Kill or capture? Assassination and war | Defence in Depth

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We want bullies, thugs and dictators to be dealt with, but understand military action can sometimes be very messy. Throw enough heavy metal and high explosive around and a lot of the wrong people are going to be killed. That will do your cause no good whatsoever and could damage your long-term moral credibility as a nation.
Which is why some observers suggest that targeted killings are a morally superior way of dealing with threats because they limit collateral damage and are preferable to all-out war.
In this episode of Defence in Depth, Dominic Nicholls, The Telegraph’s associate editor, analyses the practice of targeted killings, assassinations, so-called ‘kill lists’ and their need for accuracy and discretion.
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@telegraph Год назад

Have a topic you would like us to cover on Defence in Depth? Let us know in a comment down below.

@guff9567 Год назад

Discuss the assassination of Gaddafi and it's effect upon the region

@ShowemRight Год назад

How about discuss this NATO expansion into Russia, and why is it that certain elements in US Government decision making see it beneficial to walk the talk of then US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright during the Clinton administration for NATO expansion. The late M Albright was advised by one of the greatest minds on US foreign relations The late George F Kennan, and she refused to take advice from this man who was instrumental in maintaining back channels with then USSR, to now The Russian Federation. Mr Kennan who lived to be 101, has a heck of a lot to do with why we have a functioning world thats free of radioactive dust plumes rotating around Earth for decades, and not looking like something from the Denzel Washington movie "The Book of Eli".

@KenSoHappyClegg Год назад

Lets dream up some battle plans to sack Moscow and give psycho putin a special military education

@davidb6576 Год назад

I would love to see an in-depth review of the means of propagandic influencing of populations - the "non-kinetic" work that groups like Wagner were doing in seeding forums and comments sections (like YT) with pro-Russian messages. I do wonder how much things like "Q" have been guided, if not originated, by actors working against America and Democracy in general.

@guff9567 Год назад

@@davidb6576 Yeah? What about the piles of NATO bots? I failed to see one pro-Soviet one

@jasft9746 Год назад

Letting murderous dictators die of old age is a crime against humanity.

@TheHomescreen Год назад

Zelenskyy is the dictator. Withholding elections to retain power. The United States were able to hold a election during both world wars

@avinashverma9789 Год назад

well us presidents have more criminal record than any dictator in present time.

@herptek Год назад

Stalin sort of got away with it.

@Oregon123 Год назад

@@herptekobama is still alive. Bush is still alive. They are totally getting away with it.

@warnpassion Год назад

Like Churchill.

@ginojaco Год назад

Yes, that is a very moral assessment. Can't help recalling that, when the UK was under an existential threat, we were quite happy to see things the way that Ukraine does now. And that's the reality. 👍

@robopeteco Год назад

And the cuck in this video is clearly one of them, as they now openly exculpate their bloody practices, which heretofore preferred to keep veiled. But now they've gleefully whipped their daggers out are helter skelter stabbing each and every way the world over. I am not too well myself, but they are truly sick now that they are losing control and like Hitler in the end will not hesitate to bring the whole edifice down in malicious spite with everyone crushed underneath.

@peterwilson5528 Год назад

The UK is far more dangerous to itself. Bring back Boris and it can fully self destruct :)

@AdityaSingh-dw3zm Год назад

Bro , could u explain further ?

@peterwilson5528 Год назад

@@AdityaSingh-dw3zm Well basically the British government have wrecked the UK economy. The Corruption is out of control. The UK mismanaged Brexit so that British people are trapped on Plague Island unable to go easily or trade with the EU. Companies have gone bust because it is too expensive to sell in Europe from outside the EU. Boris Johnson was the most corrupt Prime minister the UK ever had. Foreign EU workers have left Britain the crops are rotting in the fields and orchards. The fishermen cannot sell their fish in the EU and they also have gone bust. This summer British people trying to go to the EU sat for over 8 hours in traffic jams on the motorways. It is getting worse. In Northern Ireland, there might be another war because Ireland is EU and Northern Ireland is now UK out of the EU. Ireland is again a divided country. Good chance war will be coming again to Northern Ireland. It is very complicated.

