Kings Indian attack takes MANY games to learn properly. All it does is delay opening traps. Many have repertoire against it, and will suffocate you if you think are just gonna throw your pawns (which it requires you to do in an accurate way)
That's a very good comment, Al! I completely forgot to mention the fact that white is avoiding all those tricks and opening traps that one can fall for in most of other openings. I agree that only playing many games (also annotating) can make you play this opening well, but isn't that the case with all other openings? Playing Ruy Lopez takes much more time, cause it is much wider with the ideas from both sides. Not to mention the Open Sicilian, or Queen's Gambit, Slav, Tarasch defence, etc. The London is similarly easy as this one, but it does require change of the typical plan in case black does the kingside fianchetto (King's indian defence or Grunfeld setup), while also there are many problems in how to get the proper London if black starts with 1...d5 and 2...c5. Overall, it seems simpler to go with the KIA. If you don't mind, how white gets squized or suffocated in KIA? I can see it happening only in case white never manages to push e2-e4, cause after e2-e4, f2-f4 shouldn't be a problem to accomplish. If there is a game of that kind, feel free to submit here. I would like to see it and maybe make another video of it 🤫
I've tried this opening before. To me it felt like an easy opening to get into but hard to master. The games I watched from Grandmasters all make it look so easy and logical. It was a different experience when I tried it myself ^^
Another idea. Instead of your approach in this video you could show lots of games played with the opening. A great example is the speed run using the King's Indian by Canadian GM Aman Hambleton where he created 12 videos, each about an hour long, starting at an 800 rating and working his way up to 2000. After watching these games I was easily able to play the KI both as white and black. 🤔
Thank you very much for the explanatory and educational information you provided for the opening of "King's Indian Attack". Also, it was excellent for you to show game theory through pawn structures.
Thanks! Great video. Both in explaining basics in the opening. From that tactics and strategy. And with pawn structure. Like that you ended it with a challenge, to push the viewer to find the solution themselves. And, Your usage of arrows. Your smooth ‘scene change’. No flickering, and not to many. Top notch.
@@BadBishopChessThank you again. This makes it even more impressive, you putting in so much work in each video episode. One suggestion to make them even better. I like the rhythm in them, how you talk. But when you do a ‘flick’, change of scene. These could be a bit longer. Like a breath in-between. Now it is to fast, especially if there are more ’flick’s’ in the video.
@@JustMe3.1415 Thanks! I was aware that something is wrong. Currently I am working on another video, and I am spending a lot of time on those moments you just mentioned. It will probably take couple of days until it is done and published.
Nice video but I would really have preferred it if you finished the game. Chess Vibes does this well: tells his audience to pause the video here if they want to solve the move themselves, gives it 3 second break, then carries on explaining.
Thank you for the suggestion! Up to this point I would be doing it that way (except in one video), but wanted here to try this (other) way. Glad to hear what looks better from the other perspective. Will try to do something about it next time. 🙂
if you dont want to put effort into it, sure its easier to get the answer right away. but if you want to get the answer anyway, there are always engines where you can input this position ^^
I really hope it is going to work well. If there is anything to ask, any problem or tricky situation after a game or two, don't hesitate to share. I'd like to help.
@@BadBishopChess Pleased to say that after I finally got to play as white it delivered first time Such a great start set up that then allows me to react to what they do The charm is that until go six you can ignore what they do I am going to make this my new single opening and get deeper into it
I think e4 d4 or c4 are better moves, but I get more points with the KIA. That means I just understand it better then my opponents. The Computer also thinks e4,d4 is better but more important is how you feel. I feel good with KIA. Strange is just that I don't feel good with KI with black.
I am learning my 8 yo son to play chess. Quite good results. He got 1st place in the tournament under 8 yo children. He plays London System. Maybe he should switch to this opening... hmm but he says that he likes closed positions :) On the other hand it doesnt hurt to learn this. The whole strategic concept is quite good. He would be safe first moves and not makling any blunders.
