Knute Rockne and Notre Dame Beating Army In 1913 Is the Most Important Game In History

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This video by Jon Johnston, titled "Knute Rockne and Notre Dame Beating Army In 1913 Is the Most Important Game In History" focuses on the significant 1913 Army vs. Notre Dame football game, a pivotal moment in the sport's history. The game is notable for its introduction of the forward pass as a key offensive strategy. This technique had been legalized in 1906 but was limited in usefulness due to various restrictions. By 1912, rule changes, including the specification of the football's size and the reclassification of an incomplete pass as a non-turnover, made the forward pass more effective.
Notre Dame, then a small, relatively unknown Midwestern school, faced challenges in gaining recognition and faced biases, including anti-Catholic sentiment. Their 1909 victory over Michigan brought some notoriety. Under coach Jesse Harper, they sought to play against more prominent teams, leading to the match with Army.
The game itself defied expectations. Army was favored, but Notre Dame's innovative use of the forward pass, particularly between quarterback Charlie Dorais and receiver Knute Rockne, stunned spectators and opponents alike. Dorais's effective passing and Rockne's innovative receiving techniques, including the first instances of catching on the run, revolutionized football. Notre Dame won decisively, 35-13.
This victory not only brought national recognition to Notre Dame but also dramatically changed football tactics. The game's impact extended beyond Notre Dame's rise in prominence; it marked the beginning of modern football, showcasing the effectiveness and excitement of the passing game. The video concludes with Johnston inviting discussions about other significant games in college football history and encouraging viewers to engage with and share his channel.
00:00 - Start
00:42 - A New Offensive Weapon
02:36 - Notre Dame in 1913
05:45 - Knute Rockne
09:18 - The Game
16:21 - Impact
18:59 - Conclusion
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@doomslayerobama 5 месяцев назад

Army was in such shock of this game that a hundred years later, the Army still refuses to accept the forward pass' existence.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Good point!

@FlairVSSavage 5 месяцев назад

Lol😂

@JJDSports2012 5 месяцев назад

Bravo

@chucknien74 4 месяца назад

😂😂😂

@scottmitchell1974 4 месяца назад

Ha! Well done.

@mathewfines8727 4 месяца назад

Thanks for all the history about "Norter Dame".

@garyavery2918 5 месяцев назад

My great grandfather Louis Hickey was the next door neighbor and sponsor of Knute Rockne when he converted to Catholicism, my father met Knute and always yelled “ it’s noot the K is silent “

@michaelmarz9341 3 месяца назад

I grew up in South Bend and Louis Hickey’s story matches what I know. Growing up I never knew anyone in South Bend to pronounce the K in Knute. I knew someone who knew Rockne when she was young. I asked her once if she called him Nute or K-nute. She said she called him Mr. Rockne.

@eltonjohnson1724 6 месяцев назад

I went to the University of Notre Dame (Class of 1976, same class as Rudy). I know a lot about the 1913 Army-Notre Dame game but yours has been the most informative study of the game that I have ever run across. Thank you very much for the video. P.S. Domers (as we like to be called) generally HATE Michigan. Your video explains one of the reasons why.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

I will examine that hate a lot more later!

@ryansteve2893 5 месяцев назад

Saying your a classmate of Rudy isn’t something a Real alumn would brag about. All alumni Ruettigers the obnoxious alumna.

@thomasburns858 5 месяцев назад

Hey Jon, it’s NOtre Dame, not NORtre Dame. Good grief.

@CornNation 5 месяцев назад

@@thomasburns858 well I know that dammit. I’ll try to do better in the future.

@SkylerinAmarillo 5 месяцев назад

We only hate Michigan when we’re playing against them. Of the Big Ten, they’re probably the favorite. I was class of ‘85.

@douglovejoy7818 5 месяцев назад

One of the best portrayals of this game is in the Tyrone Power Maureen O'Hara film, The Long Gray Line about West Point trainer Marty Mahar. Mahar's father after the game while counting his winnings from the bet on the "Irish," says to his son, "Let this be a lesson to you, son. Never bet against Holy Mother the Church."😊

@jayste9334 5 месяцев назад

😁

@chrisdher65 5 месяцев назад

💯

@dug5426 5 месяцев назад

One of the coolest channels I've ever found on this site Thank you for your work preserving football history

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! I'll try to do my best going forward!

@JP-su8bp 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for your presentation. Excellent combination of pace, depth, and clarity.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@davekemp9909 6 месяцев назад

Fred Gushurst, the other Notre Dame end was an integral player in the development of the forward pass. Accounts of the 1913 games state that his receiving of the passes were exceptional. The forward pass was as used in the University of South Dakota vs. Notre Dame in 1913. The South Dakota game was Harper's attempt at a Western game for 1913. He would soon schedule games against Nebraska in Lincoln. Gushurst was a native of Lead, South Dakota. He is a member of the South Dakota Sports Hall of Fame.