@richbob9155 Год назад

@@AdityaSingh-dw3zm I doubt he ever will explain as it doesn't even make sense. Last time the UK was under an existential threat, warfare was completely different. It was just a stupid throw away comment I think.

@jjsmallpiece9234 Год назад

Its no more immoral to kill a named individual, who leads/influences a war than it is immoral to fire cruise missiles into civilian shopping centre or apartment block

@maggieliz1059 Год назад

I'd say it's rather less so.

@a1176789 Год назад

@@maggieliz1059 somewhat

@Oregon123 Год назад

Zelinsky and Biden. Guilty.

@jjsmallpiece9234 Год назад

@@Oregon123 Of what? Defending against Russian aggression?

@Oregon123 Год назад

@jjsmallpiece9234 guilty of prolonging Poroshenkos ethnic cleansing campaign in east Ukraine. These people were murdering thier own for 8 years before Russia said enough. Bunch of brainwashed monkeys

@bob___ Год назад

It seems hypocritical to say that it's okay to kill indiscriminately by targeting specific military locations where people are known to be present, though their specidic identities are unknown, but at the same time to say that it's not okay to target specific individuals who are known to have military significance because they have roles that are militarily significant.

@alexseguin5245 Год назад

The problem is assassinations is that they are often carried out in a context where there is no hot war to speak of. When there is, they are uncontroversial. When there is not, it's basically the same as doing what Russia does.

@JimmySentence Год назад

Well said, friend.@@alexseguin5245

@gssbruno Год назад

The moral highground is the best place to install your artillery system.

@thomaspattinson3977 Год назад

Excellent again.

@davidb6576 Год назад

Well presented, Dom. I do have some issues with targeted killings, and going after big fish like putin has obvious, dramatic ramifications. But smaller fish - generals, spies, those that send missiles into cities indiscriminately - I'd have no issues with a drone finding and removing them. I don't require "boots on the ground" for such work. But then, I'm neither a lawyer or military strategist.

@chrisdelaplante5515 Год назад

What about targeting Bush for what he did in Irak ?

@BigMakBattleBlog Год назад

Speaking as someone who fly's drones for Ukraine, it does indeed require boots on the ground

@davidb6576 Год назад

@@BigMakBattleBlog Thanks for your efforts! I'll take your word that BOTG is needed too, I don't discount that at all. But I'd rather not risk UA human assets when possible.

@BigMakBattleBlog Год назад

@@davidb6576 it's all about range ..I'm right now in a position where the Russians are 2/3 km away and my drone can fly about that far and come back..Sadly there artillery has a much longer range ..Of course I'd I had a predator drone I could be sat in a control room anywhere in the world... But could I hit at shoot and scoot vehicle or speed boat full of SF... Probably not..I have a youtube.channel.by the way

@davidb6576 Год назад

@@BigMakBattleBlog I'll check the channel. It's trite to say, but stay safe!

@mcloutier5 Год назад

I came for the interesting discussion and stayed for Larry.

@TheJudoJoker Год назад

Vlad and Kim are in a room together. Perfect opporuntity for a demonstration..

@Kohen124 Год назад

Putin qualifies as a strong candidate for this purpose.

@princeindoorandoutdoorplan3003 Год назад

And does ur biden nd European leaders

@Kohen124 Год назад

@@princeindoorandoutdoorplan3003 The only one with importance in passing on to a better life is Putin.

@veramae4098 Год назад

No. The people ready to step into his shoes are WORSE.

@princeindoorandoutdoorplan3003 Год назад

@@Kohen124 then u have to consider biden the most

@Kohen124 Год назад

@@princeindoorandoutdoorplan3003 Biden is NOT on the list of terrorists, but Putin, bad luck for him.

@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder Год назад

There’s nothing wrong with killing specific people in a war.

@stevidente Год назад

This is a stupid question. Anyone giving orders to engage in warfare should be subject to the same probability of getting attrited as the person doing the actual fighting. The chain of command for one side is the chain of targets for the other.

@svetlanasawyer5470 Год назад

This should be done at the beginning as the monster is at the core.

