Kincaid's Affair - Law & Order 

Been a while since I saw this episode but I'm pretty sure there were deeper morals than this.

Exactly! And I agree with her she should be able to feel like some part of her private life can stay that way xxx

How about, I slept with him and now I need to be removed. Not take me off the case, without any information.

No, just "i should be off the case" isn't good enough, you have to give reason as to why. She alone screwed this up and it's only on her. How about after he refused to take her off the case even after she said she should while giving weak reasons as to why and it being clear that he wasn't going to take her off the case, she comes out and says why. Instead she said nothing, let this go on and then essentially takes herself off the case anyways, but it's too late because her private life is going to come out in the end anyways. This was a clear case of sticking your head in the ground and hoping the bad thing passes.

She should have clarified the reason, saying there are private motives. It her mistake, and her only even if it is an understandable one.

Adam could see the down side of his grandsons birthday cake " if he get's burned by the candles, the caterer gets sued, the media will have a field day...take the deal!"

Totally agree on Schiff being favorite DA. I love the episodes that gave him more screen time. Excellent character and excellent actor.

"Media gets ahold of this... this is beautiful, absolutely exquisite... how the hell do we keep a lid on this ..." his delivery here soooo on point!

I was hoping someone would comment on Schiff's deadpan reaction.

Schiff is the "seen all, done all, lived all" type. Nothing can surprise him. After getting impossible missions done for a long time, it is what it is (Steven Hill was Dan Briggs in the Mission: Impossible tv series)

“You wore the same robe I do. You know the drill. Now if you want to dance, you can come back and dance at a trial. So let’s hear it. All of it”

That is crazy...must be 20 years but I remember that too. Speaks to what a powerful scene to leave that impression on us

Stone (Moriarty) was great.

😂

Very few could take the away the coldness of Stone. It was close to inhumane how cold he was

"And not with me?! Because I'm so unlikeable and unf%#kable!?"

@@steveconn actually that's how I felt after watching this scene, I mean, Stone must be thinking: affair with that old wrinkly guy but not with ME?

And Schiff, "well that's just dandy."

@@bananacathammock there's nothing that can shock him anymore 😂

Kincaid and Stone are in an argument over very serious and personal things while Schiff is contemplating the coming nightmare he’s going to have to deal with. It’s such a well juxtaposed scenario.

@@bananacathammock I think I read somewhere that Steven Hill who plays Schiff was known to voice his opinion about his character's lines and had a certain degree of influence, I just have a feeling he wrote that one lol. In my opinion he was one of the very best actors in the whole law and order franchise. I always loved episodes that gave him a little more screen time. Brilliant actor.

@@sly4u247 " this is beautiful, absolutely exquisite" there's a picture of Adam Schiff beside the word "Sarcasm" in the dictionary...

Kincaid probably knew that. The whole thing is a ritual. She offers her neck. He declines to cut it. They both know he could. They both know he won't. The gesture is appreciated nonetheless.

4-10 are the best seasons

Where did you get those seasons. I can't find them?

@@marilynbarriger7726 my sister bought them I don’t know where she got them as they were a birthday present

Love Adam Schiff!

That's true. Water against a fiberglass hull and water against a wood hull sounds entirely different.

@@larrykeenan598 it is a little bit virgin though

@@weavercs4014 Virgin?

Water temp between 60-68 Farenheit. Saltwater, but after a rain. Based on the rhythm of the laps, it was shortly before lunchtime.

@@devilmcteague1308 Nope. At 3:30 in the clip, Lenny identifies the time by six bells (3:00pm, by the naval clock).

I found that so funny! He's just so accepting of it and so non-judgemental; just focused on how to keep this hidden from the press 😂 so cool x

I like her and Olivia benson from law and order Svu and I like van Buren from the original law and order

Same

Claire was my favorite ADA. She seemed to be the most real.

I liked Kincaid too. A lot. A whole lot. A heckuva whole lot. Lots and lots.

Abbie Carmichael was the last good one.

@@Hellraiser0601 I hated Abby. I think she was the worst Ada

I disagree. The best years were season 5-10. Once West left the show (Adam Shiff) It changed. The cases started getting more political. The decline really started season 13 when Lewin resigned from DA.

@@mazengwe28 I loved those seasons too. I didn't watch seasons 12-20 because I'd already moved abroad, but I've no doubt they were weaker than 1-10. So in a way I do agree with you in that the best seasons came in the beginning of the show's run.

@@dzanier The main reason I know I like seasons 5-10 better than 4, is because I have been recently doing an episode to episode rating. I watch the 1st episode of the 4-10 then the second then the third and so on. I take note of the episodes I find exceptional. And seasons 6,7,&8 have had the most exceptional cases out of the rest.