@rushedandlost 4 месяца назад

You give a good bit of history about the University of South Dakota, I have never heard of before. Thanks from western South Dakota.

@JJDSports2012 5 месяцев назад

Wonderful content. So glad I came across this channel.

@Gibes14 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for this outstanding video -- very informative. Don't know if it could be considered a most-important game in college football history, but the 1966 showdown between Notre Dame and Michigan State was the first "Game of the Century" I'd ever heard of. In an era when media hype wasn't anywhere near what it is today, there was a ton of buzz in the lead-up to that game -- late November, battle of undefeated No. 1 vs undefeated No. 2. Slightly unsatisfying outcome -- especially because, due to the Big Ten's ridiculous rule about no school being allowed to appear in consecutive seasons in the Rose Bowl (where the Big Ten champ would always meet the Pac-8 champ), and Notre Dame's equally ridiculous in-house rule about not playing in any postseason game -- neither team would go to a bowl game. But still, it was a great game. Ara Parseghian received a lot of ties as Christmas gifts that year!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

I will probably stay in the years of around 1880-1930 until I grow more and get accustomed to what resources I can and cannot use regarding copyright. But I hope to get there!

@anthonyperno1348 4 месяца назад

Good history! Enjoyed the presentation. Thank you.

@therealohio6647 6 месяцев назад

Hugely into the early years of the gridiron (the best days of the sport IMO), so I’m grateful for your new channel. I’d love to see some videos on the point per-minute Wolverines, Yost, the dominance of the Maroon’s with Stagg, & the days when Minnesota was a program no one liked to face. The 1870’s-1912 era is the most interesting of all of course. Great channel!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Funny you mention this, I will try to get a Yost 1901-1905 video out this week. It was on the list!

@DavidMatney 6 месяцев назад

Jon, great information! I always enjoy your content. Thanks!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@mullaneymike79 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the amazing content, subbed to both channels and both are great. This should be a course

@kevinito420 4 месяца назад

Liked and subbed. You’re doing a great job here man. I can see the improvement over several episodes. Keep up the great work.

@sentrygl 6 месяцев назад

Love your early college football history videos and wish there was more of this on youtube

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

I'm trying!

@epone3488 4 месяца назад

I simply cant think of football without these names especially 'Noot' (Bp). their mark on the modern game and play design is indelible. I'd love to see some history videos on the devlopment of play books, routs and defensive schemes etc the whole intellectual side of the game. Loving the coverage keep up the great work man.

@shempshempleton4746 5 месяцев назад

Great stuff. Thank you! Just subbed :)

@lvlionsfan5492 5 месяцев назад

This blows my mind! I was just thinking about who implemented the forward pass.

@edcew8236 5 месяцев назад

Rockne was killed in the crash of a Fokker Tr-Motor. "On the morning of March 31, Rockne and seven other men flew out of the Kansas City Municipal Airport aboard Transcontinental & Western Airlines flight 5. The Fokker F-10A had been inspected a few days earlier by a TWA mechanic who later noted that “the (plywood) wing panels were all loose… and it would take them days to fix it, and I said the airplane wasn’t fit to fly and I wouldn’t sign the log. Nobody was safe in that airplane.” " Apparently the cause was bad glue joints, helping spur the development of all-metal aircraft.

@Crtnmn 4 месяца назад

That was great. Thanks

@rossrreyes 5 месяцев назад

In 2023 Notre Dame is still a small school with 8,500 undergrads. Schools like Michigan and USC have 50,000 undergrads

@jeffah3103 5 месяцев назад

Should be either NotER Dame or NotRA DAHM. But never NotRA Dame! A historian should know that.

@kenw2225 5 месяцев назад

NORTRA DAME.

@kenw2225 5 месяцев назад

NORTRA DAME.

@ryanyoder2694 4 месяца назад

@@jeffah3103Being a life long ND fan and a French student I find myself conflicted on whether to pronounce it in the correct French way or the midwestern way I’m accustomed to 😂

@a.j.wilkes6352 18 дней назад

I enjoy your videos. "Heretofore referred to as 'Rockne' for the remainder of this video..." was good for a chuckle.

@Sohocobblestone 5 месяцев назад

15:28 The University of Notre Dame IS in Notre Dame, Indiana. Most people say South Bend, IN, but the school is officially in Notre Dame.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

I did not know this!

@michaelmarz9341 3 месяца назад

@@CollegeFootballHistoryEarly in its history The University of Notre Dame successfully lobbied for a Post Office designated Notre Dame, Indiana. The “city” of Notre Dame includes only the campus. Your first step off campus to the south puts you in South Bend. I should add St. Mary’s and Holy Cross College campuses which are adjacent to Notre Dame also use the Notre Dame address.

