Kozuki Oden is the strongest samurai in wano history, after ryuma of course. Kaido hails oden as one of the five strongest people he has ever fought. But will he be strong enough to take down big mom? Yes. Watch and find out why
I forgot to mention this in the video but the top 5 has nothing to do with “respect” or i should say kaido only respects those five because of their strength, strength is the only common denominator He didnt say respect in any translation on the face of the planet, he said “only a scant few can fight me”. Stop the cope
If that was kaidos top 5, why wasn’t garp on there. They fought in God Valley Also you left out how Kaido fought Big Mom for 3 days without Zeus or her soul form and how she received no major damage
I'm going to disagree with a few things you noted, though I will say there is a solid case for Oden defeating Big Mom at the end of this comment: 1) Big Mom scraping her knee was something explained by her having severe mental trauma from Mother Caramel's picture being touched in any way, lowering her durability greatly. People under her have noted how they have never seen her get hurt. She was capable of trading blows with Kaido throughout the night and didn't come out with any injuries. As far as we have seen **No one has legitimately broken through her durability except for when Law attacked her from the inside, allowing Kid to break her bones with his attacks... but even then, Damned Punk didn't even do much damage to her, if any** 2) Maser cannon went straight through Ulti's body. It scales above Yamato's feat of KOing Ulti. Had the Maser Cannon hit Ulti in the head, she would've been DEAD. 3) You undersell Kid and Law quite a bit, considering they both could take hits from Kaido as well, not just Big Mom. Big Mom's main issue seems to be that she is extremely rusty both physically and mentally. She should never have been hit by 90% of the attacks that came her way, but because of how complacent she became over DECADES of not having a serious fight, she suffered heavily for it. If she returns (which I think she will), she will get her act together and show everyone once again why she is considered one of the most powerful beings to sail the sea.
I think oden would deff be an emperors if he was still alive so I’d still give the win to him. The thing with big mom is that she’s old. If I had to come up with and excuse for why she stops using conquerors after punching page 1, I would say that, like WB, she’s getting too old to use it at will/ use it for extended periods of time.
kidd and law only got hit with one thunder bagua and that was just law. he didnt handle it fine at all. kaidos hits were way less serious than big moms and still never got blocked or avoided. kaidos AP is way better
The fact that we got the longest backstory in the series for Oda to tell us that Oden is that guy and SO MANY PEOPLE stil put him at Commander level is baffling to me. Like did you even read Wano? Plus 1079 is all the evidence we really need. Kid, after fighting on the rooftop and tanking several hits from BM already, was eating an Ikoku Sovereignty and then fighting an amped Big Mom who couldn’t KO him. Then Shanks comes along and Divine Departure 1 taps that same dude at 100%… the same attack from Roger that Oden face tanked with little damage… and that was PRE VOYAGE ODEN.
@@architectpiperr4918 That's entirely possible but it doesn't really change the fact that Oden in his prime is still comparable to the others in the list
@@robinn384 I think a fresh, unrestricted Kaido can fight all of the top 5 members and give them extreme diff fights so my point still stands about Oden.
@@maliklofton9148 Kaido is dogging oden I think he would’ve even back then with all his abilities and amps oden is not like how y’all betray he beating most 1yc but zoro passed him and king
@@D.Strawhat yeah, it's clear Oda puts alot more respect on Oden and Kaido. Oda was trying to go for a Majin Buu vibe with Big Mom but it hasn't worked considering how the Fanbase views her.
