Kidnapper Father Becomes Son's Organ Donor | Chicago Med | MD TV 

That’s America

Hospitals are business. Their business is in treating patients/illnesses.

​@@sagelgexpect in basically other countries than the USA.

That's the USA for ya. If we can capitalize on money, healthcare is not a priority.

Gotta do whatever it takes to keep the place running

His father loved him so much, more than life itself and more than his mother ever did; he was rescuing his son, not kidnapping him

@@Epic11705unfortunately, according to the law he still kidnapped him. It didn’t help that he was still on parole from being released from prison so they couldn’t even go easy on him. He gave it up for his son to get the help he needed. He was a hero for his son.

@@wintersbabyy he does say at one point in the episode that the mother was supposed to be taking him to his dialysis but wasn’t. (I’ve watched the show)

There isn't much you can do for a kid with kidney failure besides dialysis and wait for a transplant. My friend's sister was on the list for months and got sicker the whole time. None of her family was a match but thankfully they found one. Dad goes to Mom's house and sees his sick kid with kidney disease and blames the Mom and not the disease, and has made it clear he had no idea how the disease was managed or what the kid needed. They don't really say how long the kid was missing, like if the Dad was hiding the kid for a while but he got sicker, or if the Dad immediately drove the kid to the hospital because he didn't think the Mom was doing enough, but considering the BOLO was already out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dad intended to hide and keep the kid permanently but he missed some medication or was given food high in salt that would have made his condition deteriorate even more, then Dad panicked. The only thing I see that is definitely the Mom's fault is not getting the Dad tested as donor but she may have been prevented from doing that while he was incarcerated, and before he was kidnapped the kid might not have been sick enough it was an immediate concern. They don't say why the Dad was incarcerated but even if it was low-level/nonviolent, the mom may still have a good reason for wanting an unstable and infrequent presence out of her sons life. Also, I have a bunch of relatives in healthcare and they've told me stories of family, usually Dads or Grandmothers, who decide that a chronically ill kid's disease can't really be that bad (Kid or Mom or Doctor must be exaggerating) and the treatment is what is actually making them sick, so they find a way to stop it by skipping a kid's doses/appointments, or they impose their own "treatment", and then they're shocked that kid gets way worse very quickly, so maybe I'm biased when I see one parent did the lionshare of caregiving and the other has no idea what to do but still thinks they will do it better. It's like the opposite of munchausen by proxy.

@@calleythompson2781 i get the feeling you didn't really pay attention to anything in the clip. he said mom was supposed to be handling dialysis but wasn't. he also said he saw how sick his son was and that's why he grabbed him and immediately took him to the hospital. a BOLO (or more likely in this case, an AMBER alert) would have been issued as soon as he took off. the staff said if he was trying to avoid getting caught he wouldn't have taken the kid in. they don't say what the dad did that sent him to prison in the first place or why there was a protective order against him but the mom was clearly dead-set against involving dad in son's care in any capacity, including testing for organ donor matching. maybe she was depressed because of her son's diagnosis and was just waiting for him to die, who knows. the fact that you have personal experience with a parent deciding a child's illness doesn't actually need treatment and you pin that on the dad who took him to the hospital instead of the mom who was skipping dialysis is astonishing to me. also, denying treatment so they can continue getting attention for how gravely ill the kid is also fits munchausen by proxy.

Capitalism

It’s less about the reputation. Like she implied, hospitals and such are federally required to maintain certain statistics of care to keep things like accreditations, grants, and more. These things allow the hospital to serve the community in the first place. If they lose accreditation then they can’t help ANY patients.

I hate to be that gal but I will say it: trust me….. her hands were tied tight. It sucks but she has to follow these rules

@@madmudslingerlmao this has nothing to do with capitalism.

​@@lyricmezzosoprano5357Yet again, Capitalism

She’s called the B word

Didn’t sound like she liked having to do this at all

@@joewhitehead3oh yes she did she loved it all bosses are like this it’s all about the money

@@jessicaparks1723Dr. Lanik, not Dr. Taylor

Cuddy from house would also call the authorities There's legal obligations that hospitals have no choice but to follow

That’s technically neglect not endangerment. It’s not endangerment as he was a felon while she was simply the boys mother. It doesn’t make her right and the fact that she didn’t makes her case a whole lot worse. He was a known dangerous man with a child so they had no other choice but to call it endangerment, they had no clue what he was going to do, even then he would be arrested for violating parole and probably some other stuff.

In ‘real life’, they’d never ever let a criminal off the handcuffs like that. For exactly this reason - because they become a threat to others.