@UlyssesGrant1865 6 месяцев назад

You just earned a sub. Great job!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

thank you!

@frankkoumaros 4 месяца назад

Great videos! I would hope one day you do a video about Gil Dobie and his undefeated run at Washington.

@davidrudd6550 5 месяцев назад

The growing realization of AirPower as a weapon of war parallels the aerial offence on the gridiron. I’m sure there was an “aha moment” by army spectators as they saw the future laid out before them.

@funkybayatPK 5 месяцев назад

Well Done and excellent oration/presentation.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@huskerchuck9212 6 месяцев назад

From Nebraska's perspective, the 1915 Nebraska-Notre Dame game was significant, much because of Notre Dame's 1913 victory over Army. How about the 1916 Georgia Tech-Cumberland College game? Wish we had video of either of those. Or the 1945 Army-Navy game and the 1966 Notre Dame-Michigan State game. Great job again, Jon. Happy New Year!

@8avexp 5 месяцев назад

The second half of the the 1966 ND-MSU game exists in its entirety, as do both scoring drives that originated in the second quarter. Film footage of the entire game also exists.

@DonSMDT 5 месяцев назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-doZzrsDJo-4.html Jon Bois did a pretty good video on Georgia Tech - Cumberland

@dannyrobledo9017 4 месяца назад

Fuckin' love your content...just subscribed...I've always been curious about the history of the development of football as we know it today...do it bro...keep your shit coming...

@CollegeFootballHistory 4 месяца назад

Thank you!

@davids9520 5 месяцев назад

By 1909 Michigan had left the Big Ten. The dispute between Michigan and Notre Dame was about whether certain players being allowed to play in the game between the two teams. Michigan did not return to the Big Ten until about 1918 or 1919.

@ASMRPeople 5 месяцев назад

Notre Dame vs Army has this feeling of Norse tails, a thing between history & legend. These are undoubtedly real games that happened, but little film exist. The stories of the games were written by poets like grantlin rice. Let's not forget the 24 game was where he compared the ND back field to the four horsemen. Also the 28 game was knee said win one for the gripper later portrayed by Ronald Reagan.

@geoffaldwinckle1096 5 месяцев назад

Oh sir, in terms of pronunciation, you are a man after my own heart. Further, i agree, too many people pnly see issues in the context of the last few years.

@TheForgottenMan270 5 месяцев назад

Another person who I feel revolutionized todays football is LaVell Edwards out of BYU. His team won the national championship in the 1984 Holiday bowl. Because if that the NCAA came out stating that national championship games could only be played after the New Year; and BYU was relegated to the Holiday Bowl as the best bowl game they could achieve. So they weren't allowed to play after New Year's day. He went on the have multiple undefeated seasons with multiple one loss seasons. Even had a Heisman winner. There were chances LaVell could have had multiple championships, but was denied of any further opportunity because of the prejudices against him and his team. Then the BCS system came out and no "non-Power 6" was allowed to go to a BCS bowl game. Lavell's team busted that. Because they went 12-0 there was a lot of outrage because they earned the right to go. So a lawsuit was filed and changes were forced to happen.

@kevinblatter2369 5 месяцев назад

LaVell Edwards obviously did not invent the forward pass, but he built is offenses around the forward pass. It's not one game, but he changed the thinking that the forward pass was for more than "3rd and long" situations.

@charlesandrews2360 5 месяцев назад

@@kevinblatter2369 Mouse Davis at Portland State was doing that before Edwards

@paullinsay115 5 месяцев назад

You need to get Bill Belichik to be a guest host after the season is over. He’s a genuine football historian and knows everything there is to know about the game.

@colinmerritt7645 4 месяца назад

He can hypothesize how Notre Dame would have done with deflated balls!

@greggergen9104 5 месяцев назад

This game is covered and re-inacted in the movie "The Long Gray Line, a docu drama about WestPoint." The movie was made in 1955. The movie only has them passing in the second half after being behind at halftime.

@thecraigster8888 5 месяцев назад

The game was just one highlight of the history of West Point in the 20th century as portrayed in this Hollywood version of events. One point it brought out was that one of the Army players was cadet Dwight Eisenhower who just happened to be president when the film came out.

@greggergen9104 5 месяцев назад

@@thecraigster8888 Yes, in the movie I remember they said of his graduating class that included Dwight Eisenhower: "This is the movie the stars fell on."

@goodmaro 5 месяцев назад

The term "docu-drama" is a recent one, so are you sure that was its 1955 title?

@seahil 5 месяцев назад

Well done. ‘90 Thanks!

@hughkills 5 месяцев назад

"Newt. My name's Newt. Nobody calls me Rebecca, except my brother."

