You didn't experience the full Shingo maining experience. He hits like a truck to make up for the goofiness... If you land the combos the chance of getting critical hits (+25% damage) is huge!
K' is honestly one of the biggest reasons I got into KOF. The moment I saw him do some Albert Wesker type shit with his Chain Drive was the moment I was sold on this series
I have watched the stream and Max thinks KOF 2001 plays a bit better than 99 and 2000 but he still didn't enjoy the NESTS Saga games. Expect 2002 because it plays similar to KOF 98 (AKA the 3vs3 format)
@@BakiX I agree. It's freaking weird. The only reason why Max couldn't get used to 99 and 2000 was becase it's mechanics weren't as intuitive as the older games, if he had learned how to use his meter, and the other mechanics he'd have had a better time with the games. 2001 simply feels flawed.
'99 was the first KOF i ever purchased. Saw it in a bargain bin or something for like $19 and figured at that price even if i didn't like it i would still probably get my money's worth. Prior to it i'd only played street fighters and KI and 3d fighters, foolishly believing snk games to be poor imitators. I ended up LOVING it and played it a ton. Loved SNK ever since.
My first KOF too! My Pakistani uncle, influenced by the huge FGC culture there, wanted to share that world with 4 year old me and got the PS1 version. I played the hell out of this game, and remember being super enchanted by Kyo and his supers. Would ask my uncle countless times to do the inputs for me, or when he wasn't there would end up getting blisters just mashing to try to get any cool moves out
Exactly the same here. Thats when i realized i liked KOF and SNK characters more than Capcom. To me the characters were always cooler because lots of characters had charge grab and qourter circle moves ans always changed. Not just the same boring 3 4 moves Capcom characters had.
weird. I usually have similar tastes to max, but I love 99. the roll mechanics and max modes that encourage you to keep on the offensive, the plot going sci-fi, the best version of kyo and the (admittedly undercooked) introduction of strikers. so much to love about this game
Max is not really going after the game. He played 99 and didn't give the clones a chance? Nor did the play Kyo and Iori. Kyo in 99 was awesome. ANd if you notice, he finds K DP playing KOF 2000. Like, he finished 99 and never tried his DP. He is not really playing, just rushing to finish it. I noticed that he really struggle in 94 and 95, where he played normal level, (level 4) After that, he played 96 at level 1. He is going for the easiest and fastest win.
@@BillyKamp TBF he has stated that he's not a hardcore KOF player and that some of the mechanics are not his cup of tea; the reason for the lower difficulty is because '94 Rugal took almost 3½ hours to beat (almost became a Boss Rage) and since it's a legacy he's just going through the games and not going all in.
@@chestercastaneda4920 He has too? Who is pointing the gun to his head? ANd like, was the 15 announced one week ago? No? Oh right. He did better jobs with other games. In this one he is hardly playing.
I kinda feel the big reason is hard for you to get nto 99 and '00 is purely on the new characters that are the canon win team. It's obvious you're no comfortable with them, and since you are not looking up their moves and combos NOR practice with them a bit before going full, of course the mechanics of the game will feel weird or outright bad to you It doesn't help that you're still trying to play the game in the same way as a SF game tho when KOF is not the same style
Yeah totally agree. I dont think he knows the mechanics that well. It kinda shows in the gameplay. Cuz in kof idk about everyone else but i use roll a lot and cd to break guard. And with max it seems that he dosnt know how to play kof kinda?
Perhaps the reason lies in the fact that Max only bothers with SFA-based CvS2, and even then he neglects the SNK-based cast & grooves. It’s genuinely painful to watch the doods play SNK characters and admit “I don’t know their supers!” when you grew up with KOF.
He’s clearly not playing the game to get better or to get deeper into the mechanic. All these vids is all to bring hype for the release of KOF15. I’m not sure why ppl expect otherwise. This is all for his channel
Glad Max went through these games, I personally loved the Nests Saga for the introduction of some fan favourites like K', Vanessa, Ramon, Kula, Angel etc., the story I actually liked the human villian approach and whilst I agree '99 didn't feel as responsive as '97-98, imo it improved a lot by '00. Plus the absurdity you could get with Strikers to get TODs.
