Kill Team Moroch! Worth the Price? 

Most expensive Kill Team box ever, doesn't even come with enough terrain for a proper match. Games Workshop, classy as ever.

The most expensive kill team box YET!

Waiting for the blooded kill team to be sold separately.

Kill Team is great, played more of it than 40k in the last couple months.

Thanks for the review, I was almost tempted by The Blooded but the space marines really turned me off - I am glad I got Octarius, I have no FOMO over the rest of the boxes so far. ...that may change if a bespoke Necron kill team box is released however!

I think a big missed opportunity for the space marines could’ve been a unique upgrade spru for a non ultramarine chapter to have the Phobos marines become a unique unit with its own flavor

I can't wait to see what you do with Heresy my guy

I bought the basic starter set and am waiting for one of the “next step” sets to catch my eye, none of them have checked all the boxes but this one gets close, probably still gonna wait but it’s definitely a good kit

The starter set was far and away the best... both Ork and Krieg were awesome and the terrain was cool. All three subsequent sets had one cool team (Sisters, Eldar, Guard) and one meh. The terrain here will be cheaper than on its own, and for really wanting that and Guard, it may be better to get the box and save than separately since the Marine sprues are useless.

It’s funny because I was disappointed in the Phobos Strike Team from all the promo material until I started building them. I kind of fell in love with the bits from the upgrade sprue and I had personally never built the Infiltrator/Incursor set and that’s honestly a great kit. I had a ton of fun building them.

For those wondering/unaware, you CAN take Reivers in a Phobos Kill Team, but they're not included in the box

I like that you told people not to compromise. If it doesn’t tick all your boxes, there’s other stuff!

Reivers actually are in the list of options. They're not included in the kill team box, but you can use them. The Reiver Sargent is my go-to leader.

New kill team is the best gw game currently supported!!!!

I use the lid to put my army in before a game and use that fantastic black box for scenery.

I always said the best fix for SM would be a white dwarf team. The WD teams have a habit of "pick several from this list"

Kill Team: Great game, and great for reps! You could develop some serious muscles (or a joint strain) just lifting that box!

You can actually bring Reivers in the Killteam but they are not in the box

Jay : says the words "Games Workshop" Auto subtitles : fuck this shit i'm out

It feels like that buiilding and fence belong with the old Sector Fronteris Terrain and that new bunker belongs with some nice trenchline and other terrain that's not itself vantaga points.

The old school traitor guardsman have reappeared in the new 40k Darktide videogame, I used to have those models from Forge World,kinda wish I never sold them now because I'd love them in Kill Team

Dude congrats on 100k subs amazing channel love the enthusiasm u have for our hobby keep smashing it brother

I really like the terrain, while it should not be seen as a complete board it adds a really nice variance to a pre-existing board with a vantage point that isn't as high as others, creating a kind of 3-stage height system. I hope I can find someone selling the terrain as I don't really care for the minis in this one

Dude your tan sand rant was so funny!!! Keep preaching, sir!

Why do we always get the scout marines in kill team box set. Or combat patrols and not primaris

the thing i wished they did was broke them into smaller fire teams to make it to where you could bring like 3 assault intercessors and 3 intercessors to kinda make list building more interesting. the game doesn't really need terminator units, or other such units like that for the matter. i just wish that the marines were a little more versatile in the picking fire teams part of kill team instead of it just being the roster building only. like i feel like the army that has that much versatility needs to reflect that a little better. the fact that phobos allows for 3 different types on the roster and the field is actually really nice, and shows marines really can work well off their versatility when allowed to do so. they aren't broke as a faction and can kinda keep up with the rest of the teams out there. just wishing the compendium was just as versatile.

I have been wondering what they will do with necrons, im not sure what kind of new minis they could give other than like immortals or deathmarks

I wouldn’t say that space marines got no KillTeam attention in recent years. I still see the pariah nexus box for sale in one of my local gaming stores(talk about lame terrain!). Ooh, that box has the rare gravis captain with master crafted bolt rifle!(must … not … impulse buy! 😱)

Since this doesn’t have enough terrain. Can I use more? Like add terrain in the middle? Sorry if this might be a stupid question. I’m new to table top WH40k.

Dude I’d kill for anything other than the sand boards. It got old real quick. Hopefully the next rotation that leaked as Spacehulk has better boards

I am new to kill team and Warhammer universe. I am able to buy moroch box for 102 EUR in my local store. I also still can buy Octarius for 105 EUR. I mean big bulky boxes with all the terrain etc. Do you think it is worth to grab both of them or is any of them better than another? I like commandos more though

Jay what's your favorite part of making RU-vid videos?