You realize that Chris Noth was part of the very first pair of detective partners on the show, right? He was considered a pretty major heartthrob. Now George Dzundsa played his partner, much more of a "regular guy" type look (he's played cops a few times in his career), but it's not like there's an absolute either way.

@@kevinw712 He played the role very well.

Benjamin Bratt (Detective Curtis) was a lady's man also.

Dumbest show ever

Made 4 morons

Seriously, read between the lines Stone.

Kincaid's fault for not just saying what the issue was. Stone asked her point blank and she played it off like it was nothing. He isn't a damn mind reader.

not really? stone respected kincaid. he didn't think she was like some corporate sleaze who slept around to improve her position. personally i didn't think she was the type, so im not surprised stone didn't either.

That's often the case. You have a professional relationship and keep it that way. Then you find out years later she was like a door knob. Everyone had a turn.

@@robertthomas5906 So was the he.

😂😂😂😂😂

This is beautiful, absolutely exquisite

Lol

Take this as you will, but Jack McCoy has a widely known history of sleeping with female colleagues, including most notoriously Claire herself.

@@Nonaggress yes. If Mccoy had been in this episode I think it would have been a lot different.

Stone was the best. I think Moriarty got blown out because he called Janet Reno a Nazi. Early example of cancel culture I guess.

@@CarDietrich Janet Reno appears to have been not so bright.

@@maxalberts2003 She never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

Michael Moriarty and Sam Waterston made the movie The Glass Menagarie together with Katherine Hepburn in the 1970's

Moriarity had a manic episode and his wife had to be called to take him to the hospital. He had to be let go since his mental health had declined and despite his statements about Janet Reno going after him (which wasn’t true) he couldn’t handle work.

Well that's something that happened throughout the entire run of the show.

I'm so glad someone else saw that too 🤣

Harold The BRO! they gotta start somewhere!

@@26bLaw & Order has led the way for some of the greatest actors and actresses. I didn't recognize Jane Kaczmarek.

Yup!

@@galaxyreelent In one S2 episode the guest star was the late great Eli Wallach.

Those giant 90s hats and hairdos.

I'm pretty sure you can. You just have to pay for it. Go to Hulu or Netflix, probably most of the episodes are there.

James Amick it’s been off of Netflix for quite a while now, I don’t know about Hulu or anywhere else though.

There's also the we tv app you can download that and I'm sure most episodes would be there since the show airs on that channel.

Along with any show that also airs on we tv like criminal intent or csi ext.

Google says Law & Order is available with a subscription through Sling TV, fuboTV, and Philo (I've never heard of any of those), and available for $1.99 per episode through RU-vid and Amazon Prime.

Cute yes, but Angie Harmon was hottest.

She was lovely and naturally elegant but more than just a pretty face

Jamie Ross was hawt.

Even though she came later and part of SVU, the most smokin’ ADA was Rubirosa. Legs that went on for days, a body that won’t quit and a beautiful face.

Very true lol

They're still felons, the only difference now is they've became teachers :)

@@LakeHowellDigitalVideo what?

Next time you try to be condescending maybe try and use the correct words/spelling. This is coming from a future English teacher with a hand tattoo.

@@LakeHowellDigitalVideo wat

Oh! That creep from S1.

Nicholas Maude yep. the one who molested and abused his daughter (and his wife too)

phan2187 - holland what No he didn’t molest her and he only had the wife abuse her.

@@matthewforsyth284 Sadly he did. They didn't linger on it too much but they did establish it happened.

Matthew Forsyth huh. i was sure he molested her. i must be combining episodes 😂

That would be Jane Kazmerak(if I have her name right).

They'll put the judge in a segregated area of the prison. Just as they do other former law enforcement officers who are convicted of crimes...

@@Deborahtunes they don't put cops, judges or DAs in general population.

@@podsmpsg1 ~ I know. As I mentioned in my previous comment, these people are put in a segregated area/unit. My ex-husband use to be a corrections officer in two maximum security prisons, and a supermax prison. There was a former police officer in the seg. unit who was convicted of murdering his mistress...

@Michael Moretti Judges and Cops in prison is like chum in the shark tank.

And the only thing they hate more than corrupt cops and judges are pedophiles and child abusers!

Marsha Lois Camille Philpotts And didn't Stone intentionally have Kincaid lead the questioning during the trial? (I grieve for my faulty memory)

Marsha Lois Camille Philpotts Didn’t she also have an affair with Jack McCoy?

@@The00Lisa00 NOT an affair. She and Jack McCoy were dating.

And they say WOMEN are emotional...........

@@The00Lisa00 Yeah, she was going out with McCoy until her untimely death in S6 in a car accident (She was hit by a drunk-driver).

