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Knees Over Toes - Exercises to Build Muscle 

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@TheKneesovertoesguy
@TheKneesovertoesguy 3 года назад
Marcus mastered the moves of Zero-Dense-Standards as fast as anyone I’ve ever seen! I personally think he’s the greatest training architect on earth. No offense intended to any other trainers, but that’s my honest belief. Getting to train in person with him proves he LIVES it. He’s in better shape than any pro athlete I’ve trained and I’ve trained multiple athletes on $100 million+ contracts. He’s also an amazing human being and to me, that’s more important than fitness. THANK YOU Marcus for your brilliance, passion and hospitality! Excited for the road ahead.
@BrandonChapin
@BrandonChapin 3 года назад
I always knew that dragging a trap full of leafs was good for you...I just found even greater motivation! YardFit is real!
@arminjujutsu
@arminjujutsu 3 года назад
Great people attract great people 💪
@b_ryc
@b_ryc 3 года назад
Wow! Big praise!
@obliviontimes
@obliviontimes 3 года назад
Best colab ever 🐐 🐐
@kettlebellmusclegain
@kettlebellmusclegain 3 года назад
Damn thats a big statement.
@JoeyBolducMovement
@JoeyBolducMovement 2 года назад
You guys are preaching some really quality stuff. I’m actually a movement coach myself, it’s nice to see you applying those same principles into the strength training world!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Appreciate it, man!
@JeeYaoKuneDo
@JeeYaoKuneDo 3 года назад
ALL EXERCISES, SETS & REPS + TIME STAMPS: ATG SPLIT SQUAT & UPPER PULL (3:00) 3 supersets of: A1) ATG Split Squat: 8-10 reps per leg (Tempo: 20X0) Rest 60s A2) Strict Pull-up: 8-10 reps (21X0) Rest 60s LOWER BODY POWER SETS (6:58) 3-5 sets of: Row 60s @ High Effort Rest 15s 12 Dual KB Deadlift Rest 15s 45s Reverse Sled Drag |Rest 2-3 min between sets| TIBIALIS & SQUAT PREP (9:56) 3 Rounds of: 1K Bike 20 Tibialis Raises (*scaled at 10:08) 30s Hanging L Tuck NORDIC HAM CURL SUPERSET (11:57) A1) Deficit Snatch Grip Deadlift: 4-6 reps Rest 30s A2) Nordic Hamstring Curl: 4-6 reps (51A1) Rest 2 min FUNCTIONAL PUMP CONDITIONING (13:47) For Time: Entry: 500m Row Then 20-15-10-5 of Goblet VMO Squat (53/35 lbs.) Ring Row Hanging Leg Tuck Exit: 500m Row
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
thanks for this!
@JeeYaoKuneDo
@JeeYaoKuneDo 3 года назад
@@marcusfilly Thank YOU for this cool video, Marcus. Was fun writing this overview. And someone had to do it (in this age of attention deficit) since you didn't, haha ;)
@lifeframedjw
@lifeframedjw 2 года назад
On the functional pump is this 4 sets at 20,15,10,5 seconds? What is the time goal? Also, any substitute for rows at home? Just use banded rows?
@JeeYaoKuneDo
@JeeYaoKuneDo 2 года назад
@@lifeframedjw It's the (descending) number of reps. As little rest as possible. You could rest 60 sec between each round/set. Rows are hard to substitute imo... But yes, bands are better than nothing.
@MB-sl3hx
@MB-sl3hx 2 года назад
@@marcusfilly can I do this all in one?
@sweetsue4204
@sweetsue4204 2 года назад
I’m a senior woman who found Ben because my knees started to ache, and everyone around me assumed that meant surgery was in my future. I knew better. Knowing that led me to Ben, and that has made all the difference in my life. Here’s hoping I can inspire others in my community to follow suit. Great video, by the way. 👍🏻👊🏻
@davegreene1198
@davegreene1198 2 года назад
I had the same approach at 55. Ankles were creaking up the stairs. Did my online research and went down the human health rabbit hole. I'm 62 now and stronger than I was at 50! Thanks ACV, keto and knees over toes guy!
