sasuke and can use chidori. Would speed blitz this garra and hit him with a chidori. He would be able to tag Garra before he puts up the sand dome. But, even if garra does put the sand dome up like he did against Sasuke. Kid 5 year old Kakashi would be able to pierce it. This kid Kakashi was able to keep up in relative speed to non teleporting Minato in speed. So, garra would be a cake walk and Kid 5 year old Kakashi does not have a sharingan to drain him of his chakra and speed. So, he would speed blitz and chidori Garra before he can put up the sand dome. Also, even if he does put up the sand dome. Kakashi as a kid 5 years old chidori is fast enough and strong enough to pierce garra sand dome. Kakashi as a kid chidori is stronger and faster then Sasuke chidori that pierced and highly damaged garra and his sand dome. So, kid kakashi chidori would beat Garra. Naruto is able to react to lightspeed attacks. So, his 9 tails form would become a problem for kid 5 year old Kakashi. Zero tails Kurama mode Naruto was able to react to light speed Haku. So, if Naruto goes Kurama Mode it might outspeed 5 year old Kid Kakashi who is relative to Minato without teleporting combat speed. So, if kid 5 year old Kakashi faces Kurama mode Naruto even zero tails he might lose. But, in a hypothtical had Minato not put a mark on Kid 5 year old Kakashi and Minato made him Jonin. A 5 year old Kid Kakashi jonin who fights jonin level Minato opponents like Ayyy and Killer bee every tuesday as 5 year old Jonin that kid Kakashi would beat Kurama mode Naruto. But, since we are talking Relative to jonin Minato and not Promoted to Jonin but almost was promoted Kid 5 yr old Kakashi he would lose to Kurama mode Naruto even at zero tails. Now onto the last fight to talk about for kid 5 year old Kakashi which is Sasuke vs Kid 5 year old Kakashi. This Sasuke was shown to be faster if not as fast as rock lee. Kakashi at 6 beat might guy who even at that age would be relative to rock lee. So, speed wise this kid 5 year old Kakashi would be faster then. Do not forget as well. This kid 5 yr old Kakashi is relative to Jonin Minato in speed btw that was a shadow clone that almost touched Minato bell which is slower then the original. Anyways, this kid kakashi at 5 years old is jonin Minato relative in speed so this Sasuke would get outsped and even at 6 year old Kakashi beat a might guy who is at rock lee which is at Sasuke level of speed. So, this Sasuke is getting outsped. Not just that this Kid 5 year old Kakashi chidori amps his speed. So, he would be even faster then that. So, his chidori would blitz and is more powerful then Sasuke chidori and would blitz him. The only way this Sasuke would win if he used CM1 Sasuke/if he had his curse mark on. That version of Sasuke would beat 5 year old Kid Kakashi. But, if not curse mark Sasuke. The Sasuke that fought Garra. Would lose to kid 5 yr old Kakashi. He would get speed blitz and stabbed with a chidori. Also, hypothetically if this was 5 year old Jonin kid kakashi who hypothetically got promoted to jonin had Minato not placed the mark on him. That Jonin 5 year old Kakashi as a kid who would be at jonin Minato level and jonin ayy level fighting jonin like jonin ayyy and killer bee opponents every tuesday. That Kid Kakashi would beat CM1 Sasuke. The Sasuke that fought Naruto on final valley. That Kid Kakashi would be him. That Kid kakashi would also beat Kabuto who was in the chunin exam. But, if it was 5 year old Kid Kakashi that was relative to jonin Minato and was relative jonin. But, was not promoted to jonin because Minato placed the mark on him and would have promoted him to jonin. That kid Kakashi would lose to Kabuto. Kabuto was jonin level and he fought Kakashi would was high jonin level. So, kid Kakashi at 5 year old who was relative to jonin level but did not get promoted but would have been had Minato not put the seal on him. Would not be on the same level as Kabuto. Although he would be relative. He was not quite there. But, if Minato would have promoted him to Jonin at that age and he would get jonin fight experience fighting jonin like ayy definitely 5 yr jonin kid Kakashi would beat Kabuto.
