Kona EV + hi-performance Michelins = best bang-for-buck dynamics hack! | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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You know how I always say ‘never modify a new car to do what you want it to do’? Well, when it comes to the Hyundai Kona Electric after 7000-ish kays, I am really quite pleased I didn’t take my own advice on that. Details next.
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This is such a huge difference in underlying character - huge boost for driving dynamics in all conditions - and incredibly cost-effective, when you think about it. Like, it’s just over one per cent of the price of the vehicle.
Tyres are actually the most cost-effective automotive performance modification of all time - because they bolt straight up, and they enhance acceleration, cornering and braking. Show me the other mod which can do so much, for so little. All you need to bring to the party is skill.
So, 400 kays down the track, split between the ‘burbs and the open road...
The biggest single difference is lateral grip. Which also means more roll too, which makes the electron-powered Kona feel more confident during assertive cornering.
More progressive transition from grip to slip
Better on-centre feel and positive return to centre out of a bend. You also get better high-speed stability - and stability transitioning the crown for overtaking.
Better - astoundingly better - in the wet. It’s a complete dynamics character change.
Tyres all look black and round, but there’s a vast difference between the crap ones and the good ones, and these Michelins are very good. There’s an amazing amount of tech - so here’s just a small insight…
Tread specificity - outside for grip, concentric ring for high-speed stability and inside edge for water dispersal
No spare for the Kona EV - you get a mini compressor and some goo. So a plug kit like this one can pay a real dividend on the open road. It won’t fix all punctures but it will keep you mobile after a simple puncture. I got mine from Sparesbox.
Noisier, and probably won’t last as long. Quite expensive. But you get what you pay for - and you can certainly buy tyres from brands you’ve never heard of for less than half the price. But my strong advice is: don’t penny-pinch on tyres - you never know when that extra grip might save your life, or someone else’s.
Overall, a tremendously positive change. I found them selling online for about $230 each (although Hyundai supplied these ones free and pre-scuffed from a previous assignment). I understand why all carmakers fit eco tyres to EVs, but if you understand driving dynamics, upgrading to a set of high-performance tyres like these Michelins makes a world of difference - it makes driving the vehicle safer by giving you higher limits, and it’s a lot more fun … if you’re into that.

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@hopebear06 3 года назад

Absolute best tyres I've ever driven on in 35 years. Just got home from aquaplane level rain. No issues at all. Excellent investment.

@RobertSmith-di5ll 3 года назад

Careful John - independence is your strength - best wishes

@GOINFINITI 3 года назад

INdependence means exactly that - giving an honest review - not a bribed one - so I am always looking forward to recommendations from reliable sources such as John

@philiplee7604 3 года назад

It was a “ Paid promotion by Michelin “ you will never get a 100% truely independent review when any RU-vidr is being paid by their sponsor.

@MT-eb2dx 3 года назад

@@philiplee7604 lol, the sponsor was Olight in case you missed it. The tires are simply the best wet tires there are, no need for sponsorship. Everybody knows it.

@letsseeif 3 года назад

The safety proposition of a simple the tyre upgrade, trumps the small loss in range and/or economy.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Totally agreed. x10

@SirBunghole 3 года назад

Agree. Went from the factory Hankook to a Michelin CrossClimate. Cost me fuel but saved my bacon.

@wobblysauce 3 года назад

some people have different priorities... save now or save later.

@mavcomart 3 года назад

I have driven on Michelins for 40 years. I have tried to describe the grip vs slip characteristics of Michelin tyres to people. I failed but you nailed it. With every car I ever purchased, I could hardly wait to get to new Michelins. Even my wife can tell the difference and that's saying something. Money well spent. Thanks John 👍

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

They do excellent work. That's for sure.

@thatGuyRULES123 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC I'm glad to hear that Michelin does so we'll, as I'm looking at importing some Cross Climate 2's for my X-Trail as I live near Jindabyne, and work in the snow fields

@SirBunghole 3 года назад

Never skimp on anything between you and the ground. Bed, shoes, tyres.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

Parachutes.

@Weissman111 3 года назад

Good to see the guy using a torque wrench on the wheel bolts - I avoid those that use an sir gun to tighten them.