The King's Indian Attack is definitely an opening leaning towards closed type of middlegame, so your son may like it from that perspective. However, for young players, starting to play the game, it is recommended to play open positions and more tactical kind of chess, which KIA is not going to provide, nor the London. Both of these openings are good mainly for busy players with some (decent) chess experience. I'd say for someone with 1400 rating points and higher. If you'd play it with no chess knowledge, there wouldn't be any understanding of why you develop this way (same with the London), and especially what is supposed to be done in the middlegame (especially if the opponent deviates from the well-known paths). Overall I don't like to impose anything, especially opening-related. But if my kid would be to choose an opening system, I'd push towards 1.e4 (where there are still some possibilities to find some semi-closed positions to play, and such openings).
@@BadBishopChess Hi, Thank you for your answer. I forgot to mention that he finally reached 1500 on lichess rapid game 15+10. So maybe it would not be so bad idea besides he is still young? :)
I've been playing this for two weeks straight and every single opponent puts their white bishop on g4 by their 4th move, preventing the knight move back to the first row for the rook pawn push. Kicking their bishop away with the kingside pawns messes up the whole structure. This sequence shown here is hardly every possible.
@@morabeza1 Please provide the whole sequence. The Bg4 is nothing serious, and is not seen as best for Black against this setup. You just need a good evaluation and check for new opportunities. Being completely on autopilot usually doesn't work.
@@BadBishopChess Usually my opponents play d5, then Bg4. I'm around an 1160 so my opponents are usually similar level. I understand needing to adjust but their Bg4 takes away the crucial moves in this sequence. Once I kick their Bg4 away with h3 and g4 to remove the threat on my queen, the Ne1 move back for the f pawn push doesn't seem logical anymore because then the king side pawns are already extended, leaving my king with no close pawns. If there is some way to beat their move to Bg4 and continue the KIA, I'd love to learn it! I'm so tired of the London 🤣
I see that I should make a video on that line too. In general, there is no meaning in kicking the bishop away with h3 and g4 (h3 is fine, no damage done yet) for the reason you mentioned - weakening your kingside. It is possible in case the center is locked, but I believe you are talking about a very early stage of the opening, when nobody has comited in the center yet. In that case it is no good to hunt the bishop with g4. There are two strategies, in csse you'd want to stay in the KIA formation: (1) When their bishop gets to g4, and they already have Nf6, you can use that to play Ne5 and counterattack the g4 bishop. We will assume it retreats to h5, then you keep that knight on e5, and develop normally, until the moment comes for e4. Then you will notice that your e2 pawn is pinned, and the thing to do is Qe1, and then advance e4. (2) Second option is to do exactly the same, only with your knight on f3 (without Ne5). The difference is not that much important, but it makes things simpler for you on the kingside when you don't have the f3 knight bloccking your f2-pawn. You get f2-f4 without losing time. However! In all these and other cases one needs to be aware that after e4 is done, you don't have f2-f4 secured yet! The whole video and KIA idea (except of the one arising from the French) is based on the idea that Black responds with d5-d4 - passing your e4 pawn! Only then you should continue with the f2-f4-f5 plan, as the center is locked. Moving f4 before Black commits in the center like that is typically weakening your kingside without that much of a gain. This part is far more important then where the enemy LSB is. Being on g4 or f5, or c8, e4 is doable. Problem is that - when they get the bishop out to f5 or g4, typically Black is not interrsted in moving d5-d4 as a response to your e4. Usually they take on e4, and the game gets a different turn where f2-f4 is not advisable for White. The newly created pawn formation is begging for another video and set of ideas of what to do next with White.