@@thestrongestman1008 if oda would have give her the majin buu treatment she would have been one of the most fearsome characters in the series but oda just pisses on her for no reason
She’s way stronger than oden especially when she sacrifices life to make her self stronger . Kaido wasn’t yet in his prime and he wasn’t even using his hybrid form against him
Oda has just pissed on this woman so hard everyone thinks that all other top tiers are easily beating her If ANYONE in wano would have fought against the big mom who has punched page one or the one who has fought kaido to a standstill OR the one who could slap away a luffy who was defending himself with advanced coating with just BRUTE STRENGTH there would be all dead in a few minutes But oda decided to use big mom as a plot device and nerfs her into dust just to make these little shits win I really hope she is alive and just gets one good fight and not such bullshit
Hey would you ever make a remastered more in depth version of your Zoro vs Sanji vid. I know the victor would remain the same as always but I really like to hear your thoughts after their wano buffs. Plus I feel like you're one of the more none biased common sense powerscalers. Cool vid btw
The Big Mom and Kaido fight is basically just a statement that they're equals if you think Oden can't beat Kaido which let's be honest he can't then it would be disingenuous to say he could beat Big Mom. It wouldn't be a super easy fight and Big Mom would get cut but she'd have a clean victory
@@D.Strawhat So what? They have contempt for one another of course he'd say things to downplay her but the duel doesn't lie. Using that as a statement for her power would be like using Mihawk saying he wouldn't fight Shanks as a statement of their power
@@D.Strawhat yeah but the attack still needed her commands and I think* even asked for instructions (maybe I missremeber that part). we havent really seen it in action since BM is slow and 2v1 was too much for her. Kid had to dodge Misery and Law jumped big mom right after. I still agree with the vid I judt think Misery had no chance to shine
@@jukaa1012 true misery didnt get used to its best ability u really think law is backflipping thru paradise totsuka? also it was moving towards him when he started breaking dancing, someone told him to watch out, because its sentient. Still very weak
Big mom is fucking oden up, we can say big mom was stronger than kaido on rocks ship. Big mom rolled up on kaido unafraid of what might happen. Big mom got blasted and shot down while grabbing bombs and all. I think big mom is slept on a lot
Finally someone who properly understand Oden's strenght in full details! It's so refreshing to see this toxic, low IQ and delusional OP community... Great video! 🔥
@@newacc4647 bro he couldnt even tank the scabbards totsuka, and he said oden>>>the scabbards, meaning at bare minimum his AP is on luffy and zoro level form 1010, which means big mom is taking heavy damage, kid and law might get a limb cut off
If ur talking about current big mom I'd say oden for the win mid to high diff (excluding the life boost) but if we go to younger big mom/Prime mom when Kaidou fought oden I'd give it to big mom mid to high diff as i believe only few people could ever really contest her back then e.g Roger,Whitebeard,Garp, rocks and Maybe Shiki.
Oden is literally stated by the narrator to be equal to roger and WB post journey…. Big mom is not winning prime or not. It’d be closer, but she’s not winning
I am going to have to disagree kaido list was about people that could fight Oden at that time could fight kaido but kaido is stronger now big mom wins high diff
@@scuffedpixelzzzz Oden used his strongest attack (paradise totsuka) and didn't even took down Kaido.. This is Kaidou in his dragon form not even in his Hybird form and dragon flames kaidou.
Oden is lowkey one of the most disrespected characters in One Piece. If Oden never got distracted by that old witch he would have killed Kaido right there. People seem to believe that after their encounter, Kaido got many times stronger but there is no statement that supports this argument. Kaido also says that he wants to fight someone as strong as Oden even after 20 years so he mustn't have gotten much stronger. I think Kozuki Chadden beats Big Bum simply because he outclasses her in many stats. If she was smart and used Adv CoC from the Jump she could be a problem for Oden but I still give him the win.
@@D.Strawhat Can I ask you a question? Who do you think is stronger between Oden and Luffy? I would maybe say Luffy because not only does he have top tier Haki but also an immensely broken DF but Oden has more experience with Haki so I can't say. They are both GOATs
My first disagreement tbh With law and Zoro, I see an argument to why Zoro or law would beat each other Big mom> Oden tbh but Oden is strong but his life was cut short
Even though it only took one clean shot from kaido to take oden out. So you’re saying through that whole fight oden wouldn’t get hit once? Even though he was struggling against boro breathe?