Couple points 1. Kakashi as a kid and especially during the bell test does not scale to Minato or A at all. Minato was not bloodlusted during a bell and using that as a gauge for full power Minato is really illogical. Kakashi once he was actually promoted to Jonin was still relative to Stone village jonin who were fodder to Minato. 2. Adult Kakashi isn’t slower than his teenage self. Adults don’t get slower than their kid selves especially when they are in a lifestyle like a ninja and when their abilities improve over time through experience and battle. Adult Kakashi scales way above his teen or kid self.
Kakashi does become a Chunin before Obito. They participate in the Chunin exams together, though. Also, it’s never stated or shown that Kakashi was on more teams before team Minato with Obito
@@thecommonkid8528 There are only 2 ways it works. 1: Naruto enrolled earlier than the rest of his class 2: The test can be taken frequently and he just kept attempting and failing it Those are the only options since he’s outright stated to be 12, along with the other Genin. Where this is VASTLY different from the Kakashi situation is we know for a fact how old Kakashi and Obito were when they graduated AND that they graduated on the same day. Therefore, since there’s a 4 year gap in their graduation ages, we know for a fact that they’re 4 years apart. As I stated in the video, there is ONE piece of contradictory information out there, but it’s inconsistent with every other piece of information we have on the topic, so it’s got to be taken as an error.
If you are giving Naruto and Sasuke their final valley forms then you should be giving the rest of Konoha 12 their Sasuke Retrieval Arc forms which should change the outcomes considerably. That means Choji with the pills, the Kiba capable of fighting on par with Sakon and Ukon (stated strongest members of the sound 4), Drunken Fist Lee and 128 Palms Neji. The baseline scaling for all these guys in their amped forms should be relative or above the CM2 sound 4 members they fought. This means all of them are at minimum above CM1 Sasuke in their amped forms as CM1 Sasuke got obliterated and kidnapped by the sound 4 without them taking any noticeable damage. The same Sasuke in base was able to fold base naruto in CQC and Kakashi says they would have killed each other when both using their top jutsu. This should mean that everyone on the retrieval squad who showed relativity in combat speed to a CM2 sound 4 member should be at minimum round 1 chunin exams gated Lee level while having much higher AP. But that's just the baseline. Retrieval arc Neji and Drunken fist Lee should scale even higher. Neji should be a blitz level above CM2 Kidomaru. While severely injured, he's able to run through the forest and 64 palm CM2 Kidomaru before he hits the ground falling out of a tree. He also gets within point-blank range of Kidomaru before even being noticed and Kidomaru is shocked he was able to do that. Neji's upper body CQC, especially rotation and 64/128 palms also scale above his own movement speed considerably as he's able to throw out hundreds of strikes per step and in life-or-death situations he also chooses to use rotation and 128 palms in a stationary position to fend off swarm attacks instead of dodging and moving out of the attack radius. Neji is also the only Konoha 12 member to outbox a CM2 sound 4 member without an amp. Drunken fist Lee is even crazier, being able to get the better of a base Kimmimaro in CQC, the same Kimmimaro that is able to solo the sound 4 in base and whom Kabuto and Orochimaru believe would have turned the tides in the battle against Hiruzen had he been present. This Kimmimaro also demolishes a stronger KM0 Naruto than the one who fought Neji in the chunin exams which further supports the notion that the CM2 sound 4 and retrieval arc members apart from like Shikamru should all scale higher than CE/Konoha Crush Sasuke. This is also the range where people start getting into that lightning timer range as Kimmimaro would not be able to be relevant in the Orochimaru vs Hiruzen fight without being able to combat them at those speeds. You could say this would only apply to a CM2 Kimmimaro but even, then Orochimaru and Hiruzen are far above just lightning timer level so 10x less than that speed should still be lightning timer level. All things being equal for the Sasuke Retrieval Arc forms I see Red Pill Choji and Food Pill Kiba being bumped up to mid-diff while Lee and Neji should be bumped up to high diff with a real chance of winning. A hypothetical healthy gated Lee with drunken fist could even take a straight up W. Let me know what you think. Solid video! I found you from one of Virthue's videos.