If you buy 1 set of Pegasus sandbag terrain to go with this terrain, you will have enough terrain to get you by.

hope u gonna make a battle report with that starship trooper game :p

Solid overview, thanks a lot. This mirrors my thoughts, and this box in particular suffers from what you called "if it doesn't click all your jams". I love the Traitors, I think the terrain is cool... and then there is the Marines. Those are just boring. So yeah, another pass for me I guess.

Kill Team is amazing…

I hope to see a whole box that I find worth buying. All I have is a box of Ork Kommandos. I need the books and other supplies needed to play though lol. Might end up being more expensive than buying the Octarius box huh?

Hello was interested in the squid mage from May but I only see the non activated form, will the activated form be coming back in stock? Or was it in shop for May then done for good?

The Phobos team should have the option to take Eliminators. I may proxy one in as the marksman but it's not a great fit.

Well SIR! I guess I shall take my refined palate for earth tones of coarse fine rock to another channel!!! (I tip my top hat and bow out gracefully.)

You actually can mix and match with Incursors, Infiltrators, and Reivers.

Here is my conundrum with kill team. The "old" kill team was amazing for building fluffy interesting lists while the gameplay was rather unfriendly to "lore". The new kill team seems to have great rules to represent different units in the game (havn't played myself but I watched some battle reports) but the list building is somewhat flat. They changed it with the kill team boxes and white dwarf articles (mostly those imo) to some degree and I hope more articles and rules for more mixed kill teams (like the genestealer cults one) will come out but right now I am still sad about my Black Templar crusader squat (first born) with scouts being unplayable.

By god I just want a deathwatch box kill team

40k Shades of tan sand

...Yeah how did they come to $210 again? Each team is like $50-$60 and their is 2 teams... you get a card board, terain and a thin book... How is this More expensive then octarus which was fairly priced if not even a good deal compaired to other TT wragames? Like what was GW thinking with that price?

I feel you MIGHT be being a tad unfair and disingenuous to those who were not happy with the marines in the first version. The compendium was indeed reeeeeally limited and also quite bad as a team. While other teams did have some mix and match options, space marines got… screwed. Deathwatch was initially the only one with options.

Kill team newbie here. I have the starter kill team box (krieg, Kommandos + a terrain covers). With this terrain, would it be enough to build a good battlefield? Cheers!

this box was totally worth it for me. It had 75% of the big sector fronteris terrain box including all the new pieces, 2 kill teams with one having the traitor command models from blackstone fortress that go for stupid prices on ebay and the new book for less than the standalone terrain box. I wanted to get the new fronteris terrain regardless and was contemplating to get the traitor command minis for ebay prices even so yes, totally worth it. To be fair, the terrain might not be ideal for kill team but simply for the savings this box is great

Squad-Killteam when?

Are you in the US or Canada? Because if the $200+ price tag was American, then... 😮

I´m not a big fan of the terrain kit in this box. Seems to have a lack of cover and very rigid. I would like an Octarius terrain kit but maybe a different theme of xenos or imperial city.

Not a fan of the teams tbh. Nice terrain though

models are always more fun than terrain

I'm not paying 350 for yet another space marine box.

I bought mines for £98....

#TanSandBeBland

Only hurts if you pay for it

Just to let you know, most competitive players have been loving the Phobos team and shocked how deep it is.

Well with tau u just get some pathfinders…..

Boring? Just make them Deathwatch Phobos marines.

