@@ToolsMethodsPhilosophiesI got the 3/8" drive 8-19mm deep and shallow set from tone from Amazon Japan for less than the price of just the koken shallow 3/8" 8-19mm set. So, I'd say about 30% to 40% less than the koken depending where you get them. They are beautiful sockets too. They have a beautiful finish, very nice broaching, and are just very nice, high quality sockets. To me, they look identical to the koken set. Not the koken zeal series, but the regular koken series. I would wait for Amazon Japan to get them back in stock because they are much much cheaper than the other sellers who currently have them for sale right now on Amazon. I believe I got the complete set for just under $100, but again, that was from Amazon Japan, and they are currently out of stock from Amazon Japan right now.
Sorry - I probably should have put the question I was responding to - lol. I think they're both excellent sockets. The Z-series are more expensive, but shorter and feel extremely heavy-duty. I don't think the "regular" Ko-ken set is "cheap" as in low-quality, but they have more mass to work with. The Z comes with a nice rail also. :)
You need the nut grip, surface drive, and 12 point. Then semi deep and deep. Then 1/4 and 1/2” drive. Then all that in impact. Don’t forget the swivels. It gets expensive real fast.
@@ToolsMethodsPhilosophies Honestly, I don't have close to all of that, and as just a DIY'er (though a pretty active one) I don't think I need it. I have a lot of sockets because I'm crazy, but I could do just fine with my core set - standard 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" in chrome, 3/8" long (all 6-point) and a regular set of 1/2" impact sockets in standard and long. I've gone affordable on extensions and swivels for the most part, and that kit has been great for me. If I were a working pro, I'd probably feel different.
@@themessygarage I agree as a fellow DIYer and I was just joking. Nut grip koken sockets are awesome and make some work easier. Just buy a common one for $10 to test yourself