Yeah Shingo was uncoordinated because he was pretty much self taught the whole time and only got a wink of training for as much as Kyo cared to train him. Then Saisyu (Kyo's father) picked him up after the NESTS saga and trained Shingo himself. From then on Shingo became a better fighter overall and more coordinated 2003 and onwards.
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN No... Shingo literally gets better each new game, you can even see it in his moves. By KoF XI he no longer drops his attacks, failing only on the his new super where he gets cocky that he mastered all moves and tries to add extra hits on his Special move, and because of that he fails and falls on top of the enemy. Shingo is literally a talented new fighter who is only now learning how to fight, because he never had formal training in any martial art style. Dan is someone who is already trained and good enough to fight professionally, but he has no talent on Ki and Hadou manipulation so he reached a wall in his development as a fighter that he is struggling to overcome. They are both very different characters. Shingo could've easily become a Terry Bogard, or a Ryo Sakazaki if he wasn't just a student who got into the tournament by copying moves he saw Kyo execute, and had a Tung Fu Rue or Takuma to properly train him from the very beginning. Dan is someone who had a proper master but he still fails, because his Ki is lacking.
@@bloody4558 exactly, people who doesn't know KOF keep comparing Shingo to Dan but really they should compare Shingo to Sakura. Both self taught fighters to become like the people they admire the most, although for Shingo he can't use fire as that's a Kusanagi blood thing but he still gets trained in the Kusanagi ways by Saisyu as he still admires Kyo and eventually wants to be a worthy rival to him.
Man I have to disagree on ‘99 feeling bad and “weird” to play. It never felt that way to me. ‘99 is a pretty solid entry in the series, I’ve always liked it. It has really good music, the striker system is pretty cool and adds some extra flavor, and the gameplay is just as tight and solid as any other game in the series. The one complaint I did always have was the weird change to rolling tho. But saying it feels worse than ‘94 is completely outrageous to me. Lol
He doesn't know how to play it and call it bad and no bueno? come on,it's sad that he does super awesome massive damaging combos in Ultimate Marvel 3 but he cannot do combos in a standard kof.Did you know that some of them get salty when i said that in their channel like they get offended? i mean what? i didn't said that they are bad persons i only said that they play badass in umvc3 but they cannot do combos in kof 2002um,one of them said something like:Really Helltio? really? and many of the chat were like he's going to get banned from your channel,i mean,WHAT? they get offended when they say they play bad like if we say something bad to them? haha.I really love their videos but don't say they play bad because you can get banned for saying that haha.
Max... the reason why the game feels weird is that you don't even know the character's moves. I mean c'mon you are only discovering K's DP in the middle of playing 2000.
Wish he had unlocked the extra battle against Kyo/Iori in 99, besides that i disagree, 99 its a pretty solid entry, the series needed serious changes after Orochi saga, New characters, new story bug changes in gameplay but still keeps KOF's dna
I have 99 in my neo geo arcade stick pro and I like to play it but it has emulated issues like lag/no input but the stick overall is my go to for fighting games along with a converter
The thing about Max is that he wants to play KOF as if it were Street Fighter, and it seems more clear when he said 94 felt better than 99 since 94 and 95 are the most closest to SF gameplay imo, to me i disliked those entries since the pace was slower and most characters had awkward motions on special moves, like Ryo having a charged move on his now tatsu-like motion
As a Mexican (we do love our KoF over here), and a person who grew playing this games, it terrifies AND amuse me watching you try to understand and play this games that i have played over the years, for me is natural and love them, for you is weird, love it. Also, Yes, I find the whole Nest Saga dope, when i was a kid it was even cooler, now is stupid but still nostalgic dope.
Respeto a Max pero eso no quiere decir que estoy de acuerdo con su opinion. La saga NESTS fue buena, no a la par con la Saga Orochi pero igual estuvo entretenido. Max fue muy duro y algo injusto con KOF 99-2001
I think the weirdness can be attributed to the major transitions going on in the company. Morale was low, they just got bought by a Pachinko company in January 2000, and I think the series suffered as a result. Since you're playing the arcade versions, I think a lot of the weirdness got ironed out in the home releases too. On the flip side, the NESTS era was the same time that CVS and CVS2 came out. They finally get their shit together around KOF 01 and the almighty KOF '02 but the NESTS saga ends in '01. At least we got Norio MOTHERFUCKING Wakamoto as Igniz in '01. If you want a villain voice, hire Wakamoto.