@johntait491 Год назад

Excellent programme as always Dominic. The KGB/FSB/GRU have a good track record in this game. 😉

@polymorphesquirrel Год назад

Not nearly as much as Mossad, judging by the news.

@WonderMagician Год назад

A tough but timely subject to tackle. We must not let this issue creep past us in silence. Thanks for your responsible reporting.

@richardyates7280 Год назад

It seems more moral to kill the commander in chief than a private soldier who had no part in the decision to go to war and probably doesn't want to be there.

@Youtube_deleted_my_favourites 10 месяцев назад

Defence in Depth and Dominic Nicholls are on point. Always look forwads to the edition.

@skogsjarvenab7958 Год назад

Interesting questions, especially in the light of people in England, Russia e.t.c. getting poisoned or falling out of windows. Proactive or active is a problem in a lawful environment.

@jeffransom2977 Год назад

Nice one. I really appreciate this one!!

@SiD19884 Год назад

yes very moral... but the unpredictability of the aftermath is another story.

@janegardener1662 Год назад

Think how many lives could be saved if Putin were out of the picture.

@shonunezekiel Год назад

Maybe - but it is worth considering what the alternative would be... eg in-fighting and break-up of Russia into various warlord-led factions each with their own nuclear arsenal might not be a situation where 'many lives were saved'.

@janegardener1662 Год назад

@@shonunezekiel No one is going to use the nukes. Anyone who uses them will be bombed out of existence.

@j.erickson8571 Год назад

It won't stop the war. On the contrary, the ultra-nationalists that beg for blood will be amply justified. The next leader will have much more appetite for escalation. There are intellectual elites in Russia that will elect the next Putin. There is no easy way out of this.

@kaneworsnop1007 Год назад

@@shonunezekiel not to mention how many of those nuclear weapons will disappear on to the black market.

Год назад

Brilliant as always Dom

@james.telfer Год назад

Fantastic coverage Dom, as always 👍

@Sjalabais Год назад

The whole video feels like an introduction.

@acbgames1766 Год назад

There should be a legal framework to legalize targeted assassinations. 60 million lives would have been saved if Hitler were taken out in 1938.

@tobymaltby6036 Год назад

Not necessarily. Imagine if someone competant at military tactics had taken over. Say, someone like Von Mastein..

@seanbrown701 Год назад

Well done TT

@helennuttall6051 Год назад

This channel is so informative and real and honest. I love it

@warnpassion Год назад

😂😂😂😂

@anor8161 Год назад

morality and war, 2 words that should never be in the same sentence

@hagestad Год назад

to be fair it sounds like British morality. This document explains that very well ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eJPLiT1kCSM.html

@Kevin-xq2tv Год назад

03:52 why is that so perfect with the lmg and rocket man getting blasted LMAO

@jasonadamson4693 Год назад

0:34 Wear gloves to protect your fingers

@dayforit1750 Год назад

I love how when he mentioned eliminating a specific individual, they put Mad Vlad up on the screen 3:00 ha ha, we can only dream!

@madhatter2465 Год назад

Take the Evil out before it strikes us!

@grandroyal66 Год назад

The archer vs crossbow gentleman dilemma. But what has history taught us? I don't have a clue. Either way.. your team is setting the bar.

@behrensf84 Год назад

I don't see the problem of targeted assassination. it's important that those in power making the decisions, can face consequences.

@Ray-md9nr Год назад

I don't like where this is going; We killed Yamamoto. Forget about laws of war, the laws of nature don't even apply here.

@pavelhromadka658 Год назад

What is the point? Yamamoto was an active soldier.

@gzer0x Год назад

Killing an active enemy soldier or officer, no matter where they are or if they are in uniform or not, is permissible under Geneva

@Ray-md9nr Год назад

@@gzer0x Yes, it is, but before Yamamoto, targeting single individuals was frowned upon. After that it became the norm, a very dangerous game to play as mentioned here.

@Ray-md9nr Год назад

@@pavelhromadka658 He was a valid target, but as time goes by it becomes more and more viable to target single individuals, which opens a can of worms that I don't know if we want to smell it.

@pavelhromadka658 Год назад

@@Ray-md9nr Compared to targetting cities etc. it does not scare me as much.

