All I know is that I have the Armor jig, and I absolutely love it! Their marketing dept sucks. They don't promote thr product like they should. Woodcraft stopped carrying it b/c it didn't sell. Nobody's ever heard of it. They also have a mini jig 2 use on larger boards. Problem is they never have it n stock. Sad. Such an excellent product. Whoever makes the decisions 4 that company doesn't know what thr doing.
Great comment drsteele. I do agree. They have a great tool. Super user friendly. Armor Tool is going to send me a mini jig to review. It looks really cool as well. The collar adjustment is probably my favorite part. I wish they could have better marketing too. Great point. Thanks for watching and your excellent comment. 👍
Awesome well-balanced video! I've been liking my Kreg 720 for sheet goods (90-degree rotation is amazing for cabinetry), but I can see why the Armor would be the best for most users due to the better build quality. It's been sad to see Kreg slip in the quality department over the past couple of years. Also, well done with the video (capture + editing), I've learned a few new angles from this video!
Thanks Cole. I just watched you video last week about the 720. Super informative. I've rarely used the 90 degree rotation. Maybe because I mount it to a board. But, I've put some big pieces upright. No problem. I certainly like the kreg 720. I'm not jumping ship. I think they are both top notch. Thanks for watching and commenting and, of course your continued support 👍
I'm a big fan of Kreg, but they blew it on this one. Had the 720 and returned it immediately. Cheap feel, like a happy meal toy. Went with Armor in the end and very happy with it.
Thanks Michael. I agree, it's a very clever idea that gives you an accurate material thickness adjustment. Easy to use as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍 It means a lot.
@@Woodcraft716 just set the collar with the stock you’re gonna use. Put it just next to the drill, when clamped halfway into the machine. And just clear the bottom of the tip. That’s also to get a perfect function of the pocket hole. 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vhCwc-7FIKY.html t=8:00
@@pedrosmits thanks Pedro. That's a great tip. I've never tried it that way. It makes perfect sense. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I appreciate that.
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Thanks Ed. I hope it didn't come off as if I don't like kreg. Because I do like them. For me, it just came down to ease of use. Kreg and armor have virtually the same results. I was satisfied with both. Thanks for watching and commenting buddy.
I agree with you. I did not see this video before I purchased the 720 Pro. That said, I am not in business and do occasional projects. The Kreg has flimsy connections for those wing boxes so I may eventually mount them as you did on a board. No other person works uses my tools so they do not see abuse. A bit of patience and I will do fine with the Kreg 720 Pro. Perhaps, your audience will buy the other one if they haven't bought the Kreg. I may have too.
Thank you Vince. I recently did a video with Kreg, Armor, and Massca. I chose the Massca. But I admit, I use all of them. The spacing between the 2 small holes. I have to give it to Kreg. I guess I like bits and pieces of all 3. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. It's great to have someone else's perspective.
I bought th K5 Kreg 10 years ago and love it. I have the plug cutter accessories for it as well. I've seen the 720 in stores and am disappointed that Kreg made something so cheap. I'll keep my K5 till it no longer works but I will never get a 720 to replace it. I'll go elsewhere when that day comes.
I totally agree. I heard, buutt didn't do my own research, that the 720 is made in China. Where as the previous models were made in the USA. I personally believe this to be true because I know the person who told me did his research and confirmed it with kreg. Anyway, I do like the K4, I've never owned the K5 but, everyone is know who has it, loves it. I'm a fan of pocket-holes in general. Ii think they all have great features. Thanks for taking the time to comment. And reading this long reply.
Thanks Rick. I seem to use all the pocket hole jigs I have at different times for different applications. I'm lucky enough to have a few. I still enjoy kicking back with the k4. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Nice job Mike, great comparison of two very capable tools. My K5 is still getting the job done but when it fails I'd look at either the Armor or Massca to replace it. As always, great video sir.
Thank you Lawrence, I did reach out to Massca Products as well. Hopefully we can make a video on that soon. Looks really awesome. Thanks for watching and your continued support.
Another person I subscribe to Woodworking Garage, his name is Richard did a review on the Armor jig, I made a comment about color coding the bits at the collar so it would match the screws, he actually reached out to Armor and they said it was a great idea, they never thought about it and may look into something like that in the future. It would just save people from having to adjust the bit since Armor has different colors for the size screws.
I think I remember that Steve. That is a really good idea. I subscribe to woodworking garage. Richard always has super informative reviews and videos. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@Woodcraft716 thanks great video also I ha e a K4 now, it was an older one my brother gave me someone left at his house when he moved in brand new the markings only had the engraved measurements no color very hard to read, another person had a channel here and said use White polish rub all over make sure to get into groves, then take nail polish remover and wipe off excess. It worked great the white went into the groves and I was able to read the measurements.