Max man, you broke my heart, KoF 99 is my fav KoF ever and one of my fav games ever, but it's not because of mechanics, that's the LAST thing. This game has a major role in my life for so many reasons...that doesn't make it a good game tho :( EDIT: wow I love it that so many people in the comments love 99, 2000 and K'. K' is one of my favorite things in the world, not just a fav character of all time, but just...from anything. 23 years later after 99 and I'm still crazy with all my heart for this character. Did any of you know he's a combo between two characters from a very unknown fighting game called The Fallen Angels? The character artist responsible, Shin'ichi Morioka, later joined SNK and made K'.
I know how it feels. I love iori. He has a major role almost in every kof lore. Even though that that doesn't make him protagonist :( any newbie creator can make him a joke. Edit: do you know, being one of the 3 secret treasure makes him a Peacekeeper and a silent Guardian ?
I knew of KoF from Flash fan games of all things. Most popular ones ripped sprites from the NEST saga games so my first exposure to the franchise were K', Kula and the likes. Once I knew more about the series Iori, Leona and King ended up being my favourites, but I'll always appreciate NEST for introducing me to this series.
The fact that you don't know how to play those characters doesn't mean that the gameplay is weird, just they play diferent from Kyo, Beni and Goro. The assist mechanic was really fun, just you need to know how to use optimally those. And the story of nest saga is less loved just because the Orochi saga fits more the japanesse culture. just watching the cinematics isn't enough to understand tbh lol. But for me that I start playing from 99, y really love the nest saga, just people need to know better these games
I agree gameplay wise I wouldn't say it feels worse than '94, especially with '00 but I disagree that Orochi Saga being linked with Japanese culture being the only reason its better. The story just felt liked it flowed better with the staggered introduction of Orochi and the Hakesshu whilst NESTS felt like it backpeddled a bit with Clone Zero and Ignitz's motives not being as strong as Orochi.
How long did it take you to appreciate the gameplay in 99? Not like or dislike, love/hate at first sight can happen, I'm talking about having a good grasp of all the universal mechanics and feeling comfortable playing at least three members of the cast. I reckon it took you more than just finishing arcade mode once.
The english translation was under Google translate level, in both 99 n 2000 which may explain how unappreciated it was, especially for English native speakers i guess. The characters win quotes were horrible n the story was hard to read n understand.
That's fast but even so it's more time than Max had and it sounds like you already were a KOF regular by that point. Max is a Capcom fanboy that had never finished a single SNK fighting game arcade mode in his life before SVC 1 and only did it for the Akuma legacy.
The NESTS saga is probably one of the most gratuitous in terms of "We _have_ to run this fighting game tournament in order to take over the world" storylines, but man did it introduce some cool characters. K' and Kula are easily in my Top 5 KoF characters.
K' 's character and personality sold me on the series in general. Teleporting dude in a leather jacket with white hair, 2003 kid me was fascinated. Love this guy so much
Ah yes, KOF 99 K' with his super powerful Chain Drive when he is in low health. Good memories. Barely overpowers the trauma of Krizalid tornadoes and axe kicks.
@@axelprino Yeah and I mean it makes sense, but like out of context like in 2002 UM seeing him next to all these other dudes who actually look intimidating is hilarious
@@ShinyGBZ true, it doesn't mesh at all with the other bosses in the series, that's probably why original Zero has the whole white hair thing going on.
Ahh KOF 2000. Where Takuma reverts a city level destroying beam like the mad lad he is. For us it was an awesome display of power. For him it was basically flex day.
While I don't really like the strikers system I love the nests saga for the new characters and general vibe it has, K' still is my main in KoF. Also 2000's music is some of the best in the whole franchise.
I grew up with '99 specifically, love it to death. And yet Max's opinion really doesn't hurt me personally at all lol I see a lot of ppl like me in the comments, who grew up with 99 and 00 and feel really upset that Max doesn't feel the same. Yeah, it'd be cool if he did, and it'd be cool if he stopped for a bit to practice combos with the canon teams, but at the end of the day this is a casual retrospective series. Not a "Watch this veteran 2 decade KOF master in his journey through the series." With so many games in the franchise, and with '99 marking a shift in the way the games handled, it's only natural some are gonna hit the right notes and others not. ... Although the comment about '94 feeling better *was* pretty rough not gonna lie lol
Max trying to skip the how to play section: "DON'T EXPLAIN, STOP EXPLAINING!" Also Max while playing in stage 1: "B and C? "Let's try B and C." See that, kids? If only you never skip the how to play sections, you'd already know how to use Strikers.