@murrayeldred3563 Год назад

Dom- great sense of humour.....love the kerala.

@jaimerocha4791 Год назад

Greetings from Utah and Mexico. Morality . what a dilemma. It shouldn't be😮. When is morally right or immoral to execute a person? Was it morally right to dispose of Osama bin Laden? Is it morally right to let putler live?. My view on this is : it depends on justice versus plain assassination for nefarious reasons. Or war of aggression versus defense of one's Country; who's moral or immoral in this case ?or mafia style assassination vs. the execution of a mass murderer? The logic is plain to see. It shouldn't be no dilemma🙄😮😀. Glory to Ukraine.

@MrEnajiza Год назад

Glory to the Warriors of Ukraine..SLAVA UKRAINI...Stay strong Ukraine....🇺🇦✌🇦🇺

@RhettThompson-l4x Год назад

Putin qualifies as a strong candidate for this purpose.. Fantastic coverage Dom, as always .

@black_wolf365 Год назад

All Hail Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov of the Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate ... A hero of our time ... Taking the war to the enemy's home! 🍻

@AnarchistHamster Год назад

I had no idea that assassination was even a topic of issue within the context of war. I thought the ethics of assassination were only a matter about conflicts lesser than war.

@fairshareofdrownedsouls Год назад

8:13- 8:19 Tells us all we need to know 🤫

@iancurtis1152 Год назад

We do, I need a good bedtime story🥱

@MrRockfisherman Год назад

Great job. But does not make a great spy novel.. Does thou make us think. Have a great trip, State, love paper plug at the end.

@DanH-u3f Год назад

Both sides will do it.

@markgravenor1097 Год назад

Excellent 🎉

@willclark3784 11 месяцев назад

Some references in the description would be appreciated

@oronjoffe Год назад

Killing is bad. Capture is preferable. Putting your own men at risk in a military operation is undesirable, regardless of the type of operation, but avoiding collateral damage is very very important… nN option in a war is properly moral. The best one can hope for is the least worst option, and which one that is is a question of circumstances.

@prfwrx2497 Год назад

Both. The question is, in what order?

@alexandrucraciun4520 Год назад

Preferably capture because of the obvious informational benefits and the human side of the situation. But…

@BERENCEV Год назад

“Vse v poriadke” Evgeny Prigozhin, 😅.

@thedausthed Год назад

The UK should of engaged in a bit of it after Salisbury.

@hantykje3005 Год назад

Shoot to kill policies were quite common during the Trubles, right?

@simontmn Год назад

I don't think Britain ever used targeted assassination the way the IRA did or Israel, USA and Ukraine do.

@simontmn Год назад

If they did assassinate IRA leaders they'd only end up getting prosecuted by a future British government.

@ericdane7769 Год назад

Hmm, in a legal analogy (sort of), assassination is murder and indiscriminate bombing is manslaughter. The issue is to call out those who use violence prentending it's in self defense, like the Kremlin does.

@MsSquirl00 Год назад

Is calling them out going to stop the genocide of several hundreds of thousands (even on both sides too)? 1 murder vs hundreds of thousands of manslaughter's ... weigh the values of those lives.

@svetlanasawyer5470 Год назад

This should be done at the beginning

@dee-jay45 Год назад

I don't think it's helpful to get all too caught up in the morality of targeted killings. What counts is the (long-term) effectiveness of such killings. That's what makes the assassination of world-leaders such a touchy subject as the repercussions can be hard to predict.

@3800TURBO Год назад

Screw legalities. Get it over with.

@zedeyejoe Год назад

Some times it is better to let an ineffective leader to continue in place. Putin is an example where it is better for him to continue to run Russia.

@MsSquirl00 Год назад

Run it into the ground yes, he is top notch in that 🤣🤣🤣

@donaldkasper8346 Год назад

Assassination does not exist in war.

@simontmn Год назад

Remember, it's ok when we/our friends do it.

@andrewnlarsen Год назад

Too bad Tom Clancy is not alive anymore as some of his books deal with this issue.