@noname-bt9ky
@noname-bt9ky 2 года назад
How are your knees?
@damonm4156
@damonm4156 Год назад
Most just accept pills and pain the bandaid Ben Patrick is taking people off pills
@rugbyelite1361
@rugbyelite1361 2 года назад
Ben the kneesovertoesguy talks with the same 'out of breath' cadence no matter what situation he's in lol. He could be ordering a coffee at Starbucks and be like "and a large... Carmel...latte....that's will be hot, and I promise you, will be the most DELICIOUS coffee....I've ever tasted" 🤣🤣
@mwilliamson4198
@mwilliamson4198 2 года назад
I have a similar thing sometimes. It 's most likely from previously having anxiety/stress and some of the tension patterns remain in the upper throat/jaw muscles. It can be released by cranio-sacral rolfing and some other bodywork practices but it's pretty subtle stuff
@thispointintime
@thispointintime 2 года назад
I've been to a hundred different youtube pages involving ben, lifting, lower body/core routines, etc...your ability to convey thoughts/workouts and put it into a video made me subscribe.
@MindfulAttraction
@MindfulAttraction 2 года назад
If you don't play close attention you might miss that Patrick has an artificial knee cap LOL
@amilton1015
@amilton1015 3 года назад
Again thank you for more another amazing lesson with perfect audio too
@clap5
@clap5 3 года назад
Ben's is a great guy for sharing his methodology for practically free. I have taken all the advise he has offered and incorporated it into my training. After finally destroying my knees 2 years ago...I was just dealing with having knee pain. I continued to train through the pain. There are a few tools that helped a great deal in minimizing my pain. Such as a Theragun (worth the money)...I didn't realize how tight my muscles were, but also finding spots I didn't even know I was tight. Another tool that was somewhat effective were my Rapid Reboot compression boots. Helped clear out my DOMS after a hard training session. Once I found Ben and ATG through the Power Project Podcast I became a big fan. From there I incorporated quite a few of his movements into my program and actually replaced some of the movements with ATG's. I have noticed a reduction of pain, better range of motion, strength gains, which in turn has lead to better training overall. I also suffered with lower back pain most my life...I noticed a reduction in hip and back pain from simply making my knees and everything below it stronger and more stable. I realize now more then ever, having a strong base leads to stronger body in general.
@anitadelph920
@anitadelph920 3 года назад
OMG i needed this video. I'll definitely incorporate the Tib-raises.. I have a stubborn pain in my shin that activates during certain lunge movements.. mostly forward lunges, leg extension and sometimes the leg press machine. i thought it was a shin splint but have come to realize it isn't.. (no injury I'm aware of... but for the 1st 9 months of the pandemic I was running 32 bleacher stairs and possibly not using the right shoes). Thank you
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
awesome
@busyrand
@busyrand 2 года назад
Look into barefoot running and minimalist shoes. I was once an athlete with stress fractures in my feet, tore both my insteps, extreme plantar fasciitis, arthritic knees, and shin splints so bad I didn't realize that I was crying from pain as I ran... Ice Massage feet to knees and barefoot running along with the things mentioned her cured everything over months and years. My basic workout is a nice jog to a trail where I ATG lunge for at least 400 yards. I wish you the best.
@bt8153
@bt8153 3 года назад
Hi Marcus, really interested to see the series you’re creating combining your programming with Ben’s. This is exactly what I’m looking for being and long term knee pain suffer yet really enjoy S&C training. I’ve just signed up to persist - will series run as another option alongside classic, minimalist and body comp?
@devonpeters9458
@devonpeters9458 2 года назад
I would love to hear this as well, but haven’t heard back from him any specifics on how to combine the two programs in less than 60 minute workouts (or how he is going to do so with persist). Have you received a response or guidance?
@leonfdawson
@leonfdawson 2 года назад
nah
@TechOutAdam
@TechOutAdam Год назад
This video should have 1mil views because last year I twisted my knee hiking and was shook. I was panicking thinking my knee would be messed up for a few months and hiking season was over. Luckily it happened in the fall so there wasn’t much time left anyway. I started doing the ATG program and it’s the only thing that got my knees better than ever before doing the workouts. I’m truly forever grateful. Now I have no fears of hikes or being active in any way. ❤
@gunlover94
@gunlover94 3 года назад
Military really needs to get in board with this. Me and so many I know have terrible knees from years under heavy rucks.