@@FTL_SAN and luffy has jumped into bolo breath and says ,,i have survived because i have guts" Tama also survived a bolo breath whats your point ? Kaido was luffys main enemy so he was looking strong if he would have fought big mom everyone would piss on kaido luffy fights are the only ones oda gives a shit about
@@chrisphil069 my point is that if oden is as strong as people are claiming him to be he shouldn’t be struggling against boro breathe AT ALL. how does tama surviving a boro breathe help your point?
plot stupidity and Oda needed a way to kill him. In story though you could say he was caught off gaurd and his haki was nerfed. When Kaido even hit him in the back of the head they'd already been fighting for quite a while
So the thing about oden vs bigmom for me is that oden got one shotted by a kaido who wasnt using future sight or any of his more powerful stuff, also kaido was massively weak compared to who he is now from what we know at least and I think Bigmom would tank that hit. Also something else is that im pretty sure even Gol d Roger knew Big Mom was strong and i think he talked about this when he took the ponigelph copy. Also kaidos top 5 can be subjective for the strength part because u would have 2 say oden> garp. I also think that when bigmom and kaido fought for 3 days when they shook the sky using haki is massively stronger than kaido who oden fought and oden wouldnt be able to clash there. I also think that law and kid would destroy oden mid diff and can both beat him themselves tbh as i believe they both scale around luffy but under because of haki dif and over certain admirals mind u i dont have luffy above alot of top tiers like i think hes up there just not boxin with the big bois tbh. there is also no version of kaido that i think can one shot bigmom even if shes not looking at him. I also think kaido says stuff that he contradicts with his own actions. there is alot more i could say but im just rambling at this point lol
but a 32 yrs old oden got hit with divine departure by a prime roger and got back up and then became multiple times stronger in seven years. So are u saying 39 yr old kaido has better AP then a prime roger? because that makes no sense, oden was clesrly hit off guard
@@D.Strawhat so for the first part of the comment you could argue that they were not fighing too kill as enemies because i do believe that roger could pack up oden with a divine departure(not in one hit). so going by the logic i believe they were fighting as friends and not trying too kill each other which for me means they are holding back. The second part I do believe that kaido is stronger than roger as he has better feats (if its prime vs prime, in a 1v1 always bet on kaido) and I do believe that every new gen of characters surpasses the next. so i do believe bigmom/mihawk/ shanks > roger and white beard.For the marines I have akainu, aokiji, and kizaru above garp and sengoku and the past marine leaders.But id have 2 think about how i feel about 39 year old kaidos ap compared too roger (so i have no answer for that part). But in general I do believe that kaido is stronger than roger and white beard
@@D.Strawhat and oden did get several time stronger but u can say the same for bigmom and kaido as well along with shanks mihawk etc so i think it kinda cancels out. And he was off guard when he got hit for sure idk if i said he wasnt if so didnt mean 2
I have some counterarguments here: Based on feats, Oden here shouldn't even be stronger than Round 3 Luffy, whose Snakeman forced Kaido to finally use future sight. Reminders tha Kaido here LACKS future sight, drunken style, hybrid forms and the flaming bagua. How are you gonna argue that Kaido 20 years ago is equal to current Kaido without those abilities? Why is Oden on the list if he's weaker than Kaido? You're misunderstanding the situation: Oden 20 years ago is stronger than Kaido 20 years ago. But Oden back then wouldn't be able to beat current Kaido since even ACoC Gear 4 Luffy isn't able to. This is just headcanon, but it's most likely that Oden might surpass Kaido had he lived. He also gave Kaido PTSD. If it was a hypothetical Oden that have lived 20 years later, no doubt he would've beaten Big Mom. But Oden 20 years ago would be beaten by Big Mom high-extreme diff. Sure, Kaido's stronger than Big Mom. But the databooks puts her FULL power relative to Kaido as it was stated that both are stronger than Oldbeard in physical strength and haki-wise, as Oldbeard can barely use haki.
