Kitchenaid vs. Maxima MSM 8 - making Pizza dough 

I did the same. I stepped up from a Kitchenaid to the Maxima. Actually mine is a Vevor as sold here in the US, but it's the same mixer. I think a lot of people are quite happy with the Kitchenaid, but they are not all alike. There are so many different models. Mine was constantly stripping the plastic driven gear. I hate it. The Maxima is a great mixer for the price, but it is a one trick pony designed specifically for dough, and is very heavy. If all you are mixing is pizza or bread dough it's hard for me to recommend a Kitchenaid when the Spiral is almost the same price, and so much better at the job. Vito Iacopelli actually recommends mixing for 20 minutes in the Spiral. I've found that is a good target, although it really seems to come together at around 17-18 minutes.

I think quite a few commenters misses the point. Perhaps also misled by poster by clearly overloading the KA. What the point is that a spiral mixer makes better bread/pizza dough than a planetary mixer. The planetary mixers are typically more versatile making them suitable for most home-users.

The Kitchenaid is a planetary mixer. Homegrade. The Maxima is a Spiral mixer. Chinese knock off of an Italian commercial grade mixer. The *Famga IM-8.* 8 for 8 kg dough capacity. Planetary mixers are primarily designed for whipping up cream, mixing cookie dough and cake batter ect. Maybe small batch of bread or pizza dough. Spiral mixes are designed for mixing bread and or pizza dough only including high hydration doughs. You won't find a Spiral mixer in a cake factory or cake store. Likewise you won't find a planetary mixer in a Pizzeria or bread bakery. They are two different types of mixers that compliment each other. Not meant to compete against each other. Let alone compare a knock off of an Italian commercial mixer to a homegrade mixer designed for women to bake cookies, muffins and cakes.

The KA is a light to medium weight home multifunctional appliance compared to a very light commercial unit specifically meant for one thing. They are both good when used as designed.

This is an obvious example of several things: 1) KitchenAid cannot handle more than 850g of flour, 2) mobile workstations are not fit for a stable, safe work environment, 3) Spiral commercial mixer will always beat a KA

KA mixer is in NO WAY designed to mix pizza dough. simply, it is NOT a "dough machine." i even bought a really good stainless dough hook off amazon for my KA, but it still only gets the dough about 80% there before the dough starts to overheat. so... i forked out the $500 for the vevor spiral dough mixer, which is the same mixer as the MSM... identical in every way and made in the same factory. yep, the MSM / Vevor gets.it.done. !!! my pizza dough is definitely pro-level now and i didn't have to buy an $1850 famag 8. i have perfect gluten structure development. best $500 i ever spent. cleaning the MSM / Vevor is actually not that much of a pain. just buy it if you're serious about your pizza dough. that, and make sure to use caputo red flour. cheers!

Now do 3 egg whites whisking in the Maxima. That would be an equally pointless comparison to match this one

Just picked up my first spiral mixer, I am so so so excited to not have to knead by hand anymore!! This video proves I made the right decision!

I totally agree. Maxima is way better. To be honest though it does require a minimum of 1.5kg dough at a time. For an avid home baker that's not an issue. It is bigger and probably not as good looking which might have storage implications. The last thing I'd like to add that there are spiral stainless steel (third party) dough hooks for kitchen aid that do change the game a lot. I bought one for my kitchen aid and it does help, it's a serious upgrade. It won't cause kitchen aid to beat maxima but I can mill grain and squeeze fruit with my kitchen aid :). So nothing is black and white in life :) Thanks for the video I liked this comparison a lot. People seem to misunderstand why this video was created :)

I just make smaller batches of dough with my kitchenaid and that solves that for me anyway

Thanks for this comparing, That’s why I changed my KitchenAid mixer to spiral 8kg Italian mixer , it’s really makes distinction when you made the dough 👍

I believe there is a valid point being made with this Video. The right mixer will do the job right.

Exactly the comparison I was looking for - thank you for doing this!

I just ordered a spiral mixer (Famag 8)but was using Kitchenaid up until now. Even if the spiral mixer should take the dough to the next level, I have to compliment our kitchenaid. It's done a fantastic job until now. But, instead of using the hook from the start try going through the 3 tools you have; the whip for water and flour until you have a pancake-like batter, then the 2nd tool and finish with the hook. That should help. Limit was 1kg of flour for me, however.

Unrealistic, since MSM 8 is designed for 3 kg of flour and KA for 1 kg of flour. Repeat the test with 333 grams of flour in the KA, then both machines are loaded to 1/3 of their capacity.

Great video. As a simple home baker, I have learned that I should be kneading my bread dough by hand for this exact reason. The KA just doesn't do well with bread dough. When my KA decides to breakdown I will replace it with a spiral mixer. I wish I would have known about them but I have had my KA for maybe 20 years. It's gotta break sometime.

