Klipsch RP-504C old VS new - Battle of the generations - Battle 2 commence!

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We've had tons of questions about the new generation compared to the old. Is it just a cosmetic difference? Is it a big enough change to upgrade? Should I buy the old or the new? Well we are here to answer those questions today! Or at least to hopefully guide you in the right direction!
Last week we covered the RP-8000F Gen 1 Vs Gen 2. If you haven't seen that, make sure you check it out! This week we dive into the RP-504C Gen 1 vs 2. What are the differences and similarities? Which one sounds the best? Watch to find out and let us know what you think in the comments!
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@nobody1194 6 месяцев назад

The treble is noticiably higher on the previous gen and more natural on gen 2. I prefer Gen 2 as that calms the speaker down especially for movies.

@blueriverlore 2 месяца назад

I just picked up a RP-504C II for my center and started breaking it in. It will be used mainly for movies so I'm looking for that dialogue detail. Awesome review guys.

@TopShelfAudio 2 месяца назад

Call us first next time. :)

@bigelile07 2 года назад

The real test is what they sound like with a movie. You can blast music though a CC and it can sound great, but what about dialogue especially when it's a quiet scene.

@mikek5631 Год назад

Agreed. With a center speaker it's all about TV/Movie use.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

I was of this same mindset until we did the 504 vs 64 a while back. We tested with a lot of TV and demo content there. There were some subtle differences in Movies/video that we noticed but, really everything could be seen/show using a variety of music content. Added perk is we can actually let the audience listen too with this type of content. -Jason

@lxm2600 Год назад

Greetings from a fellow home theater enthusiast and audio engineer! First, thank you for an awesome video! - What an interesting speaker comparison! Same, yet different! It's in the end the matter of who likes exactly what flavor here, but personally I also like v2 better as a _center_ channel speaker. Tho, it would be a fun to experiment with v1 as front L/R main speakers with v2 as a center! 😜 Couple of ideas for the future - maybe upload the uncompressed audio files from the mic to somewhere where viewers can download them. RU-vid does pretty well on turning your beutiful audio to mush (140 kbps AAC-LC in this case) . Extra points for mentioning the make/model of the mic used to record the samples - so us DSP-nerds can reverse-IIR some of the mic's characteristics out of the sonic picture while listening. Keep on rocking!

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! Thats an idea! That said, theres no way itll ever be anything like in room. We've toyed with the idea of improving the setup to get as close as possible but, our primary focus is the commentary and, at some point, viewers are going to need to hear them in person for themselves. As for the mics, We arent using the best as...end game is youtube so, not much point in doing so unless we go the route you mention and release the audio file separate. For the mic on the speakers, we use a Sterling ST131. For lapels we use sennheiser ME2-II with wireless kits. Think that answered everything but feel free to ask anything else youd like :) -Jason

@stevebarnes5243 10 месяцев назад

RP-504C / RCL, YUP! I have two 504C as timber matched R/L, standing vertically on dual SVS SB3000. This set up timber matches the 504C center speaker very well. I use vibration feet on the vertical 504C to keep them steady. Being a 2.5/3 way speaker the dialog from all three speakers blends seamlessly with plenty of Klipsch attack and forward sound stage. At the closeout price of $340 ea, this is a very clear, detailed sound stage with tight in your face detailed bass from the SB 3000. I tweeked them with internal graphic eq, distance, frequency and individual volume to set them up and WOW does this front sound stage sound great for not much money! I never run speakers flat, so tweek all you need to get them personalized to your ears.

@wooddragon576 Год назад

Thanks very helpful. They are very close, gen2 is clearer and better in the mids, but not significantly. In Canada they are normally about $250 apart in price, not sure if the difference is worth that, but Gibby's Electronics just put the gen 2 on sale for the weekend, ($120 off) so for that Id go for the newer one.