Thank you! This is a good breakdown. I don’t think any of the scaling here would matter, though, considering Kakashi’s base speed is still at or above weightless Lee’s and the Chidori is confirmed to give a 10x amp to speed and power. That said, everyone but Naruto, Sasuke, and Neji in their strongest forms gets a Chidori through the chest before having an opportunity to do anything significant imo. Even Choji with the red pill or Lee in 5th Gate shouldn’t be enough, assuming they’re even able to get that far into the battle before getting turned into a Rin remake haha
@@sageofthickcalves Hey man! I agree Kakashi still wins he has better concrete scaling but I'm just saying all these guys should be bumped up in difficulty. By the time we get to the Sasuke retrieval arc, all of these guys should be above CE weightless Lee by a few times atleast given my prior scaling, so being 10x above that with Chidori shouldn't completely outscale them, especially for Drunken Fist Lee or Neji. Also, Neji with rotation is able to combat attacks faster than himself, while the Byakugan will be able to see the chakra build up for Chidori. I could see Neji definitely pulling off an aim dodge or preparing a rotation before Kakashi blitzes him, and all he would need is a few strikes to shut down Kakshi's tenketsu and attack his vital organs, incapacitating him.
@@deathreaper4166 Well, the 10x Chidori amp would get him up to being a high lightning timer, so the base speed being being ≈ weightless Lee is a massive downplay. The reason for this is because Guy saw the lightning bolt cut, meaning it had to have been the visible stroke, which is the upstroke, and that travels at 1/3 the speed of light. That’s at about 100,000 KM/s, meaning if you take away the 10x Chidori amp, he’s still at 10,000 KM/s. That’s Mach 29,154, or 29,154x the speed of sound. We know pretty soundly that Lee’s base speed is faster than sound, but it’s certainly not 29,000x the speed of sound, since he had to use the first gate (with his weights) to blitz the sound village dudes, and the first gate gets you to likely about 5x your normal speed. So, unless the argument is Lee’s weights made him 5,800x slower, he’s nowhere near Kakashi’s speed. Genuinely, if you assume that each gate is an order of magnitude increase (which is a massive highball), Kakashi’s base speed would still be nearly 3x Lee’s in 3rd Gate. I don’t think people realize how impressive the “cut the bolt of lighting” feat is.
@@sageofthickcalves I've seen a lot of contention around that lightning-cutting feat, most people seem to think he didn't cut the return stroke. I don't know enough to contest it directly but I would just say I doubt he's subrelativistic to light as a kid as light-speed attacks are still relevant in Naruto even in the war arc. But even if I grant you the 29000 X speed of sound for base Kakashi, you are still comparing that to a round 1 CE weightless Lee who most of the retrieval arc has surpassed significantly, especially in their amped states. Again I'm not arguing anyone I've talked about can contest chidori kid kakashi directly in speed. But if you think CM2 Sasuke could swap hands with him to a degree, despite being significantly slower, then some other characters would also give Kakashi a somewhat decent fight without being instantly fodderized.
@@deathreaper4166 Since Guy saw the bolt get cut, it had to have been the return stroke. That’s the only part that’s visible to the human eye. Lee is outright stated to be weaker during the Sasuke retrieval arc, though. Even Gaara says this. And the only reason Kimimaro couldn’t deal with his drunken fist is because of the unpredictable nature of his strikes. Even if you want to assume it’s a 100x amp, though, he’s still getting blitzed. I genuinely think base kid Kakashi to CM2 Kid Sasuke shouldn’t be close, but most Naruto fans would disagree with that. I was lowballing Kakashi HARD in this video for the sake of giving the Konoha 12 a chance tbh
Age for age I think the only ones that can give Kakashi a run for his money are Itachi and Shisui. Even Minato had slower progression than him. And I’m in the camp that says hokage Kakashi is stronger than Minato too.
