Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon : Drone footage of Rio Mamei - Part 1 

I also don't think the two women came so far because some people claim they got injured and then called, and some say they just sat inside a shack for 14 hours without calling or texting and just turned off the phones??? Only people who are blind or people who have never been to this location can say this like people who say there is no genocide in Gaza by the Israeli government. The guide lives and works here closer to the remains and backpack was found. How easy he made it look and how many fools he made with his story in the early days and is still making fools from the comments I see on Reddit. Time to bring more questions to this case and the true answers for Kris and Lisanne.

Stop making such stupid accusassions without any evidence.

Verdade. Só é considerável atravessar se estiver raso como visto no vídeo.

Je suis quasiment sur cette hypothèse. Sauf que je pense que Lisanne à glissé et est tombé juste parès avoir pris la photo 508. Ce qui a crée le bug pour la 509. Elle a pu se casser le pied et éventuellement s'être fait des coups en tombant parmi les rochers. Donc évidemment, après cela , plus de photo et surtout plus d'exploration du sentier. Mais l'état de Lisanne ne lui permet plus de revenir par le sentier car comme le montre très bien le film de Romain, il y a des passage très étroits , sorte de ravine, pendant une longue distance et avec un pied cassé , ça parait impossible de crapahuter la dedans. Peut être ont elles attendu un moment pour que Lisanne récupère et en espérant croiser quelqu'un. Mais non, et le temps passe. Je pense qu'elles ont pu tenter de continuer sur le sentier , très lentement, avec Kriss supportant Lisanne. Puis ne croisant toujours personne, elles décident de tenter des appels mais pas de réseau. Donc inutile d'insister. La luminosité décroit de plus en plus. Il faut qu'elles trouvent un endroit pou s'abriter. Et elle choisissent de se poser quelquepart au bord de l'eau , en terrain dégagé car la nuit en pleine jungle, sans équipements, sans pouvoir faire du feu, doit être particulièrement terrifiant. Évidemment la solution eut été de laisser Lisanne quelquepart et que Kriss refasse le chemin à l'envers pour rejoindre Bokete et alerter les secours. Mais je crois que Kriss n'a pas laisser Lisanne seule au milieu de cet enfer vert, blessé, avec la douleur qui 's’intensifie et s'installe dès lors que l'on se pose. Le problème c'est que plus le temps passe, plus elles vont s'épuiser par le stress, la peur, le manque de nourriture, la fatigue. Le problème c'est si elles ont décidé de trouver un endroit éloigné du sentier....

@@PanamaResearch-uj2xo It would take the guide a lot less time I think as it is about an hour's walk from where his farm is located.

@@PanamaResearch-uj2xo You make it sound like Alto Romero was next door. Feliciano's farm is close by. The couple worked for Feliciano/his brother, and then handed it to his brother as the book pointed out, who then made the phone call. Quite an elaborate plan these guys hatched. "Take a hiker" 😄 Feliciano and his step-son know these parts well like the back of their hand unlike you or me and live close by. I believe they planted it there as part of their cover up for what his stepson and his gang had done to Kris and Lisanne most likely on the Pate De Macho. Thank goodness the case files are no longer in the hands of a select few who think they know everything about this case. Money talks everywhere. Edit: I don't know where you went, but I wanted to respond to your last comment about reading maps and coordinates. You also failed to inform us of the various dwellings and farms located near and along the river of these various points where the backpack, belongings and remains were found. We know now Feliciano owns several structures in this area. The attention was diverted by the Imperfect Plan and the authors to Laureano's finca, trying to make it sound like he's the only one who owned anything there. As for the backpack location. Here's an excerpt from the authors book: Page 169 "Irma is just about to walk back home, when, hidden half under a rock in the middle of the river and hooked to a thick branch, she sees a backpack. That it's there does not surprise her, the river has its fixed spots where junk washes ashore." I don’t know who you are and if you have the actual case files. I know that the authors who co-wrote the book with Pitti, had access to all the files and details that were reported. So are you saying the three of them are lying now about Irma finding the backpack in the middle of the river? And that your coordinates are correct? Where did you get these coordinates from? From the case files I presume or the authors? How do you know for sure that the couple did not lie or that Feliciano’s brother, whom they handed the backpack to, did not lie about where it was found? There was no photograph taken at the time of the backpack discovery nor was it left in its place to be sure of this. Anybody who had reason to lie, Feliciano included, could have made up the location and said it was found here or there. The unsuspecting authorities then mark it out on the map when they got there to investigate and list the coordinates. So the blind leading the blind. Do you understand what I'm saying here? It doesn’t take much to figure this out that the location you pointed out could be just about any location Irma was asked to point out. However she informed the police according to the book that it was in the middle of the river when it was at a low level. So start there and then start uncovering the bullshit that was perpetuated, by everyone since, including you.