@BadstreetMI 4 месяца назад

How ironic that Notre Dame wanted to join the OG Big Ten in the 1890's, and were refused; yet in the 90's and 00's, the Big Ten would have done anything to get Notre Dame as a member.

@Pseudify 5 месяцев назад

It would be amazing to see this game on video.

@richardjames4528 5 месяцев назад

Could you imagine IF an incomplete pass resulted in a turnover today?! Would definitely be 100% a different game!! Might be fun!!

@charmkenpo 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for all the history. Interesting commentary on the pronunciations. At least in the Mid-Atlantic, the South Bend school is pronounced "No-ter Dame". We have some local schools in Baltimore that are pronounced "No-ter Dom".

@brandonhinrichs4393 5 месяцев назад

No its not its french and its No-ter-Dom. Its americans that are mispronouncing french words

@l34l 5 месяцев назад

College Football is football in its most pure form, I'm glad that somebody is honoring that fact. The best of lucks.

@anthonyperno1348 4 месяца назад

ND, playing a weak schedule because of the prejudices against them, had been murdering teams all season long before meeting Army. Winning multiple games by scores of 50 and 60 plus points several times. But Army was unaware of this. This is how good an Army team ND beat so baddly that day was: Army in its other eight games would give up only one TD and several FG for 21 total points for the entire season, save for the 35 point butt kicking they got from ND. Army had five shut-outs.

@MichaelSmith-xb5cp 5 месяцев назад

For those that haven't yet, it's well worth the time investment to go back and watch all the videos in this channel in serial order. Guaranteed you will find out things about early college football you did not know.

@rickiovine2170 Месяц назад

Fascinating. It had to be quite a sight for those fans in attendance. Army did have an answer, I believe, but there was no way to know this at the time. Since Army’s defensive line was much larger, and Dorias was very small, they could have rushed forward putting pressure on Dorias. When they got to him they could have laid the leather on him and made him less confident in this new attack. My guess is that a well coordinated rush by the Army’s five defensive linemen would have disrupted the timing of Notre Dame’s well rehearsed aerial attack. If there was a pocket he would have been flushed out. I am not sure if he was ever sacked but I am sure the Army lineman were much taller, and with arms up as Dorias was trying to find his receivers there could have been many passes batted down. Of course, this is in retrospect, and pass rushing was unheard of.

@tmbarton1961 5 месяцев назад

The term "Irish" or "Fighting Irish" did not become Notre Dame's official nickname/mascot until 1927 and the official mascot, the Leprechaun, was created in 1964 by sports artist Theodore W. Drake. Notre Dame paid him $50. What a deal for Notre Dame! When Rockne coached, his pet dog, an Irish Terrier, was the unofficial mascot. When Knute Rockne played football, Notre Dame was called either the Rovers or Ramblers because they did not have a football stadium. Their entire seasons were away games. The school's administrators hated those nicknames because they felt that football was emphasized more than academic studies. The nickname "Fighting Irish" was not a favorite because many students and alum were not of Irish descent. The nickname "Fighting Irish" became the frontrunner for the schools new nickname in 1919 after Eamon de Valera, who eventually became the 3rd president of the Republic of Ireland, said, "The language you use here, the ‘Fighting Irish’ … what we actually mean mostly when we talk about it is an indomitable spirit, a commitment, never tentative, always fully committed, to life itself … that's really the spirit of the Fighting Irish."

@groverw7507 4 месяца назад

Wonderful accounting of a milestone. Another history topic involving West Point might be their Heismann winning duo. Another legend is Oklahoma's Bud Wilkinson coaching an unbeatable record 47-0-1, Notre Dame ended that winning streak.

@williamt.little1972 5 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed this video! Most informative. Well done! I would suggest only that the narrator work to learn the correct pronunciation of NOTRE Dame. The way he says it is kind of distracting... WTL - UND Class of 1973

@surfdocer103 5 месяцев назад

Knute Bless You!

@ElectTimProbst 4 месяца назад

Great report. Notre rhymes with rotor. ND '92.

@nickhill934 5 месяцев назад

Wonderful job! Automatic subscribe for me and I will tell my friends! Fascinating topic that I think could provider fodder for essentially infinite stories. And coming at a time when the contemporary game is undergoing seismic changes, which I think is great timing for such a channel. One tiny piece of constructive feedback - I think you should think about changing the “boom” sound effect between chapters. You have a wonderful production style going here - concise but conversational while making great use of visuals, but I found the “boom” sound to be a bit out of step. Maybe use something topical like the sound of a whistle blowing, or the sound of a hard hit, or a crowd cheering or jeering, or a quick blast of drum line, something along those lines! Wonderful job, can’t wait to catch up on your prior videos while eagerly awaiting your next!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. You make a good point. I would like to make these as watchable as possible given my limited editing skills. Ha!