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
definitely. hope to see more and more of them
@RobertGaron
@RobertGaron Год назад
😎How heavy are your rucks, how often, and how far?✌️
@JMA1710
@JMA1710 2 года назад
Great video! Are all these exercises to be performed in one workout session or are they set for different days? 🤔
@b_ryc
@b_ryc 3 года назад
Probably the 2 most revolutionary trainers in 1 room right there...
@Alex_carmichael
@Alex_carmichael 2 года назад
Yeah i agree
@kevinblack8512
@kevinblack8512 Год назад
Doesn’t the ATG split squat have the same affect on your knee/ knees as a hack squat- knees over toes squat with a load?
@FitFazal
@FitFazal 2 года назад
I will start to incorporate these exercises in my workouts straightaway and educate my community about these knee-saving moves. Thanks Marcus and Ben for sharing. Respect from Nairobi, Kenya.
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Please do. That's awesome to hear.
@camilaperez701
@camilaperez701 2 года назад
What's the meaning of ATG?
@robyncaddell5269
@robyncaddell5269 3 года назад
Watching your muscles on the reverse nordics damn so cool
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
haha thanks
@dssifter4043
@dssifter4043 2 года назад
I'm seeing some PTs decry this stretch, lunge ( Nick Jack, others) as promoting hip impingement , pushing hip into acetabulum, eventually leading to possible labrum tears down the road, could you please cmemt, address? Thank you
@macfanguy
@macfanguy 3 года назад
I just started the kneesovertoes program! Getting a good solid base before moving on to other things. Marcus, how well does your program scale to beginning functional training people?
@jacobdickinson5694
@jacobdickinson5694 3 года назад
His BASECAMP program is a great place to start. Highly recommended. I believe it’s now being sold as an ebook on his functional bodybuilding website.
@HumanLikeMan
@HumanLikeMan 3 года назад
Just started knee over toe about a week ago and it is a game saver for a 59 year old who wants to compete for years to come. Had a chuckle as I also set up my routine doing a superset with lunge and chin up. My second superset was glute ham raise with guillotine press. For core I threw in stability ball pass from hand to foot.
@robertsmith8699
@robertsmith8699 2 года назад
That clicking and popping sounds in his videos sounds like my knees and ankles
@benbrown9133
@benbrown9133 Год назад
I get an amazing leg pump from the reverse sled pulls
@copernicus_johnson
@copernicus_johnson 3 года назад
Another absolute gem 💎 Thank you for the awesome videos, Marcus!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
my pleasure
@RichardT1000
@RichardT1000 3 года назад
So do we do this in the order of video
@ezcompane
@ezcompane 3 года назад
Where can I find that cool tool that you were using for the tibialis raises? I think he said someone made it for him, but I'd also like to see a DIY to make my own if that's possible.
@joelwaititi9299
@joelwaititi9299 3 года назад
checkout animalhousefit monkey feet. they make something like this
@timcollins8214
@timcollins8214 3 года назад
The Petie Project did a DIY video on how to make one. It was a popular video so he started selling them too.
@michaelsears9496
@michaelsears9496 3 года назад
This video is so siiick!! So cool seeing our Tib bar on here. This video is ALL TIME!!!!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
loving the tib bar
@chriscrew4478
@chriscrew4478 2 года назад
Atg program looks great but was looking on how and where to add them into my lifting program. Some great examples here.
@RobertMcGimpsey
@RobertMcGimpsey 2 года назад
This guy is REALLY good!! Implementing for my young track athletes.
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
much love. thank you
@plp123
@plp123 2 года назад
Where can we get a sled so we can begin this exercise. We are both 75 now. We started lifting weights in our 40s & continued for 25 some years, but we haven't been faithful (especially me) exercising since I retired.
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
I would look for a sled from torque fitness. These are usable on any surface.