@lonniefarmer7067 Год назад

Thanks! I run an all Klipsch RP 7.(2 Predators).4 ATMOS so all new is a bit of a cost. This is great because my amp is programed for theater and stereo lfe so the mains are the big factor. Looks like it may be time to up my game off my 280FA's as I would not have done for the gen 1's.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! Give PHT a call when you're ready to pull the trigger. They'd be happy to assist! -Jason

@likesnoozn 2 года назад

Watching the two of you is like looking at Gen 1 and Gen 2!😉 Yeah they sound very similar on this end.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Haha - which is which? :p -Jason

@NikoAbston Год назад

it’s as if the first one inadvertently took too much liberty with musical bass (which sounds amazing btw) but it was addressed, refined and balanced on the II with a noticeably improved mid section. mids just sounded far cleaner and manageable on the II in this test from my speaker coming from youtube. thanks for the test guys. i ordered a II this morning.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! Have you set it up yet? What do ya think so far!? -Jason

@NikoAbston Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio yes! while I don’t use it for music unless a movie has it there, mine was specifically to replace my RC-62 which would screech my ears with some voices. The 504C-II was beautifully balanced in that regard. You guys just proved it exceptionally well with music and I appreciated that!

@midevil1980 2 года назад

Now that I own both, I can honestly say that I definitely like gen 2 more overall, especially in the vocal region, which is why I got it. Gen 2 just sounds more balanced/refined to my ears, and the slightly wider dispersion is a nice addition as well... You really can't go wrong with either though, they are both great center channels for their design type. 😉👍

@orionzey Год назад

Thank you. I like a lot the overwhelming strong deep masculines voice of Gen1. Is the gen2 sweeter?

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching and for your input! We love to hear the feedback of others who have these as well. Helps the community to hear everyone perspective! -Jason

@midevil1980 Год назад

@@orionzey- I personally found deep male vocals on the gen 1 to be a bit muddy/blurred or hard to understand at times, which I believe was due to a more resonate cabinet, and a slightly less balanced frequency response. I found the gen 2 to be better in those areas, which is why I like it more... Hope that helps... 🍻

@reaality3860 Год назад

It depends on the amplifier and source and is a matter of individual taste. To my ears, and through my Bose computer speakers, the number 1 was more forward in the tweeter, while the number 2 sounded fuller in the lower mid-base and more balanced overall.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Agree with your first statement for sure! We always recommend hearing in person where possible to see what you like better. Personal taste plays a huge role in all of these. -Jason

@tech4life884 Год назад

I was taught to set the center channel speaker to small no matter what size it is.

@johnnocanuck Год назад

I have a couple Klipsch RF-800, which are the same as the RF-82 as far as I know. What do you think about using one of them as a center channel speaker with the L & R mains being RF-8000F? The other speaker I could use as the center is the Klipsch RC-500, which is supposed to be a center. I have these speakers now; it's just a matter of choosing how to make the set. What do you think? (My surrounds and heights are also Klipsch.) Thanks!

@JohnSeitz Год назад

Imho the gen2 has a slightly deeper growl to the voices. Which I prefer. I know I’m wrong but I just use my system for movies and dialogue is king!

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Not wrong. Everyone has their preference! I lean toward the gen 2 as well. Thanks for the input. :) -Jason

@MrTompi25 2 года назад

I liked the video, good to know what you guys think about the differences after having the chance to listen them both at the same time. Any chance that you could make a "session" between the gen2 RP-8000F and Polk's R700 / Gen2 Klipsch RP-504C and Polk's R400 center channel? They are at very similar price range, both have good reputation and both line-ups are very new. I have just received my Onkyo TX-RZ50, and now battling between the two brands (Klipsch-Polk). Maybe you could make a comparison playing some music and also some movies. Maybe one is better for movies, the other for music or maybe one is just superior all around. Could use some help to make the right choice 😀

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Would love to but brands get a bit upset when you put them directly against eachother like that. Additionally, we would be accused to have bias since PHT doesn't carry Polk. -Jason

@MrTompi25 Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio That is a very fair statement. Thank you!

@justinluczak5611 11 месяцев назад

One thing to think about is break in. How many hours do you have in the gen 1 I would think that the gen 2 will sound alittle different when they break in

@tech4life884 Год назад

Gen 2 sounds like the sound is being blocked by something. Like a board in front of the drivers.

@04GEEDOGG Год назад

What device are you using to switch between the two?

@sIman1991 7 месяцев назад

I already have the 504c paired with the 600M as front speakers. Next year I move to a house and I will use the 600M as rear speakers. My plan was to buy the new 8000f II and using then as the new front speakers combined with the 504c. Is it still a good choice to pair the new 8000f II with the old 504c or would you recommend buying the old 8000f ? I mean I would mostly listen to music in stereo with a sub. The center and front speakers would only play together in movies and series. So old or new 8000f ? I can't afford to update the center. it's only 2 years old.