Please tell me the boy survived

@@hollythecatgirl492 he did survive

in ultimate truth, the dad loves his kid but his wife fupped both him and the system over just for her gambling debts to be closed. in certain truth, the females are deadlier than the males for that reason.

@@andreav622 the father died then?

…I’m looking at a dead body when there could have been NO, dead bodies. So yeah, I think the decision was wrong.

Even more messed up considering that he didn't need to if the board wasn't so dumb. Or if he just waited a little and went to the other hospital

That father is a true hero for sacrificing himself so that his son could live

He killed himself? That’s what I thought

@@teneesh3376 but it was implied that the kid didnt have that time and that the transplant needed to be done immediately

Giving his life for his son is probably a better outcome for him than going to prison for aggravated kidnapping. The father did what any good father should, he gave his life for his sick child.

But if we don’t treat patients as customers, we have communism :(

The desire to maintain reputation is entirely independent from the profit motive. That is going to exist in every institution or figure with public profile.

Tell that to pharmacies.

@@thomaswalmsley8959Reputation leads quickly leads to more money

Even in countries where they have socialized healthcare, statistics still matter.

i liked how at the end, she gave a subtle "this blood is on your hands".

"That doesn't mean the decision was wrong" my ass. What a total bullshit statement.

That’s what parents do everyday

I would most def die to save any one of my babies

I didn't understand that tbh. Like they definitely could think of reasons to not to. The boy dying and the father there able to donate. Just sad. Even the fact the boy could be way more anxious and upset at being alone and having his dad leave which could cause him to deteriorate faster could be a medical reason. Also totally agree with you on that!

Yeah, I was wondering where the mother was in all this while I was watching and she was barely mentioned. That had me really confused because you would think she would be involved. Plus, I would want to know what kind of care she was giving the kid that would lead to him here.

plus the kid clearly loved his father. he didn’t seem scared of the dad or nervous around him so the father obviously caused no harm to the child while “kidnapping” him. psychologically or otherwise. there was no reason to call the cops in that moment

No. The mom might've not been a match and keep in mind the dad was in prison. It's not like they would've tested the dad in prison. The mom was doing what every person does waiting for a match

@@_adrian_sean except taking her kid to dialysis, or getting the dad tested for a donor match, or SHOWING UP AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN HER SON HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND IS ACTIVELY DYING.

It makes me*

@@alexandramoyer8785no point in correcting if everyone understands the meaning

she took herself off the transplant list because it wouldn't look good for THE STATISTICS.

Shes an administrator. They can be heartless.

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I have to say that you said that the logic must be tempered with compassion and love, yet the argument you laid out was a logical one.

If she's so worried about their average, allow him to donate there, hold an organ donor registration media campaign, and then schedule as many transplants there as possible so that he's not even a blip in the data. Now you're going to have the hospital in the news for his suicide, and that's not the kind of thing that people forget. _Which hospital do you want to go to?_ *Take me to Mercy.* _But, they're farther away!_ *I'll take my chances. I don't wanna go to a hospital where people have to kill themselves to save their son's life.!*

@pezfam well both are logical in different senses. Business wise it's logical to not keep a criminal and the kids death would only be a statistic. The other logical choice would be to let the dad donate and save the kid. It comes down to whether the choice is logical and cold or logical with compassion in mind

@AnnoyingNewsletters When a hospital is run like a business people are numbers and that dad is just another death on the list. This is why businessman should not run hospitals

Whaaaat? Nobody else could have figured that out, you are so helpful!

​@@QapNPoocertified savage

The unfortunate reality for a lot of doctors in his position. I feel bad for some of the choices they have to make

nah, dr choi does this all the time. whenever there's a "by the books" choice and a "morally right" choice, he goes by the books.

Legally he kidnapped his son

Did the kid die?

​@@hollythecatgirl492he lived thank goodness

the thing i don't get is how does "a child died waiting for a transplant with a viable donor in the building" look any better on the ~sTaTiSTiCs~ than "organ donor dies after being released from the hospital"?

@@dietotaku if a kid dies from an illness it’s not the hospitals fault technically but doing a surgery or organ transplant then the hospital is then liable and it hurts their success rates.

I understood that reference

@@TeenBeQueen27please help me. I’m drawing a blank even tho I feel I should know this lol

@@katscratchfever3506In another episode, a man held the hospital hostage because he wanted to see and keep his son who was going to be put up for adoption (keep in mind, the father had pretty much abandoned the wife through her entire pregnancy, and both people were still teens, I believe).

@@katscratchfever3506 it’s from phinneas and ferb. Doctor doof says it

Those two should be responsible for this!

The woman with the glasses is right about donating the father's kidney. The woman who yelled at her is wrong. People should donate kidneys.

