ya i wonder where she got some of those things from cause maybe its cause i only watched their phone convo once and dont remember it well, and even if chatty was a little petty during it overall he apologized(she can take that anyway she wants she doesn’t have to accept it but its weird hearing all these things that he apparently said that i just have no recollection of)
Even today when he nd Gigi spoke he repeated to her what he said on that call and she was like that’s a lot you never said that. Like girl yes that’s what he said.
ray literally texted her that too pretty sure she said to gigi " if u never wake up again im going to leave chatterbox or kill him" somethinbg liek that
I don't get why Gigi is acting like the clowns wouldn't defend their leader when they are attacked and disrespected like any other gang would and twisting Chatty's words when he told her he was glad she woke up. I also don't see how Ray doesn't see the things clowns do just for fun can be pretty extreme to others. I get Gigi and Chatty love to hate and bother each other and were romantic rivals but taking the mask was too far. The wrenching would have been too if either Ray or Chatty really knew how upsetting it was to Gigi. I get Gigi feels betrayed but her and Ray have such bad communication Ray doesn't even know how badly she hurt Gigi
Because that all shes know from 3.0 where they would shank and hammer people for the lols even though cg is this crazy gang we all see there also the biggest sbs crew.
You have to give props to both, for sticking to what are obviously on the outside flaws and flawed behavior, but staying true to that character. Gheeghee got pushed so hard from her lack on connection with Ray, and her inability to express herself. It makes sense that she would just boil over to such a momentary extreme of temporary hate to that. It is her saying you don't listen to me, now hear this. Ray is very desensitized to violence and very gray on morality of whats right and wrong. She also has inability to be compassionate unless it is a clear action she can see, not how it makes someone feel. She seems to push away those she wants close as a preventive measure to being left. So her mind she is just jokes with what most would say sensitive or inappropriate issues. OOC they also want more "drama" for the server to help push RP or at least open doors to different storylines.
Gigi don’t feel bad when she crosses boundaries so idk why chatty or Ray should feel bad she got wrenched. Holding rays face over the fire was friendship ending but rays abandonment issues kept her from seeing how toxic that was.
1:50 Not even Mr K did that and they've been enemies longer than Gigi's beef. Imagine Gigi taking Dundee's jacket or ocean dumping Mr. K. DO YA'LL THINK THE GANG WON'T DEFEND THEIR LEADERS?! You messed with a leader and they STILL weren't going to do anything until they robbed a clown that wasn't even involved in the beef. Then they realized okay, no longer a personal thing.
Kitty is so real for this! Sooo many well articulated opinions!! They truly never went back to the "clean slate" and they both have valid points in their perspective. I've been loving the drama and spice, so thank you for the great RP!
I've always wondered if Rae is ever going to have Ray Mond tell people about Chatterbox taking off his mask for her and how big of a moment it was for the two characters. When Ray explains her beef with other characters, she always leaves out that detail and you can hear them having to process why Ray would be so fixated on taking off Chatterbox's mask. Ray's reaction makes a lot more sense knowing that, but it also makes sense why Ray wouldn't share such a personal moment to other people.
I think rememmber when chatty and raymond alone in funhouse after bobby stab, remove his mask and dont want ray tell anybody how he looks under that and Ray has one last beef with GeeGee and disscuss it with kitty and tessa about last chance i think thats the reborn of Ray and GeeGee bounderies. Im sorry if im wrong its been so long time ago bruh
•she tells that part to people she cares about when the conversation is about how strong their bond is, but when it's a conversation about Gigi taking Chatterbox's mask, she's communicating in a way that doesn't make it about Her (other than the Fact she Told Gigi what she would do if she did it), it's about the violation on Him.