These backgrounds are GOD TIER! Too bad people overlook these kofs for bad gameplay and only plays 98, but the backgrounds are pure art, it's insane that they made these games per year.
I was really looking forward to when you would enter the nests saga, this is the saga who got me into Kof so I’m really happy it’s time Edit: Also I can understand your confusion with the gameplay because the nests saga really is different from what came before, but, I can assure that if you give it a little time to learn you can see that the game has it charm (don’t get me wrong it isn’t perfect but it can still be fun)
The classic Kof 99 is one of my favorite aside from kof 2002 and 2013, the assist part is something new in 99 that some classic kof games doesn't have, like it 👍
Maybe that's the reason why assist were bad in terms of freeze you wen they came out or when you called them,maybe they were like a test and then in 2000 they were badass since you can call them whenever you want even if your ass is in the air haha.
@@helltioeverygames I agree with you. 2001 also improved the Strykers and gameplay. Making your characters more or less powerful depending of how many strykers you choose was a great idea! Plus making a long combo with 3 Strykers was cool! It is a shame that KOF 2002 returned to the 3vs3 format and discarded the teams of four members and Strykers :(
Honest question, how did Benimaru end up on so many canonical winning teams? Like, even after the Orochi saga, he was in I think 4 more winning teams between now and XIV? Was he put in the team to keep a character people were familiar with the new faces? SNK, I need answers to a 20+ year old game!
It's nice that Benimaru has the most wins because characters like Kyo, Iori, K', etc. don't need them because the games center around them all the time anyway. Might as well give the accolade to somebody who might actually do something with it. My favourite was that one odd game where Team Ikari Warriors actually won the tournament. I can't stand game/manga canons revolving around tournaments where it's just predictable.
You didnt seem to try to want to actually figure Shingo out. Hes a super solid character. "Uncoordinated version of Dan"?? At times, i feel you are a bit biased if a character isnt "easy" or a "shoto type" character. I loved 99. 2000 introducing new characters was cool also.
99 Fun Fact Lore: Clones here work different from what you think cloning is Here, the NEST cartel kidnap people and infuse them with Kyo cells to change his appearance, turning normal people into replicas of Kyo Kusanagi. Here, K' is a modified clone of Kyo who have the Kusanagi flames, but the flames were so strong that, he have to use a glove to restrain the flames. K' was a kid when he was kidnapped by NEST and turn him into the best clone of Kyo there is. The only memory that he retains was a little girl calling him brother. In 99 K' and Maxima were send by NESTS cartel with the only memories that they need to win the KOF tournament for recolate data about the fighters. In the end of 99 we found that Krizalid is a direct clone of K' and that is reveal by Whip, who her real name is Seira and we found out than Whip is actually a modified clone of K' sister, who was also kidnapped in the process and use like a guinea pig for the first stages of cloning but the girl didn't survive the experimens. They use the dead girl to realize the first cloning process. Whip is created but with the memories of the little girl, she work for NESTS and work side by side with Krizalid thinking he was his brother, until she discovers the truth and betray the organization and join the Ikari Warriors and tell everything about NESTS.
I prefer Whip over Leona. I feel sorry for her. She is just a clone not the real Seirah. The NESTS Saga was dark... It shows the darkest side of humanity and that's why I like about the villains in that saga. They are humans They are not an ancient god and his cult, not demons, aliens etc. About the clones, it is weird how Krizalid was seen as the Ultimate Kyo Clone if he is actually a clone lf K' The term Kyo Clone not only refers to the actual Kyo Clones (Kyo-1, Kyo-2 and Kusanagi) but also as people who got infused with Kyo's DNA like K' and K9999
First time I played 99 I felt like the game was sluggish and weird especially after the nervous 98 but it grew on me quickly. It is a more slow paced game and need more anticipation rather than quick reflexes, I love it, it felt different at least.