@nickhill934 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory I think you are selling yourself short! The only reason I even took notice of something so nit-picky is because that I found your production otherwise to be really top notch. Keep up the good work, looking forward to more!

@jamesholt3758 5 месяцев назад

Army - Norte Dame game in the mid 1920 when Grantland Rice, the legendary sports writer coin the Norte Dame backfield, “The Four Horsemen. None of the Norte Dame backfield touched the scales above 170 pounds.

@CharlesBest-fi2yi 5 месяцев назад

1912 Carlisle vs Army with pop warner and jim Thorpe was another look at football rules and heroes ("Ike") play as a linebacker for Army . great book and alot of trick plays.

@nickdarr7328 20 дней назад

Sure didn't expect to hear cedar point mentioned in this video

@joetely8102 5 месяцев назад

A great history of this era is found in “Shake Down the Thunder” by Murray Sperber which recounts the beginning of big time college football!

@merccadoosis8847 5 месяцев назад

Hi Jon Terrific video. Enjoyed it very much, well deserving of many more views. First, to me it is and will always be NOOT Rockne. Anything else is unAmerican. Second, the forward pass was initially used by Walter Camp back in 1876 though it remained in disrepute. Third, in the 1913 pic, Rock looks like an old man even though he was only 25! Fourth, over the years I have read that Gus Dorais was held to be the bigger star back then. But as you said, Rock was a great self promoter and ultimately got the attention which led him to get hired as coach at ND. But Dorais played professionally and had a great career as college and pro coach. Fifth, you made one error in that the huddle was invented earlier than this game. It was invented by Gallaudet (School for the Deaf) in Washington DC on or about 1880. Great video ~ keep up the good work!

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

I've gotten another comment on the huddle bit... and I can see that I'm going to have problems with who invented what. There are so many conflicts. For example, Allison Danzig's "History of American Football" says Stagg invented the huddle in 1896 because he was indoors and apparently it was so loud the players couldn't hear. Thing is.... I don't think I really care who invented what when I do these, because there are so many references to different coaches claiming this or that, and when things were invented doesn't matter as much as when they came into widespread use. Or maybe it does. So much of this stuff is regional. And contradictory when you really dig into it. I think this is going to drive me crazy as I continue on!

@merccadoosis8847 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory Ha, ha. I promise you that I certainly was not trying to start an argument or any form of discord. Like Will Rogers said many moons ago, _all I know is what I read in the newspaper._ It was back in the 1960s when I first heard of this story from Gallaudet (am now in my 70s). And if you Google "origin of huddle", the link does include a note re that school for the deaf. Well, let every one believe what they choose. In any case, it's great to learn about the history of this great sport that we cherish so much. Please continue to produce great videos like this one!

@royveteto4134 5 месяцев назад

i am sure you will do a video on the creation of the game played between southern california and notre dame which led to more games played between teams from different regions

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

There's a lot of history to cover. I'll eventually get there!

@SkylerinAmarillo 5 месяцев назад

Almost everyone at Notre Dame says “Noot.” While there I was taught that he pronounced it “Canute” but no one else did. However, I’ve never heard “Notre Dame” pronounced “nor-tra” dame before. Where do you get that “r” sound? Very odd. You can put on airs and pronounce it “no-tra dame” or you can pronounce as almost everyone at ND pronounces it, “noter dame.” Nor-tra dame is flat wrong. But I did enjoy your history lesson. I learned some things. Thank you.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Well.... I think years ago there was a Notre Dame guy in my life and I found a way to pronounce it that really irritated him and now it's stuck in my head. Hahahahahah

@paulhelman2376 5 месяцев назад

Hope you do a presentation on Friedman who perfected the FP.

@joelpeebles4157 5 месяцев назад

Gus Dorais, a Chippewa Falls, WI native was the QB at Notre Dame from 1910-1913, he and Knute Rockne helped revolutionize football with the forward pass. In the legendary game against Army, Dorais threw for 243 yds, at the time, an astonishing total.

@josephl.billman5815 4 месяца назад

I would love to hear about the Carlisle Indians and Jim Thorpe from that era.

@BB-ry2nd 5 месяцев назад

1984 Orange Bowl--the rise of Miami and the other Florida teams, a focus on passing as opposed to running, and a focus of speed over brawn (first really dialed in by Switzer) but showcased in this game.

@georgeloquvam2550 5 месяцев назад

the 69 game between USC and Alabama

@mr.g1758 5 месяцев назад

1970 and '71.

@scottdebrestian9875 5 месяцев назад

Genghis is actually correctly pronunced "Jengis" -- it's closer to the Mongolian (usually written "Chinggis") and "Ge-" words in English usually have a soft 'g' -- Gem, General, Geography, Gesture, etc.