@ElectricCarAustralia 3 года назад

I was impressed to see the new MG ZS EV comes standard with Mitchelin Primacy 3 215/50/17 when I picked it up a couple of weeks ago.

@TastierBackInThe80s 3 года назад

John in 2020: "DONT modify your car!" Also John in 2020: "Modify your car, it's cheap, and it's awesome!" But I so want a Kona electric.

@speeddemon0117 3 года назад

It's my car. I will do with it whatever I want.

@DylanFahey 3 года назад

@@speeddemon0117 You can't make me !

@simonhusseymusic 3 года назад

Thanks John. Tyres are everything and just maybe the difference between arriving or dying. Shame most don’t see it that way. Nice choice on the Pilots.

@JWL-UK 3 года назад

Totally agree. People should be educated about tyres, key differences, etc when they apply for a licence and every time it's up for renewal.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

@@JWL-UK They're still trying to educate people not to talk/text and drive, or driving around the gates at level crossings/grade crossings, let alone tire/tyre education.

@garrypointer 3 года назад

Nice choice of tyres John ..tanks for your precise reviews.🚘

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

No worries, Gaz.

@Evil12monks 3 года назад

Thanks for the video gives me something to watch on my lunch break at work.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

My pleasure, Michael.

@themaconeau 3 года назад

1:25 I saw the light, Electric Jesus! 😂

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

He does that to folk...

@garrypointer 3 года назад

Nice line mac .au .ACDC

@GOINFINITI 3 года назад

Agree 100%. I always put the best possible max performance tires, no matter the car - and the safety bonus (besides pure performance) that comes with them is the best improvement you can get.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Yes - people often overlook the 'safety' aspect of performance tyres.

@SpencerHHO 3 года назад

In a strange way I am actually pretty happy you are doing sponsor spots. goes to show that even unfiltered though you are, smart companies see the value in your viewers and following.

@albertkang1052 3 года назад

AGREE! It's a different world. I have become a tyre enthusiast because my wife can't tell what I did to the car. I have fitted many different tyres and yes, the PS4 is a very good tyre for Australian roads. (Fitting a PS4S won't make a huge difference) I also recommend the S1EVO3 from Hankook.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Hankook is massively under-rated. They do good work. (But all the premium brands are quite close with their direct competitors...)

@mamba101 3 года назад

Just fitted Michelin pilot sport 4S to my car, has transformed it

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

They are excellent.

@donbrackenreg2270 2 года назад

Living in Regional NSW, if I were to look at buying a new car (my 30 year old 75s Land Cruiser isn't even run in yet), I would not even attempt to back out the driveway unless I bought a full size spare wheel. As you say, the tyres are the only thing keeping your car pointing in the right direction, and if you do a five wheel rotation, you get a free extra 25% wear.

@patrickfogarty5809 3 года назад

Got rid of factory fitted conties and have ps 4s plus now. The old car has 5 year old ps 3 with over 40K on them. Still going strong. Bestvtyre ever and worth the money

@AquaMarine1000 3 года назад

Tyre plugs are a temporary repair for tubeless tyres. Tubeless tyres are not really tubeless but have a built in air tight liner which if punchured should be inspected and repaired with a patch from the inside. A patch will stop any chance of air being forced along the plug and into the tyre casing causing delamination and failure. I hope this helps. Cheers

@vmac11k99 3 года назад

...and the second best place to test lateral forces is down old Pac Hwy to Brooklyn with a belly full of fish and chips, while Berowra Waters road is better taken on empty stomach.

@Charles-wq1uh 3 года назад

Best cure for a puncture is a spare tyre especially in the dark and or wet. In Australia no spare is silliness.

@CathodeRayNipplez 3 года назад

I am constantly gobsmacked at how some tyres are even legal. Crap tyres on a Porsche turns it into a Beetle. People spend tens of thousands on a car with 'safety features' then throw it all in the bin skimping on the only thing that actually attaches to the road.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

They even buy retreads in performance sizes (some people...)

