***SPOILER ALERT*** One observation a friend made when we were discussing costumes was how the asymmetricality of Helen-as-Andi's costumes signals that she is a twin missing a her other half. I have no idea if that was intended or just coincidence, but it certainly works well within the excellent costume design choices.
When tech bros in real life and in fiction wear casual clothing, it is not only about laying low, it is also an immense show of priviledge. They can come to a situation where you'd have to wear business attire in a plain grey t and still be taken seriously. Because they are rich. Whereas working class people have to dress up in suits and tie to be even recognized as human. Not to mention that these plain clothes somehow still cost a normal persons yearly salary.
@@PerpetualJoy They sometimes do if they're part of a wider organisation like a government department. I used to work in one, and the IT people wore the standard business attire most of the time. (We had "casual Fridays" but that applied to everyone).
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As a gay, I really like how the detective is dressed. Being gay is just an aspect of him & not his whole personality. I like this type of *normal*, casual representation. Also, his swimsuit is so fucking extraaa chic. Like, holy molly!
...Yeah, I completely missed that he was supposed to be gay. *sigh* I don't know if that says more about my gaydar (or just attractiondar in general) or their choice to be totally low key. I think if they changed one word in the single line Hugh Grant said, it would have been more obvious.
@@PrinceKyuu It's just that that's how so many gay characters are written. Especially ones from the 90s or earlier. They're very two dimensional and beyond being saying yass queen and giving advice to straight women about their boyfriends, they have no personalities or lives of their own.
@@asterismos5451 Nothing wrong with those type of personality, What's wrong is Non queer people propagating stereotypes. A lot of people that say "At least they dont make their pesonality gay" is most likely femmephobic at the least, that's why I asked to clarify.
I remember reading somewhere that someone knew something was off about "andi" from her first few scenes because of her sloppily tapered nails, which, an extremely posh woman like andi would not have. It's really a beautiful little detail of character building
'Andi' also enters the dock in the same cheap taxi as Claire. Birdie comes in on a local hotel's rickshaw, Duke arrives on his bike, Ethan Hawke is driven in a limousine, all in character, but Andi, an obviously well-dressed woman of wealth and taste, still arrives in a crummy taxi.
Very surprised we didn't discuss Duke or Lionel's wardrobes. We talked about Benoit showing up in a pink shirt but Duke showed up in pink pants and not a peep was said about it.
I think of Benoit as being like Poirot, who found that the "harmless little man with the accent and peculiar mustaches" persona wasn't in the least threatening. That would allow the players in the game to let their guard down and tell him more than they realized. So a dapper gay man with a cultured Southern accent would be perceived the same way. That comparison is *right there* the first time you meet him in Knives Out too; Poirot / Benoit!
Wow, these folks just missed so many layers of symbolism in the clothing designs to talk about how a pink shirt says a man is gay because he cares about clothes? Totally missed Norton's character outfits all referencing a certain kind of man, that Birdie is posing and wears high fashion runway outfits all the time despite not being a model for years and trying to relive what she felt was her glory days, her outfit during the party referencing classic diva outfits from cinema. The Sherlock Holmes references for Benoit, the way Duke goes from poser masculine to the more flowy outfits and shirts later and all the nerd culture stuff hidden away in his clothes. So many better things to talk about then the shallow options they chose to.
Yeah, that talk about Benoit's sexuality put me off. Not because I'm uncomfortable with his sexuality- I'm bisexual myself, so I love the representation- but the way Geisinger talked about it just felt very strange to me. It was like listening to someone ramble and being unsure of when they're going to make their point out of it- or if they ever will. She didn't even appear to ask Eagan if Blanc's sexuality influenced his wardrobe, she just seemed to assume that it did to talk about weird outdated stereotypes between men and fashion. I'm not even sure that it did, myself- Blanc is just a dapper guy. Also, with the thing she said about how the fashion a man adopts is supposed to say so much about him to others is something that applies to basically everyone in society- not just men. People are constantly judging both men and women's characters off of how they present themselves to others, but that's a known fact as it is, so I'm really not sure what the point of her talking about that was supposed to be since it didn't seem to go anywhere. Furthermore, the way that she brought up the point of Blanc's sexuality being confirmed being a sort of "pink-washing," even going as far as sharing accusations that Johnson didn't "do the work" (to represent LGBT individuals in a whodunnit story that doesn't involve the detective's sexuality) and then also go no where with that was just confusing. They may as well have just edited it out. This was overall a fine video- I always love to hear about the creative process, and I think Jenny Eagan's work is magnificent- but that segment of felt like lots of statements or questions with no conclusions. What was the point? It seems like there were other, more relevant things they could have discussed.
