It feels to me like the turrets of a ship take up relatively little of their weight. Obviously there have to be magazines, etc., but does this take up a huge amount of space? Could you build a ship just bristling with guns, say 3 turrets forward and 2 aft, each turret with 3-4 guns each? Does the size of each gun change the facilities needed to operate the gun that much?
If the battleship Salamis had been completed in the 1920s to a modernized design what would it have looked like? Especially since one of its turrets was lost when HMS Reglan was sunk.
My grandfather served on the ship in 1927, telling me about his world tour on her, the toil of coaling her, the absurdity of buying an overly expensive drink in an American speakeasy when better drinks were cheaper and available on his ship. If memory serves, all the sailors were selected on very rigorous standards for the 15,000 man German navy of the time, as they were expected to form the officer corps upon rearmament. This was certainly the case with my grandfather, who survived the war (being wounded twice on separate bombing attacks) and retiring as a Lieutenant Commander, having spent most of the war on mine sweepers and torpedo boats.
The Blenheim bomber that was shot down and crashed on board Emden on september 4 1939 was serial number N6199 from 110 squadron . It was piloted by F/O H.L. Emden .
My source : Bomber Command Losses 1939-1940 ISBN 0-904597-85-7 , page 15 . The rest of the crew are listed as : Sgt S. G . McK Otty , Sgt R.C. Grossey and AC1 R. Evans .@@arthurfisher1857
Fun fact: the Emden also discovered a portion of the Philippine Trench in 1927 that went as deep as 34,580ft (10,540m). It still carries its name to this day, though it's also known as Galathea Deep after its first exploration in 1951.
The WWI Emden is a ship worthy of many a hollywood film, but this one, she seems to have done little in her life in comparison to her predecessor. Either way, an Emden is an Emden, no matter how you slice it. It did lots for what it was and survived nearly the entirety of WWII generally unscathed.
Actually there has been a film on the event. It goes by the title, " Die Männer Der Emden." Sadly, it's all in German. But there is a copy here on RU-vid.
Since you're on the subject of German warships, it would be interesting if you could go into the sinking of the Ostfriesland by Billy Mitchell. From what little I know about it, this appears to be one of the most important naval events in the 20th century.
Of the bigger ships, only Prinz Eugen, Leipzig (in pretty bad shape though) and Nürnberg survived the end of the war in Europe. Leipzig was sunk as a waste depot for poisoned gas in 1946, Nürnberg was used by the USSR until being broken up in 1961. And Prinz Eugen... well, we know where she ended up. :(
@@untruelie2640not entirely true in Nürnberg’s part. Her fate is unknown. The Soviets said they scrapped her. But then again they said Arkhangelsk (Royal Sovereign) was unseaworthy, so I wouldn’t take their word for it
In 1940 there was also a planned refit replace her main battery with 4 twin 150 mm guns in the same turrets that armed the Narviks. On the top of the debate of whether she was intended to be initially armed with 4x2 150 mm guns, I think the prospect of the twins is more believable. I don’t think a ship being designed as a WW1 light cruiser with only minor updates to the design to be worth waiting a ship to be 2 decades to start building.
I bet it's gorgeous. What's she about 55-60cm long at that scale? I've thought about paper models, but worried about the fragility; my 1/350 model of Lupo is card & paper on balsa, with plastic and wire extremities for robustness.
@@AndrewGivens It's about 60MM long- Paper models are pretty sturdy, I have two that I made over 50 years ago. They're a bit tattered but still in reasonably good shape. I have many others that are solid such as the Goeben, Konig, Derfflinger and Seydlitz. My most recent one is the liner Kaiser Wilhelm de Grosse and it's a beaut!
As far as I know, five ships were named "Emden". The last, F210 was decommisioned in 2013. I would love to see a serie, covering ships serving under the same name.....
Nice video 👍🏻 showed how superpowers at those times used conditions treaties ( USA and Britain ) to guarantee 💯 their own superiors over highly sea ... prohibited 🚫 others having same naval strength ....