@theaterlightman89 8 месяцев назад

So i have a set of 800f's i got for $299; with the price point of $339 on gen 1 504c, what are your thoughts on that vs the next gen r-30cii at $499 the 30cii seem very bright and i was wondering if the gen 1 504 would fit with the standard 800fs being cheaper and from the signature line

@JCOTV Год назад

I recently bought an RP-8000f pair (on ultra super discount couldn't resist) to replace my 10 year old Onkyo tower speakers. Amazing sound with my RZ50 and Dirac live. Was wondering what center console get next, Klipsch 404c M1 or M2 (504c wouldn't fit). Maybe starting to get everything else on mark 2.

@CoconutBanger 7 месяцев назад

I bought the same towers as I couldn't justify paying 3x as much for the gen 2. What did you end up going with for the center? Curious if I should stay with Klipsch or search out a center with better dispersion.

@troysalter9625 2 года назад

subtle but there Gen 2 sounds like it has a little more ( seperation) in the higher freq.? and a little brighter , a good thing i believe in the center.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

There is for sure a difference (and it shows up more in person) but which is best for you is going to depend on your personal needs. -Jason

@zwoelfer2788 7 месяцев назад

It seems to me that Gen 2 still needs a little more time to settle in.

@daviddyer193 Год назад

Would you say it is worth the upgrade from the old gen I bought earlier this year? I think the next upgrade I do would be the rc6III.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

100% your call. For sure an upgrade but, if you plan to move to the 64, I would hold off and make the big jump instead of the smaller step. -Jason

@chrisjones6165 Год назад

Do you know how long the sale is running on the 504c 2? Don't know if I should buy it now or get kids more Christmas stuff lol 300 plus dollars off is tempting for sure

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Sorry, a bit delayed on this reply. That said, I wouldn't have known anyways. You can always give Cory at PHT a call to see whats currently on promo and what kinda deals are available. -Jason

@vidarjohnlarsen6709 Год назад

I like the gen 1 best

@SkylerOostra Год назад

I just picked up a set of Forte IV, and was looking at a center. 70% movies 30% music. Do you think the 504c II would work well? Or do I need to go with RC64 III? I have a Marantz 8015 as well

@TopShelfAudio 11 месяцев назад

the compression driver on the 64iii is a better match. Sorry for the delay. If you're still looking please call me, will be happy to send you one. 270-556-8427

@Theogwill 4 месяца назад

It’s sounds more dynamic with music, but a movie would have been also ideal to tested with.

@jasonpoul1 Год назад

How you compare the new 504cii with rc64iii? Is the rc64iii realy an upgrade? I hope you are doing a compare with theses centers. Thanks

@TopShelfAudio 11 месяцев назад

I mean at low volume they sound almost identical. Once you crank them up the compression driver of the 64 really shines. Things like dark cymbals, kick drums, glass breaking, just so much more realistic sounding. Not really much of a comparison at higher volumes.

@richardjones6660 7 месяцев назад

DId you guys ever do a comparison of the RP504C vs RP450C vs RP600C?

@everss02 6 месяцев назад

a RP600c wouldn't suffer from a bad crossover that the 504C/450 gen 1 had

@garyausten5939 11 месяцев назад

I just ordered a b-stock ii this morning (or was it after noon?) to go with my RP-600Miis. I'm looking forward to hearing how they sound in my room rather than on a computer. It will match a lot better than my r34c.

@MetalsForBrunch Год назад

Gen 1 sounds more like live openstage. Gen 2 sounds more like a recording not as open on vocals but clearer with tighter mid bass. Both sound good. I don't think ill upgrade.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching and for your input! -Jason

@edwarddesmond2975 Год назад

Also let me add this is a Center speaker and that anyone who has one would have fronts ,rears , sides and Subwoofer and the format would be Movies

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

typically, yes but everyone has different formats for listening and most systems today are multipurpose.. -Jason

@carmineDeG Год назад

Hi I wanted an info I took rp504c but I notice that the speech in the movies and low how come you can help me to understand how it is to set it to the best.!? Next door I have 2 r-800f

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! I'm not sure I understand the question completely but a good start would be to completely factory reset the AVR or processor and go through the setup guide. Adjust accordingly to your liking from there. -Jason

@carmineDeG Год назад

I will definitely do a restore also because I still have to mount 2/3 speakers and then I will restore it .. but instead as a 2/3 channel power final what do you recommend I have a denon 3800h

@KarazP 2 года назад

I just bought Gen 1 on mounth ago I think I happy with the gen 1 because it's sound similar to gen 2 for me lol But.... it save me 450 USD in my country price

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Price can for sure play a huge role in that decision making process! -Jason

@felixr6307 Год назад

Question! What are your thoughts on pairing the Klipsch RP504cii with the original RP8000f towers? Will my front stage timber match? I’d be upgrading from a 404c and was thinking I should go ahead and get the 504cTwo and not the original while I already have the RP8000f towers. I don’t plan on upgrading the towers anytime soon. Will this be a noticeable or painful mismatch? Or will the 504cii improve my gaming and movie watching experience?