Good video and more of these gauntlet style videos or videos where you have different versions of a character and talk about where they scale to (for instance, talk about Kakashi versions and which tier of fighters he's in using Naruto's versions as a barometer for example. So like War Arc Kakashi scaling to around KCM1 or higher, Kakazu fight scaling to rasenshuriken, etc.) I personally would go with the databook interpretation but the topic of this is more nuanced. At worst, it just a retcon or is a timeline error which is one of the few (other being Ame orphans age and when Jiraiya trained them although the Minato one shot kinda gives us an answer). I'll explain: For starters, databook 2 we know Obito's age at his death was 13. Kakashi is 12 in Kakashi Gaiden as he is promoted to jonin and in databook 4 Obito is 31, born in February and Kakashi is also 31, born in September. The 4th databook contains all jutsu and material nearly up to chapter 700 I believe stopping before Naruto & Sasuke's final fight. This would place the databook date in October. So given this Kakashi can't be 4 years younger and never was intended to be. Now the reason why we could argue he was promoted fast was due to war which was on-going at this time. Kakashi is 10 years younger than Minato so this is around Minato one shot territory which should be near the end of the 2nd shinobi war. Although the 3rd should start relatively quickly after, we know the 3rd shinobi war is most notorious for sending child soldiers on the battlefield. Something the first two wars didn't seem to have given the newly founded shinobi structure. But considering the 2nd war was canonically said to be a very long and gruesome war, the nations were forced to send kids out to the battlefield. This also in turn shot prodigies up the ranks and got guys like Kakashi promoted as fast as possible and created scenarios like Zabuza massacre in the Mist chunin exams. While I doubt he went on the battlefield and was later able to actually take a real exam before actually going on war impacting missions, I think this is a plausible take. We know from the Itachi novels anime version that Itachi was looked to be promoted faster but was argued for it not being necessary since they were not at war. I generally don't take filler into consideration but am just giving context to a situation where it's plausible to argue both ways.
All this to say though, Kakashi even before sharingan in Naruto Gaiden when he's 12-13 years old (I believe it's stated he's 12) is a jonin. A jonin not only has to have the skillset to be at this level but the power. Even the aura of a jonin scared a Land of Waves Sasuke who arguably was beyond a genin and near chunin level. I'll be honest, if we even extend the age to 15 in part 1, there's only ONE and potentially THREE total shinobi at that age or younger that's stronger than 12 year old Kakashi even without sharingan. The one that's stronger is Haku and the other two potentially is Sasuke retrieval arc Gaara and Kimimaro. Adding in sharingan the last two could be a toss-up still since I do think both are at a jonin level but not at the peak of part 1 jonin like Haku is. Another potential with highball gag scaling would be drunken fist Lee if you take the literal interpretation that it took all of part 1 Guy's and Neji's might to stop him Most of Konoha 12 don't surpass/are relative to this Kakashi until Shippuden war arc and even in part 1, red pill Choji, drunken fist Lee and Final Valley Naruto & Sasuke all are most at the peak of chunin at this point and with Naruto & Sasuke you'd have to do some serious head canon scaling to pit them in the jonin level since the only combatants they face are each other. Given the not so definitive scaling, Naruto & Sasuke would get blitzed and muscled even in there max power against a jonin fighter in 12 year old Kakashi. Part 1 Kakashi felt the chakra of there final clash and rushed still without pulling up his sharingan so it leads me to believe that they are at least not at peak part 1 jonin level. How that scales to a sharingan kid Kakashi who's at lowball normal jonin level is where it gets iffy and where you could highball Naruto & Sasuke which if you do, then what you said in the video is perfectly fine. I just don't think either eclipses said level
I’ll definitely do more gauntlet style videos in the future 🙏🏼 As far as Kakashi’s age, again, the most recent information we have comes from the Itachi novel and it confirms he’s the youngest graduate ever. The ONLY piece of information that contradicts Kakashi being 4 years younger than Obito is the databook 4 age listing. They’re shown graduating together and participating in the Chunin exams together in the manga, so they are 4 years apart in canon.
@@sageofthickcalves We do know he would be 12-13 years old given the fact that all the databooks (that show the characters age which for Kakashi is all 4) have it lined up to where he's born in the same year as Obito and Guy with there births being early in the year. We also know that it wouldn't be a "maybe he was jonin for a while" cause that day was his first mission as a newly promoted jonin. Either way, it's not a big deal but yea he is 12-13 years old. We know this cause Obito is presumed dead at 13, stated in the 2nd databook.
