while i completely LOVE the remake, i feel like the only thing that saved this scene was halle's performance. but her performance paired with a more intense triton would have been amazing
As an adult, I always burst into tears at the scene when Triton destroys the grotto, because it reminds me of the time when I was 17 that my dad burned all of my art as a punishment, for drawing for fun without his knowledge.
Thanks for this! Though the line "..I love him..' is not said by Ariel in the live action, I still think the fact that she called out his name, which I believe is sort of a modification of the original line( when having the conversation with her Father) is still giving the, 'you went that far as to know him/ a human' vibes: yeah, I found it almost as impactful as the original.
@meldreamsdocometrue , yeah, he was waiting for Ariel to show up at her grotto, knowing she'd be there(with the help of Sebastian) to confront her for disobeying him by meeting a human
@@X0209-l2r Don forget Professor Screweyes from We're Back! A Dinosaur's Story, King Colbert from Thumbelina, and Vultor the Buzzard from The Adventures of the American Rabbit
Truly gem indeed. I'll always grateful for all the effort you do to share all this content, I love The Little Mermaid and this is a way to know, appreciate and enjoy the movie even more!
The animated scene is powerful in every version. The musical is also good and powerful, but the live action doesn't built any tension and lacks emotion from beginning to end. There's no compassion in Javier Bardem after wrecking her treasures, unlike the other versions. And Ariel doesn't act like a teenager in this version, which doesn't work.
i agree for the most part, but i think ariel acts like a teenager, just more calm & mature, and there are teenagers like that. i do agree that it lacks emotion, i really like halle’s approach but javier’s acting is way too quiet & subtle. he isn’t very intimidating & doesn’t even seem angry, and it feels soooo rushed
Honestly, I hated how Triton was punishing Ariel just because she disobeyed his rules and interacted with a human. In the animated version, he says that Ariel can't worry about a human, and in the live version, HE LITERALLY TELLS HER THAT SHE SHOULD'VE LET ERIC DROWN.
@conrad5673 Well, I'm sorry, but like it or not, Ariel is not a Whelp anymore. And until Triton stops treating her as such, he can just get used to her following her heart, rather than his silly rules that don't mean anything!
The best thing of the remake is that she dosnt call him daddy and dosnet say she loves him if she dosnt eve knows him along with halle amazing voice killed it
I know King Triton loves his daughter and has her best interests at heart but his closed-mindedness and stubbornness make him not a great father. By destroying Ariel's treasures he is pushing her into the human world all the more. He does need to learn that not every human is bad
Um…Remake Triton comes off like a total sociopath. The original Triton for all his faults, can be forgiven for his atrocity cause he did it in a fit of anger without thinking clearly and he clearly expressed remorse upon seeing that he had hurt his daughter but remake Triton was just so calm, so cold, when he did it and when he sees his daughter crying, he just coldly tells her to submit to him, not even showing any sign of remorse or distress for the hurt he caused. I mean couldn’t they at least had him saying something like, “I didn’t want to hurt you, but I know no other way to keep you safe.”
In the remake’s novelization version, Triton, despite his actions of destroying Ariel’s treasures being completely unforgivable, DID actually feel remorseful, even when he said “Never leave again.” And when he realized why Ariel “Ran away” while she is missing, he became even more remorseful. I know this because I have that novelization and I read it.
While I hear what you’re saying, some people, when they mess up like that and know it, don’t know what to say or do to not make it worse so they shut down and stay quiet or make little remarks like that meaning to imply, “I didn’t want to do this but I had to. If you don’t leave again this whole fiasco can be avoided.” Unfortunately it DOES come across as unempathetic. That being said I wish they had gone with your idea because it DOES sound better.
I get that he was protacting Ariel and wants the best for her but taking away the thing you love the most and her hobby isn't the answear. Telling her to stay away from the place would have beeing fine but destroying her favourite place is no way to fix things. There's always another way to fix things. Good things got better in the end and the whole family supported Ariel's dream in the end. Ariel had a right to leave and make her dream come true but she should have left a sign telling her family she was leaving. They might not have beeing there for her but they love her and even if what Triton did was wrong he just wants the best
I was in love with Ariel when I was in Kindergarten (back between 2000 to 2001) and I felt bad for her when she lost her voice and was forbidden to talk to Eric
@conrad5673 No way! Sure, Ariel took a big risk in rescuing Prince Eric from the storm and trading her beautiful singing voice to Ursula to become human, but she did it because she loved Prince Eric! That proves that she is a good princess with a good heart.