HUGE W to Angel for giving us this spicy RP!! Rae was literally trying to stir break up arc with chatterbox before this just because when things go too well in Ray Mond’s life she starts to get bored and as a result Ray Mond starts self destructive behaviours. This situation has given her something to focus on as it’s a very story based drama and Rae loves/thrives with that kind of roleplay. Remember to send some love Angels way, especially if you’re a Ray Mond and Chatterbox fan! Everyone was so nice to Bon Bon’s streamer (Mungo) for playing the “villain”, I expect the same towards Angel. Even if some people’s reactions have been a bit disappointing so far, I believe we can overshadow the negativity with support ❤
The problem with Gigi is that she never takes any responsibility for her actions but expects everyone else to do so. Ray mond has her faults but she’s constantly trying to fix them and apologizes profusely every time she messes up.
i think it's part of her lore. like ray mond has abandonment issue, she pushed people away. with gigi the victim complex coming from her used to hold back everything (from her mom lore too) that now she feels the need to get revenge over everything that makes her feels like shit. but with ray, she starts working on her issue, while with gigi her complex just comes out lately.
W take! i’m glad we got to hear her perspective, sometimes it’s important for viewers to listen to this. cuz it also reminds us how this is just a story.
Anyone who watch Rays or Gigis stream should know/remember it's just a story. They both laugh about it and talk OOC about how their char feels and why. So you'd think it's only people who watch short/out-of-context clips that might forget that sometimes.
Both Rae and Angel said they are intentionally doing stupid things for the story to progress if they want to. Like Ray telling Carmella her plan eventhough she knows Carmella will snitched. Leaving or adding certain words to make it more spicy. If they are all just accept and be truthful everytime then the arc will end immediately.
So definitely this totally started from Ray Mond (which Valkyrae totally admitted and again - its for the RP and story guys haha). But, Gigi definitely has escalated the situation and knowingly admitted taking his mask (which is the thing she remmebers Ray told her never to do) after getting her getback, then sicking the manor on the clowns. However - i think this is all definitely in character and its all RP guys! Cause and effect and let the story flow (get the popcorn!) As long as everyone involved (IRL) is happy with the spice, then just watch and support!
The Manor got involved because Kirk on his own put a bounty on Gigi because of their own beef and has nothing to do with the mask incident. Kirk already apologized to Gigi later after they shoot and robbed them. It's just funny the timing of Kirk who disguised as Snuffles threaten Gigi then right after, Ray prank Gigi with the tick tock call. That is why she got scared and told her boys. I think now Gigi and the Manors understands that the clowns will not use gun so her and Chatty have agreed on how they will continue.
@DioceseofKalookan-kt4nq not an actual bounty, but a prank call to Gigi as Snuffles saying Chatterbox put a bounty on her ... then she didn't listen to Chatterbox when he told her he didn't put a bounty out on her ... -- if Los Santos had good communications, there would be no fun storylines 😂
•I'd like to propose the Argument that Valkyrae is wrong to blame Ray for this incident •Ray tried to find a loophole -- a Very Clown thing to do •Ray communicated Her Boundaries to Chatterbox and Gigi - Chatterbox was already told not to hurt her friends (he didn't bother finding a loophole), Gigi was told not to take of Chatterbox's mask (Gigi went out of her way to abduct Chatterbox for the express purpose of violating That boundary) •Chatterbox has shown Ray time and time again that looking for loopholes is a true Clown attribute, so ... sure, she Yucked up, but lessons were learned •Gigi let's her Boundaries lerk unseen in the field like landmines --- I honestly need Rae to go all in and commit to making Ray a more villainous villain 😂 ... it's ok that she's just stupid and chaotic, though
@@smugnation2040 it is not jus miscommunication, I mean gigi has the right to take it seriously or not. She is in conflict with ray and chatty so of course she will not take any prank call lightly. Same with when she asked Chatty. It is up to her if she will believe her enemy or not. She only believe it when Kirk acknowledge it and talk to her. And yes characters intentionally do some dumb shit to have some storylines to create and progress
@@DioceseofKalookan-kt4nq lying (as Kirk did) is IMO a form of miscommunication ... and it caused Gigi to not trust a Clown she Knows usually tells her the Truth even if she doesn't like him ... + Gigi didn't take Ray's Sincere Communication about Chatterbox's mask seriously, but did take Ray's insincere statement about the prank being Gigi's idea seriously .... it all sources back to miscommunication
Also, Kitty doesn’t know that Tessa is getting more involved with the situation. So far the only person that knows this is Sooty. Yeah the other clowns do but really seem like they’re planning on doing anything as of yet. I’m sure Chatty will hop onboard easily. It’s going to be interesting how this will go. At least we got the friends turned enemies arc that was planned for at some point.
