📢 To clear things up about WAYV & XG: ❗ WayV: I added them because they are under NCT which is a kpop group and for some songs they do sing them in korean (but only under certain circumstances?) , but they are mostly sung in chinese or english. (The debate to wether they are c-pop or k-pop is difficult so there isnt a set answer, but they are usually considered BOTH k-pop and c-pop.) XG: For XG, they are a global girl group, at the time of this video many people have been labeling them as a kpop group because they promote in korea, go on korean music shows, variety shows, a lot of articles label them as one, they use k-pop marketing strategies, etc. so thats what I went with, I wasnt really familiar with their discography either so It was unknown to me that they only sung in english. Sorry for the errors in this video and thank you for the support and notifying me of said errors.
Hiiii, no hate in this comment, just a little objection towards something, when you put WayV in the video you added Lucas (absolutely no hate towards him, I love this guy, he's awesome) but he resiliated his contract and quit NCT already (although I don't know exactly when you made this video, but the comments seem pretty fresh. But if you did that before his official leave, my bad, sorry) I just wanted to remember that he's not apart of the group anymore so in my opinion (I know, nobody asked for it) he shouldn't be put here (even if I understand the point and that it doesn't change anything to the subject of the video) (Sorry it was long, thank you for your time 🤍 also sorry if I made mistakes, english is not my first language)
if kpop fans want kpop to be more global and adaptable (which some dont), they gon have to understand that KPOP is a (broad) genre and industry, and so the language of the music doesn't change the genre and the industry it's being promoted in. XG and WAYV sound, look, operate, promote, etc. like a kpop group.
@@snisoo7954 but they perform mostly on Chinese music scenes, promote on Chinese variety shows and film their content in Chinese. K-pop artists are forbidden to make any deal on Chinese music scene, that's why WayV even got the separate label and their unit's name doesn't include "NCT". so i still think that they should be considered a C-pop group, or at least not a K-pop unit of NCT
@@bellakgaeyou're right but their lack of Chinese promotions isn't because they're not cpop, but because of pandemic, hiatus, mismanagement from sm. They're literally going on Chinese music festivals this summer.
Blackswan has had three Korean members before, but after their debut, Hyeme left the group, and in July 2022, Youngheun and Judy left the group. That's why they have no Korean members left.
on top of that before they rebranded Black Swan, it was originally a K-pop group called Rania that debuted in 2011, but I think the videos talking about currently
Imagine being a korean and seeing people from all countries choosing to be a kpop idol and doing all hard training and learning your language... Must feel proud
Pop is genre Kpop isn't. Kpop simply meant that group follow pop but with Korean Language, culture and Ethnicity. If group do not have any Korean member. Than Whether group sing in Korean or not that is not consider as kpop.
@@kep1anna Any foreign person can join group and become trainee but group without Korean member isn't a Kpop group atleastthere should be one Korean member who will become leader of group and lead the group for better future. Tell me a group where all members are foreigner and still famous in Korea as well as international. Blackswan ? Or maybe else you know ? Blackswan is from the shaddy company who knows who to do dirty business
xg isnt a kpop group, its a global group, for wayv they are a chinese nct unit, thats why all the members are chinese (other then ten) , though yes they do count as a group since they are under a different company, most fans still see them as the chinese unit
@@drckhuang9644ten has both thai and chinese ancestry. A lot of thai people do because a bunch of chinese people immigrated to thailand 150-200 years ago and his surname indicates that his ancestors were people that made the move. He likely has a generation of two of chinese ancestors after the move but it gets likely gets mixed from there. He's likely more thai than chinese at this point. He even uses thai honorifics, not thai-chinese honorifics. But then again his family could have married only thai-chinese people but i doubt it because people use thai honorifics with him and he introduces himself as thai.
Xg isn't a k pop group nor they are under any k pop company they just promote on music shows if we see so many k pop groups & idols release music in Japanese & promote in Japan but we can't say that they are from j-pop right
For those of y’all wondering, XG’s leader even said herself that the group (XG) is a group based in Korea, with all Japanese members, and sings in English. Simple as that
Based in 🇰🇷 Only Just to Steal Oppotunities Which Could Have Been Given to Actual But Lesser-Known K-Pop Groups Instead. (With a Weird & Disrespectful Marketing Strategy of Promoting Itself as a K-Pop Copycat Group But Only with Non-Korean Members & Songs Only in Other Languages at the Same ⏰.) If XG is Unwilling to Learn About Respectful Marketing from Both &Team and NiZiu (Who Debuted as Actual J-Pop Groups Based in 🇯🇵 with K-Pop Inspired 🎵🎶 Style Before Having Any Solid Plans to Enter the K-Pop Market in 🇰🇷 by Respectfully Singing the 🇰🇷 Language After Debuting for a Few Years), then the Global 👧 Group Should Completely Cut Off Ties with K-Pop by Leaving 🇰🇷 ASAP in Terms of Marketing-Wise. (Along with Being Allowed to Only Use J-Pop & Western Pop Infrastructures from 🇯🇵🇺🇲 Respectively for Eternalty.)