@@sageofthickcalves It doesn't even hint at them being 4 years apart, it never has in canon. Especially when we've seen them in the academy with each other. Him being the youngest graduate and youngest chunin is fine. I think it's perfectly fine to interpret also that they fast tracked a prodigy cause it's stated numerous times that the 3rd ninja war in particular is notorious for sending children soldiers out, something not seen since the warring states era. Obito's age lines up with Kakashi's age and the fact we know his hypothetical age he dies at just means we know when Kakashi got promoted to jonin give or take a year (12-13). Even then, this wouldn't contradict anything related to a jonin Kakashi, just when he got his chunin promotion. It wouldn't even contradict team dynamics necessarily cause chunin don't have to lead squads and can still be apart of a team lead by a jonin. Even then, that's not a big deal it would just mean we don't have a concrete explanation as to why but can get a hint at potentially why
If kakashi was 4 years younger than Obito, then Obito would've been like 17 when he went on the mission that killed him and he is very clearly still a younger child
No Obito is directly stated to be 13 during the Kanabi bridge mission. Kakashi is 9 there. Kakashi’s age at that time is never stated, but considering he’s shorter than Obito on the cover of chapter 243, even the artwork depicts him as younger. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10243000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-243
@@sageofthickcalves I've never seen anything stating obitos age, but I'm not saying I don't believe you. However the height thing is kinda weak evidence. I mean hell Naruto was quite a bit shorter than Sasuke in the beginning too but they're the same age
Here is a thing I would like to argue against. While yes KAkashi should be able to Blitz and stab Naruto with the chidori... The fact is that Naruto already once got pierced by that shit and it did NOTHING... kyubis chakra almost instantly regenerated the wound. Also while naruto needs mental reasons to call the power of Kurama... Kurama would act to protect Naruto from str8 up dying, and we can see this when Sasuke literally breaks Naruto's neck and Naruto just fcking revives like a zombie. If KAkashi hits him, I think Kurama will just start a massacre at that point.
@@sageofthickcalves Well at this point it really depends on whether you think Kurama could still regenerate him even with his hearth pierced... I'm no doctor, but I think you don't instantly die if you lose your heart. Also Naruto was able to point blank divert Sasukes chidori, that is the ONLY reason Sasuke didn't hit the heart. This was a Naruto btw who didn't even want to fight at this point. Anyway, it's debatable, but I'm inclined to believe that he would be able to heal up instantly, and at that point str8 up go into 1tail. How I see it, after he got pierced, even tho Kurama healed him, Naruto was still himself, didn't even have the 1 tail yet. He got the 1 tail only after Sasuke literally Pile drived him and literally broke his neck into pieces and probably his spine or at least parts of it with that move, any normal person would be dead on the spot. Only then did Kurama just not only heal him, but almost instantly counter attack. At that point Naruto was barely even present, it was mostly Kurama doing the fighting
1614 I feel there is an argument to be made that Sasuke possibly has a stronger sharingan than kakashi due to Oro believing Sasuke possessing power over Itachi while relatively unimpressed by kakashi's and we are aware emotions play a factor with sharingan
I think Orochimaru was talking about overall potential with the sharingan. Which we see if true in the end. In part 1 Sasuke's sharingan is nowhere near as mastered as itachi's or kakashi's sharingan. In part 2 Itachi also states that Kakashi has mastered the sharingan far better than the majority of the uchiha clan..
Well, Rin, Ebisu, Asuma, and Kurenai all graduated at 9 years old as well, so I think the implication is that Kakashi was just way ahead of his classmates.
Kakashi and Obito are the same age?? Just because kakashi graduated at 5 doesn't mean Obito is 9 at the time?? It just means kakashi was so smart I'm comparison to his class, that it didn't take him years to graduate. He simply blazed through everything so quick that there was nothing left for him at the academy, thus he graduated as a child prodigy
They’re shown in the manga graduating at the same time and taking the Chunin exams together a year later. Chapter 599. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10599000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-599
Okay I want to point out something maybe I could be wrong but kakashi isn't 4 years younger than obito. In chapter 599, we literally saw kakashi, obito, rin, guy, asuma, kurenai and all their promotion graduating from the academy at the same time. They all look the same age unless you think either kakashi is so tall that at 5 years old he's as tall as 9 years old kids or those 9 years old kids have the same height as a 5 years old kakashi which in both cases doesn't make sense. They all pass the chunin exam at the same time and we know that kakashi became jonin at the same time obito became chunin for both at 13 years old. In the anime it's the same obito, kakashi and rin have the same age with kakashi graduating first but stays genin for a couple of years because he doesn't value teamwork and obito and rin graduating during that time and later on joined kakashi to form team 7.