Totally agree Mike, I was gonna run and buy the 720 until I saw your review, I however like the Massca pocket hole jig just because it's all aluminum and steel, Stumpy Nubs just posted a video on pocket hole screws and $29 per 1000 made me pull the trigger and order... im slowly fading away from Kreg as their products seem inferior to others on the market... great video as always Buddy
Thanks Tom. I'm slowly fading away from Kreg as well. I did reach out to Massca Products as well. My be another video coming out. Lol. Thanks for watching and always supporting me. 👍
I appreciate your videos on these jigs. Right now I'm thinking between a Massca or Armor. I'm surprised there's so little variety with this class of jig. 3:50 Drill bushings are indestructible if they're made right. 4:35 I've seen several videos with the 720 and the thing visibly flexes every time. I'm glad you point it out with the ruler and showing the gap. Maybe it works just fine but it doesn't speak well for the overall build quality. I've seen them in person and the compartment lid coming off (1:25) happened in person too.
Thanks JeffDM, I figured the drill guide would last forever. Usually, they won't guarantee something that breaks often. Let me know which one you choose. I'd like your feedback. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate that. 👍
Thanks Ricky. I also have a video with the Massca M2 Pro, kreg 720, and the Armor Tool Auto-jig. They all have great designs. I'm sure you will happy with your purchase. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
I will be switching to the 720 Pro from the Armor jig. No matter what I do or how I set it up the armor jig binds up. The collar on the bit does not stay tight and I constantly have to readjust it. Plus the holes made by the Armor are pretty rough and sometimes uneven which you can actually see in your video @6:40.
I have to agree. After using them for a while I prefer the Massca M2 Pro or the 720 Pro. I still use all of them for certain projects. I have to say Kreg has the 2 close holes that are superior to Armor Tool. The spacing on the Armor is just a little too wide for 1-1/2 material, whereas the Kreg is perfectly spaced. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
That is true, but I've worn off the markings from the collar spinning. It is very convenient though. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👍
Thanks Dave. I like pocket holes and pocket hole jigs. I also did a review on Massca as well as Kreg. I think they all have plusses. But Armor is very easy to use. And affordable as well. Thanks for your comment. 👍
@@pascalb746 I just did a 3 way review of Massca, Armor, and Kreg. I actually choose Massca. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PTYyBiJxDv4.html After your comment, I did a quick search and your right. No one has them.
Thanks Seth, it really was close for me. And the results really are identical. I don't want to come off like a kreg hater. Because I'm not. I think they are both great tools.
Thanks Ronnie, Armor Tool is just the right tool for me. But I like them both. Thanks for watching and commenting. And thanks for your continued support. 👍
Thanks Married Man, I did reach out to Massca Products. Hopefully we'll have another review/ Versus video soon. Thank you for watching and commenting. And of course, you continued support. I'm loving your fb channel as well. 👍
I'm looking at getting a jig but I don't know what to get. I'll be working with 1x1 all the way up to 4x4. What would be good to get? I can't seem to find the k4 or k5 as they're discontinued like you said.
Jaxx, I did a video on Massca, Kreg, and Armor Tool that might be useful. As far as I know. All 3 will only do up to 2" boards. But, the Massca comes apart and can be used as a portable jig. That would allow you to pocket hole a 4x4" . Just a suggestion. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
Cool. Nate, thats a good idea. Thanks for the tip. I will definitely consider that. Thanks for watching and commenting. And of course your continued support. 👍
Bought the Armor Jig, liking it so far. I'm seeing a lot of "Kreg HD pocket holes" being called out in plans though. Is it that critical to have the heavy duty holes, or will the normal ones the Armor can install good enough?
I'm just now seeing the HD holes, and in my opinion it's a marketing strategy. I can't see a difference if you use the proper screw length. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
Great video, Mike. I have the K4 and although it works OK, I'd love to have a set up that decreases my likely hood of failing to adjust the collar correctly. I've ruined a few projects because I screwed up in that department. Thanks for the video. How about a 'short' showing how you did your mounting for the Armor Tool?
@@Woodcraft716 Keeping bits set up for the different wood thicknesses is an awesome idea. Each of us out here should have thought of that. That's why you are the RU-vid Giant! Hey, any ideas for easy Christmas gifts to sell or build and give away?
It’s much faster and you don’t need to clamp the pieces together the angle the pocket hole is drilled is only 3 degrees. So I love not having to clamp the seam this system you just screw it together and it does not move.
Thanks Randy, I never owned a K5, but I hear it's better than the 720. Also, Kreg has canceled productionof the K5. I also did a full review of the Kreg720, Massca M2, and the Armor auto jig.
I bought the 720 only for the hole plug cutter, turns out the quality is poor , better done with a dowel an bandsaw. The armor tool is better I have that one too.
Thanks for letting me know Martin, I haven't tried the plug cutter. It looks kind of cool. But, if it doesn't work then it's no good to me. I'm still having a hard time deciding which one I like best. I think they all have pros and cons thanks for the comment.
I can't blame you. I like the 720s eas of use. As well as the small hole spacing. I did an updated video , Kreg vs Armor vs Massca. After using them now for a while, it's hard to decide a favorite. I like them all. Thanks for watching and your comment.
@@Woodcraft716 no problem. I knew off the cuff the 720 wouldn’t fit my shop. So I was leaning to the steel one everyone keeps talking about but then found armor through videos. So broke down on that stimulus and got the whole system. I may start RU-vid with the new pocket hole tool they coming out with.
@@Woodcraft716 Kreg makes a plug kit that fits in their K5 jig. Nice to be able to pull plugs from the actual stock you're working with. Plus, you can make angled and straight plugs. Just sayin'... Handy