@Pseudify 5 месяцев назад

I don’t care if kanoot is correct or not. It sounds both ignorant and pretentious - I can’t decide which one more so.

@bubbahomeskool 5 месяцев назад

It's "newt". Love the video & the channel. ps. it's "notre", most people say "noter".... not "noRtre". Keep up the good work.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Look below! There's another dude who says he's a third generation alum and it's pronounced "Noter".

@nedcassley5169 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory It was originally supposed to be pronounced in the French way: Notra Dom. But the American pronunciation is Noter Dame. "Notra Dame" is incorrect.

@pbockhorst 5 месяцев назад

He’s talking about the extra R you’re putting in there. “Nortre”. I agree it was distracting. But appreciate the video nonetheless. Good research.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

@@pbockhorst Yeah.... I will work on that to get better in the future. I am not sure where I got that pronunciation.

@tonecapone8021 4 месяца назад

16:13 Notre Dame is technically in Notre Dame, Indiana. From Wikipedia: "Notre Dame is a census-designated place and unincorporated community north of the city of South Bend in St. Joseph County, in the U.S. state of Indiana. It includes the campuses of three colleges: the University of Notre Dame, Saint Mary's College, and Holy Cross College. Notre Dame is split between Clay and Portage Townships. As of the 2020 census, its population was 7,234."

@CollegeFootballHistory 4 месяца назад

I did not know this before. know I do.

@goodmaro 5 месяцев назад

10:13 The word "huddle" entered the rule book in 1921, so a lot of people assume it hadn't been used until 1920. Actually teams did huddle, they just called it a "conference". "Huddle" was a perfectly fine existing English word that eventually came to be used rather than saying something like, "The team then grouped for a conference." Since there was no rule against huddling, it had probably been done for some years by then, although a referee could decide they were delaying the game illegally. The team entitled to scrimmage the ball could even carry the ball into the huddle, since the requirement that the referee "spot" the ball by placing it as and where it was to be played from was not instituted until, IIRC, the early 1920s. (Waldorf, Bronfield, and Beck, the sources at my fingertips at the moment, are silent on that, so I could be off by a good number of years.) Until then, the linesman would mark the spot with a stick, and it was the offense's responsibility to put the ball down and play it from there. Extreme forms of quick play were possible wherein a tackled ballcarrier could pass the ball as a snap while laying on his back or the like, and the kick forward in scrimmage, as an alternative to the snap, was allowed too.

@huskerchuck9212 6 месяцев назад

Oh, and I'm sticking with *Nute* LOL

@kenlodge3399 6 месяцев назад

I can't believe this, but I gotta say something cuz it's driving me nuts! The 'K' is silent. Now I know you know that already, but you're going to insist you don't which is doubly irritating. Like what is it... what do you ka-no, that a ka-night drops his load upon the road before toilets were invented. Or don't Ka-nock it till you've tried it, e.g., ka-nit, ka-nife, ka-nee, ka-nick, ka-not, ka-noll, ka-nuckle, and so on. So gee-wiz, it must be "Noot", oops, oh so it must be Knute! But gotta add I really like that time period cuz they also had names like, Alonzo Stagg, or Fielding Yost and Fritz Crisler. And a hundred more. Really enjoyed the video, thanks for posting it.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

The problem is this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pkVmAiWx8ls.html at :38 seconds. Canoot Rockne. That I and years ago I worked with a Knute in my life as an IT Consultant. He was a Canoot and he got fairly irritated if I got it wrong.

@markchristie4231 5 месяцев назад

Spes Unica!

@fritzkep 4 месяца назад

Ave Crux!

@leoscheibelhut940 5 месяцев назад

Great video. Btw, the subtitles are faulty though.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Tell me more about this, please. It is important to me to get this right.

@leoscheibelhut940 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory If you watch your video, Notre Dame is spelled several interesting ways, such as "Not yourdame", "No ter dame", No terdame", etc. and Knute is sometimes spelled correctly but sometimes "Newt" or "Nute". There are some other oddities of spelling as well. Even though I'm a ND grad and fan, I really appreciated you setting the record straight about the origins of the forward pass, giving credit to Rockne's predecessors.

@goodmaro 5 месяцев назад

Since according to the 1906 rules a pass was completed by merely being touched by a player, it was common to send a bunch of offensive players, whether eligible to receive a forward pass of not, into the vicinity of the intended receiver, so that if the receiver or an opponent touched but didn't catch the ball, the offensive team had greater numbers to pick up the loose ball. So there were reasons it was less common to try to throw the ball to a receiver running in stride. Even today, pass interference rules don't apply once the ball is touched.