I loke how chatty was apologizing to gigi on the phone and gigi completely misheard him (or purposely) and that was the reason she took his mask off him. So basically she took his mask off because she misheard lol.
I actually thought Chatterbox was being genuine in that phone call and it was kind of sweet. He did feel bad about it and Gigi purposively only focused on the things she wanted to
Chats just watch the rp drama and enjoy with popcorn don't try to get involved as this is not a real world scenario but you getting into it might make it real bad IRL..
Anyone sending hate to angel should go kick rocks and suck on lemons.. while I am not a big fan of Gigi the character. Angel does phenomenal with her RP
This is why I’ve started to hate going on Twitter. It’s okay to dislike the character but then people start saying mean shit that’s obviously about the Streamer. In character, it seems like Gigi and Ray drifted apart over the months. Ooc, I feel like Angel had to put some distance because of toxic viewers. It’s fcking sad.
This why i like kitty’s perspective cuz it’s mostly logical , this whole thing was between gigi and raymond but gigi involved chatty and gigi crossed 2 lines with both raymond and chatty when it shouldve been just raymond
The whole contextual meaning behind why Gigi took the mask from Chatterbox, is because of Ray & him, that’s what she obviously didn’t tell Kitty, that’s why Kitty is thinking this way, it was because Ray said some f’d up things to Chatterbox about Gigi before she went under sedation in I.C.U, because Ray didn’t want to take accountability for own actions & blamed Gigi for it, but then she realised that she was the cause, but it was already too late at that point
Rememmber the case pny card that Hazel had, imagine that he doesnt want to pay and shoot and guts Mr K organ or remove one eye of Mr K are the boys just standing there and do nothing. I dont think so bruh. I mean yeah The clowns isnt a gank and doesnt have anything to loose and become a target when the gang just feels bored. I feel like clowns RP underrated bruh.
2:50 Ohhhh her take on the other clowns getting involved after the mask is spot on. Of course all tjose other clowns would be mad and chattys best friend would do something to dedend him (kirk stiring before leaving asking about conditioner and threatening her which got gigi to involve manor) and shouldn't nessisarily be blamed on Ray. You disrespected a group leader, everyone in that group is going to be mad in someway.
omg w take Kitty. I hope this arc will go on a different route than any typical gang conflict shit. I wanna see deep character development on both sides, not light-hearted sbs stuff although it's hard with all toxic chat hoppers to keep it somewhat serious rp. either way I'll watch for the sake of story and how it will all resolve
Can I just say that this rp arc is actaully soooo good!!! I see gta as my soul Opera, it’s a show for us to enjoy and get our feelings involved but we have no say really in the story. But my god this stuff is good 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Makes sense, she was against a wall. She should depend on them. Just a matter of do they want to explore that heat or they to busy with other issues. Hope they do, could be fun for a bit of content.
Gigi and Chatty already had an agreement about how they will continue. After Ratchet wrench them plus the bantering they realize that the clowns will not fight gang bang style and if ever cops shows up they are the ones who will be screwed. Honestly the brawl that the bbmc and clowns did are more fun than the usual gun fight by gangs.
I love Angel, but Gigi is THE most annoying character in 4.0. She is so manipulative and so delusional and she never thinks she's in the wrong. It's so annoying and that's obviously why she butt heads with Ray cause Ray Mond is one of those people who will confront you with how the situation is/was. Also, things would have gone differently if Ray woke up before Chatty's apology cause then her apology would have been so much more genuine but since Chatty's half-assed apology incited Gigi, there was no going back and Ray herself had no choice in this matter as soon as she told Gigi to prank call him. I love that Kitty is able to be that amazing girl friend who is able to bring rationality to all conflicts. Love her. ❤️❤️
Gigi was unconscious when Ray blamed her in the clothing store. Like did /me is unconscious. The soft skull comment ray made was cold and funny asf. Love the way the arc is going.