@@prpskiy yeah i knw but it has a different name and flag hence said it. Will surely be 23 when that guy gets a statement from sm and hiatus is over 😊 soon !
Those who are saying wayv ain’t kpop please fyki they are under a kpop group of sm called nct and nct is a kpop group they have different units of each so each units has different concepts and songs so like that wayv is also a sub unit of Chinese and Thai members who has more promotions in china but they do have songs in Korean too !!! So please don’t keep on asking or saying they ain’t a kpop group
@@maxidentshappen yes, I know. But they're not a kpop group. They don't have any Korean words in their music, like, at all. They sure seem like one tho, so I get why they're there.
They do promote here but they are in nowhere related to kpop. Not under a Kpop company, not a Korean group(I mean the group, not the nationality of the members), they don't sing in Korean, they just performed at a few Korean music shows.
@@maxidentshappen that’s like twice promoting in Japan sometimes. Doesn’t mean that album makes them a j-pop group. Promotion doesn’t matter! :)) their CEO said they aren’t Kpop either.
From what I'm seeing in these comments, I feel that the majority of ppl saying that foreigners can't be kpop idols are just international fans with little or no connection to South Korea. I feel that anyone can become a kpop idol, there's just many ups and downs if your not korean or part korean.
Fr, most of the times international fans want to say things in behalf of koreans, like for example i never saw any korean talking about korean beauty standards which is something international fans talk about a lot
As Long as the Foreigners DON'T DO THINGS AS SIMILAR AS EXP Edition & Kaachi (in Terms of Skill Practising-Wise to Improve One's Own Talents) Along with XG (in Terms of How a Particular Pop 🎵🎶 Act Marketed Itself in a Respectful Manner), I am Ok with It. Pls Take Note that I Would Always Get Mad Whenever Someone Else Keeps On Insisting that These 3️⃣ Groups ARE VERY DESERVING OF THEIR REPSPECTIVE SPOTS WITHIN K-Pop Spaces Within this App for Everyone's Info.
we dont have to be korean to understand this simple fact.K-pop means pop music based on korean language,ethnicity and some culture.A group containing 2 foreign members is still kpop but no korean means no K-pop its simple.The group is either International or from other countries pop genre
Huh ? I don’t think so look at wayv for example they are quite popular and successful they don’t need Korean member to be popular!! Plus this groups are mostly Japanese and Chinese based groups
@@yodickninja but they are always been a partially group tbh if you are their fan you will know that and people ignore them so they don’t really get the recognition but you are kinda right too
@@lovelyxtzence2429 wayv is a part of nct that was created after nct's official debut. they're a sub unit of nct, so in technical words, they're not a group but a sub unit. :)
@@enhaluhvzz ya and ? What do you want to say is that wayv don’t exist as a group bro they promote their songs a group wise not as sub unit even nct dream and 127 are also a group they are barely know as sub unit
I think Leia has left black swan now, but still no Korean members. Its hard keeping up with there line up changes at times. Black swan is a rebranded and name change from Rania. Rania had around 20 members come n go over the time they were active. Black swan has already had a 3 or so line up changes
I can't stand people who state "facts" when in reality they're misinformed and not even a fan. If you're not a WayZenNi then just don't talk about WayV, especially if you're not sure about it. Also, yes Ten is Thai, but he's Chinese descent. All members are Chinese descent.
Agree with You But this Ideology Should Only Be Applied to Blackswan (in its Current Line-Up Fully Consists of Foreigners But are More Hardworking & Talented at the Same ⏰). Both EXP Edition & Kaachi are NOT WORTHY of Such an Ideology Despite Actually Having 🇰🇷 Language Songs Within their Respective Discographies Pre-Disbandment. (Cos Both Groups Bypassed the Standard K-Pop Training Process Pre-Debut Due to How their Respective Agencies/Management Companies Did Things in a Substandard Manner.) Along with the Fact that Both EXP Edition & Kaachi Mostly Had Non-Asians/White Westerners for their Respective Group Members.
KPop is all about the idol company and the structure of the music/how it is composed. You cant be in kpop imwithout being an idol or affiliated with an idol company.
Wouldn't call XG a K-pop group, but making use of the Korean hypetrain is a bloody smart strategy. From the music coming from Korea (which includes them since they are officially based in Korea) I actually like their music the most recently. I'm a 90's kid so I appreciate the more hiphop/rap focus of their group. Personal opinion 😊
Right Now, my No. 1 Wish is to See XG COMLETELY CUT OFF TIES WITH K-Pop BY LEAVING 🇰🇷 ASAP in Terms of Marketing-Wise. (Along with Being Allowed to Only Use J-Pop & Western Pop 🎵🎶 Infrastructures from 🇯🇵🇺🇲 Respectively for Eternalty.) On 1️⃣ Hand, the Global 👧 Group is STEALING OPPOTUNITIES Which Could Have Been Given to Actual But Lesser-Known K-Pop Groups. On the Other Hand, I Don't Wish to See a Number of the Other Asian Pop 🎵🎶 Genres Losing the Importance of their Respective Existences.