@t0ymad 3 года назад

We just fitted some Pilot Sport 4 on our Toyota Voltz (no it's not electric, but it was made in the factory that is now owned by Tesla). We replaced some Bridgestone RE003 and Toyo T1 Sport, in a similar size to the Kona being 215/50-17 just a little narrower. The Michelins are noticably quieter than the previous two types, so I was quite surprised that you said that they were noisier than what was on there before. The thing we have found is that they feel quite vague when you are pushing them unlike the previous UHP tyres, however they have more grip and appear that they will last longer. My wife loves them, so it looks like I might be switching my preference from Japanese to French! I found out years ago that the right set of tyres can really make a car, like you and Jason Fenske seem to both agree with.

@gashy1000 3 года назад

Great info John, well Michelin tyres in our family go back a long way, Dad used to run Michelin ZXZ tyres on his HT Premier in the mid 70' s, which he regularly drove as if it were stolen. More recently though, my daughter traded her Kia Rio in on a Sportage for her move to work in Bourke NSW. Anyway the Sportage was equipped with Michelin tyres, unsure the name of but they were 215/70 x 16 and by far the best sized tyre to suit a vehicle I have ever seen. Perfect width, excellent platform to carry that vehicle, spot on height in the tyre wall for cushioning less than average roads in the outback regions and spot on again in rim diameter for riding over the same. Very well done to whom ever was incharge of tyre selection. And under my draconian style supervision of wheel rotation combined with wheel alignment, balancing etc 90,000km was achieved out of the 5 wheels. I would get my black marking pen and number the tyres so when they were rotated, I would know if the dickheads were doing it the correct sequence and more than once they were caught out. Cheers.

@paulpellico3797 3 года назад

my daughter's tiguan has only 42kon it but the original tires are horribly aged, almost splitting along the sidewalls from rot. i knew I had to replace. chicago being the closest version of hell on earth in the winter, I knew snow as an issue. after weeks of searching and reviewing, the tires I chose are the Michelin cross-climate. extremely weird looking and the design is radical. but so glad I put em on. solid and extremely quiet for an all-sean all climate tire that tested so well in snow. was surprised later to see the review by engineering explained...loves it as well.

@gregsullivan7408 3 года назад

I'm a chauffeur, and haven't looked back since moving to Michelin Primacy 3ST (now Primacy 4). Same effective cost as the cheapies, due to the much better longevity (120,000 vs 60,000km), excellent grip in the wet (don't push it hard enough to assess dry grip) and very quiet.

@Crosshead1 3 года назад

I just fitted a set of PS4s (215/45x18) to my BN Mazda3 SP25 GT, replacing the original Dunlop SP Sport Max TT. Wow, what a brilliant tyre. It’s transformed my Mazda. Really confidence inspiring. And for us real tyre geeks, it’s interesting to note that the 215/45x18 size is made in Spain while all the other sizes for the PS4 I’ve seen here are made in Thailand. It seems to have much deeper rim protection than the Thai made product.

@Crosshead1 3 года назад

Just took them for a bit of a run on one of my favourite stretches of road, the Old Pacific Hwy from Cowan to Hawkesbury River. It rained on the run back up the hill. It seemed to make virtually no difference to their prodigious grip. Bloody brilliant. Get yourself a set. You won’t regret it. And no, I don’t work for Michelin.

@dazaspc 3 года назад

I got a deal on these pre scrubbed/2nd hand tires. You should never scrimp on tires. Way to give a clear message John.

@granthoughton769 3 года назад

Quite agree, quality tyres are where it's at. So how many km"s would you reasonably expect from these? I run Nitto Invos (fourth set - Honda Accord). Whilst a bloody fantastic tyre, 25,000 is all I can expect. Admittedly this from quite windy, rough as guts, "Kiwi quality" tar seal drive to work. 36,000km out of a lower spec Continental MC6 set on the same car as a comparison. Never tried the Pilots, might just have a crack.

@What_I_Make 3 года назад

Good topic would be low noise tyres.

@gregsullivan7408 3 года назад

Michelin Primacy 4 are very quiet on my V8 Caprice. I'm a chauffeur so don't push it hard, but I get excellent longevity (120,000km), and they also grip very well in the wet.

@richardagent1924 3 года назад

Citroen has started making the Ami EV, a 6000 Euro vehicle. It's a two seater with a 70km range and 3.5 hour regharge time. Unfortunately it's a quadricylce, a 'car' which in France you don't need a driving licence for, and a 14 year old can drive Top speed 42kph and no requirement to meet crash testing, just like those electric bikes and scooters. Perfect for a second car.