Since their graduation ages are repeatedly stated and confirmed in canon, and we see them graduate together, the conclusion MUST be that they’re 4 years apart.
@@sageofthickcalves That doesn't make sense because not only obito look exactly the same age as kakashi but he also look the same age as the others who also graduated at the same time as kakashi.
@@israelmatulimubalama1496 if the argument is, “They look the same age,” it’s not a very good argument. We also see Kakashi at 3-4 years old when his dad offed himself and he doesn’t look 3-4. Literally 95% of the material we have on the question of how old he is points to him being 4 years younger than Obito. If he’s not 4 years younger than Obito, explain how they were able to graduate and participate in the Chunin exams together.
@@sageofthickcalves Maybe it's because they both graduated at 5 years old and were on the same team. How do you know he doesn't look 3-4, it's pretty much the same kakashi we saw in obito's flashback who graduated at the same time with the others. You sayed it yourself Kishimoto doesn't write the databooks.
@@sageofthickcalves All I just want to say is that if obito is 4 years (which is a big gap) younger than kakashi. Kishimoto would have shown it. If we just look at the konoha 12. Negi, lee and tenten are 1 year older than the others and we clearly it when we compare their heigtht. Why kishimoto didn't show it with kakashi, obito and the others aswell ?
I don’t see kakashi taking these-Lee(lee in base was dogging on Sasuke who prior was perceiving haku and you add gates to base it’s crazy. Not to mention I doubt guy opened gates while fighting kakashi in the exams, considering how kakashi in Pt 1 was surprised that lee could even open gates/ kakashi mentioning that it was basically impossible to open the 5 gates only with hard work alone says enough/also pt1 kakashi was flabbergasted when 5th gate lee blasted off) Naruto & Sasuke( I don’t think I needa say much they got to much buffs for this kakashi to handle)Shino and Neji( it honestly just depends which side ur leaning towards, tho I do think kakashi would take the win from neji. Shino is weird and we didn’t see much from him but put some respect on his name🗣️
I broke down why Kakashi should be at least as fast as weightless Lee in base, and faster than 5th Gate Lee with his Chidori. Also, this version of Kakashi has been in the ANBU for 1-2 years, meaning this is cold-blooded Kakashi. He’d likely go straight for the kill before Lee even enters the gates. But again, Chidori Kakashi speed > 5th Gate Lee speed. Neji and Shino face similar issues. Kakashi is just too fast and has the killer instinct to pull out the Chidori off rip. Neither of them have a viable way to deal with it, unless you want to argue Neji’s rotation is Chidori-level.
@@Redoren966 yeah he’s stated to have been 13 when he was crushed. Also, the novel calls Kakashi the youngest graduate ever. Couldn’t be the youngest ever if he graduated at 9 with Obito
i see ur point but i still super disagree with how easy u made the fight seem, Shino has literally never lost until the BS boruto "anime cannon" shit @@sageofthickcalves
@@jism2035 Shino is definitely a beast. I just think his lack of speed feats is what gets him taken out. But I dig the Shino love! 🙏🏼 Also, thank you for regularly engaging on my videos! It means a ton
What makes you think 1 tail Naruto is stronger than adult Kakashi? Also, ANBU Kakashi from the extended canon material is probably stronger than part 1 Kakashi, so it wouldn’t matter either way. I just see people say that a lot, but never with any actual evidence. So I’m curious what makes you think that
@@sageofthickcalves 1 Due to Haku being stated above kakashi multiple times by Zabuza and kakashi, and Naruto in land of waves being stated to be above his sensei in terms of chakra and being above Haku and that Naruto is not as strong as 1 tail Naruto 2 Naruto has multiple amps more in final valley more than land of waves
This seems slightly bias because of Amped naruto and sasuke light speed calcs and speed kid Kakashi is getting blitzed since you only said kid Kakashi is a lightning timer so i don't see how he beats the amprd versions of naruto and sasuke
@sageofthickcalves there is a video on RU-vid where it goes over light speed sasuke it uses the haku stuff, and Naruto, when amped, was almost killed. Jiriya, who fought itachi, who is light speed and has light speed attacks
@@imthecoolest3884 Haku doesn’t always travel at light speed in his mirrors. Six did a good job debunking that. The databook statement clearly states he CAN move at lightspeed in the mirrors, so the fact that we know he was holding back and fatigued after essentially stalling Naruto and Sasuke is a good indicator that he wasn’t using his full speed in the mirrors. Raikage Ay’s lariat is stated to travel at “near the speed of light”, so unless you’re willing to make the argument that land of waves KCM0 Naruto can keep pace with War Arc Ay, you can’t argue these versions of Naruto and Sasuke are anywhere near lightspeed. Another good indicator for that is that the same Sasuke who “perceived lightspeed Haku” got BLITZED by base, weighted Lee, who couldn’t react to speed of sound attacks. It’s simply super inconsistent and not backed by the feats at all to scale part 1 Naruto and Sasuke to light speed.