@binacristal6267
@binacristal6267 20 дней назад
Believe it or not, in my city there is no gym that provides a training sled to do the "Reverse Sled Drag". What can I do, besides walking backwards??
@mikeholland721
@mikeholland721 2 года назад
I am 63 years old I have had my rt knee replaced once and my left knee replaced 3 times. I just had me rt ankle replaced. Any recommendations?
@incorectulpolitic
@incorectulpolitic 3 года назад
What would you do before a sprinting session to help with ankle mobility and glut activation?
@lmc4964
@lmc4964 3 года назад
if I understand Ben correctly he seems to suggest that you have it in the tank for whenever you need it so wouldnt need to be a warm up as such. I take that approach and dont have problems but the "bulletproofing" stopped Achilles/calf issues I had sprinting
@santiagoperman3804
@santiagoperman3804 14 дней назад
For the tibialis, I put a 16 kg kettlebell over my foot, sometimes with a bit of deficit, and raise it only using the hand to stabilize the weight.
@truthsearcherforever3211
@truthsearcherforever3211 2 года назад
Check out Dr John Bergman from Huntington Beach CA. U will find his info valuable.
@brandiniron6112
@brandiniron6112 3 года назад
Awesome collab!!! Ben is legit. Good stuff
@ericsmovies6520
@ericsmovies6520 2 года назад
What’s that machine called where you’re pulling the weights with your feet at 0:47 ?
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
This is called a Tib Bar
@oaschbeidl
@oaschbeidl 2 года назад
Slightly off topic but as a long time barefoot/minimalist shoe convert I love seeing them more and more on health/fitness focused channels! When I switched to them they were such a tiny niche thing that nobody knew about, great to see them getting more widely adopted over time.
@andrewrossnagel9433
@andrewrossnagel9433 Год назад
Ben saved my knees and changed my life with just a couple videos. I am 33 and can do some impressive stuff but with my knee pain I felt like my gym days had an expiration date that was only a decade away.
@AkinaSpeedStarsAE86
@AkinaSpeedStarsAE86 2 года назад
Need something like this for shoulders
@Chiddychild
@Chiddychild 2 года назад
So you recommend to do the traditional muscle building exercises first and then after incorporate the ATG exercises?
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
yes
@timgregory82
@timgregory82 2 года назад
recommend switching that song
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@laralocatellofitness
@laralocatellofitness 3 года назад
Hello, where can the anterior fib machine can be purchased?
@jusuflazami9580
@jusuflazami9580 2 года назад
FENOMENAL PRESENTATION, ABSOLUTELY PLEASANT WAY TO WATCH , BRAVO!!
@kenjinishiyama4808
@kenjinishiyama4808 3 года назад
Hello Marcus, Thanks for sharing this awesome video. Could you tell me any alternative equipment for balance the calf. It is hard to find this equipment in gym and box where I’m going in Japan.
@calebeftychiou4344
@calebeftychiou4344 2 года назад
OKAY. CAN I JUST SAY. THE QUALITY OF THIS VIDEO IS OUTSTANDING
@adamsmith8283
@adamsmith8283 3 года назад
Great video, where did you get those straps for backwards sled drags?
@I_Ace
@I_Ace 2 года назад
Pause bruh 3:25 this is for the *ladies* out there😏
@alex2653
@alex2653 Год назад
Is walking up stairs backwards good?
@jamesr2936
@jamesr2936 3 года назад
Just subscribed, great info thank you!
@frankfromupstateny3796
@frankfromupstateny3796 2 года назад
The Atlantis company,.....can't keep up with demand on it's Nordic Machines. Really?
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
I got one. It is great. Seem to be doing well
@AlottaDixonCider
@AlottaDixonCider 3 года назад
Marcus looks like a 1990's lesbian when on his closeup cam.
@FreshwaterManlyBeach
@FreshwaterManlyBeach 3 года назад
Lol
@RobertGaron
@RobertGaron Год назад
💪No pushing movements for upper body such as pushups, dips, etc? ✌️
@jasonsani164
@jasonsani164 2 года назад
Great stuff Marcus!! Thank you for sharing this with practical application!!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Thanks! Glad you're finding value in it!