Planetary mixers are just not the right tool for kneading bread dough. They're great at spinning it, but that's not kneading. It's a design issue. Planetary mixers have their place in a kitchen but kneading heavy bread dough is not what they are best at. One way I've found to get around this issue is to put only 3/4 of the flour in to mix with my Kitchen Aid. This keeps the dough sticky enough to cling to the sides of the bowl and stretches the dough enough to get a decent kneading action. The remainder of the flour I then knead in by hand. I've been watching a ton of videos reviewing mixers lately because I want a larger capacity mixer for making bread dough that will actually knead the dough and not just spin it. This machine frequently referred to as a spiral mixer seems to be the best way to go but they are not cheap.

Brilliant comparison. If anyone doubts, I can confirm as I have seen this in real life. Professional spiral mixers make beautiful dough. "Cake mixers" make rubbish dough and end up just wasting your time and your flour. . Also, you can easily burn out your cake mixer's motor with a heavy dough.

Thanks for this, albeit longer video of mixing dough then most videos out there. This is a way more realistic image on what it takes to make dough at home using consumer equipment.

Change the hook for a spiral one and it will work much better

I think that the kitchenaid caused the earthquake that activates the volcano in La Palma.

I have the Kitchen-Aid pro.series 7 qt. Working flawlessly. Cheers 🍻 EH!🇨🇦👍😎🇨🇦👍

Well I had the kitchen aid artisan and 2nd use making dough @ 500g per time it broke down and screeching and motor won’t work . I do not recommend kitchenaid whatsoever, not made for dough making that’s for sure. !!

That kitchenaid needs a spiral hook for a fair comparison. But, obviously, the dough mixer is better overall. Also, the Maxima site has it on sale for 750, and that KA is 300 on sale right now. 1250 and 400 not on sale.

Thank you for posting this video.

I use the 8 Quart commercial Kitchen Aid. It makes a fine dough, and doesn't even get warm. The "civilian" Kitchen Aid mixers use plastic gears and are not intended for heavy usage. I burned up 3 of them before I discovered that.

You should read the load limits of the Kitchenaid. This is a poor comparison.

If you want good results using the kitchen aid use the the batter attachment first. Its an multi-purpose mixer, not a dedicated dough machine.

I think a Kitchenaid professional with a spiral hook would be a better comparison. Also it’s best to weigh all ingredients.

Thank you for your video. It helped me decide what to buy for my pizza dough business.

Thanks for the video. I will send this to my wife AFTER I already buy a dough machine, because I know she will ask me why.

There is a better hook for kitchenaid !

The Kitchen Aid is a great home device for many applications. I've got one myself. Bur for dough making it is absolutely not suited compared to a spiral mixer like the MSM 8. Look at the doughs that pizzaiolos make in a spiral mixer. stretchable to as thin as a sheet. You'll never get such a result with the Kitchenaid. I speak from experience as hobby pizzaiolo...😊

Surprised how affordable the Maxima is, it's obviously too big for most peoples home kitchens but it's not far from the price of a Kitchenaid and a lot heavier duty while doing a more thorough job of kneading dough. I find with most kitchen stand mixers I dangerously have to jam in a stiff spatula to force the dough off the hook and to knead properly, it's not recommended but it works if you're careful. I always thought a dough bowl with a plate standing out inside the bowl that does a similar job to my spatula would help these kitchen machines knead dough, it'd knock it off the hook better.

Yeast should be desolved in water first

This was very instructive. Thank you.

It is amazing the ammount of errors you made in this dough recipe. first and most important you are using a very weak motor kitchen aid mixer which is not reccommended to make pizza dough, and secondly the quantity of flour, a complete dissaster..., with the right ingredients and the right mixer there is no need to mix longer than 10 minutes, otherwise you are killing the glutten structure because the temperature it will reach by mixing for almost double the time.

Mini golf vs golf. That's a funny comparison. However if you've got the space then always buy the commercial product that's similar or close to the price of a smaller dough mixer. Most people don't have large space so choose the smaller dough mixer. Keep in mind the smaller dough mixer has a much smaller dry flour limit compared to the larger commercial unit so you can't have the same large volume in the smaller mixer.

How many people watched till the end? A big difference in technology, I wonder what the price difference is? The spiral mixer is much bigger and possibly overkill for a home enthusiast, in a commercial setting the spiral mixer would save so much time and effort

In the USA the 5qt bowl lift sells for about the same as the Artisan tilt head. The bowl lift comes with a proper spiral dough hook and a 525W motor (not 325W). it easily kneads 1600g dough, nothing like you show with the tilt head. I regularly do it. I don't have to add the flour slow. All the water, then the salt, then the flour and finally the yeast (though I normally use sourdough starter). Turn on to speed 1 till it's shaggy, then 3 or 4 for ~10 min. Any bread you can think of.