@@imthecoolest3884 yes, the war arc. The only statements that have any credence for light speed in part one are that Haku can travel at light speed between the mirrors, and that Itachi’s water bullet moves at light speed. However, both of those can be explained away pretty easily. I already explained why Haku wasn’t moving at light speed against Naruto and Sasuke. The water bullet was countered by Kakashi using his sharingan to cancel out the jutsu. Nobody dodged it, he just activated a jutsu at the same time Itachi did. Again, there’s no evidence for anyone actually moving at lightspeed in part 1.
Using WA Kakashi reacting with 6th Gate Guy to define Kid Kakashi is a little bit disingenuous. That Kakashi has far more experience with the sharingan and is using Raikiri not Chidori.
@@commander1suv492 tbh I can’t remember what my points were in this video because it was so long ago lmao. I will say, though. 10 year old Kakashi at Kanabi Bridge was able to fold a jonin named Kakko, who’s called “extremely powerful” in the databooks. This means he’s likely high jonin level, and Kakashi as a 10 year old body bagged him. Based on the face that the S4 had to go to their level 2 states against two special jonin, who were notably exhausted and fresh off a mission, and ALMOST LOST, I’d say you’d be hard pressed to get FV Sasuke to high jonin level.
It’s been shown. Kakashi in base during the war arc is relative to base Guy, but he’s relative to 6th Gate Guy while using his raikiri. Also, it’s stated multiple times that Chidori is a high-speed thrust that’s impossible to use without the sharingan because it’s too fast. Even Minato calls the jutsu fast.
@@HC-gm4fo well honestly, Kakashi’s speed is all over the place during the war. He’s shown moving on pace with KCM2 Minato later on in the war, while in base. So either he got way faster throughout the war arc, or he’s as fast as Kishimoto needs him to be. I personally go with the latter. However, since there are so many references to the Chidori being too fast to use without the sharingan, and the panel in question during the war arc,I think the fair interpretation is that it amps the user’s speed to some degree. We’ve actually seen Kakashi amp his speed with chakra before (during the Deidara fight), so it’s not implausible that a jutsu could do that.
Rin would’ve died around 1-2 years after Obito was crushed, so Kakashi would be 11 at that point. So, yes he will have awoken the mongekyou, but he can’t actually use it until he’s an adult. He’s basically unaware of it until shippuden
2239 You are using part 2 kakashi statements and applying it to his 13 year old self hmmmm also Sasuke is above every version of his sensei up until part 2 there is way too much to suggest that sasuke just beats his 13 year old sensei
254 Why is impossible that Obito graduated early? as both seem to be the same age in the manga also the manga you are able for argument 2 also the novel does not say Obito is older so it should just be that Obito graduated a few months after at age 6 with the graduation for Obito being inconsistent You only need to eliminate the graduation and promotion ages as it doesn't anything to imply Obito is older
If kakashi is 4 years older than obtio, then why are they the same height? And why in the filler adapted for the novels when kakashis a teen, he looks much older than in his backstory with obtio?
Kakashi is 4 years YOUNGER* Chapter 243 cover. Obito is taller. Depends on which anime stuff you’re talking about. There’s filler with him in the ANBU looking younger and some where he looks older. He was in the ANBU for at least 8 years (12-20), so yeah that makes sense. He was 9 in Gaiden, according to the graduation and promotion ages, and Obito’s age. Kakashi looking significantly older at 12-14 in the Kakashi backstory stuff makes sense, based on how quickly kids that age grow.
Umm he might not be 4 years younger obito could have participated earlier and loss without graduating, I think guy was in there too but they are the same age also kakashi could’ve took it twice for team building. Kakashi and OBITO did not graduate in the same class.
