We all need sisters like Debra and Patty Tate. And what could I add about Mrs. Doris Tate? She was the strongest pillar of the whole family. Admirable! 🙏🏽❤️
luv2216 I like watching them. the killers all get turned down. they have some new lie ready to be told. it's 2017 now. lvh was given parole. hopefully the governor stops it again
I agree. I would do the same thing as Debra and until they all passed in jail. I do think killings in wars occur all the time do to mind control but after hearing Debra, I'm sure she's right, no leader would be able to control her and get her to kill anyone. She sounds like a mentally strong, loving, kind hearted person. Keeping her in my prayers.
Here is the proof that Debra was active even before Pattie died & they worked as a team. This was 1997. Pattie died 2000 and Debra attented Parole hearings even then.
If Patricia wants to make amends for what she did, she should be resigned to staying in prison for the rest of her life. She gave up her rights to freedom when she participated in a slaughter of innocent people.
This whole case vividly illustrates the damage sociopaths do to mankind. . .Everybody here is ruined. Perpetrators ruined. Victims ruined. Families ruined. The best we can hope for is that it doesn't happen again.
Very well said. I have a lot of respect for the Tate family, especially Doris. What an example for all of us, she made the very best she could make out of an unbelievably tragic situation and proved to be a powerful force for victim's rights.
Better off that they were left inside. They could still carry on and do good deeds from prison, and they did. Outside would have been a difficult life for them. Prison isn't about rehabilitating. It's about doing the time, retribution.
I would not go as far as declaring Debra Tate a hero. I am sure that Debra is relishing the opportunity to face her sister's killers and make it even more difficult for them to be paroled.
Doris,Debra and Patty are all heroes! They were so brave to face these people down and fight to keep them in prison. I admire their courage and their resolve to keep these killers behind bars,where they belong!
I would do the same thing as Debra and until they all passed in jail, if that was my sister. I do think brutal killings in wars occur all the time due to mind control but after hearing Debra, I'm sure she's right, no leader would be able to control her and get her to kill anyone. She sounds like a mentally strong and intelligent, loving, kind hearted person. And she sounds like a leader herself. Keeping her in my prayers.
I totaly agree with Sharons sister. Where was Sharons consideration for her furture and her unborn baby Pauls life? None was given! I think all of the cold blooded killers should have been executed years ago. They wanted to cut ous Sharons baby from her womb but, didnt have the time. This aint rocket science here people!
@idlefonzo201 yes and in actuality she took sharons life and her babys the baby was fully formed and could have lived if sharon would have been found soon enough.
Amen, Debra! You handled that with a Helluva lot more dignity and repose than that nut job Krenweinkel's unstable "attorney" did. True class act. R.I.P. Sharon and the other innocent victims whose lives were snuffed out by those psycho bitches.
The lawyer is only doing her job. No matter who is assigned to represent Patricia Krenwinkel, the memory of the murders, the manner in which they were carried out, and the unimaginable grief and anxiety that they have caused even after all of these years will be too much to overcome for Patricia Krenwinkel to ever be granted parole.
I've been here since the beginning I will be here until they all die in prison. I'm an angel. To kill in self defense is one thing or in defense of others. But murder is something all together different.
having said that, you can't take back what you've done, no matter what the circumstances. it's a tough one. do we ever forgive? i don't know if i could or not to be honest.
Complete rubbish. It's par the course these days for murderers like these to find god and try to distance themselves from their terrible crimes. They have lied, showed no compasion, no mercy and showed nothing more than complete sadistic savagery. They escaped death, they should be thankfull for that.
It pains me when I read comments that defend the murderers. They had no right to take those innocent lives. None whatsoever. Whether drug-induced or not, they knew right from wrong, & they slaughtered those tender souls.
I agree with what Debra Tate says but I think if you never were loved as a child your always looking for it and many followers believed it was love and i believe they did it because they thought they loved him and he loved them .
Squeaky would be very hard to deprogram, she's very very much like CM. That's why when he went to prison for what he did he put her in charge of the family. I looked up photos of "where are they now" an older photo 1990?? Shows PK what looks like her hand in the shape of an "M" for Manson. I tried to do it to see if it could be done naturally, I had to work at it. Evil is EVIL.
Honestly... i think as long as they had no kind of relationship or communication with anyone in the family or charlie they wouldn't have been a threat to society. I do believe however they are where they belong.
Yayyy, the death penalty was abolished, now I can put in my bid for a Parole! Gee whiz look at the great rehabilitating things I've done (in a controlled atmosphere). No real responsibilities like we all have in society, but Gee whiz I was under the control of a complete antisocial, WHY am I to blame? Keep doing the good work as they say, but be glad that you are ALIVE. The Math just doesn't add up.