Gwen should have said that the decision was wrong. They should have replaced Gwen with someone more likable.

True. My country also has public health system and I'm so glad its not like that

I don’t think that’s a fair judgement

The problem wasn’t that he couldn’t see his son. The problem is that as soon as the dad was medically fit, ie not dying, he would be incarcerated and have to recover in prison. Prison is an extremely high risk area to have to recover from medical surgery from or any sort of wound, and therefore he would have a high risk of secondary infection/death that would lead to worse statistics for the hospital.

😔

May I also add strong emotions lead to irrational decisions, this was the only way he saw fit at that moment to help his son

@@brandonmcglocklin9040 most definitely put that into consideration just saying what I would’ve done in his shoes is all not everyone makes the same choices during these situations

Actually what he did was the best thing he could have done that was within his power to save his son. If he just wounded himself, he would have been transfered out as soon as he was legally "medical stabled" which the standards for are quite low. His son would have most likely died in the scenario since no kidney would have been available. The only was to either wait to hear from another hospital that was willing to the transplant and hope he wouldn't be incarcerated or make his "available" to be used.

While I agree with you in MANY cases there are non-profit hospitals, many of which are EXCELLENT facilities that are not run the same way FOR PROFIT hospitals are run. Now there are some non-profit hospitals that I wouldn't trust, but my point is that you can't measure every hospital with the same yardstick.

COVID was the perfect example, they'd lable noncovid deaths as COVID to get federal funding. They made money keeping COVID numbers up, damn crooks they are

@@feliciatierney2265non-profit huh?

What episode is this?

Season 4, Episode 3 Heagy is one Heart.

Why did he do that? Asking genuinely, I didn’t see the whole episode. Why would he kill himself at all and in front of his son?

Bc his kidney was a match but CM's admin wouldn't let him donate bc he was a felon, and on his way to jail for kidnapping. The boy was dying and they couldn't find another donar so he shot and killed himself in order to donate his kidney so his son could live.

@nonbinaryfrog4369 The saddest part, at least for me, was learning that a different hospital had agreed to do the transplant. to remove a healthy kidney from the father to the son, which would have allowed the father to live and have a relationship with his father.

I love that movie

I hope his son got both kidneys, and that as many other people as possible could be saved by the rest of his organs.

​@@AnnoyingNewsletters not really he didn't give permission for others to get his organs just his son and even though it's the patient that would suffer I don't think the hospital deserved that win. That lady irks me everytime

Did you end up having nightmares? Mental health first aider here, if you havent had nightmares yet then you should be fine and they shouldnt occur :) The prime period for them to occur has passed. If youre having recurring nightmares of this then yes you should receive some help. Since this is so new it should only take probably 1 EMDR session to rid you of it. Either way, you should be fine :)

@@AliciaStrong-FragileCorpse666 I did have a nightmare, I’m pretty sure. I think I had more than one that night.

@@ColorsofHopeCraftsASMR If you are unable to remmeber them or even if you ahd them then they shpuld not translate into PTSD, if youve had non since tha very first night you should be totally fine and have no long lasting impacts from hereon out :) Sorry to bring you back to this video, I just felt it was important to converse with you for a sec

@@AliciaStrong-FragileCorpse666 I do have PTSD. I often remember my nightmares.

Damn.

A big difference is how severe the patient is. A person in severe pain, kidney disease and arythmia will get seen to before a broken ankle or a bad cough. Its sadly how they have to deal with things as we dont have enough staff in hospitals to cover every patient to who comes in immediately.

@@sire_pixels9765 i was in severe pain trust mee

@@totallynot_sam what was it for, child labor lol (I'm jking btw)

Kidneys don't heal back, unlike the liver, where if you donate a section of it, that section will grow back, while the section that got donated will grow into a full liver. Kidneys can't be sectioned off, each individual is born with two, and they play a role in body by converting unusable and toxic materials into urine. If you lose one, you have to watch what you eat, and losing the other means death unless you find a donor. With all that, I'd say liver surgery might be safer.

nah I think they took one of his kidneys , thags a major surgery

Taking someones kidney is a pretty major surgery. Having surgury simply done ON a kidney is not, however. As transplating a kidney is a little difficult due to all the little endings that need to be atatched and such. Thats what I understand

dunno about that last part, did she EVER show up? her son had been kidnapped, was terminally ill and actively dying in a hospital bed, in all the time it took them to call the cops, arrest the dad, hold him in the trauma bay, test for a donor match, bicker over the transplant and finally off himself and successfully transplant his kidney into his son, not once did we see a glimpse of the mother.

Yes. They did take his kidney afterwards for his son.

What’s that supposed to mean? Legitimate question.

I think the father got shot and killed by the other officer.