@@JK_073 he was saying only a few can fight him as an equal at his best, in other words only those few reached the level he did. His statement implied they’re all comparable and in the same class
I dont agree with some of the takes in the video, i'd say big mom > oden high-extreme diff And yes law easily cut misery in half, but considering that big mom got muted my law and she was unable to give orders to misery, its obvious that misery becomes pretty weak then. Maser cannon is actually not overrared its wellrated i'd say because maser cannon basically went through ulti's body piercing it, if big mom shot the maser cannon at ulti's head it would have been game over for ulti right there. The only bad thing about big mom is her speed, considering that the 2v1 was hard for her to keep up with and fight, however if big mom used acoc or wasnt just laughing when misery was killing kid, if she helped misery there i'd say kidd would have been dead, and after a while in a 1v1 i think big mom could beat law. And also big mom only used 1 year of her life span to boost herself, what if she used 5 or 10 years? She would have definetly won the 2v1 againts kidd and law. Big mom's battle iq is kinda bad too however it doesnt really matter. Big mom definetly takes endurance and durabity considering she fought kaido toe to toe for 3 days. So i'd say big mom wins high-extreme diff on oden here
The problem here is that you're putting a senile old lady who hasn't fought seriously in decades up against a dude in 30's, yeah Oden could beat old Big Mom, but not hot Big Mom.
I think you may have changed my opinion on this matchup. What I will say is that if BM gets her shit together and can use Advanced Conquerors most of the time and well, then I would give the fight to her. ACoc is an overall buff as well in most areas. Maybe I am wrong on that. However, if it just comes down to her not being good at ACoc, then I give it to Oden. People shit on Oden, because he got "one-shot" by Kaido off-guard, but we have seen plenty of times in the series how getting surprised and dropping your guard massively tanks your durability. Look at what happened to Luffy when the CP0 agent showed up and surprised him. Kaido hit Luffy and instantly knocked him out. But if Luffy got hit the same way without getting surprised he would probably remain conscious. I mean Big Mom, who has crazy natural durabillity starts bleeding from her knee if she drops on it, when she is in shock. That's a crazy drop in durabillity.
@@elonmusket4205Hell nah. Oden ain't the same level/ near wb, roger, garp, sengoku. Did u watch when Roger pirates face Whitebeard pirates?. We can see in that match that Oden fighting Scopper Gaban and they both hurt and exhausted (they're tied). He's not even facing Rayleigh let alone wb / roger.
@@elonmusket4205so Oden after journey should be admiral level. He's not in the Yonkou level yet cuz Oden slash Kaido with his most powerfull attack (Paradise Totsuka) and Kaido still not down. This is dragon Kaido not even hybrid form or dragon flames Kaido. So Oden didn't have enough AP to able reach that level. As fot durability yes we had seen he got one shotted by young Kaido (Current Kaido >>> Young Kaido) i bet even after journey Oden still can't win against Rayleigh. So definitely Oden is nowhere near Roger/Garp/Wb/Sengkou/Kaido/Shanks/Mihawk/Kaidou/Rayleigh Bigmom is debatable since she is always easy got caught off guard. And Oden has speed, stamina. But if BM use her Advance Coc from the start of battle then yeah Oden didn't stand a chance. He didn't have enough AP to slash Acoc Big mom, and he didnt have enough durability to tank Acoc Big mom.
@@alfareza7372 kaido was not young he was 39 same age as oden, shanks, Bb, and same age as roger garp and ray at god valley. He was also a pirate 4x longer than oden at this point. Kaido was prime
Personally I would scale Oden to Wano Zoro, maybe a bit above but he’s not yonko level by any stretch. Kaido remembers Oden so highly because he fought Oden when he was much younger and much weaker. Wano kaido to Oden wouldn’t be too much more of a fight than Wano Zoro would be. I see Oden extreme diffing people like king, queen, Zoro, and sanji. He’s high commander level, but not yonko level.