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395 he's literally from the south, where things are archaic, and she mentioned how his way of dressing would have been seen as metrosexual in another eye, but to hers, she sees the southern gentleman stepping into modern fits lol Y'all are so sensitive, it's weird
The sadly hilarious thing to me was I totally missed the gay. I just thought he had a casually clothed butler. Would have been more obvious if in the beginning his hubby/boyfriend had called him a pet name instead of Blanc. I guess that his bathing suit does sort of evoke the old school dandy sort of gay stereotype, but I figured it was just him being the kind of older guy who never dresses casually.
I love one thing about Benoit's outfit is the James bond references, the cuff for example is a turn back cuff, which is otherwise known as James Bond cuff simply because he made that cuff style famous, and his sunglasses he wore in the dock scene looks almost the same as the one Daniel Craig's James bond wore in Morocco, and his watches are the same he wore through his era as bond
People really don't understand that the best representation for queer characters is when it's not made into a big deal, bc being queer isn't a big deal. He's not Benoit: The Gayest Detective! He's the greatest detective and is also gay. We don't need it to be the defining fact of ourselves. I don't need hints that he's gay. His husband opening the door was just fine. And it being Hugh Grant was a great lil surprise.
this is how I felt about it as well. I just saw it as a little peep into his life. the fact that he's friends with Sondheim, that he's bad at Clue, and that he loves a man who happens to be Hugh Grant (which was a lovely touch). I liked that it wasn't a big show and let simple observation do the talking.
this is so insightful and delightful! costumes are one of my favorite things to think about in film, and this is such a nice breakdown of what some of the decisions were and what they implied about the characters!
Damn! It feels like we never get such thoughtful videos on company RU-vid channels. I usually have to go to individual creators for things deeper than surface level. I didn't expect any deconstruction allowed by anyone except Jenny Eagan - bravo Gabriella Geisinger & good one everyone involved for such a great video
No, you're right! In Ryan Johnson Breaks Down the Arrival Scene, he says in 2:26 that Daniel Craig asked for the Cary Grant reference to be included in his wardrobe!
I remember watching this movie for the first time and being slightly confused when I saw Andi at the dock, feeling like something was off, and then saying to myself “oh - she must have cut her hair? Or is this a different person?” Her hair is up in a towel in the first scenes she’s in, which would be unnecessary for hair as short as she has later. I dismissed it at the time, but in hindsight it was a brilliant little decision.
I hated the scene with Birdie and Whisky. It does pit women against each other but I think it's pure male gaze, Rian Johnson is projecting. Why would Birdie be bothered by Whiskey, a woman 15 years her junior? That makes no sense for the characters. That they don't welcome her into the friend group because she is cheating and of another generation - that makes sense. I was wondering about Blanc's bathing suit. It took me a while to figure out that he is wearing a one-piece (homage to Evil under the Sun and Poirot's outfit?). When I first saw it it just looks like he went into the pool with his shirt and necktie on.
Also, on Blanc being gay - It is better to not make it a big deal. Not every movie with a gay person in it needs to make a big deal about it. The fact that it's irrelevant to the plot and just, well, is what it is, is the point. Don't get me wrong, movies about sexuality etc have value, but not every movie with a gay man or lesbian woman needs to be about, or directly address, that issue. Sometimes, a person in a film or tv show can just happen to be gay, and...that's it. Like life.
I think the idea that gay relationships need to justify their gayness in media is flawed. We don't ask that of straight relationships, so why should we of gay ones? Sure there is an argument to be made about tokenism, but I really think that's just a matter of how it's handled, and I think here it works.
I suppose I am nitpicking something that isn't a 'nitpick',it isn't even in the movie... the presenter of this video said "The costume designer 'returns' to "Glass Onion" again" - How tf could she 'return' to work on a new movie?....I believe she meant the designer "returns" in another 'Who Dunnit" !
If you're talking about the line at the very beginning at 0:12, she doesn't say that. She says "about returning to work on Glass Onion." She doesn't say "again".
The costume designer also worked on the first Knives Out. So she’s technically returning to a sequel/film in the same universe, with the same lead character.