@stevelloyd5785 3 года назад

I note your tyre guy doing what you warned not to do, I.e. use the impact drive to put the nuts on the studs.

@jamesplotkin4674 3 года назад

Noticed that, as well. Perhaps he could turn the impact super-slowly to "feel" thread engagement. Still, I don't do it that way.

@Rawkus919 3 года назад

Yeah I woulda slapped him.

@8700s14 3 года назад

4 ugga duggas is spot on for wheel nuts 👍

@paulpellico3797 3 года назад

my wife freaked out at spending so much money this month on tires. and as john says, tires are the , or one of the, most important upgrades and actual features of your vehicle . so I looked at her and explained that tires...and brakes, are things I gladly pay more for the best of.

@jpkellerman7056 3 года назад

Always have two sets of rims with two very different sets of tires. One set made of expensive glue to hold you firmly attached to the road no matter the situation. On the second set you Chuck the cheapest and lowest grip tires you can obtain bonus points for directional tires fitted wrong way round or slightly worn tires for absence of tread, these make for smoke machines and used for slow motion racing. Nothing like drifting in the rain at slow enough speeds that you can just get out and walk if things get spicy not to mention all the time in the world to react when you cock up. It will be the slowest and most fun racing ever I promise.

@KenanTurkiye 3 года назад

4:37 slip & rip ! Great content Mr. Cadogan.

@davidwright5739 3 года назад

Do you still buy tyres from Tyroola?

@MT-eb2dx 3 года назад

These tires are truely amazing performer!

@levelflightvideo 3 года назад

Best tyres I have ever had on my Subaru's

@bradz9413 3 года назад

Sweet camo bro

@woodandmetalandstuffpauldo8561 3 года назад

John, I had the same tires fitted to the 05 SV8 commo about 2 months ago, The car has factory fitted FE2 suspension (Holden called it the Police pack) and now combined with the pilot sport 4 tires it feels better than it has in years, I can actually turn off the traction control in wet or dry weather and not worry about facing the wrong direction at the worst possible time. PS: purchased the tires from Jax tires in Bankstown, fitted and wheel alignment $750 shitsvillian micro pasos.

@allanapplin250 3 года назад

Would be interesting to hear back regarding the number of kms you actually end up getting out of the Michelins! I think you may be pleasantly surprised.

@gregsullivan7408 3 года назад

Indeed - I was more than pleasantly surprised when switching from cheapies to Michelin Primacy 3ST on my Caprice - better in EVERY way, and the significantly better mileage from the Michelins resulted in the same overall running cost.

@guanghunglo3594 3 года назад

Had PS3's on my Kia. Did about 45k before needing replacement. Replaced with PS4's. Great tyre.

@minimumtrade 3 года назад

I run Michelin PS4S 19" and Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 5 17" on my two cars. Each gold standard tyres and would absolutely recommend.

@garageblitztv3215 3 года назад

No messing around John - straight to possibly the top 3 or 4 tyres (tires USA) on the market... Also cheers for the Olight discount - managed to sort out some Xmas presents in a flash 😉 plus it was a good excuse to upgrade an old 4 cell maglite and an LED Lenser. Cheers mate 🍻

@Neofolis 2 года назад

I have not had my Kona EV long and I still have the standard Nexens all round. They are not a great tyre by any metric. The rolling resistance and noise level are OK, but hardly class leading. I suspect I won't go the performance route, probably something like Michelin Premacy or Goodyear Efficient Grip, both of which are likely to improve on the Nexens in every measureable way.

@MrRhubarb65 3 года назад

Nice to chat with you briefly this morning, John, near the 'Pie in the Sky'. MALS!

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Thanks for stopping & saying g'day Gary - safe travels mate.

@mrbulkerman 3 года назад

I have pilot sport 4s on my Ford Kuga in the uk, yes they're expensive (1300 shitsvillian dollars) but not as expensive as replacing a car. Worth every penny for the better grip and more confidence in iffy conditions...