When you watch these evolution videos you really appreciate Halle’s performance. You realize she did a spectacular job. Not implying the others weren’t great, but Halle’s performance has human quality.
Honestly this is my most hated scene in the movie, by far. Because it is just way too needlessly mean-spirited. And before you people call me a big baby for having a different opinion, let me explain my points. King Triton is a character that we're supposed to LIKE, but this scene makes it really, REALLY hard to like him in the first half of the movie. I know he has good intentions with what he does, but that doesn't stop me from hating this scene. Honestly I feel like Wreck-it Ralph did this scene MUCH better, because even though Ralph also did something like this, the movie actually gave us more to like about him before having him do this, so that managed to be genuinely heartbreaking without making Ralph look like an unlikeable monster.
The thing that I found funny about this scene is that Ariel is the only one who cared about that statue being destroyed. Eric hated it, so did Max. Grimsby thought it was lost at the bottom of the ocean in the shipwreck. Triton hated humans. I do feel sorry for flounder and whoever helped him get the statue to the grotto.
This scene is extremely powerful! I do like the 1989 animated version; plus, I didn’t know the 2008 Broadway version could be uploaded. But I have a personal reason why I love the 2023 live action version more. It’s got more backstory.♥️
To whose personality? Jasmine's? Or Aladdin's? Because I know that Aladdin is a street rat who steals to survive, and Jasmine is a princess whose father wants her to get married.
@conrad5673Dude... You know there is a limit from being a father and a Monster right? Yes, she broke the rules, but like: "I'll make sure you want to stay by distroyng everything and making you feel bad!" Sureeee, that surly is gonna work.
@conrad5673 Eric is not a monster, and you know it!! Humane humans are one thing, and inhumane humans are another!! King Triton is such a royal pain in Ariel's neck!!
I think the next thing that the next thing that we may need is an evolution of Sebastian's interactions with Chef Louis (or just the evolution of Les Poissons, whichever one works for you).
Every time I see that scene, it reminds me not only of all the times my mother and her firstborn unleashed their unreasonable, unjustified and absurd prejudices towards my tastes for anime and video games, but also of all the times they tried to destroy anything related to all that. When it was obvious that they should have changed their attitude for the better.
It’s a shame “daddy” had to get sexualized lol it used to be a sweet way to refer to your father, at least in the south anyway. Idk how many households used the term but my older sister always called my dad daddy. Father here sounds too formal to me but their relationship in this version seemed less close and more royal I guess idk.
I still wished they used the word “daddy” in the 2023 remake, it really shows how loving Ariel and triton’s relationship is despite them fighting a lot.
If I had ever lost my temper and had a fit of rage as bad as the original King Triton did when angry in front of my mother as a child, it's not very unlikely that I would have gotten my behind torn apart with a belt or flyswatter, or smacked in the face.
This does have a parallel to Star Wars Luke Skywalker watching his Homestead burnt to the ground and Princess Leia witnessing her adopted home planet Alderaan blown up by the first Death Star
Governor Tarkin “ See Lord Vader? I told you she can be reasonable. continue with the operation as planned you my fire when ready.” Princess Leia “What?!” Tarkin “ oh you’re far too trusting Dantooine it’s far too remote to make an effective demonstration, however we will deal with your rebel friends soon enough.” Leia “No!” Unnamed Superlaser Gunner: “ commence primary ignition“
I absolutely loved how Javier Bardem and the artists who worked on the character's look rendered Triton in the 2023 movie, but since the message of the whole story is to unite two different worlds, having Sharukh Khan the king of Bollywood play the part would have been absolute top. He definitely had the right physicality (he's not the tallest but the cgi tail would have easily fixed this), gaze, age, attitude, everything. As for his facial features, well, even his name (which is the real name he was given at birth) actually means "king-like face", so there we go.
1:05 2:50 4:36 6:27 8:18 and 12:31💢💢🧜🏻♂😠 TRITON: So, all this you could sneak up to collecting human junks, This is why we don't bring human junks into our merworld!