You do not need to. We TV has them on all the time.

@@le_1983 “had” them, they don’t air at the moment anymore

I’ve got first 5 & they’re addictive

Sundance channel has all day episodes constantly and marathons of the entire series.

WE also shows episodes and so does BBCAmerica.

Also a not so subtle (in retrospect) set-up for her getting into a relationship with Jack.

And god she's beautiful...sigh.

unfortunately from where he sits both are hopelessly intertwined. So he plays the best hand possible.

​​@@rao8559hopelessly intertwined. So true.

Is it at 6, 21 "Pro Se"? 😂

@@electroskates2434 That's the one.

"take a plea"

rafsolo What lab?

@@seanwebb605 the audio and visual analysis lab

rafsolo That’s not a lab. Just an old video room. They didn’t even show any of the normal Qi equipment.

Idk what this means

She was great in Crossing Jordan.

The fact that she has a twin was even better

@@smoothknyte Heh! I'd forgot that she had an identical twin sister.

She filled in for Jill for some of the courtroom scenes in the episode "Corpus delicti" because Jill was out of town filming the scenes for a crossover with Homicide life on the street. She had no lines But if you watch the courtroom scenes carefully you can see that it isnt Jill sitting there.

Sounds like to me too.

Thought so too but it’s a random Black actor with similar “affect”

@Marques Johnson Yes, that guy is David Groh--hard to believe he also played Rhoda Morgenstern's husband on The Mary Tyler Moore show. He must be a good actor if he can make you both hate and love him, lol.... 😉

@@bwenluck9812 I didn't know he was on Mary Tyler moore I just saw him on law and order and I thought he's good because I really hated him LOL

Reed Reed I wish I was her boss 😜

@baggabliss Except that she was also often shown to be quite capable at her job. Sure I wouldn't deny it could be questionable behavior, especially if there was more than one instance, but in each case it was two consenting adults. She could still have deserved to be in the spot that she was based on her legal talent.

Was she? She made it very clear when they met she knew Jack's history and didn't want a piece of it.

@@kevinw712 Joan Crawford famously f###ed her way to stardom and she was a great actress too. The two aren't mutually exclusive and I completely agree that she could have been there for both reasons. (It's funny that we talk about these characters as if they were real lol but it's the great acting that gets me hooked in 😂) Hope everyone here is having a great weekend 💙🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿💙

It was alluded to in season 6.

Sean Webb omfg. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥

they give shows all sorts of gear. most of the times its free avertising for the manafacturer of siad gear.

@@nathandean1687 Shake my head. Broadcast video/audio manufacturing companies don't give network TV show gear as product placement advertising. It's not a consumer product. It is specialized. You don't market to TV broadcast facilities on Law & Order. Especially if the actors use the gear incorrectly in the scene.

Congrats you’re the one.

@@oldmanballer5088 Society punishes anyone who knows anything.

No

Yup they did. It was hinted throughout episodes in season 5 & 6 and confirmed in season 9

​@@JIF882they did

@@Maya_k I don't think so.

David Groh. Yes.

He's a much older man and she got a 'glowing recommendation' that helped her get her job in DA's office. She was hoping he wasn't involved, that way people wouldn't think of her as someone who sleeps her way to promotions and jobs. She wasn't thinking like a lawyer, but as person.

John Smith: But she DID sleep her way to the top. Truth hurts.

@@janjr165 She's an assistant DA, she's nowhere near the top. At best, she's somewhere near the middle of the ladder. Also, sleeping with the Judge didn't get her job outright, we 're never told this within the context of the show. Schiff and Stone both were unaware of her having clerked for him, ergo they certainly didn't believe or were under the impression she was only there because of his recommendation. Also, her character was never suggested, prior to or after this episode, to be flirtatious or sexually provocative/suggestive towards other male characters in the DA's office. Her relationship later with McCoy actually reflected poorly in HIS reputation as he had a history of getting involved with his female co-workers. At the end of the day, regardless of gender, sexuality etc, people are always apprehensive about appearances in the work place. I used to be a prosecutor and have now been a cop for 6 years, having worked for 2 different forces. I have seen people get friendly with supervisors/superiors and when they get 'well done' or a consideration for a post, lots of people start talking about favouritism. I have personally seen atrocious examples of favouritism and been the victim of it multiple times, so it really annoys me to see everything lumped in together and people with imagined grievances or just plain jealousy feel like they have suffered an injustice like I have.

She answered that question. "I hoped that there was SOME part of my personal life that I could keep personal!"

That was a really bone-headed move on her part. She didn't even have to reveal the affair. All she had to do was hint at it, say "There was an altercation between the judge and I. Any potential legal proceeding against him could be tainted by my involvement in the case. That's all I can say."

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