@bumkrilla5339 Год назад

I'll answer your question if you use dps ly auydassy or direct they will eq the speakers to timber match you can get 8000f and 8000f ii to sound the same with eq if you don't eq then 8000f ii sounds more natural and better in my opinion

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

You may notice a slight difference. If you can't upgrade all at once though, we see this done all of the time and I don't think you will be disappointed at all, especially for a temporary transitional phase. -Jason

@felixr6307 Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio I upgraded to the 504cii dialogue is so much clearer.

@felixr6307 Год назад

@@bumkrilla5339 I am new to all this… I just ran YPAO on my Yamaha RXV6A.

@jasonpoul1 Год назад

Hi break period on the newone pass when made this comparation ? or doesnt matter?

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

I won't say break in doesn't matter but, they are both equal in this comparison as both units were close to brand new out of the box. Only times they were used were in our other videos. -Jason

@jhugo1986 Год назад

I have the much older 540c. Would it be worth upgrading to the new 504c ii’s?

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Depends on your needs as well as the rest of your system. Are you happy with your current system or is there a reason you are looking at upgrade options? If you are happy with your system, I don't see a reason to upgrade. If you find that you are lacking somewhere and looking for more, then maybe time for an upgrade. If you find you are lacking though, not sure upgrading gens would do the trick. Maybe there is an RC-64 in your future. :) -Jason

@jhugo1986 Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio yeah been looking at rc -64. Only issue I’m having is figment. Would have to get another tv stand to fit it.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

100% worth it. :) -Jason

@steliosapergis Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio i have the rc 62ii . Is old but the sound is good. You think worth it to change with 504 gen 2. My left right are 8000f . Thanks a lot

@wasteddude 6 месяцев назад

Does utilizing Dirac live narrow the difference between old and new gen?

@TopShelfAudio 6 месяцев назад

Room correction was never meant to be speaker correction.

@danemoreno88 Год назад

I had gen 1 4 series I just ordered the 5 series gen 2

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! got it hooked up? What do you think!? -Jason

@danemoreno88 Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio yes I have them hooked up and running they sound amazing very good bass and very dynamic & clear

@georgefotopoulos7467 Год назад

save money get the gen 1 and use the upgrade kit from gr research?...is that a worthwhile exercise

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

If you want to save money, you can get the gen one. they are still awesome speakers...but I would recommend leaving it as is as opposed to using any "upgrade" kit. -Jason

@mikebrennan8254 2 года назад

They sounded remarkably similar on our RU-vid end.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

There is for sure a difference (and it shows up more in person) but which is best for you is going to depend on your personal needs. -Jason

@mrSavov-oy7zr Год назад

PLEASE MAKE A REVIEW with DISASSEMBLING video on new Klipsch R600f 2022

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

We are considering doing an episode on this as well but didn't have time this season. Hopefully we can jump into it next season! -Jason

@mrSavov-oy7zr Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio Ok, when should we expect the next season... for them ☺️

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

No specific date just yet. Still working out the schedule and mapping it out. Make sure you're subscribed so you get a notification as soon as we are back! -Jason

@MrYamaha413 Год назад

sound from 1st gen is V shaped thats all the difference 😬 its better for music but not so much for dialog and voices where mids are more important where gen2 is more pronounced 🤫

@dreadedtred 2 года назад

What’s a kick ass amp/pre amp 5 channel 350-400 watt per channel?

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

There are a few great options out there. What are you looking to power? -Jason

@dreadedtred Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio what are they? Top 3

@DavidSantosGz 2 года назад

I liked Gen 1 more, but for the most part it was hard to tell a big difference. In some cases, Gen 1 sounded a bit harsh and the Gen 2 smoother, but Gen 1 won in most of the songs as in some parts the Gen 2 sounded a bit muffled to me and the brightness of Gen 1 worked better for me.