This is a good video. The kitchen-ade makes ok dough where a commercial mixer makes great dough. My kitchen-ade is on its last legs and as I mix a lot of dough I might go commercial rather than a more powerful kitchen-aid.

Great demo. Only now I understand, why my Kitchen Aid is definitely NOT the right machine for dough making.

Did any else notice him flipping off the KA @11:14 i was dying of laughter. So true i went through this then i have to finish it by hand anyway I've finally bought a spiral dough mixer and have never looked back

I see your point and agree but it is not really a fair comparison. If you're mixing the same exact amount of dough in both mixers there's no doubt that the MSM 8 is going to leave a 5 qt KitchenAid in the dust. It's like putting a Volkswagen Bug up against a Ferrari in a quarter mile race! Even the larger KA mixers are questionable compared to a spiral mixer. They are just not that reliable for heavy duty dough mixing. I certainly do appreciate your showing of the quality of the Maxima so thank you for that. It is a really nice looking mixer. I haven't heard of that brand. I just finished watching a video on another spiral mixer Famag which is very similar to the Max. Either one would mix a large quantity of dough with ease as you demonstrated. The only advantage a more traditional mixer would have over a spiral mixer is the ability to mix cake batter, cookie dough, whip cream & egg whites, etc. Other than that the spiral mixer beats the pants off the KA and others if your looking for a straight dough machine and nothing else (providing you have the cash and the counter space!). Thank you for the comparison.

how do you clean the bowl of the maxima if it can't be removed ?

Great video, thanks!

let you all know in Poland kitchenaid artisan 5 cost 2800 PLN. It is 700$.

How much flower did you use for this test on each machine?

Thank you so much for making this comparison video. The spiral mixer is 16 minutes long when kneading machine. How high is the dough temperature?

Does the Maxima also knead smaller amounts of dough? Like 1 kg in total? Because I got the same problems... my kneading machine is getting too warm und smells not really good... I think it's about to explode ;) Thanks for your reply in adv.! :) Love the middlefinger in the video :D

Gut das meine Frau Küchenmaschinen hasst aber mein Brot liebt 😝 Ich verbacke jeden Sonntag etwa 2,3 kg Roggenteig und da war dieses Video schon recht hilfreich

Very nice video. Obviously the spiral machine works much better. But with 36Kg it needs a permanent space on the desktop.

Yeah, great comparisment. I have Maxima 7l mixer, but looking for MSM 20. :) Thank you for video!

What a joke of a comparison it makes no sense to add the same amount of ingredients on 2 machines that hat vastly different sizes. BTW just FYI you're not following instructions of how to work yeast doughs in KA. We've had a KA in my house for over 30 years, I was a kid when bought and we use it often in my house and works perfectly. What pe7dont understand is the difference between the C hook of Artisans and smaller KA against the Spiral hook on Bowl lift models. You can compare small KA against a dough making machine. In the end the KA is still a more versatile kitchen appliance against the MSM that can only mix dough. This ìs a terrible video almost offensive is like comparing Dimaggio and a 3rd grade playing Baseball its just about humiliation of course this are inanimate objects but the animosity of the video is horrible. I'll make you do a Sprint race against Usain Bolt and see who wins

Planetary are OK for American baking, like making cookies and sponge/cup cakes. But limited to make gluten requiring doughs. Just don't get an Ankarsrum, it's even worse for bread making.

Backe auch selber oft Brot.Das mit dem Karusellfahren trift es bei meiner Maschine leider auch.Das ist zwar gerührt, aber nicht geknetet.Ich bin genau jetzt am schauen, was ich kaufen soll.Gehe auch Richtung Spiralkneter, da ich damit nur Brotteig machen will.

I don't recommend using a KA Artisan style mixer for yeast doughs. Their bowl lift machines work just fine for doughs. Extremely unfair comparison.

It’s not fair. Look at the difference beetween bowl size KA is 5 qt and your spiral mixer is propably like 10 qt

Hello @Cooking to the max, thank you for this video I already watched 2x ;). Can the Maxima MSM8 also knead bread dough (small spelled or rye flour which makes a very hard dough) and natural leaven? What is the minimum amount of flour to use? Thx !

Während eine Maschine im maximal Betrieb ist, ist die andere im minimal Betrieb. Das ist als wenn ich einen Umzug mit einem Van und einem Truck vergleichen würde und jedem Glauben lassen würde es ginge nur mit einem Lkw anstelle von zwei mal fahren.