0:20 - easiest to hit/biggest target form. Still an amazing feat 0:23 - he’s right no one from wano country so far has been close to odens level. But Zoro isn’t from wano and he said that before fight Zoro. And for Gods sake he’s referring to kinemon. Ofc if kinemon is the pinnacle of wano swordsmanship then there wouldn’t be anyone on oden’s level. 0:26 - disadvantage “THEN” as in not at that moment. But when oden had first charged at orochi. Any real one piece with context can see the flaws in using that as evidence. 0:27 - kaido refers to the sword SPECIFICALLY . Which may imply that the sword gave oden a buff too, maybe carried? We don’t know. But let’s not pretend that enma didn’t also buff oden like how it buffed Zoro. So kaido’s fear may have to deal less with oden and more with enma. 0:29 - Zoro specifically mentions haki, oden being able to do world enma with all that HAKI enma demands. And just having a lot of haki doesn’t make you yonko caliber. It’s how good you are at using it. Oden could very much just have a lot of haki but if he can’t channel it skillfully, it doesn’t matter. Not to say that he doesn’t. But I don’t think he does it as good as shanks. 0:32 - he could be equally implying luffy can give him a challenge at the strength that he currently is at like how they gave kaido a challenge in the past. Like in the past how oden gave kaido a good battle. Luffy can give him the same level of battle but at a higher level. Like the excitement boxing someone in amateurs and then becoming world class level and longing for that same level of excitement. Not level in skill but excitement. Or I’m wrong and oden is yonko level and all the other compelling evidence against oden being that strong means nothing. Even though it makes perfect sense for oden to be like very high 1st commander level.
@@D.Strawhat how can he be yonko level. When he fought kaido he wasn’t even a yonko. He legit was probably commander level. Oden got one shot without kaido even using ACoC. He bare minimum below the admirals. Fujitora mid to high diff him
To compare Big Meme to Kozuki Oden THE CHAD OF WANO is beyond disrespectful Kaido said it best himself when talking about his top5 and the amount of respect he had for Oden was something else meanwhile he never mentioned Big Meme and never gave her any respect. This is not.a debate but you know fandom gassed her up because of Kid and law to look good (i’m not saying they where not impressive but they got overhyped because of that fight when Big Meme didn’t even used advanced conquerors)same like they did with queen hyped him up for Sanji to look good.great video btw.RU-vidrs like you are so rare this days.btw can you make video about Mihawk in my opinion he is the most underrated and downplayed character in one piece there are people saying crazy stuff like oh he is a commander level, oh he is not actually the strongest swordsman and more. Like they are desperately downplaying him because they can’t accept that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks they are using some crazy mental gymnastics to somehow someway make him look weak and deny his strength it’s ridiculous. Keep up the good work brother.
It is pretty simple to understand why mihawk being stronger than shanks means nothing. They get that because shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is considered the world's greatest swordsman. However, once looking into it you realize it holds no weight because mihawk refused to challenge shanks after shanks lost his arm to a basic sea king. However, shanks has only gotten stronger since then unless you truly think shanks durability is sea king level fodder. Mihawk has never challenged the current stronger shanks only the last weaker shanks and they were practically equal. So, mihawks title means nothing if he is never challenged by anyone of any relevance to support his current title of worlds greatest swordsman.
@ioane alavidze he won't fight shanks because shanks lost his arm and mihawk as you said has too much pride to fight someone with only one arm but when shanks lost his arm he was weaker than he currently is unless of coarse you believe the shanks who was not even a yonkou yet is stronger than current shanks who is a yonkou. Since mihawk has not fought and refuses to fight the current yonkou shanks there is really no way to say mihawk is stronger than shanks because they have not fought. All you have is a title and that is it. It is no different than a boxer who is considered the world's champ but is nothing but a manufactured champ who never fights anyone of significance or relevance that is basically what mihawk is. Currently besides shanks there are no relevant swordsman for mihawk to fight all the current strongest are not considered swordsman.
@@IllusorySpectre bro when Mihawk meet Shanks and gave him a bounty poster of luffy Shanks was already a yonko and Mihawk told him that he’s crippled in front of his whole crew. Like if Mihawk knew that shanks could have defeated him then he would 100% fight him but he knew that Shanks was not on his level any more that’s why he told him that not other way around.once again Mihawk would never call himself the world’s strongest swordsmn if there is a swordsman he can’t beat.