I think Kill Team is missing a massive trick. What made the first Kill Team 21 set so appealing was the addition of affordable, plastic Krieg to Kill team and by extension, to 40K. As well as some much needed new Ork Commando models. They could have so easily made a box with just ordinary Cadians, but no. It was new, it was fresh, it was bringing something different. And then the game excelled with Nachmund. Aeldari Corsairs were not only new and fresh, but unlike Krieg, these were new models which were previously unavailable. It introduced something completely new and unique. And the new box is similar with Traitor Guard. But standard Chaos Space Marines were cool but not exciting in the Nachmund box. And I'd argue these Phobos are neither cool nor exciting. Same with the Tau Pathfinders in Chalnath. I wish both sides of the box were brand new models for either old, resin forge world, or never seen before units. Like when we know that the World Eaters are returning, they could have held off and released new Khorne Beserkers for a different box instead of old tired Chaos Marines. And instead of Phobos Space Marines, maybe they could have used a Forge World Horus Heresy unit, brought to GW in Plastic rather than resin. Something which ties into the new Horus Heresy release, gives us something for 40K AND Kill team AND Horus Heresy. Or if you want to go the Space Marine route but need something a bit more unique, Primaris Sanguinary Guards or Tyranic War Veterans (although they would have been an even more awesome team to stick in a box with some new Tyranids.) Or maybe, they could have had a more even match up and had Traitor Guard vs Imperial Guard Penal Legions, Which have been in the IG codex for years, but have never had a dedicated model. These would all be something uniquely new and exciting for Kill team, playable in 40K and more enticing than just releasing some standard Marines with an upgrade sprue. And taking Kill Team even further. Why is there not kill team rules for Gaunts Ghosts. It feels like Gaunts Ghosts would be a perfect kill team. How about tying in kill team to the videos games and having a Blood Raven Dawn of War inspired Kill team or a Space Marine kill team with Captain Titus. Kill Team could be awesome for bringing famous characters and teams from the Black Library or from other medias to the table top. They don't need to be in big boxsets, just release more single squad boxes for unique kill teams, like they did with all the big box teams after the release of the big boxes. And whilst we are on this subject of single team boxes dedicated to Kill Team. Why not make some boxes of Kill Teams for the Inquisition, or the Imperial Assassins. Again, units like this would be great. Tau & Kroot can make a kill team but they forgot about Vespids. What about a brand new sculpt for some plastic Vespids in some awesome dynamic poses. And rogue trader units. I'm amazed they are bringing Squats back, but I somewhat miss the dorky looking design. I'm happy with starting an army of the Leagues of Votaan but some original style Squats with their biker look released as a Kill Team would be awesome. And maybe bring back the Beastmen or the Zoats or some units I cannot remember the name of but they were like frog men. They don't need full armys to return like Squats, but certainly some Kill Team exclusive teams of Beastmen or Zoats would be awesome. And taking it one, even bigger step further. I would suggest they release a book, with a small spin off. No need for new models, just an expansion. Why do they not have a kill team game, in which you can field 5 Horus Heresy era Space Marines and a Primarch against other Primarchs/ 5 Space Marines. To keep it all fair, limit it to just the 18 Space Marine Legions and keep the rules for all the Primarchs balanced. It could be a great little side expansion game. No need to release box sets for it. The models are already out their. And I know they are on the expensive side, but it might encourage a few more people to pick up a Horus or Rogal Dorn model. And all they would have to do is release 1 expansion book. Kill Team can be so much more. And whilst it is great as it is, I just feel like having some real new and exciting models and bringing new stuff to the table top would make it even more exciting and awesome.

Awwww mom ! Tan sand again ! Yuck !

NO

biggest shame with the marines team is that they dont have access to eliminators.... those guys could fit the sniper archetype perfectly (and most importantly they are phobos team

Every time you say "tan sand" I keep expecting Dana Howl to pop up and say " nono it's called PALE sand" hahaha great video as always Jay

It really does seem like the Traitor Guard left the space marines in the “Tan Sand” little disappointing but there’s only so much you can do with them.

GW missed a huge opportunity to lure Kill Team players into trying big 40K, and 40K players into buying the Kill Team boxes, by mis-matching the tan sand. I'd have been more than happy if one side of each Kill Team board in a given year was 1/4 of a single, large, semi-generic 40K board, and each reverse side was some very different terrain, appropriate to the teams and the terrain in its particular box. To give us tan sand after tan sand, and *not* have it match up into a larger board wasn't even the kind of shady, exploitive stuff GW usually does. It was just a careless oversight, resulting in a lost opportunity. Sigh.

You can include Reivers in a Phobos kill team, you just can't build them from the kits supplied in this box. Their rules are in the Moroch book, but they don't get mentioned in the build instructions. Also traitor guard were in Blackstone Fortress so this is not their first outing since Forge World discontinued their range, but the second. The Blackstone Fortress models even got 40k rules but only as part of a Servants of the Abyss force, not as a dedicated traitor guard one.

210 Dollar?! I feel sorry for you Guys over there. I bought mine on Saturday and paid 136€ at my local Gamingstore. Even at the GW Store its "only" 160€ here.

Jay if you're reading the comments sometime could you make a video about the starship troopers game?

I might grab the Blooded when they come out separately, but if I wanted big, boxy terrain I would call upon the Adeptus Kleenexus.

Kill team always seemed like just a new way to charge more for fewer models. Over the last couple of years their price per model on boxed games has increased an unbelievable amount. Love the continuation of traitor guard though. Can't wait to add them to my display alongside my Blackstone fortress traitors

"Space marines not getting the game to evolve around the faction" A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

I really hope to see my best friend in spain soon and get him to the warhammer store in madrid Althou hes playing dmc so he has a fair point Also I think they shoud paint the phobos marines as raven guard raptors or even the retributors from astartes

Hi, I got the 40k starter recruit edition to see if the game(s) were something that I would like. I started putting the base paint on the marines and then just forgot about it. Do I need to paint them to play? That part kind of made me lose interest

One thing I did really like in the 2018 KT was that the books were for everyone, and they got you excited about trying a new faction. The problem with the books of course, was that they didn't properly mesh together (Commanders can't be used in Arena etc.). That aside though, Kill Team 2021 has the interesting factions initially wrapped up in expensive box sets. It's like... who _are_ these big boxes _for?_

Since when were Space Marines strong in current Kill Team? In my experience they are terrible...