Oddly NeoBlood EX 1 on the GBA was my first game in the series for me, but it’s super easy how much aspects and content were straight ripped from ‘99 into that game… everything from the maps, UI, character sprites/art.
Max gotta watch some combo videos before playing the games if he wants to have an idea of what he can do, going in blind with characters he's not used to control is gonna be a learning curve IMO. These are not the usual shotos or charge characters everyone can figure out in a few minutes, Maxima is a slow hybrid of a grappler with rekkas and a lot of moves with armor for example. He's gonna play KOF 2001 next and, to me personally that's the KOF with the best game feel ever. The gameplay is fluid and satisfying in that game. Protips K' in 2001: Jump & HK, HP, forward LP opens up so many combos. Also when you do the Shoryuken motion with HP, you can add forward + any kick to add 1 more hit that slams the opponent to the ground, a great addition to K's moveset Maxima in 2001: Jump & HK, HP, then do his rekkas is an easy combo that can be cancelled into his LV2 as well, it should do between 30% (no cancel) to 80% damage (if cancelled into LV2)
Finally! I have found someone who likes KOF 2001 👍 I also like the game. In my opinion 2001 has the best version of the stryker system. It is underrated. I respect Max's opinion but that's doesn't mean I have to agree. Max should have spend more time with the new characters and the gameplays.
From what I read, Max has already played the games on stream and these videos are edits of said stream, so you might be a bit late with this information.
From what I read, Max has already played the games on stream and these videos are edits of said stream, so you might be a bit late with this information.
Chang menacing speedwalks scares me it's like you are going out for prom with your girl, but you need to overcome against her overprotective father. One slip and...: "I just wanna talk to him" "I just wanna talk to him" "I just wanna talk to him" "I just wanna talk to him" "I just wanna shoot him" "I just wanna talk to him"
Do people like the NESTS saga? Yes, people do. If nothing, it’s rare to see a person of dark skin being the face of a major fighting game franchise, even today.
Isn't he technically known as the strongest non-powered human in the series?
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@@Lunatic89097 He's surely a prodigy, learning Kyo's moves just by watching them and writing them on a notebook, and while certainly strong, I think pound for pound the strongest human (and it's even his canonical nickname) is Ramón.
I just love the fact that there is a stage in KOF2000 where you are doing mortal combat while families look a Manitees at Sea World. My life is now complete
I remember that in kof 99 some teams have alternative endings depending on who you beat krizalid with or was it because of the number of points? and you can also fight against kyo or iori after beating krizalid
If you reach and beat Krizalid with 400 or 480 points, you either fight Iori or Kyo respectively. Edit: Nevermind the actual required points are 200 for Iori and 280 for Kyo, I forgot.
20:41 I'm sorry, but I'm just losing it at "All you had to do was rub us out." and "You simp!" being back to back lines Fighting game writing is something else!
About to cry with this video, the NESTS Saga was my fav, i love the music, the Bosses and K' was for a kid on the early 2000's the coolest charachter ever dessigned... im glad you played it Max, i hope at least 2002 (my absolute fav) does something for you.
@@meganinten0078 well yeah, i mean yes, the gampelay has it's quirky moments and it's not like the NESTS Saga was the first fighting games i could actually play well, or as if the sprites (ESPECIALLY "totally-ot-Tetsuo"s) blew my childish mind, or that as a Mexican i got the best two chatacters ever to represent my country AND be Protagonists for the first time in the form of Ramon and Vanesa or... no, it's ok, im fine, it's fine... really, it's fine... I SAID IM FINE.
Also: THE BEST KING IN THE WHOLE SERIES IS IN 99... AND THE BEST KASUMI IS IN 00... AND THE BEST LEONA... AND HINAKO, THE BEST SUMO GIRL... AND JOE, THE BEST STRIKER... Damn, KOF 2K has a lot of THE BEST OF in the series...
The classic era of SNK went out in a blaze of glory with 2000. Man, the variety of assists were crazy fun and the overall soundtrack are one of the better ones (Ice Place is the only weak one and even then it added to the mystique that Kula had back then). Helps that Clone Zero is also one of the (relatively) easier bosses in the series. (Edit: I’ve seen the criticisms. Now wouldn’t it be funny if Ripley somehow got raised into playing SNK games instead?)