कहां से हे बड़ा स्पॉयलर कितने का है

Essa masseira grande é top e tem muita eficiência na sova da massa o que já não acontece com a Kitchenaid Artisan , porém a melhor mesmo é a poderosa Bosch Universal Plus da Alemanha .

Where can I get this in the USA

I'm kind of depressed we paid a ton of money for our new KitchenAid and it smells like I burnt up the house making some Udon noodle dough. It still seems to work but I'm not sure if I should ever make hard dough again with it. Not sure our kitchen can fit this thing though. Love the middle finger lol!

Have you ever tried mixing meat for sausages in this mixer? I would be very interested if it works. Thx

Whats the difference between a Kitchenaid Professional and this then 🤔

good afternoon. acquire a maxima msm8. but I don't know how to clean it. thanks

Even for whipping cream or egg whites, the Kitchen Aid is an over priced, low quality machine. Never again.

the kitchenaid dough hook is horrible. I did the same. Don't use KA for dough kneading but bough a professional mixer with a proper spiral hook, etc. Huge difference in the quality of the dough.

please, can you make 80% hydratation video with the maxima? please

Come on, you can't compare a spiral mixer with a small kitchenaid with a "C" type hook. At least compare a kitchenaid model that has a spiral dough hook (such as the professional 600 series). I own both and you have to use the planetary in a completely different way like adding water slowly so the "carousel" will loosen up and absorb the water better, forming a better smooth gluten etc.. However, you cracked me up with the caption "knead" and "ride a carousel" 😂

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If somebody wants to make Chapatis/Rotis what type of equipment does one need. neither of those above machines qualified one was too sticky other one was with air bubbles for pizza. I want to know about chapati dough please let me if you know one. will be obliged.

Does anyone know if the maxima is suitable for UK power current please

What is the minimum fluor for maxima msm 8 to work properly? Thanks.

good informative video.

That's just what my Kitchen aid does that's why I am buying Famag IM 8s

sorry but instructions with kitchenaid also state that you should not go over soeed 2 with that kind of dough. It looks too fast in the video. Also maybe get the heavy duty one, no problem at all

There is a procedure for yeast dough in the KA manual, you should read it. But even then, the outcome is not perfect, of course. I worked with the KA, but I got a used one for 100€. I'd never buy one for 500€. Because for dough kneading that's rubbish. You can use it to mix the dough. Then for example fold by hand. Ah and thank you for the video !

Which model artisan? I assume the 5 quart? If so, you far exceeded its capacity….

Is Kitchenaid a North Korean brand?

Way to much flower in the planet airy mixer, that is a big overload on the capacity of the mixer

How many RPM is set KA and how many RPM is set MSM8?

Ankarsrum beats them all by a mile..

Wondering if i can buy that in the US?

Regarding kitchen aide there is written literature about speed and maximum flour. Watching I think you have overtaxed the machine so that is not a fair comparison.

Can I get some to buy

vevor products are amazing!

I have the maxima MSM 8 too, and it's great for the dough. My kitchenaid now just serve me to make cream or creme patissière or eggs white etc etc. By the way, the unique thing i'm a litle sad about the maxima is the cleaning we can't up the spiral part.

Ha.. many times it be given my KA the finger.. bread machine works better

Anfängerfehler! Hefeteige werden immer linksherum geknetet, damit die Wasserstoffmoleküle besser von den Sauerstoffmolekülen abgespaltet werden können und der Teig mehr Wasser aufnehmen kann. ;)

Hi man. Thanks for sharing. Can i ask you, how many revolutions for minute does maxima do? Thanks a lot Great from italy Bye

Use the proline series....

11:14 desnecessário

Thanks, this was nice to see in action

Very good! really amazing ! But If noone paid you why did you put a link?? It seems a little strange this!!!! I look at the machine and the minimum quantity of dough is 1,5 kg !!! if 1.5 kg refers only to flour, it is really too much to make dough for brioches, croissants or waffles! I saw machines thats cost 3,5 time the costs of this so this maxima should not be the excellence! But sure better than the toy Kitchneaid! That is a very poor mixer!!! I use my hands!! and a mixer manual for the long mix better than any mixer toy like kitchenaid!!!

I made some excellent dough from 55 till 90% of hydration with kitchen aid and spiral dough machine. We have to know how machine works

I think you destroyed the gluten in the bigger mixer.

Spiral mixers are definitely the better design for mixing dough compared to Planetary mixers. Planetary mixers are better for cakes and lighter mixtures.

I had the Bosch Maxximum. The same drama than the Kitchen Aid. This girly machines are made for housewifes, so they can make nice muffins. They are totally overwhelmed with pizza dough.