To me this is very reminiscent of Luke rushing home to witness the Lars Homestead as was uncle Owen and Aunt Beru burned down by the Empire (possibly it was Boba Fett hired by Vader) as well as The destruction of Alderaan on the orders of Governor Tarkin
7:17. To 9:06. Even when I was Rewatching The (1989) Little Mermaid Film and it’s Sequels to prepare myself for The (2023) Little Mermaid Remake. This Scene Honestly Kinda still Terrified me. The Late Kenneth Mars (1935 - 2023) Performance as King Triton’s feels so Powerful and so Realistic. 11:23 To 13:37. While Javier Bardem does a Fine Performance as King Triton. Because King Triton’s character in The Remake feels like a Combination of The (1989) Little Mermaid King Triton Voiced by The Late Kenneth Mars (1935 - 2011) and the (2008) Little Mermaid: Ariel’s Beginning Voiced by Jim Cummings and Javier Bardem does a Really Great Job Combining those two King Triton’s into one. The Problem for me with this scene is not the acting It’s The Destruction of The Grotto because I’m sure that they wanted to Tone this scene down but The Destruction of The Grotto Suffers from it and it feels Rushed.
@conrad5673 Stop adding insult to Ariel's injury. She's just as mature and responsible as her mom and sisters. It's her father who should take full responsibility for his harsh actions and rash decisions.
@conrad5673 Ariel is not as irresponsible as Triton clearly is! Besides, how would he know her lateness was on purpose? She never even meant to forget about the concert! And as for disciplining her, doing so by breaking her spirit is no way to teach her what's right and wrong or show and tell how much more or less he cares, especially if if kills everything that's good and nice inside of him. So now do you respect and understand Ariel's point of view as much as I do?
@conrad5673 Are you sure you want to keep fighting with me about this, because I promise you, it'll get as ugly as the rift between Ariel and Triton very fast. I don't care to read one more rude comment about Ariel from you ever again!! You don't even know me and I don't even know you!! And unless you're sorry for your rudeness towards Ariel, I won't take back what I think of Triton. That's no excuse for you to misjudge Ariel and her family and friends before getting to know them better. Now go away and leave Ariel alone!!
I hated the scene. At least Javier Bardem nailed every moment of portraying the role. My father said he’d nail it and he did. I wish they left the line “you could never be together”.
This scene is why I've always considered Triton to be a villain until the end of the film. He was a horrible father. In terms of comparisons, I still say the original is better than the remake. Javier Bardem is a great actor but he doesn't bring the same emotional punch to King Triton as the late and great Kenneth Mars did.
I'm glad that the Sea King never did anything like this in the original version of _The Little Mermaid_ (ⓒ1837) by Hans Christian Andersen. His trident doesn't destroy anything and kill anybody. Also, in the original version, the Sea Witch doesn't try to take over his kingdom. After taking the mermaid's voice, she gives her the potion in a flask, and tells her to swim to land and drink it there. I've noticed that the original versions of fairy tales are often regarded as darker and more disturbing than the Disney adaptations, but in the case of _The Little Mermaid_ , I don't agree. Plenty of violence occurs in the 1989 Disney adaptation, as well. King Triton refers to humans as "spineless, savage, harpooning fish-eaters, incapable of any feeling!". I'm sorry to say that I'm in no position to argue with him about this, since I used to enjoy seafood, e.g. tuna sandwiches, swordfish, anchovy pizza, lobster, and clam chowder, myself. I've recently learned that seafood is often obtained via hazardous industrial methods, e.g. drift netting and bottom trawling. Such methods take vast amounts of marine life, by accident, as bycatch, and even the industry's intended catch is often unsustainable. According to _Animal: The Definitive Visual Guide_ , 3rd edition (ⓒ2011) by David Burnie and Don E. Wilson (Editors-in-Chief), people catch about 100 million sharks yearly, including at least 6 million blue sharks. This is at least 3 sharks a second, including a blue shark every 5 seconds. Millions more are taken as bycatch. "Tortoiseshell" jewelry, I read in _Weird & Wonderful Wildlife_ (ⓒ1983) by Michael Marten, John May, and Rosemary Taylor, is actually made from the carapace, or upper shell, of the now-critically endangered hawksbill sea turtle. Other anthropogenic threats to this and other sea turtle species include disturbance of their nesting beaches, distraction by artificial lights, over-harvesting for their eggs, attacks by stray dogs, and, as already mentioned, being taken as bycatch by industrial fishing gear.