25:10 *Sigh...* No, Max. What actually happened in that scene was Whip telling them what Zero had revealed to her: She is K's older sister (a clone of her, at least), and that his memories weren't lying to him. So, they finally reunite and team up for the next game. I don't blame you for the weird interpretation though, as the scene does play kinda hokey...
I want to say I got 99 in a $15 triple pack with 2 bad games at Walmart. I loved this game so much, and it was the first time I saw a fighting game super, it blew my mind!
The most simple combos in KOF 99 and 2000 starts with HP or HK, and it's followed by forward and LP or LK. I guess every character has a combo with that, and you can mix with some other attacks, like an air attack to start the combo, and some ⬇↘➡ stuff, right after.
I played 99 back in high school and never noticed the guy in the background of the stage was chasing a dog around. I noticed he had a stick but thought he was beating a person up
Ah. The King of Fighters Clone Saga. Because it worked so well for Spider-Man. Was the NESTS games popular? Eh, some of the characters that came out of them were but, like with Spider-Man's, I think everyone was just relieved to be done with it by the end.
Man, this was kind of painful to watch. Why so much jumping around? Like I get it, Max doesn't like at least one of these, but c'mon, show the matches! Was this made for the TikTok crowd? Folks who can't watch things if there aren't cuts in the video every 10 seconds? Was the Terry Legacy this chopped up? I don't remember it being this chopped up.
He needs to stop playing the canon teams and just play the characters he likes. It shows that he doesn't like their gameplay. Also doesn't help that he's just jumping in without learning the characters.
@@BrianBrown-vd1vv he had fun with the canonical teams anyway. I wouldn't mind if he played with any actual team not an edit team because he could see actual endings.
@@SaikouShiva I know. Its funny. He doesnt like 99 because he is a capcom fanboy. I love 99 but even I know compared to some other kof games, the gameplay does feel a bit slower and clunky. I wouldn't say that 94 and 95 feel more better than 99 but I see where Max is coming from in some of his points.
The off thing you mention is simply the fact that many moves' timings were changed so the game could feel different, most of them were made a bit slower, others faster to conform a 'new' feel with the arrival of a new hero team, that and coupled with the fact that you knew very few special moves let alone how to execute them (and you didn't know how to use any strikers), made you feel weird but these are, at least from the viewpoint of (and the AST soundtrack is arguably the best of the KOF series) gameplay and mechanics, some of the most enjoyable (doesn't mean most competitive) KOF games. Me and a lot of people in my city spent countless hours battling in KOF 2000 to see who was the best and we had such quality times, yeah, dealing with infinites a lot but still having a lot of fun trying to extract the oil of these games and believe me there's a LOT of crude oil to extract in them. I am glad to have had the priviledge, to an extent, of living out intensely the year of the last KOF for many and the au revoir of the legendary SNK KOF staff. I have to admit that KOF 2000 has a pretty well elaborated atmosphere although not so much story, it's a game that feels very special to play versus other people, it has a special mystic, like 2002 and 98. I noticed that you were enjoying how lost the game made you feel hahahaha.
What's up with the funky music emulation? Stuck, shrill notes that aren't in the original games or emulated versions I've played. KOF '99 had the best stages of any KOF. Absolutely gorgeous pixel art. Amazing music too. It played differently, but not nearly as poorly as Max feels.
I hope you see this Max but all the cuts and jumps made throughout this video were not particularly fun to watch. Can't really get a feel for what's happening if you keep cutting matches to a several seconds. Your usual style works better.
i see a lot of people complaining about how Max played these games and while i agree with some, like why not just look up the move sets for the characters instead of relying on chat to tell you when half of what they say is wrong, but i think plenty of people are forgetting that he’s forcing himself to play cannon teams instead of characters he actually likes. if Max could play any character i’m sure he would come away with at least a little better impression of the games.
Sorry but that is not an excuse because he is complaining about the game systems and story not the characters specially because he already play with most of them on other kof
@@SoyElBrokas if he doesn’t like the story then he doesn’t like the story, that’s personal taste, if he doesn’t like the system’s of the game, that too is personal taste, i hated Street fighter 4’s system but i know many liked it more than five, but not being able to play characters you want to play is always going to leave a bitter taste in one’s mouth and max did specifically say he wished to get away from the 00’s saga because he doesn’t like playing as characters like k’