@anthonyperno1348 4 месяца назад

I am confused by the statement that the crowd was there for free. I ran into the classic news article (the one that created the famous saying) which was in the paper the Friday night before the game, advertising that tickets were on sale for the game up at West Point the next day. So not sure why it would have been for free. But I must state I can not reptoduce the article because I read it years ago not on the Internet. So my memory might be bad. About the famous line: A small college from the west. Here is what I remember about the name The reporter in the advertisement apologized to the reader that he didn t know the name of the small college Army was to play, but that they were located in South Bend Indiana. That much he knew. He promised that by the time of his follow up of the game on Sunday, he would know the college's name. This line then became altered and immortalized in the film The Long Gray Line when ND is referred to as "That small college ftom the west." The following Sunday the reporter gushed all over Dorais, repeating as the narrator says the word "spiral" over and over again in the article.

@mikebronicki8264 5 месяцев назад

Notre Dame has had a US Post Office since 1851. The University is therefore located in Notre Dame, Indiana.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

WHAT!? I have never heard this before. I saw a reference in a book about an article that referred to "Notre Dame, Illinois" but I could never find the actual source in the newspapers. But ND having a post office.... didn't know that.

@mikebronicki8264 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory I have relatives working at both Notre Dame and Saint Mary's. I'm pretty sure all 3 colleges, including Holy Cross, have Notre Dame addresses.

@MrCubFan415 5 месяцев назад

4:09 Notre Dame: “And I took that personally.”

@daviddickey1994 5 месяцев назад

Great video. The Alabama Rose Bowl victory in 1920 something was a big one especially for southern football. 1910 Vanderbilt- Yale 0-0 tie but another big game for the south. 1969 Arkansas Texas Shootout, not only a great game to conclude the 100th year of football but said to be the last game with no black players on either team. You gotta get somebody that knows a smidgen about football to do the sub titles. North Terdame?

@theOlLineRebel 5 месяцев назад

He’s saying Note-Tra-Dame. This is just a tad different from a common high-brow pronunciation of “Note-Tra-Dahm”. It’s not far off.

@BB-ry2nd 5 месяцев назад

Arkansas completely blew that game. Dominated the first 3 quarters, up 6 in the red zone late in the 4th--threw a pick in the end zone and Texas drives down the field and wins it at the end.

@hughcorrigan3265 5 месяцев назад

Rockne might have been a great self-promoter, but you can not site the 1940 movie as an example as he was dead when the movie was made. Other than that great video. I am looking forward to the video on the ND-Michigan hate.

@mikebronicki8264 5 месяцев назад

As a coach Rockne needed no self promotion. He lost 12 games in 13 years and had a .881 winning percentage.

@azul93gt38 4 месяца назад

It's not clear that Rockne credited himself with the invention of the forward pass. Films tend to simplify elements of a story.

@LadyAnuB 5 месяцев назад

A video you need to do is on the 1951 University of San Francisco Dons football team. Who, thanks to the racist _s in the southern college football world at the time, did not invite USF to any bowl game. The book on this team: Undefeated, Untied and Uninvited: A Documentary of the 1951 University of San Francisco Dons Football Team

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Agreed. Nobody knows about this. I barely know about it. i have a long list to go!

@ddfelix4829 5 месяцев назад

The R in Notre comes after the T.

@cliffgulliver4626 5 месяцев назад

My sister insisted it was rock knuteney. Trying to cheat at trivial pursuit.

@garydavis8213 5 месяцев назад

“Knoot” makes you sound more sophisticated.

@mrsnakesmrnot8499 4 месяца назад

Italian grammar rules: G followed by an I or an E softens the G to sound like a J. Example: George. If an H is placed between the G and the I/E, the G is not softened. Example: spaghetti. People like Marco Polo would have pronounced Genghis like Jen-gis.

@goodmaro 5 месяцев назад

Probably the McGill-Harvard series would be the most important. Had Harvard been stymied for much longer in looking for rugby competition, conceivably they'd've acceded to play versions of football other college teams were playing, and there's no telling what the IFA game would've wound up looking like. Soccer was catching on as a participant sport with the general public, and it's possible the collegians would've decided to go with that flow -- or it's possible they'd've gone with something like the New York game. Maybe Yale's influence would've led to adoption of the Eton field game.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Okay, who are you and how do you know all this stuff?