@stevecook7551 Год назад

Chop off the head of the snake if at all possible ( Putin comes to mind ) because in many cases what is left has little desire to carry on.

@pedronabais1456 Год назад

wait plane crash? with what? air currents?

@mikevarga6742 Год назад

It’s a no brained to me

@TerenceFarfort Год назад

5:05

@peter3994 Год назад

It’s quite simple. Ok if it is us doing it to them. But they can’t be doing it to us. If all Military spending was put into making each country better there would be no need for war. As the old saying goes “Make Love Not War!” Simples 🥰

@hagestad Год назад

3:43 wait how US took no action? US is currently occupying Syrian oil fields. How is that no action?

@eagleeye9277 Год назад

Karma must prevail .

@claireanddexter Год назад

Do it!!!!

@CatalystD9 Год назад

Dom .. 😎💙💛🔱🔥

@Gurkha73able Год назад

SLAVA UKRAINI!!

@minor-majority Год назад

Пора уже переключить эту стрелку...(проблема вагонетки)

@operator9858 Год назад

iraq was an assassination war. didnt work out so well for us...

@Gigagamer74 Год назад

On any British agent 007 Russians gots their own agent 008 plus one with no number at all.

@jarrodyuki7081 Год назад

istps pride ourselve in begin assasisn.

@miguelangelrodriguez8999 Год назад

lol beautiful have a great weekend

@ciuyr2510 Год назад

I`m sure all this mysterious "dying" in Ruskillya is all just a BIG misunderstanding, they are all with Elvis, 2Pac & J. Hoffa on THE island. Surely, right?! RIGHT?

@MsSquirl00 Год назад

I dont have a problem with Putler eating some bad fish or falling out of a window. 😉 Someone who repeatedly proves they are immoral does not deserve moral convictions from others. Slava Ukraini! Heroiam Slava! 🗺❤🇺🇦

@SolaceEasy Год назад

Regressing back hopefully to Single Combat. Your Best #1 against My Best #1. Losing team - I don't know, become slaves.

@Empire2030i Год назад

one man die with nuke is no good

@leftfootforward1040 Год назад

Ukraine should have no arguments for targeting the russ however they see fit. Slava ukraine 🇺🇦

@BIGMACBURGER Год назад

yes yes, very good, when is Putin visiting the afterlife again?

@willh2739 Год назад

just wtf

@acalisal Год назад

The editing is jarring. Pls slow it down.

@CartoType Год назад

An interesting video but the production was absurdly mannered and self-regarding. How much time and money was wasted in finding a picture of a woman making jam?

@griffiom1 Год назад

So the US and Uk went to syria anyway...

@tompabay8721 Год назад

👍👍👍🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@ramal5708 Год назад

Some say those who does good things for humanity never last long and those who does bad thing like dictators would live longer

@helenmcinerney1058 Год назад

To be fair, Israeli teams shoot pregnant women too.

@obi-wankenobi5332 Год назад

just nuke'em already 😀

@Jason-bp9zr Год назад

Unfortunately the Telegraph is sounding more dictatorial and extremist every day.

@gustavotrejo6888 Год назад

Ah yes let the British dictate to the world what the morality of war should be.

@SnowWhiteSIGINT Год назад

kill

@Rervant Год назад

Western propaganda army 👏🏿👏🏻👏

@jesszaeus7371 Год назад

What about building 7 3 blocks away? Tell me about the government building . How come it collapses . I dont understand it why it went down and happened to be a government building also

@sergeivladimirovichkulikov Год назад

Сеющий ветер пожинает бурю.)

@garysymons3930 Год назад

Your topic is nonsence

@plweis7203 Год назад

The first interesting and objective piece of reporting from The Telegraph for some time. Who decides who is a bully though? Putin? Sure. Blair? Bush? Obama? Trump? Obviously not. Biden?

@gordonlekfors2708 Год назад

Putin is a bully and the other names mentioned are not even close to how foul he is.

@dancahill9585 Год назад

How about all of them are legitimate targets of the opposing side if their countries are at war. They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into, they deserve everything that comes with it. They are all largely commanders in Chief after all. They seem to be every bit as legitimate of a target as a Private, Sergeant, Major, or General.