What gets me upset is the fact that Gigi never lets other people speak, she's always speaking louder and over them. Its one of the reasons why she doesn't have a correct perspective around anyone else
Kitty so mad at Gigi for not being live because of how good the RP was… well, were you live? No? That’s what I thought. It is annoying that they do so much RP offline. I get getting on for grinding and boring things people won’t wanna watch, but for GTA streamers especially, streaming their RP is literally their career. RP’ing content that no one will ever see is wild. 😅
It is very frustrating to hear Gigi play victim again. I am hoping in this arc she will progress past this as a character. I think it’s the perfect opportunity for her to grow and change
I think if she just got her lick back and just wrenched everything would be a different outcome and situation since she didn’t and took the mask she can’t feel a victim she literally took it can’t wait for the Drama and Context when rae comebacks from mr beast
Here's how I see it... Raymond chose to create a toxic joke involving Chatterbox and Gigi, and then blame the whole thing on Gigi, resulting in a Gigi ICU. Just like Gigi chose to be apart of the prank, kidnap Chatterbox w/ Carmella, wrench him, and take Chatterbox's mask. So tell me, which one is worse?... Cause I'm pretty sure it's Chatterbox getting pranked by his gf, wrenched by Gigi, and getting his mask stolen...ANDD Gigi being told to be a part of a prank, getting wrenched, hearing her best friend blame the prank on her, and then nearly dying in ICU- all while Gigi has no idea of the jokes and boundaries that Chatterbox and Raymond have set upon their relationship. For me, it's- ain't Raymond the reason all of this even happened? Yet, barely anything happened to Raymond. Yes Chatty wrenched Raymond later on, but other than that, Raymond got off so lightly, especially by Chatterbox. It's because Chatterbox is swayed by his love for Raymond. Chatterbox is so swayed by Raymond that every time he yucks with Gigi he apologizes to Gigi. Chatterbox only cares about Raymond, the Clowns, and a few others, he honestly did not care that Gigi nearly died. So why should Gigi care about Chatterbox? The man that nearly k!lled her? Gigi taking Chatterbox's mask is barely about Raymond. Gigi took Chatterbox's mask so Chatterbox knowwss dead seriously, not to yuck around with Gigi anymore. Gigi knew as soon as she took his mask and when 51 gang kidnapped her, that for the Clowns- it's on sight whenever they see Gigi. Carmella dropped out of being involved so who tf is Gigi supposed to go to? Surely not the ex-Italians or the Gworls. Of course the Manor are going to have Gigi's back when they see a bounty out for Gigi. Lastly, I saw someone on Twitter saying that Gigi activity ruined her and Ray's friendship the moment she took off Chatterbox's mask... but the thing is, their friendship was already ruined in Gigi's eyes they very moment when Raymond blamed it on Gigi, Chatterbox wrenched Gigi, and Gigi went to ICU. Gigi took Chatty's mask as a "fck you" to Chatterbox and a "btw, were done Raymond". This is close to what Gigi is trying to explain to Kitty. Ultimately Kitty is going to see both sides and want her two best friends to get along, but that's not happening any time soon. So I understand Kitty's sadness over all of this drama. I love how Kitty OOC is explaining IC Kitty's inner turmoil with her lost best friends, because I am sure that Raymond does not know anything about this. Angel and OOC Kitty both stated that just because you watch one main POV, doesn't mean that- that character has the only valid POV, and they're both right. Also, people watch one little snippet of Angel or Kitty and try to spin it on Twitter, that needs to stop. Like ya'll are truly sleeping on AngelKnives, and make sure to always show love to Angel, iKitty, Carmen, Jagger, and Rae! Nevertheless, OOC, the RP is amazing!! Angel Knives took a simple fcked up joke and amped it up a notch with the ICU arc, and involving queen Carmella was chief kiss. Also, this would not have happened had Valkyrie not come up with a wickedly brilliant joke involving Chatterbox and Gigi. Then, Jagger's hilariously annoying 51 Gang kidnap with Gigi and Carmella had me rolling... it all makes great Roleplay.