In my opinion it is very weird to be foreign idol. I totally support foreign idols, but as a non-Korean who has foreign parents and different beliefs and traditions, I don’t know how to approach my parents and say that I’m moving to Korea to dance and sing in a completely different language and culture. But foreign idols are very bold, especially younger ones!
damn i still can't believe how EXP EDITION got hate but also love at the same time And that song is my favorite specially for koki's rap part, unnie oppa dongsaeng😂
blackswan has new members every week so it's really hard to catch up (yall calm the fuck down this is just a joke of course they didn't change their members that often god damn it)
@@vixxhexxhyperbole is a figure of speech where you exaggerate to highlight sth/make a point/show emphasis Either you wanted to seem smart or you literally have failed life since this is quite literally used all the time
At Least Z-Stars Did its Marketing During the Pre-Covid Era EVEN MORE RESPECTFULLY THAN XG During the Present Era. Z-Stars: was Originally Trained & Managed by an Actual 🇰🇷 K-Pop Company, Originally Consisted of (👦➕👧) ✖ 🇹🇼🇯🇵🇵🇭🇮🇩🇻🇳🇮🇳🇹🇭 with 2️⃣ Single-Sex Sub-Units for the Respective Genders, Based in 🇰🇷 with K-Pop Inspired 🇬🇧 Language Songs But Did its Marketing a More Respectful Manner. (By Doing Most of its Promotions at Overseas Among its Original 14 Members' Respective 🏠 Countries Within Asia Without Misusing the K-Pop Label at the Same ⏰.) XG: is Actually Trained & Managed by a Once-Famous 🇯🇵 J-Pop Company, Fully Consists of 🇯🇵 Members (Although Hinata is Half-Korean While Harvey has a White-Australian Dad), Based in 🇰🇷 with K-Pop Inspired 🇬🇧 Language Songs But is Currently Marketing Itself in a Weird & Disrespectful Manner. (By Promoting Itself Like a Typical, Acutual K-Pop Group When It is Not at All.) Right Now, I Wish to See XG Being Permernantly Expelled from K-Pop Spaces Within 🇰🇷 ASAP. (Unless the Global 👧 Group is Willing to Learn What is Respectful Marketing from Both &Team and NiZiu.)
I'm proud of my blackswan, especially Léia and Gabi who went to represent our country but the group is falling and I don't want to write their story here (laziness) 😂
I wouldn't say they're failing. I mean they are not quite popular yet but they recently had an comeback and they had more views then their previous comebacks. They are also doing k stages and because of the new members especially with Sriya they're getting more popular than they were earlier.
They're doing okay right now. It's the best they've don't in 8 years. Their company sucks though so hopefully they keep doing what they're doing now and don'tess things up again
I don't know what "Kpop" is there in XG! They only sing in English (the songs that I've heard from them), the members aren't Korean, yet I've seen the members talking in Korean in their variety shows!! I really don't understand this group
FYI, XG is Only Using a Weird & Disrespctful Marketing Strategy to Leech Off K-Pop's International Popularity in a Successful Manner by Being Based in 🇰🇷. On Some Occasions While Being Interviewed by the International Media, the Global 👧 Group Didn't Mind Itself Being Labelled as a "🇯🇵 K-Pop Group". Both Reasons Caused Most of the Native 🇰🇷 Population to Hate XG's Presence Within K-Pop Spaces with the Former Group of 👬👫👭 Already Felt Themselves Being Disrespected by the Global 👧 Group's Actions Based on Those 2️⃣ Reasons.
If you guys are getting mad at this then you need to check yourself. These groups chose this because they wanted to create Korean MUSIC. Some Korean people don’t mind this because the groups aren’t being desperate and rude about it… y’all need to chill they aren’t trying to be Korean, they know who they are. In fact it’s the fans who are trying to ruin other groups, and most of the fans are trying to be Korean….. Leave these groups alone, this is their passion.
I'm so tired to explain that k-pop it's a term given to the music that's (mostly) produced and promoted in korea. The term "k-pop" has nothing to do whith memebers nationality, company nationality and/or the language in which they sing, so, yeah from what I can tell XG IS a k-pop group. Fun fact: "k-pop" (and some other terms like "j-pop" or "c-pop") aren't even a music genre, you can find variety of groups whith diferent genres and concepts.
Oh I was in a discord server made by the top people from the top companies in kpop They want the next generations to be full of people from all over the globe to be more "diverse" I befriended so many people on that server who got chosen to be flown out to South Korea to start training I had to quit because my physical health started to deteriorate really fast out of nowhere But at least I had to quit after I met some of my biases 😅 I told everybody in that server on discord I'll see them at fan signs and when they go on tours I'll get front row tickets Curse these physical issues I have
korean pop is a genre of music it doesnt have nothing to do with the ethnicity of the members as long as they sing in korean theyre considered a kpop group
Oh I was in a discord server made by the top people from the top companies in kpop They want the next generations to be full of people from all over the globe to be more "diverse" I befriended so many people on that server who got chosen to be flown out to South Korea to start training I had to quit because my physical health started to deteriorate really fast out of nowhere But at least I had to quit after I met some of my biases 😅 I told everybody in that server on discord I'll see them at fan signs and when they go on tours I'll get front row tickets Curse these physical issues I have