​​@@PanamaResearch-uj2xoRecently a new narrative emerged, told by the mother of a teenager who died mysteriously. This teenager told his mother that he and other boys (including the son of this guide F) had participated in the murder, rape and cover-up of the case of the Dutch girls. In this narrative it is mentioned that the girls were taken to this trail to the East, called Pata del Macho, to a house close to a place called Tree Trek. Given this new story, it is not possible to guarantee 100% that K&L have not returned from that trail, just as it is not possible to guarantee 100% that Guide F is involved. However, it is undeniable that this Guide and his family appear very permanently in almost all actions related to the disappearance of these girls! I am not in favor of making false accusations, but it is undeniable that this Guide and his family are indispensable suspects in any serious investigation into this case! However, I always use generic names to refer to the Guide and his family, after all I do not want to induce any type of hatred, marginalization or act of violence against the lives of individuals who, for now, are just suspects! The source of this cited narrative appears to be quite reliable!!! This narrative needs to be considered very carefully. Recentemente surgiu uma nova narrativa, contada pela mãe de um adolescente que morreu misteriosamente. Tal adolescente disse a sua mãe, que ele e outros garotos(incluso o filho desse guia F), haviam participado do assassinato, estupro e encobertamento do caso das garotas holandesas. Nessa narrativa é mencionado que as garotas foram levadas para essa trilha a Leste, chamada Pata del Macho, a uma casa próximo a um lugar chamado Tree Trek. Diante dessa nova história, não dá para assegurar 100%, que K&L não tenham voltado daquela trilha, assim também como não dá para assegurar 100% que o Guia F está envolvido. No entanto, é inegável que esse Guia e seus familiares, aparecem de maneira muito permanente em quase todas as ações relacionadas ao desaparecimento dessas garotas! Não sou a favor de fazer acusações falsas, mas é inegável que esse Guia e sua família são suspeitos indispensáveis em qualquer investigação séria sobre esse caso! Todavia, sempre uso nomes genéricos para me referir ao Guia e seus familiares, afinal não quero induzir nenhum tipo de ódio, marginalização ou ato de violência contra a vida de indivíduos que por enquanto, são apenas suspeitos! A fonte dessa narrativa citada, parece ser bastante confiável!!! Essa narrativa precisa sim, ser considerada com muita atenção.

This disappearance is crazy. I hear the podcast also, until I hear the pate de macho trail I never knew how the two girls can vanish without evidence 😳so many professionals search before and save other people who got lost here... the guide F told everyone he saw the girls the day when they got lost. what was he doing there when he saw them? because nobody was in the school. where was that school assistant eileen? she told she never saw them on apr 1. why is she lying? 🤔 maybe she scared of guide F. there is a book which says the guide F secure a tour on Baru the day before. so the guide known who these girls already were when he came again on apr 1? and he only told them Hola? nobody else was in the school when these the guide F and the two girls were in the school on apr 1. podcast also say his son was going to give a tour with the girls on apr 2. why was only the guide F there on apr 2? 🤷🏻‍♀if it is true in the podcast that his son killed the girls then he also saw the photos on the camera so the guide F could already known where the girls room was and checking to see if they leave behind a clue. the eileen is a witness for him so nobody can ask him why he was in the room. there is more truth but this guide F is lying I'm sure now to protect his son. I hope all the truth come out for the families to get justice for the girls.

@@caitlinmcfarland9217 I did see many shacks and some farms in this area too on the maps which the podcasts also said is some of them owned by the guide F. It is also very close to the backpack location and also the shorts. Very interesting that it is along the same areas of the river this guide F and his son is close to. His brother also works there I think. He got the backpack like the lost in jungle book said. There are people trying to hide these facts? Why?