@goodmaro 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory I'm just this guy, you know? (Hitchhiker's Guide quote.) OK, like you I've been researching this stuff for many years. I guess I was a bit lucky to get in to see David Nelson to talk about the rules. I visited NCAA's and NFSHSA's HQs, only to find out later that the New York Public Library had a slightly fuller collection of Spalding Foot Ball Guides than did NCAA! I took a lot of hand notes, but mostly stored stuff up in my head. I finally worked up the nerve to start playing rugby in 1981 after having watched it played near me by my elders for over a decade. I started coaching children in football (though I have no children myself) in 2007 on what was close to a dare by some coaches on Delphi's single wing, etc. forum. Back in the 1970s I collected all I could of the rules variations being used by minor adult leagues. I visited the Canadian Football Hall of fame and corresponded with Frank Cosentino. I followed minor league men's and later women's football for a few years. However, I don't make RU-vids. My RU-vid channel is mostly of my homemade fireworks. (The other bit is Bob Blumetti doing a ritual.) If I did RU-vids, I might do an analysis of my friend's TV show _Lost_ , which only I understand, but the background info I'd want to include would have too much copyrighted material.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

If you Domers are coming in and hearing that bit about Canoot vs Knute - my confusion comes from this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pkVmAiWx8ls.html Check it at 38 seconds in. It is the trailer for Knute Rockne - All American, the 1940 movie. While doing research I came across that and wondered "Have I been saying this wrong for all these years?" so I thought I'd ask.

@tml721 5 месяцев назад

Ohio st vs Mich, had plenty of big games. the blizzard bowl being one of them

@80cn2000 4 месяца назад

Notre Dame was NOT the first - Saint Louis University is credited with throwing the first legal forward pass in college football on September 5, 1906. During a game against Carroll College, Robinson's pass hit the ground untouched and resulted in a turnover. However, Robinson was able to connect on a 20-yard touchdown pass later in the game, and St. Louis went on to win 22-0. -

@CollegeFootballHistory 4 месяца назад

I covered St Louis in another video on the early foundations of football in this playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLAti6r2hzjA0txdecWJeMou5YvFMS24T7

@notredameandcoltsfan564 4 месяца назад

They were the first to use it as a strategy. Before that day, teams would only use the forward pass as an emergency when they were down in the closing minutes.

@James-mm6jh 4 месяца назад

Hail, hail to Michigan!!! GO BLUE!!!

@jerryengelbach 5 месяцев назад

Strangely, he makes much of whether Knute is pronounced “Kanoot” or “Nute,” but pronounces Notre as “Nortra.”

@MilkFire1 5 месяцев назад

It hurts to hear it.

@davidrodgersNJ 5 месяцев назад

The forward pass was not "discovered." The rules were changed to allow it.

@TheMarkGoudy 5 месяцев назад

Exactly. It was being used back in 1906.

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

This is all covered in the channel's beginning series - this playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PLAti6r2hzjA0txdecWJeMou5YvFMS24T7

@ed056 5 месяцев назад

It was common for immigrants to 'Americanize" their names. My Grandfather chance the spelling of his last name from a 'Z' ending to a 'S' ending. So I suspect that Knute would have been pronounced with a silent 'K' as common in English such as 'know', 'kneel' and 'knife'.

@dr.thomassheldengriggs924 5 месяцев назад

Speaking of pronunciation, I never before heard the school called "Nortre Dame."

@Sauveguy 4 месяца назад

Actually it was the Carlisle Indians who were the first team to use the forward pass in a big way in 2907. I found this out from reading The Real All-americans by Sally Jenkins. Let's give credit to the real innovators of the forward pass. Btw Pop Warner was their coach, the team's superstar was Jim Thorpe.

@CollegeFootballHistory 4 месяца назад

You might want to watch the videos in this playlist from that time period: studio.ru-vid.comPLAti6r2hzjA0txdecWJeMou5YvFMS24T7/edit

@roberthorning8768 5 месяцев назад

I have a book titled Frank Leahy and the Fighting Irish copyrighted in 1947. It had belonged to my grandfather.

@lesyankee6129 5 месяцев назад

Important game: Rutgers 6, Princeton 4. In 1869. Go Scarlet Knights!!

@kenw2225 5 месяцев назад

Back when you could be 150 lbs and tough and play top level football. Now it's 6 5" 265 or you're too small, unless you run a 4.4

@52flyingbicycles 5 месяцев назад

*Ding* You have discovered The Forward Pass “Pass is caught: Diggs! Sideline! Touchdown!” - Joe Buck

@brucehartnell1475 5 месяцев назад

Have you done a video about how the safety came into the game?

@CollegeFootballHistory 5 месяцев назад

Not specifically, but I did do a series on the major rules changes from 1869 - 1912. The playlist is here: ru-vid.com/group/PLAti6r2hzjA0txdecWJeMou5YvFMS24T7

@brucehartnell1475 5 месяцев назад

@@CollegeFootballHistory My understanding of it coming about was from a game in 1925, Michigan versus northwestern, that was played in such a downpour that there was three inches of water on the field the whole game. In those days, if you took a safety you kept the hall afterwards. Northwestern kicked an early field goal and held Michigan scoreless until they got bottled up near their own end zone near the end of the game. They took the safety, kept the ball, and ran out the clock, beating Michigan 3-2. This upset a lot of people. My grandfather was a coach on that northwestern team…