You said it perfectly 👏👏👏 people just refuse to watch other POVs to get the full context of each character’s reason of action, and the hate Gigi get is astronomical
Twitter is always hit or miss. Sometimes I like peoples takes, other times they’re all just circle jerking and acting like their opinion is superior. I’m glad both Valkyrae and Chatterbox told chat to show Angel love because it’s all just entertainment and RP. Storyline wise, I think all three of them are at fault but feel like Chatterbox got the worst of it. Only because the story behind his mask and the cruelty of taking it (which Gigi didn’t know the full extent and Ray only threatened her not to touch it without explaining why) was sad to watch. All of the RP that’s coming out of it is so good! 51 gang was so funny and the next day Carmella and Chatty beating each other up was a serious unserious interaction I needed lol
you’re one of the only sane commenters I’ve seen yet that didn’t immediately say it was just one person’s fault when it’s not just Gigi’s. It’s mainly Ray’s
this actually escalated because ray took a day off lol. ray acknowledge her fault to chatty the same day after talking with max and sooty, and wanna talk to gigi in person but she was in icu. when gigi woke up the next day, ray didnt wake up so she didnt get her apologize that gigi took revenge on chatty that day. then when ray woke up the next day, she found out what gigi did to chatty that made her enrage before she could apologize sincerely. this is why you shouldnt stir before you leave rae!!
@@saragissellebeautyy true, i kinda forget what it said but i believe she didnt specify why she said that, and didnt say she would left chatty if gigi doesnt wake up (bcs the text was before ray talked to max & sooty and saw the deeper problem). so it might look like a shallow apology text to gigi.
@@kimplung8250 so sad that Gigi doesnt seem to care now hahah and just took chattys mask... but its good rp ig, felt so bad for Ray cause she really felt guilty and was ready to take tje responsiblity of it
@@KaylaDito yeah, tbh i also feel bad for gigi because she went through so much bullyuck on her end. but obviously angel purposely take that route for gigi and we get to enjoy their friendship soap opera. again. lol
Kitty always has the best takes. Highest EQ :p Basically just comes down to both characters are being jerks and pushing things because the streamers want the drama. That’s it lol
i know by the comments every single time that no one that watches Valkyrae primarily even acknowledges how this story looks from the other side because yall take the streamers rationalizing as the “word of god”, but let me try Ray Mond moves likes the high school movie bully that get to poke & poke & poke… but now is surprised they got hit by the subject of their treatment… it’s been 4 IRL months of this BS😭 & first two things Ray Mond did after Gigi finally hit back was try to isolate her from the rest of their friends by getting in their ear and twist the story (as if Gigi needs to care about some mask that the bully’s man uses), if that’s not HS Bully behavior i don’t know what is 😭 second she started even more lying and manipulating to everyone that was willing to listen about Gigi trying to hurt her (CB also was saying this), when it was the other way around, just to try to get other people to do her bidding, because in her mind Gigi needs to be “fall in line” and allow her to keep the treatment however she desires, borderline psychotic… otherwise she would’ve just stop antagonizing Gigi months ago, when the Incel angle of attacking SK every way/chance she got didn’t work
wish more people saw this but still feel like things are going both ways , wish they just had a long talk about they friendship and how chatterbox treats people
don't act like gigi has never fought back before and as equally toxic as ray. gigi can give as good as it gets. heck, she can even go past the line and escalate. she was the one who made this a gang thing. she only walked it backed when sk said, manor is not having war with the clowns. handle your conflict. so now she just wants to wrench fight with chatter. whatever is coming for her is it is what it is.
@@theminimumheroic Incel by internet culture definition & behavior, if you made a list of every common characteristic, Ray Mond would’ve check marked every single box in her “jealous” arc…
5:23 want to put it out there. "Ray mond apologized" yeah? She said 2 sentences and then fought with gigi after. I'm happy that the rivalry is happening because the Chattercups bit is getting too tired they need an actual conflict to stay together
I don’t know why people are surprised that Gigi would take Chatterbox’s mask, you must not have watched 3.0 when Luciano was snatching chains in every conflict as leverage, it just runs in the family I guess 🤷