@Peter-vn8ue 3 года назад

Let's hope Hyundai put this tyre as standard on the new 2021 Kona EV. I hope John you are going to review the new Kona EV when it arrives in Australia. I will be interested to see what have been added improve over the current model. I hope we get that blue colour for the 2021 model in Australia.

@jamiepole5199 3 года назад

Great tyres ... have them on my Subaru Liberty and they transform it. Loads of fun and confidence assuring driving. Worth every cent .... they only have to save you once to pay for themselves, and I struggle to see why people can't see this ... but hey, each to their own.

@shane864 2 года назад

They only last 15k miles and they pick up nails and screws like magnets in city driving. The last car I had Pilot Sports on got 8 flat tires in one year commuting in LA. It was insane. Pilot Sports are terrible on a daily driver commuter. They're totally incredible to drive on sure, it's the reliability and lifespan that sucks. Conti sports are a much better choice imo... almost as good performance but less gummy so they don't pick up nails nearly as easily.

@SuperScania1974 3 года назад

Totally agree with the tyres, cheap tyres are a false economy, personally I like using Continentals Premium Contacts here in the UK.

@aussiebloke609 3 года назад

I wonder if the range didn't change all that much with the stickier tyres because you're now able to exploit momentum-saving techniques - that is, you're not having to slow as much for curves, and thus not having to accelerate as much to get back up to cruising speed. While I'm sure regen braking is helping to put much of that braking energy back into the battery, it's never going to be a 100% efficient process, so avoiding slowing down in the first place sounds to me like a win on overall power consumption.

@dbeysoyt 3 года назад

increased rolling resistance will take a bite out of efficiency - improved energy recovery from better grip will spit some back.

@tlpNZ 3 года назад

Really? I think physics would not agree. Grip and friction not the same thing John covered this the other day. All wheels that are not slipping, just rolling and moving from one velocity to another gains or looses the same amount of energy.

@tonylawton7475 3 года назад

Hi John, I also have a Kona 64 kwh. Having taken your advice, yesterday I had Michelin Pilot 4s fitted. The pros, much better cornering speed, like on rails. No wet weather as yet... Cons over my regular "commute" of 250 kms, my consumption has gone from around 15.4 kwh/100 kms, on the previous Michelin Primacy4s to around 17.4kwh/100kms, and today it was on the higher end of hot ie 26°C in NZ parlenz. The Primacy 4s had around a 1 kwh penalty on the original Nexon tyres, with an added benefit of 2x longevity and better wet grip. Not rocket science, just some antidotal input... Regards Tony

@samboelliott1 3 года назад

Sunday night treat. Awesome.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Thanks mate.

@travisp11 3 года назад

Saturday for us in the USA!

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

More weekend for you!

@travisp11 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC Right on! Thanks!

@tlpNZ 3 года назад

Thanks for the follow up on a comment you made the other day. As my next car will probably be an EV looks like the first mod I'll make.

@damianpeterkelly1234 3 года назад

The other mod that can do so much for so little? Easy; some driving lessons. Most people really are the weakest link.

@ryanhill7318 2 года назад

Thanks for the great video! My wife an I have a '21 The stock tires were terrible. I'm wondering if any other suspension parts from the Gas kona would fit? Maybe a sway bar?

@DanWallis86 3 года назад

Hey John. Always good watching your videos. It’s always nice to see you out on the road. I like the look of the olight too. I do like the mini. Just getting my missus sign off on the funding is the hard part.

@electrofiction. 3 года назад

I imagine that a premium touring tyre would be a fair compromise for everyday driving, with improved grip and handling over an eco tyre vs the cost and wear rate of a high performance tyre.

@noisynobody 3 года назад

I love my Michi's. They're definitely a try at least once on your car kinda tyre. I mean, they can be cost prohibitive most of the time, but if the stars align and you need new tyres soon, and Michi's are on special at Jax or somewhere, definitely get them!

@superconfort 3 года назад

There is space for the spacesaver wheel. Multiple people did it. Just buy the kit from a i30 and put it in under the boot

@danpol3073 3 года назад

Hi John. Have you had a little bingle? There seems to be a couple scratches on the bottom of the front bumper bar.

@jamesplotkin4674 3 года назад

Begins approx 8:10 and looks like a good scrape.