They did have reasons for prohibiting Germany to do so, as the pre-ww1 anglo-german arms race was both expensive and a partial reason for war tensions. And Germany lost the war, and they wanted to make sure they wouldn't quickly try again in, say, 1928 already And these superpowers also restricted themselves afterwards
In Europe, where ranges were normally shorter, leaders were more like ten-percent enlarged destroyers and light cruisers were very much big scouts at this time, with the London Treaty just around the corner about to change it all up. Only really the Pacific's ranges demanded scout cruisers to lead flotillas back then. But she's a lot in common, ergonomically, with a Tenryu or an Omaha - well, a good tier below an Omaha
Experienced naval designers developed a good sense of such things and could make a pretty decent estimate just by getting a good look at a ship. To quote the Royal Navy Director of Naval Construction who had seen the Japanese Mogami-class cruisers and got told the claimed displacement, “They must be building their ships out of cardboard - or lying”
The weight of the ship is pretty much set from the beginning, as the drawings have determined the waterline on them. And with a certain weight, the ship should sink into the water up to that predetermined line. So the weight of a ship is not just a haphazard number. Naval engineers should be able to estimate the weight of the ship and the volume of the displaced water (equal the weight of the ship).
What are your thoughts on covering specific naval planes (e.g. PBY Catalina) in videos, or would videos on planes be a topic that you'd need to bring in an expert, like the Seafire video?
Drach mentioned that she picked up the third 88 within a year of entering service, presumably when she got a new foremast and her rear funnel was heightened to match the other.
The germans sure loved to name at least one available cruiser Emden after the first one did so well. None of the follow-ups ever did something truly worthy of note though
Very good Video, but only one small error, the Reichsmarine and the Kriegsmarine had no prefixes for their ships. Only the Kaiserlich Marine had the SMS short for Seiner Majestät Schiff.
Drach has discussed this, and uses prefixes to distinguish ships (for example, the many WWI and WWII German ships with shared names) and a quick note of their origin, even when the services themselves did not. He's also used even more ahistorical nomenclature by reserving "HMS" for the UK navy, despite other, smaller navies that have used that construction.
The Germans made the most out of what little they had to work with.It's difficult to know that your newest ships 🚢 can not match up against even against the allies old and obsolete ships .
At one the German Cruiser Emden was the most powerful ship in game an could fight heh heh Clemson class destroyers, Derzky class destroyer, Town class 1940 destroyer, Raubtier class Type 1924 Torpedo Boats, A K class Sloop & the Elbing class Type 1939 Folttontorpedobootes yeah lucky those days are over... I hope we see the predecessor namesakes SMS Emden I & II Eventually added to that blasted game.
I have heard the reasons given and I still don't understand this German idea that ships must sink themselves if they might be captured. WW1 at scarpa flow, Graf Spree and most other ships. Such a waste of history.
So they should give their enemies functional warships? These aren't historical remnants at the time they're doing this; they're modern war machines beyond the capabilities of most nations on the planet to construct, and samples of classified technology as well.
As others have mentioned, I use an ahistorical prefix to distinguish WW2 era German ships from the WW1 versions that often share a name. KMS or DKM are often used in historical publications for this purpose. :)
Der besseren historischen Einordnung wegen, macht eine nomenklatorische Ergänzung wie RMS (Reichsmarineschiff) oder KMS (Kriegsmarineschiff) durchaus Sinn, egal ob diese innerhalb der jeweiligen Marinen verwendet wurden. Ich würde deshalb das 1925 vom Stapel gelaufene Schiff korrekterweise als RMS Emden ansprechen. Die 2021 vom Stapel gelaufene Korvette "Emden" könnte als DMS Emden (Deutsche Marine Schiff) bezeichnet werden. Für Schiffe der ehemaligen Bundesmarine oder Volksmarine wäre sogar das Präfix BMS bzw. VMS sinnvoll. Wer tiefer in die jeweilige Materie eintaucht, weiß ohnehin recht bald zu differenzieren. For the sake of better historical categorisation, a nomenclatural addition such as RMS (Reichsmarineschiff) or KMS (Kriegsmarineschiff) makes perfect sense, regardless of whether these were used within the respective navies. I would therefore correctly refer to the ship launched in 1925 as RMS Emden. The corvette "Emden" launched in 2021 could be referred to as DMS Emden (Deutsche Marine Schiff). For ships of the former Bundesmarine or Volksmarine, the prefix BMS or VMS would even make sense. Anyone who delves deeper into the respective subject matter will soon be able to differentiate.