@backfru
@backfru Год назад
Went from Zero-Dense, to Baseline, then to ATG, then Young Athlete Roadmap, just completed Knee Ability Zero, finally about to begin Dense-Ass Ascension! So stoked
@jeffreybonner6895
@jeffreybonner6895 Год назад
Seeing Filly being unable to do a full Nordic makes me feel a whole lot better about my initial efforts. At a hard exercise. Can’t wait to get to rep 1.
@TyronPiteau
@TyronPiteau 3 года назад
Excellent, informative video. Thanks Marcus and Ben!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 3 года назад
happy to provide.
@shawnrise5362
@shawnrise5362 2 года назад
Pure love of Intentional Movement 🙏
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Always!
@jamiejaegel7962
@jamiejaegel7962 Год назад
I would like to share this with a pious older Catholic woman but because of language and immodesty I won’t share. I wish men could film as if a sweet 7 year old girl was watching.
@lillegrindalen6714
@lillegrindalen6714 Год назад
I feel like Ben is the Steve Irwin of the lower body. Also, “Ben” is the word for legs and bones in Sweden💁🏼‍♂️
@rickholzer708
@rickholzer708 3 года назад
Hey Guys! Hugs from Brazil! Why don't you combine this movements protocol with the Fernando Sardinha's technic (Ponto Zero), already approved by science? He is another Brazilian who applied some excentric principles to his sets and got science proved results....
@michaelmatthias9495
@michaelmatthias9495 Месяц назад
You look like a jacked will dafoe
@jamesgallant3553
@jamesgallant3553 2 года назад
I have been cursed with an unstable Upper head of my fibula on my right leg. This has been an issue for several years. This has obviously been a difficult issue contributing to a great deal of pain. Tried many therapies without success. Thank You. For any suggestions.
@AlexandruLuchita
@AlexandruLuchita 2 года назад
hi, could you please let us know where can we buy the tibialis trainer? thanks in advance
@nicolaos355
@nicolaos355 Год назад
ATG Goblet is a killer in terms of burn. It feels so much better and controlled than BB Squat.
@mikevaughn2074
@mikevaughn2074 2 года назад
Great stuff!! I did the deadlift and sled workout this am. Would you able to put something together incorporating his shoulder movements into your functional body building program?
@dkengland2292
@dkengland2292 Год назад
Where is Ben located?
@Mightycarloss
@Mightycarloss 2 года назад
Great video. Where can I buy the tibialis device from minute 8:00? Thanks in advance!
@intramotus
@intramotus 3 года назад
Love this channel but that dingley transition jingle I think I saw on a Japanese cooking show as they took some little green cakes out of the oven.
@10SoccerCrazy
@10SoccerCrazy 2 года назад
hi marcus. u are crazy shreded.. looks like real triathron athlete.. would u pls do a day of eating?
@mariolp2999
@mariolp2999 2 года назад
Amazing guy .. How old are you If I may ask Marcus?..
@MillennialPatriot
@MillennialPatriot 2 года назад
I always enjoyed the gyms tibilias trainer on leg day but little did i know of its knee protection.
@jk28416
@jk28416 2 года назад
if you want a truer comparison of natty vs PED, watch this video!
@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew
@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew 3 года назад
404 error for your ebook or email sign up. Would like to see an introduction to your training philosophy.
@italia1093
@italia1093 2 года назад
Where can I find this Tibialis anterior loading tool for the weights????
@t.blaschke7461
@t.blaschke7461 Год назад
Great conten, thanks a lot!! What angle has the board you're doing the squats on?
@davidmckissak2793
@davidmckissak2793 2 года назад
Set straight up in a recliner with heavy shoes or boot on. Pretend your kicking the botton of something switching feet until you get tired once a day for a two week. Will strengthen your knee and stop knee pain. Worked for me
@tildeath08
@tildeath08 2 года назад
Are the straps in the sled drag required or can you get the same effect by holding the handles?
@reneesantiago6496
@reneesantiago6496 2 года назад
Why would the KOT guy need assistance and hang on that box?