@stendecstretcher4983 3 года назад

Well spotted.

@allanbower1967 3 года назад

Fitted them to my Swift Sport, totally awesome!!

@ursodermatt8809 3 года назад

i wonder when the Auto Expert is going to try to roll his kona.

@youbencowell 3 года назад

Up here in Brexistan, I fitted Michelin Crossclimate tyres to replace the eco tyres on my Kia Soul EV and found the car to be much nicer to drive. Previously I fitted Pilot Sport 4's to a Kia Optima, and that made the difference between night and day. Why do manufacturers fit rubbish tyres?

@timjefferson1886 3 года назад

Cost (bean-counters).

@johnbuckle3757 3 года назад

Excellent review. Also, here in England, ‘OLIGHT’, are offering a similar discount on their flashlights (torches). A Christmas stocking-filler for rich people, or a main present for poor people like myself - Ideal for my Mercedes E class.

@rjbiker66 3 года назад

Interestingly enough tesla for 2021 is fitting hankook eco tyres to the Model 3....replacing Michelin PS4.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Sounds like a cost thing - but Hankook does good work with its performance tyres...

@Nobody_Famous 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC they are trying to do anything to squeeze a higher range rating out of the car. Hub cabs are redesigned too.

@deanbowell7501 3 года назад

No full spare! Guess I'm running out of options of my next new vehicle. No full spare, no deal for me! I don't give a crap how good the vehicle is. Nobody wants to be stuck in the middle of bum f#$k for a tyre. I'm the type of person that likes to go out and see our beautiful country. Hey sweetheart, want to drive to Perth on our time off, yeah ok, she says. Might stop at Broome on the way back to Brisbane, hell yeah, she says. Best Wife ever. ROAD TRIP!

@TheSurfingAlien 3 года назад

I wonder how long it will take before the Fleshlight company will send John a sample for review :-)

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

I hope it takes quite some time. Like, the heat death of the universe can be first.

@TheSurfingAlien 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC Well, if they do, you can send their products back with a note saying: "F*ck that shit"

@oneselmo 3 года назад

Auto Expert John Cadogan Oh, John, have you not heard that old Naval expression: "Any old port in a storm"?

@jocalibusohump 3 года назад

Nice....I have michillen tyre yesterday in national tyre uk 🇬🇧.it’s a significant boost in my Renault Megane.

@brendonv8749 3 года назад

Last flat I had, the sidewall was completely destroyed after less than 200 odd meters. In Australia you need a proper spare.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

Do they even include a storage space for tires/tyres on cars anymore?

@aussiecue 3 года назад

Glad you're still toting the get home bag. Much more "Mill Spec" then mine

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

5.11 make damn fine stuff mate.

@maxpower7774 3 года назад

Not for nothing but Pilot Sports on anything will make it handle like a hero, kinda why it generally tops all tyre tests and is therefore the most expensive option you'll have. 3x more than the still excellent Hankooks I could actually afford when I recently replaced my tyres.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

To be fair, Hankook is also doing excellent work on high-performance tyres.

@keithnewton8981 2 года назад

Our 64kw kona comes with michelin primacy 4, 215 /55 /17 94v you gone to 225 can you do that.

@elchicovip01 3 года назад

My Kia Niro EV whent for the better grip michelin thin. It does what I want most of the time.

@peterryan7340 3 года назад

I everyday carry my Warrior Mini. Great flashlight!

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

It's a keeper, alright.

@brunoterlingen2203 3 года назад

John, what are the legal implications re the use of tyre-repair-plugs? Here in QLD the tyre repair service bays are not allowed to use those kits. Yes, I have used them of close to 25 years.

@davidigglesden 3 года назад

What about the rolling diameter. Did it remain the same to go low profile? Thanks David

@dillonvossen1144 3 года назад

love these tires! have them on my G70

@emersonmsd 3 года назад

I have the Pilot sport 4 on my Prooced. One of the best I've ever driven but it takes about 500km to get them working best. Haven't had a kangaroo jump out in front of me yet, more like dear and wild pigs here. (SK) By the way as I'm British, it's a torch.