Sounds like you’d like more tan sand boards

I love new Kill Team, the scale feels great.

I dare you to build and paint the intire box in 7 days

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only sand.

Cheers for the vid, now hurry up and do a vid of you painting traitor guards, pretty please

Games Workshop did have a sprue of bunker ruins that came with the original Killzone Kill Team: Sector Fronteris box from a few years ago. Unfortunately, it was one of those kits that was produced in China, so they may not have made a mold for those ruins back in the UK. Which is a shame because 3-4 sprues of that would have been way more useful than the landing pad.

I will never ever again play a compendium team against a team from the boxes... :D

Question. Currently all of the space marine kill teams that you can make using the compendium have 4-6 models but this team has 10, so are these marines half as strong? Or did they change all space marines to be weaker with new rules?

Ah yes the 40k points sytem like the unique no one else has 40k dice... That said on to my point the reason why most games have a points system is customiztion and flexablity which is why I have a points sytem in my Universal Wargame RPG... Which is oddly more like battle tech then 40k... I do use a dD6pool like 40k though, For Kill team it's importaint to be able to use any model in 40k so you can have a massive back log nnot the current drip feed and hope your favoite models get added... Like can you use Space marine supperessers/ the hundred speical luetents in Kill team 2? But I do agree on the rule should be differnt for the scale but I Woukd like to take any 40k model and use it on this scale.

"One of them is very interesting... and the other one is space marines". That's my usual sentiment with GW.

I'm more upset it's phobos marines, it would've been much more interesting if it was a deathwatch killteam But what I was REALLY hoping for was a Legion of the damned killteam Still waiting for both a rogue trader and an Inquisitor killteam Let's hope it's better than these marines...

Wait, you can’t bring Old School Marines? What is this frelling dren?

I really want the traitor guard to add to my Blackstone Fortress rabble.

You mentioned @9:50 how if this was your first entry into Kill Team, you're kinda stuck. Indeed this box was my first foray into KILL TEAM. Not only am I 'kind of stuck' but the game is unplayable, since you need the core rules to play. It doesn't seem to mention that fact ANYWHERE on the box. I guess you're just supposed to know that this is only an expansion, and you need rules, dice, and counters. Of course all the models and components are fantastic GW quality, like always, but I was a bit bummed on reading the MOROCH book that I'll need the 'Core rules' to play the game.

>Puts people on blast for bitching about the lack of variety for Space Marines in Killteam 2 >Proceeds to bitch about the lack of variety for Space Marines in Killteam 2 I like your content, but this was stupid. I'm obviously not the arbiter of knowledge for the GW community, but after everyone got over the way squads were constructed, the main complaint I've read about Space Marines in KT2 is that they have like, five squads that are basically one unique guy and five clones (if the Intercessors, Assault Intercessors, Reivers, Infiltrators, and Incursors all have five generic operatives, why can't you mix and match squad members?). As you noted, this box does nothing to remedy that and, to add insult to injury, chose the least popular Primaris models that have already oversaturated the Start Collecting and Combat Patrol Space Marines boxes. I honestly hate Phobos. I don't like their tacticool look, their lower legs make no sense, and the fact that they're more lightly armored yet have the same armor save as fully armored Space Marines is silly. If they were, say, the Primaris replacement for Scout Marines, then sure. But it just feels like another "let's make more bespoke shit so customers need to spend more" move by GW.

Not even looking at the rest of the video after your intro. *NOTHING* directly from GW is worth the price. From over pricing and ruining content creators. *NOTHING* directly from GW is worth buying

Honestly I’m ok with space marines not being an A tier army, it would feel mean spirited if they were always amazing. The only thing I want is to just fold the assault intercessors with the normal ones. Just so there is some flexibility, I didn’t think they needed a 6th model.

Watching this after purchasing the box... As my first Kill Team experience. Thankfully I have a Resin Printer, so I'll just print some extra terrain. But it still stings a bit.

Yeah I'm kind of over buying new GW models. Walked in to lgs to pick up box of hh marines "oh that's maybe coming out in another month, but you can buy this big box!" ... 😐🤨

Noob question: are datacards included in the individual kill team boxes? (E.G. Like if I had the core rules and picked up the Adepta Sororitas Novatiates, would I have all the rules needed to run that killteam?

I don’t like the way the lists are built now. I like the old system. I have played new edition about ten times. It’s confusing to a 40K player. The old system in my opinion prepares someone to play 40K.

So I bought a big ol mierce miniatures demon and I was feeling all cool. Then I remembered, I can't paint. So yea if you could go ahead and start a khorne daemon army and make paint videos that would be great. Thank you

Cant bring Terminators , but custodes exist. And you should be happy you spent money on an army which became illegal.