@jaymills1720
@jaymills1720 2 года назад
Awesomeness susbdcribed! Great camera! What is it lol
@MichaelRWright
@MichaelRWright 3 года назад
Awesome! ...and I noticed the Vivobarefoot shoes!
@Pro_Skillz
@Pro_Skillz 2 года назад
Cure knee pain by squatting atg? Yeah ok lol
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly 2 года назад
Have you watched Ben’s material?
@mayrac7778
@mayrac7778 Год назад
How we can do it at home
@TrueDaturaMindNz
@TrueDaturaMindNz 2 года назад
What if someone has really long legs i can't seem to get my femur horizontal like you guys ? is that normal?
@FC-dv1eb
@FC-dv1eb 2 года назад
Marcus, what a great video!!! I love your channel and your approach to training its brilliant!!! For people with bad hips (FAI) i still squat, deadlift but i always get scared of deep squats with hip pain.. Any experience/ advice on wether it is ok to do? Thanks
@vivianabernal7894
@vivianabernal7894 2 года назад
Hi, can you tell me where I can buy the step to elevate your heel ! thank you!
@enlinopre8414
@enlinopre8414 2 года назад
Soo informative, please make a video about buttwink
@bradd5961
@bradd5961 2 года назад
Marcus, do you cover lower back for those with bad backs?
@marcfrenette1599
@marcfrenette1599 3 года назад
Where can I buy that plate loaded tibialis anterior raise machine?
@nicholasfonti8139
@nicholasfonti8139 2 года назад
Where do you buy those straps that you use when doing reverse drags?
@hrantmotivationalhealthyli6091
@hrantmotivationalhealthyli6091 3 года назад
hi i need your support thank you 🙏✌️👌👍✋
@TomJBHmusic
@TomJBHmusic 2 года назад
Hi Marcus great video - what kind of angle range would you recommend for a floor wedge?
@TheLaxfizzle
@TheLaxfizzle 3 года назад
There are a lot of sentences and words in wrong places that make zero sense and mean nothing at all. Sounds smart, but actually what in the world are some of the sentences. is this what youtube fitness has become. Sad. Example: Time under tension has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with doing unilateral exercises...Flat out wrong and pretty brain dead. There are like 10 more I can point out if you want
@cudd2287
@cudd2287 3 года назад
This comment makes you sound brain dead .... For example 1 arm bicep curl, 15 reps with a 2 - 2 cadence and 15 reps with a say 6-2-6 cadence will have a far longer time under tension . The point is even tho these exercises seem hard and have a lighter load things like leverage and the time under tension should be able to make these sufficient at building muscle or strength. Same applies for a 1 legged or 1 armed ( unilateral) version of any exercise .
@reginaldhblackwood8474
@reginaldhblackwood8474 3 года назад
What is the name of the equipment and where can it be purchased?
@alexandermacarthur1571
@alexandermacarthur1571 2 года назад
Should I still include regular flat footed squats in my routine OR is the VMO squat more preferable across the board. Sport I focus on is Hockey. Nordic curls & ATG squat have already vastly improved my explosiveness, wondering if I should drop normal squats and focus on VMO's.
@MiguelHernandez-xj1rt
@MiguelHernandez-xj1rt 2 года назад
I would treat them as warm up or prehab. Your case is unique in that most of the time when your in a squatted position while playing the skates pretty much have your feet parallel to the floor, my 2 cents practice how you play but suppliment the lack of mobility with these.
@RichardT1000
@RichardT1000 3 года назад
So do we do this in the order of the video. From beginning to end
@donreinholz8121
@donreinholz8121 Год назад
Great video guys. I am using these exercises to prevent knee injuries while running playing pickleball. Good stuff!
@marcusfilly
@marcusfilly Год назад
Awesome!
@intramotus
@intramotus 3 года назад
This content and the explanations are excellent. Thank you.
@mwilliamson4198
@mwilliamson4198 2 года назад
Can't believe how articulate Marcus is for a jock. seriously wtaf....and such a good friendly vibe too :)
@gerrytyrrell1507
@gerrytyrrell1507 Год назад
Wow...Ireland
@klesstwo
@klesstwo 2 года назад
4:13 i have never seen bicep style aesthetics on a hamstring before
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