@gnmurray5955 3 года назад

A little while ago I fitted Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV's to my 2018 Subaru Outback. The original Bridgestone Dueller HP's lasted 49,000kms and were ok but slips in the wet were not uncommon and understeer in the dry was regular. The Michelins are totally neutral, incredibly grippy (unlike anything else I have ever tried and I have tried A LOT), give amazing precision in placement and remarkably also soak up small bumps really well. I run them at 39/38 psi and even though they are obviously not going to last as long, that grip and control is addictive. The car also has an upgraded rear swaybar and Bilstein B6 suspension but the tyres were the one thing that made the biggest difference. I have tried wet road emergency stops (on a quiet country road) and it still stops like it is on dry road.

@IIGrayfoxII 3 года назад

I run PS4's on my 2.0 impreza as well. It is not a performance car, but I will equip damn good tires on my car. Weird that my PS4's dont have the same type of tread pattern. The center rib also has sipes like the inner rib. Could be cause the ones for my car are not as wide.

@QALibrary 3 года назад

I am very much surprised that John seems to be greatly enjoying his EV still - wonder what his experience of taking on a long drive and finding and using a public charger?

@gregsullivan7408 3 года назад

Shmee150 has just done a video on a long trip in his Taycan - lot of sitting around charging. He's a bit concerned about the looming ban on ICE vehicles over there.

@gregstuchley6657 3 года назад

In 💩svill, cars have to be road worthy, but why aren’t the roads car worthy 🤔 again Johnno another informative video. I’m still not an electric Jesus convert. Especially a car with no spare tyre

@Juicefpv 3 года назад

I put on 235x45x18 with Michelin Pilot Sport tyres on my Kona EV from brand new, as the OEM tyres were rubbish. The EV is like a go kart and sticks like shit to a blanket

@what_up777 3 года назад

Was considering those Michelin pilot sport 4 or Bridgestone Potenza adrenalin 003 for my next set of tyres. Thanks for the review.

@8700s14 3 года назад

Have had both, RE003’s get my vote!

@LifeSized101 3 года назад

Extendable breaker bar kit for them tough nuts, I carry as well

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Good idea.

@steveallen1340 3 года назад

I find it strange that safety systems such as ABS and ESC are mandatory on all new vehicles sold in shitsville but eco tyres are allowed to be fitted. Surely the minimum grip standards should be closer to the better performing tyres.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

I agree with this in principle - but to be fair, ABS and ESC are not mandatory. They're required to get five stars, and all cars have them, but this is not a legislative requirement.

@Pretzil43 3 года назад

Everyone always talks about tires in terms of grip and/or loss of traction. A few weeks ago I bought a set of wheels 2nd hand and they came with cheap tires on them. I went from re003s to these el cheapos and that secondary dynamics coming out of a corner just about throws me off the road compared the stiff sidewall, I don't lose traction with either though. Good to hear someone put that experience into words

@mikeybthepilot 3 года назад

Yep, I put the same tires on my ghetto-sled Leaf!! It's a night-and-day difference, so much better than the "Ecotopia" tires or whatever come standard.

@lesliedsouza4077 3 года назад

A torque wrench in a tyre shop? Who'da thought :)

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

It's actually Hyundai's in-house skunkworks where they do the local development and service their corporate fleet cars and do the technical training.

@lesliedsouza4077 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC Michelin's a good choice. They've been tops for like a century? Not quite the tread life of Coopers, but better quality? Is the country of manufacture specified? Coopers are embossed, Toledo? USA. Not that that is necessarily a quality guarantee?

@lesliedsouza4077 3 года назад

@Foxtrot Oscar :) Nice name :) Not related to Bravo Oscar? :)

@interceptor7905 3 года назад

@@lesliedsouza4077 Cooper Tyres have a good marketing team.But when it comes to quality you can travel with one batch 100K with no trouble at all then if you chuck new set they are total rubbish.Very dissapointing and also told by tyre shop people.I found Toyo Tyres have much better better handling and also they are not made in Japan anymore.I will try Michelin next time.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

@@lesliedsouza4077 Cheech and Chong skit: "Able Fox Charlie to Roger Fox Dogs! Able Fox Charlie to Roger Fox Dogs!" "Hey man, don't talk about Roger that way!" :)

@Setright 3 года назад

PS4 is an excellent tyre, the wet grip is surprisingly high. However, I don't quite agree on the feedback. So, having spent my own folding on PS4 for a company car, I decided to dent my savings again and try Goodyear F1 Supersport. The feedback, even well below the limit, is fantastic.. If you like driving, this very talkative tyre will make every drive fun and engaging - even the school-run and perfectly sane and legal speeds. Approaching the limit, the last few percent are well flagged. The drop into purely dynamic friction between tyre and road never catches you by surprise. You ought to try it out, sir!