Kaido: there will never be another samurai like oden Also kaido: linlin you’ve become invalid Tell kaido to stop coping i guess, since ur opinion has more weight than his🤷🏾♂️
Still think you’re downplaying big moms strength and speed. She fought kaido for 3 days straight. Both have similar durability so she’d have to have similar ap and speed to keep up. Whereas oden kept up to kaido for a night and lost after taking an off guard thunder Bagua, something that a luffy weaker than big mom did
@@elonmusket4205 chapter 1001. Kaido uses thunder Bagua, luffy doesn’t dodge or block and is fine after. Oden takes one off guard and he’s not able to stand
After 1 year she couldn’t even OHKO Kid who had already been severely weakened… the same dude that Shanks 1 tapped with a Divine Departure, a level of attack which pre-voyage Oden face tanked with little damage.
@@tbhgodrick6120 shanks was pissed amd angry, rogers divine departure was a greeting and obviously much weaker. kid's damned punk also exploded on him. big mom without any lifespan buff could go 3 days with kaido stronger than when he fought oden
D straw hat please make what if kozuki oden never died and became shogun of WANO I am possibly one of the four Yonko along side white beard shanks and big Mom and maybe even become the worlds greatest swordsman with two black blades
I think BM can use advance armament, there's a scene when she opens the door by just touching it lightly. That scene is when she fought Brook. But still my money is on Oden
@@marqusmedina5983 but no one has 1v1 big mom and did anything but Kai do and getting jumped by 4 body’s would still mess oden up big mom can clash with onigash kaiso a feet already over oden
Let's be real, Oden fought a much weaker Kaido. Present Kaido is waaay stronger than his past counterpart. The reason why Kaido has Oden as one of the people who fought him is because Oden was able to hurt him in the past. Oden is a bit overrated TBH. Now regarding old Big Mom, if she is in her right mindset, then she claps Oden low diff.
Kaido is not way stronger there’s mad evidence to the contrary. He was 39, same age as oden, shanks, Bb and same age as roger garp and ray at god valley. He was also a pirate 4x longer than oden at this point. Kaido was stated to be a “dominant force” on rocks where he was recruited at 15 for being a powerhouse already. He spent 6 years traveling with the then worlds strongest pirates, getting much stronger and developing his haki. By the time of god valley, he had to atleast be around Yc1 level if not above honestly. Rocks only amassed the strongest he could find. Kaido was stated to have become the *embodiment of might* in the 10 years after god valley, indicating the vast majority of his growth was between age 21-31 . He was already nearing prime and this was *8-9 years* before fighting oden. Kaido confirmed he hasn’t had. Serious fight since oden, so again how would he have gotten much stronger? Why would kaido still speak of oden as an equal and group him with roger WB xebec shanks if kaido was “way weaker” then and oden wouldn’t even be a challenge anymore? The shit you people say man smh common sense. Basic reading comprehension
No bro big mom does use both stages of Advanced Armament Haki (Ryuo) bro 😂😂 she uses the same exact technique Rayleigh used back in WCI She didn’t physically touch page onen
Well i think this could go either way! but arguably Law and kid's abilities are OP! Still, they did not defeat her by knocking her out like luffy did to kaidou! they just pushed her off the island with help of bombs! Oden cannot take puncture willy! and big mom could regenerate her bones! But this could go either way! but i think oda nerfed big mom!
@@D.Strawhat Fujitora clearly states the government had no right to be the ones to save the people after putting Doffy in power and that he wanted Luffy to be the one to beat Doffy so he could expose the corruption in the marines. While on the other hand Oden was in a murderous rage and still was unable to do anything. Excellent cock piece
@@maxb8749 bruh he legit couldnt cut doffys strings and he was actually trying dont cope he sent a meteor at it, bro i used ur exact logic and the difference is doffys strings are just strings. the barrer fruit is an actual barrier lol also it means nothing, oden scarred kaido but couldnt cut the barrier, all that means is the barrier is stronger than kaidos skin, which is understandable cuz its a barrier. Give it up
@@D.Strawhat nah the difference is even if Fujitora couldn't cut the strings he still could 1 shot doffy if he wanted to which would stop the strings. There's literally nothing Oden can do to get past the barrier to the point that he became a stripper to appease Orochi. There not a single yonko or admiral that would be bitched like that