Kakashi and Obito literally did graduate in the same class. It’s in the manga. They also participated in the Chunin exams together a year later when Kakashi got promoted to Chunin. I have a 1 minute short on this topic you can check out. I have all of the scans and proof in there. Link: ru-vid.com9BkdI6aZTFg?si=LtFzZvhYIIJZPHBE
@@sageofthickcalves Kakashi and Guy Asuma and Kurenai are all the same age they were all in the same class kakashi graduated earlier than them not at the same time your only using obito as your Stamp and not the rest of the generation. Guy made Chunin at 11 Kakashi made Chunin at 6
@@sageofthickcalves and all I’m saying is they all must’ve graduated on the same day or obito was held back guy graduated 7 from the academy and Rin at 9 Asuma and Kurenai but they are all the same age unless your saying kakashi is using a fake age😂😂😂 hes 27 at the start of the series same as the rest of his class
@@aaronhall4039 They did all graduate on the same day, AND they all participated in the Chunin exams together. Their graduation and Chunin ages are consistent throughout the series. The only thing that’s inconsistent is the databook 4 adult ages. Also, Kakashi is 26 at the start of the series, not 27. Literally every bit of evidence we have points to them being a few years apart, aside from ONE databook 4 statement claiming they’re all 31 during the war. However, since all of the information prior to that and all of the information after than, in regards to their ages, consistently has a multi-year gap in their ages, you go with the most consistent interpretation. The most consistent interpretation is that Kakashi is 4 years younger than Obito.
@sageofthickcalves Avtually you are both wrong... Kabuto is actually the greatest prodigy. Thubk about it. Kabuto at age 19 was = to part 1 Kakashi (who is stronger than kid Kakashi
Man Kakashi isn't four year younger than Obito 💀 Read the Minato oneshot we see kakashi Guy and Obito and they are the same age if kakashi is 4 years youngers he would be a 2 years old in that flashback kekw
The Itachi novels, databook graduation ages, databook Chunin ages, manga graduation day chapter, and manga Chunin promotion chapter all disagree with you. Also, Kakashi is confirmed in the Itachi novels to have been in the ANBU at 12. This is another piece of evidence that he’s younger than Obito, who was 13 when he got crushed.
@@sageofthickcalves the Minato oneshot was wrote and drawn by Kishi. The databook and the novels diden't they have a ton of errors they are "supervised" by Kishi but I doubt he read them especially when he was writing Naruto. Also the Minato onehot is new so is more close to the actual autor intention. In Resume Minato Oneshot >>> Databooks and trash novels
@@Foxes4035 the Minato one shot also doesn’t confirm Minato’s age, nor does it confirm the ages of any of the kid characters you mentioned. So the Minato manga has zero stake in the ages of these characters
@@sageofthickcalves Kakashi being in thousands of battles. Kakashi’s war experience somehow countering Sasuke’s fire power when he has taken Orochimaru a man smarter and more experienced than Kakashi off guard. Kakashi being smarter than Shikamaru at the same age when the Itachi Naruto is talking about is decades older and far more intelligent than his younger self. Also applying some jutsu that Kakashi might not have.
@@Redoren966 1: When did I say Kakashi at 12 has been in thousands of battles? I mean he’s been on the 3rd war battlefield for 6 years by that point, but if I said he’s been in thousands of battles, the word “potentially” was probably included. He should have dozens to hundreds of times the battle experience of that Sasuke. 2: Kakashi’s war experience + superior scaling implications in terms of speed should counter any potential output advantage Sasuke has. Why is that weird? 3: When did 12 year old Sasuke take Orochimaru off guard? You talking about the wires? In the fight when Orochimaru is clearly not trying to take him down, but rather test out his ability? 4: Kakashi is probably on the same tier of intellect as Shikamaru due to the fact that he’s displayed having a higher IQ at a later point and was able to do things Shikamaru couldn’t, such as creating an A rank ninjutsu at younger than 10 years old. 5: What jutsu did I give Kakashi that he wouldn’t have? He 100% has Chidori by the time he’s 12 because he has it at 10 during the Kannabi Bridge mission. This means he also has the rasengan because he developed the Chidori after learning the rasengan and failing to apply lightning nature to it.