@MrFister84 3 года назад

I'm guessing the biggest difference between my GR Yaris base model and Rallye will be the Pilot Sport 4S.

@Dan4096 3 года назад

Also the Torsen diffs and forged wheels

@JWL-UK 3 года назад

Really interesting results. I learned a lot more about tyres in the last 5 years. Michelin and Goodyear are the top of the league for me. Upgraded to Goodyear's Asymmetric 5 on my TT from Conti Sport contact 2 and noticed an enormous improvement. Glad to see that EVs can feel more like a normal car by swapping the tyres.

@yggdrasil9039 3 года назад

Sorry it must have flashed by and I missed it. What was the range loss with these tyres?

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Negligible. Under 5%.

@yggdrasil9039 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC Blimey. That's good. Well worth it. Keep up the good work John, and great to see you championing - in your measured and reasoned way of course - EVs in 'Sraya.

@braddonglendinning5140 3 года назад

Is that the new Palisade in the back ground just after the tyres were fitted?

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Yep - probably. They were prepping them like mad for the launch at the time, and made the debut announcement last week.

@braddonglendinning5140 3 года назад

Thank you John, looking forward to seen your test on it and your thoughts.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

I'm getting one in the week before Christmas.

@robin1987100 3 года назад

Please do yourself a favor and at least avoid the cheapest options. You'll be 'stuck' with them for a few years, and they'll only be getting worse. Unpredictable behavior in wet conditions, less grip with aging, its all just not what you should want.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Totally agreed. With tyres, you generally do get what you pay for.

@silentjohn80 3 года назад

I'm sure the tyres are great, but it's not always straightforward to change to the tyre model you want since it may not be available in same dimension as your current tyres. My car uses 215/55R18, which means I either have to change rim size (higher cost) or change tyre dimension. In my case I may probably use 235/50R18, but that will probably have some negative effects on consumption at least.

@bushpigjoe666 3 года назад

Pilot 4's are the balls!

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

They certainly are. All four of them.

@Lesfac 3 года назад

Just looked at the prices of the Olights. Funny money!! Very happy with my Aldi special 1000 yarder.

@AutoExpertJC 3 года назад

Some people don't understand quality...

@Lesfac 3 года назад

@@AutoExpertJC What about VFM?

@bobbob8387 3 года назад

Good performance tyre but really soft, hence the excellent grip. They are useless after about 10k km. Not so suitable for a car like the Kona. I would opt for a good all round tyre instead since Kona can't really exploit the extra performance of a sport tyre.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

I tend to agree. Some people way overbuy tires, such as high speed ratings when they never even get close to the rated speeds. Others overbuy getting hi-end tires for low-end cars not driven hard. I drove cars with cheap Sears Guardsmen and Pep Boys Definity tires and stayed alive quite well in all seasons, but I also wasn't driving high-end cars to anything close to limits. Expressway/Motorways yes, but not over 70mph. And never with my hat on backwards (see Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear Level Crossing video for that reference).

@bobbob8387 3 года назад

@@markh.6687 I don't know. I think it's better to get a tyre from a respectable, well known manufacturer. There is a reason they are more expensive. I just don't see the reason to opt for a high end sports tyre for a regular car.

@markh.6687 3 года назад

@@bobbob8387 The U.S. brands I mentioned were made by well-known tire makers and sold as 'private-label' brands. I have seen some tires being sold with no tread life warranty at all in the U.S., made in China with terrible quality. But a neighbor had a particular Sumitomo tire that was pure junk; down to the steel belts in less than 10,000 miles(!) That model had multiple complaints online of early failure and total wearing out. Other Sumitomo tires were-well regarded. I totally agree one needs to keep an eye on quality, but not going high-end on average vehicles.