It is correct that one should keep those pawns (in most of the cases) in front of own king, but there are conditions when it is safe to go against that guideline. One of the good signs is when the center becomes locked or closed, and you have more space on a certain flank (kingside in this case) - than it is OK to push and start a pawn-storm attack. The reasoning is - there is no diagonal or file that the opponent can use to get to your king and start a counterplay. However, if the center is open, that possibility is widely open. Hope this helps to understand this theme better. I didn't put in the video since I have it in another one, dealing with the King's indian defence. 🙂
Bravo! And thanks for submiting your answer! (Sorry for the late reply, I didn't want to reveal/confirm the answer cause of the other viewers interested in finding the solution.)
I think stockfish disagrees with you at the end that there's a winning move for white, at least for quite a few more moves. Unless I didn't let it calculate at the beginning for enough time.
Hello, Jeff! Thank you for your input! I am checking it right now, and it is something like +5 according to Stockfish, although if Black plays the best, the game can certainly be continued, since Black ends up, I think, only down a pawn, but with many other weaknesses, so in the real game we had a resignation by Black at that moment (after White plays an excellent move Nh5!, which someone has mentioned in the comment section as the move to continue with for white).
@@BadBishopChess Yes, definitely Nh5 is what stockfish suggests. I was looking at Nh4 to f5 at first, but that doesn't work. I'm not a great player, and definitely liked your video. I've used this opening now a couple of times.
Thanks, Jeff! I appreciate your comment! Let me know how the King's indian attack works for you. Feel free to paste the PGNs here in the comment section.
@@BadBishopChess Thank you! I also really like opening with Knf3. It is so flexible. And I like openings that get you out of the starting gate, so you can focus on tactics, strategy, and middlegame plans.
Thanks for your input! The move you are talking about (Nc6) is also the book move, well known, and I play that as black :) The point of explaining the d5-d4 move instead is to show the pawn structure that EVENTUALLY occures on the board in this opening, and illustrate the plans for both sides that are derived from that pawn structure (after d5-d4). If I'd be showing the book moves, the viewers/audience/students would need to wait possibly 10 more moves for this move to happen (d5-d4) to finally see the key pawn structure, essential for understanding the opening. That's the right way to study openings, not just go over the book moves and memorize them. If you are asking why Nc6 is better than an immediate d5-d4, it is a more serious question, but it comes to this: In case of Nc6 black is keeping cards hidden from white when it comes to the pawn structure they are planning to create. And while the black pawn is still on d5 (not yet advanced to d4) the center is still flexible, which means - white shouldn't dare to push their pawns on the kingside and weaken their King. (As explained in the video - white is absolutelly okay to start their attack on the kingside only after the center gets locked and diagonals closed towards their King.) Meaning, while black pawn is standing on d5, if white dares to advance their f and/or g-pawn, black would most likely trade on e4 (d5xe4), and open the center (the game) as much as possible (that's the best strategy if your opponent is going for your castled King). White, on the other side, is going to try to make Black advance d5-d4, which means spending couple of moves more working on that. All that is slowing down White's attack, making it a bit less efficient than the way it is explained in the video. If we'd be going deeper into this, we'd get a question of this kind: Why White wouldn't just close the center, and play e4-e5 instead of waiting or making black advance d5-d4? Well, the truth is - it is really what often happens on the highest levels, but looking at the beginner's database, most of the times black (lead by beginners) play this suboptimal, early d5-d4. That's another reason why I am dealing with it in this video. In a more advanced version of the same I'd be dealing with the one when white goes for e4-e5 and then starts their kingside attack (it looks a bit different in that case). If this is not clear yet, feel free to ask for further clarification, I'll gladly answer.
Well noticed! However, since 1. Nf3 prevents e7-e5, it is not often available for Black to accomplish the reversed Pirc set-up. It isn't recommended for Black to do the Nb8-c6 (to support e7-e5) before c7-c5 move, in which case we get into the reversed KID instead of the Pirc.
Thank you, Vincent, for your feedback! This one is called King's indian attack mainly because the fianchetto is made by White. When it is made by Black, then it is called the King's indian defence. Cheers!