The parole board is not influenced by whether the prisoner attends their parole hearing or not. They will either grant parole or deny parole based on what is in the most current central file of the prisoner. Many prisoners get paroled without asking for it or even attending their parole hearing.
Tina Bush she is and was. too manly. she fit into Manson's plan. she was needy. how bizarre that she said the 1st nite Manson pulled her away from being with the children she was watching. then she actually goes to a house where they see a very pregnant woman&decide they'll all stay&murder them she's sheer evil. in&out
Wow you guys are pathetic. Your basically laughing about one of her insecurities that led to her to Manson, and then to the murders. Bet you wouldn't say that to anyone in person, because it's vile.
Tina Bush I saw a pic of Krenwinkel before she even joined up with the Manson gang. She was actually a fairly attractive woman. It just goes to show u how horrid it must've been living day to day doing drugs and drinking like they all must have done.
..manson deliberately worked to control their minds, partly via the use of drugs. that could be the only legitimate defence line i think. however, as i said before, i think you would still need to be "predisposed" to certain types of acts to be able to commit them. this is demostrated by the fact that one of them couldn't go thru with these acts while others could. also, some were not on drugs. so essentially, i agree - perhaps i'm just taking her words too literally. but it's no defence, yes.
They love to cuddle a serial killer more money on this people souvenirs coming from the evil people omg..imposed a death penalty instead.in other countries beheading for me thats right justice serve .tooth for tooth
agreed. and no i certainly haven't done any of those things. i didn't commit violent acts myself btw also but have certainly seen some as a result of drug use. see my comment after the one you replied to as well: if someone had done such things that's inexcusable, which is also the legal standpoint and correctly so. when i say drugs i'm including alcohol too which is one of the worst mind altering substances IMO. i don't endorse the use of drugs and no longer take illegal drugs myself. cheers.
She had no chance in hell of being released if she was there or not. Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel are the two who will never be released. They are there until death.
Roger she was sick with the flu in her 1990 parole hearing but she still attended. Her attorney tried to get a continues for this hearing so Patricia didn't enter the board room.
Because Krenwinkle finally figured out that the parole board has already made up its mind before the parole board hearing. The parole board reviews and discusses amongst themselves the most current central file on the prisoner before the hearing. Allowing the prisoner and the victims' families to attend and speak is a mere courtesy and really has no impact on the decision of the parole board. Many prisoners have gotten paroled without attending their parole hearing. Some prisoners were even shocked that they were granted parole since they never attend their own parole hearings knowing that it is fixed beforehand.
Victims SHOULD have a voice and it's disgusting that in another video I heard Patricia's attorney say that the victims families should NOT be present during their parole is bull crap. Victims need their voice heard during parole end of story. patricia killed and she was not even under any drugs! What's up with that?
It's sad the victims families have to fight the state of California to keep these animals in prison. They have to relive the horrible deaths of their loved ones over and over. No parole for convicted murderers ever!
damn no edit for youtube comments - i myself did not commit any acts of violence for the record. i think that has to be part of your personality already most likely for that to happen. i have witnessed violent acts due to drugs use is what i meant and certainly do regret some things.
one thing in debra tate's comments that definitely can be disputed is "nothing could make her or anyone do this" ( i'm paraphrasing ). if she was on drugs at the time ( i understand some were, some weren't ) then i believe it would be possible to murder when you normally wouldn't ( depending on the drug etc etc of course ). all i know is i and many i know, have done many things we regret, and many things we have no recollection of, including violent acts, while under influence of drugs.
1978 Jonestown,Guyana,Waco 93 etc etc... Manson did nothing new. He used textbook methods and gained total dominance over the girls. That does not excuse what they did and it takes a very special person to be able to see that had it not been for Manson these girls would have never even thought of this much less act on it. Focus on the master not the minions. I would have to ask myself if it were my mom what would she want me to do. Carry around hatred for 40+ years or help the other victims too
marty dallas it’s not a manner of carrying hatred , Debra doesn’t hates these killers.. she wants them behind bars because Sharon is still dead . Why should these killers enjoy freedom when they denied life to 8 people. What right do they have to even ask to be out? Try were sentenced to death, then california repealed the death penalty communing their sentence to life with parole because they did not have life w/o parole - those people were put to death. By fluke of the law these killers got life with parole and the poor families every 2-5 years have to worry about them getting paroled. It’s like their loved ones getting killed all over again. Poor Debra now is fighting breast cancer. Her sister died from it, her mother suffered a brain tumor. Her mother and sister died and are buried with Sharon. Surely they died from the trauma of sharons death and facing these killers in parole hearings. Hopefully Debra wins her fight over cancer. Sharons family and the families of Sebring, folger, frykowski, parent have not gotten mentally out of that 10050 Ceilo drive home . , just as Sharon did not. Only justice would be is for Watson, krenwinkle, houton ( Atkins died in 2010) to be tied up by their neck by a rope and set on fire. Only then would they suffer like their victims.