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching and for your input! -Jason

@renannepomuceno4268 Год назад

for gen 1 more tweeter and for gen 2 less tweeter thats the different

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Would say less about the tweeter and more about the horn. Horn, Cabinet, and Tuning are the big differences here. -Jason

@richardmorris8764 Год назад

Gen 1 sounds brighter, gen 2 sounds better balanced

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching and for your input! -Jason

@edwarddesmond2975 Год назад

Basically what I get from this is don't buy Klipsch I have the RP 280F the very first RP line and if Klipsch is going to bring out the Gen 3 why bother with anything out right now , Maybe try a different brand because everyone can't buy the newest

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Would completely disagree. If you can't buy the newest, a new gen is the perfect opportunity to buy old versions on sale. As mentioned in this video, previous gen still sounds awesome. Every brand comes out with new iterations occasionally. technology advances and manufactures are constantly trying to evolve. -Jason

@OrazCostanzo 7 месяцев назад

Very difficult to distinguish any real noticeable difference

@juniorhdez9168 Год назад

How about for movie?

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Great for movies as well as music. Check out the full gen II system review if you haven't already. -Jason

@TexasAxeSlinger 8 месяцев назад

I ordered a New RC-503C for $299 Mov 18th here in a few weeks. Have a 20x17 dedicated media room. Just received Epson LS12000 ‘ Denon 3800H still in box. I mean for $299 I’ll try it out. I may get the Big Daddy Center 64 iii . But I’ll test this and if I hate it, it will just go back. It’s all for movies, streaming etc. so I just need clear vocals.

@samoryTure Год назад

But gen. I now goes for $399 vs $800 for gen. II

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

The new gen is for sure a step up but, as you mention, price point goes up as well. Both are beasts and each individual will have to decide for themselves which is right for them. -Jason

@robertovargas6200 8 месяцев назад

they both sound similar .....

@user-wy5qh1os6n 5 месяцев назад

Привет из России. Всё очень клёво и интересно, спасибо. 1 вые кажутся, как Европейцы, худые и стройные. А 2рые кажутся, как Американцы, полные и крупные. И те и другие хорактером очень хорошие. Я выбираю себя, - 1вые.😮

@mitchflorida 5 месяцев назад

Do you guys ever listen to music?

@TopShelfAudio 4 месяца назад

some 90's rap every now and then, if that counts.

@Audioenthusatic 2 года назад

My opinion gen 1 sounds better...after seen this vedio....no much difference in hearing the sound..but Klipsch tower speakers have more difference in your previous vlogs..

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

I would say if you have the old mains, go with the old center unless you plan to upgrade mains. If you have the new gen mains (big difference in the 8000s new gen) go with the new gen center. -Jason

@Audioenthusatic Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio Thanks for your reply,,,Am using gen1 rp504c.and am planning to upgrade L R speakers. Should I go with new gen rp 8000f 2 or gen 1 rp8000f .pls advise your opinion...Is this new gen 2 speakers have drastic sound difference change from the old versions..for Tower speakers ..

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

The change is fairly drastic between the two gens. Check out the 8000 gen 1 vs gen 2 compare if you haven't already. I would lean more toward 2nd gen if the pocketbook supports, but 1st gen if you are looking for budget options. If you upgrade the mains to gen 2 now, you can always upgrade the center later if you want. If you stick with gen 1 for now and want to upgrade later, you will have to upgrade the full system at that point. hope that helps! -Jason

@Audioenthusatic Год назад

@@TopShelfAudio Thanks for your reply...will upgrade to new main gen 2 8000f and will stick with gen 1 rp504c .now ...

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Sounds like a plan! Hit up PHT when you're ready to pull the trigger on the 8000s. Would be happy to help get em to your door as well. -Jason

@waldoyew4247 Год назад

The the gen 2 is more balanced

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching! More tuned in. refined. :) -Jason

@ilyak192 8 месяцев назад

Its biorobots one Z one V

@corradogiacchetti2984 Год назад

Sembrerebbe che la prima generazione suoni meglio della seconda; nella seconda generazione il suono sembra più chiuso, meno aperto e spaziale e meno reale e definito! strano!

@TopShelfAudio Год назад

I personally like the gen 2 better but 1 is still great. for sure a different beast. -Jason

@TexasAxeSlinger 8 месяцев назад

Dude yet some sleep! Your yawning is making me Yawn too😂