You're right but I think it hinges on the State. Michigan, New York and New Jersey, Colorado, you're sentenced to "Life Without Parole" , You really will die in your cell, Different from a sentence of any given amount of years, those sentence in many instances are reduced. You will not be releases for age, health or budget considerations. Angelo Bruno, one of the "Hillside Stranglers" Died in his cell. "The Sausage King" died in his cell on Death Row.
Do you know what I have never understood? IMO...What does it mean? Thanx for your response BTW. Ultimately being under the influence of drugs and I include alcohol...can not really be a defence...ie drink driving springs to mind. So what Debra Tate states can not be brought into dispute then..would you not agree? Therefore it could also be an argument in Charles Manson`s defence. However I would not suggest that but a smart lawyer could perhaps?
Why is Steven Kay always "staring" at Debra Tate during these hearings? Oddly enough, I've never seen footage of him looking at Patti Tate this way-- & boy- oh- boy was she a knockout! Anybody have any guesses? Concerned for her emotional state, maybe? Note: I am NOT trying to be flippant, or to detract from the seriousness of the issue--- this was a heinous, horrific tragedy, & my heart goes out to Debra & the entire Tate family, living & un.
Debra Tate now has breast cancer. I hope she is able to fight until the last one takes their last breath...in prison. I fear that if she dies, those murderers *will be* paroled.
@IllyBidol but dont you think were all capable of killing but dont act out on it, I dont understand how they can go over the line and actually kill if this makes sense.
Yes and no. I think if someone's life is at stake, yes they can kill in self-defense, but *no* I don't think we are genetically programed to commit murder unprovoked. It is one thing to shoot another who breaks into your home. It is completely something else to be able to stab someone multiple times...and even after the victim is already dead. Keep in mind, PK had the ability to carve a message into Mr. LaBianca's abdomen and leave a fork stuck in his abdomen. Do you honestly think most people can do that?
By saying @ 1:22 > @ 1:40 Where does that leave Manson then....... ?? Debra Tate actualy is sayin, its not treu Krenwinkle and the others were ''Mind Controled'' ....
IMO == in my opinion. i agree it can't be a *defence* and isn't recognised as one ( in australia ). i haven't listened back to this clip now but quoting my original comment: "nothing could make her or anyone do this" which is what i was disputing - i believe what i meant was drugs can make people do things they wouldn't normally do (the actual acts still being dependent on the individual), therefore, it's possible (IMO lolz!). but it is not a defence in itself. i believe the defence angle was..
Well life without possibility of parole is the law in many states now however that was not my point. Yeah the Tate-LaBianca murderers should be in jail for life in my opinion because it represents justice and retribution. However given how much differently the killers now conduct themselves vis a vis Manson ( who is unrepentant) makes it seem quite possible the murders would not have taken place but for Manson's control and influence over Watson, Atkins, and Krenwinkle.
And more specifically as to what Debra says here, how can see KNOW that under any circumstances she and any other number of people present there would not have at any point in there lives been able to commit granted very brutal acts but under the spell of a Charles Manson and the mind and body altering effects of hard drugs?
There comes a time when you have to let go, harboring that kind of hatred is only hurting her. Jesus Christ said if we don't forgive others we are not forgiven. I've had terrible things done to me but it wasn't till I forgave that I attained inner peace. And I am sure that under the influence of LSD and crazy cults and God knows what else that people do things that they would never do under normal circumstances. I think it was Joseph ( technicolor coat kid ) ? That said compassion is far greater than anger and forgiveness is far more powerful than vengeance. I wish only Peace and Love to everyone.
i agree with you, I wonder if the fact all three members of Sharon's family, Debra, Patty and their mother Doris having cancer had any connection to the emotional stress and pain caused by losing their loved one in such a tragic way. There are studies that demonstrate that chronic emotional stress is linked to cancer. Sad either way for these families, and you are right, forgiveness and letting go has more to do with your own healing than the other person.
Yes, I agree, we need to forgive. And, these people killed 8 people (including an unborn child). They were supposed to be put to death back in 1972. They deserve to live the rest of their lives in prison and die there for what they did.
Kevin Lachowicz. Are you aware that it is entirely possible to forgive a criminal for their evil deeds WITHOUT advocating for their release from prison?
why can a mass murdering terrorist who bombed pearl harbour become an american citizen yet pat & lesley are still locked up. It just doesnt make sense!! cumon show a more human side to this. never give up hope lesley
