When Kung Fu Panda was released in China it sparked a national debate about why a Hollywood studio was able to make a better movie about Chinese culture; than Chinese studios are able to make about their own culture.
@@agustdofficial8945The Chinese are very good at copying others and very good at the anime styled mmorg rpg games which are many and endless plus everything they make contains micro transactions with nothing interesting but the anime theme bullcrap.
I don’t think a real student is gonna use his butt as a weapon while fighting to death. The “ideal” is closer to realistic more than the “real” student is but that’s why it doesn’t work. People tend to not like reality. In short, the first response was right it’s just about creativity and imagination.
@@MrAw3sum people in a Western audience, sure. But somehow stories which put their focus elsewhere have survived and thrived in traditions elsewhere for millennia, even were worshipped and studied like philosophy. I think box office numbers aren't the most important in light of this
Not just that, his master is a red panda. Another proud national animal. Also the Furious Five shows the 5 animals that represents the 5 fractions of Southern Kung Fu. Tiger, monkey, viper, mantis and crane. Dreamworks researched really well for these films.
The chinese version of panda will be a slim hardworking panda that got number1 in every exam and kungfu tornament. And work as space engineer as part time hobby.
Now china needs to make a movie about an animated bald eagle who learns to use guns. Call the movie "Desert Eagle" or something and I'd watch the hell out of that
@@TT-fv5roRango’s animation is the only 3D animated film that I feel pushed boundaries just as much as some 2D Disney animation did. It is fucking mind blowing to me that it came out in 2011.
Chinese people loved it cause po starts out as everything Chinese society has taught people not to be and through growth ends up as the best among his peers in spite of his flaws. It's impossible to make a movie like that in a society where the nail that sticks out is either hammered back in or removed.
@@Ontiming2023 well you've probably seen at least once in adult comedy cartoons or late night shows the stereotype bit of an Asian family going "ok now let's see if it's a doctor or an abortion" or something to that effect. That's been a gag for a long time for a reason. You play your part and play it well to support not just yourself but your parents and grandparents or you're deemed a failure and discarded.
Accented Cinema said it the best. The Chinese people knew that Kung Fu Panda was not a culturally accurate Chinese film, but it’s the love and passion that was put into this film that made Chinese citizens ask the question “why can’t we do that?” Kung Fu Panda is a love letter to martial arts films, and for the kids who grew up with does films. Damm now i’m gonna watch this film again haha
A love letter was the best description I had about the movie, when I watched Accented Media. Because it was so accurate, it really was a love letter in all honesty.
Didn't they say they brought in Chinese cultural experts? Or is it not an accurate depiction because of stuff like combining different time periods cultures.
@@day7163To be fair, some of his view was wrong. For instance, he stated that in China, the dragon statue wouldn't be used so much. But that specific part was meant to be special to THAT VILLAGE.... because it was the village of the dragon warrior...
Another fun fact: a chineese game called "reverse 1999" have a accurate brittish,russian and other language accent for their voice acting, and the main base of their story is the history of british itself
I agree, I adore the game voice with the Big cast of accent of their own language like sonetto being a italian and does the 🤌 in the story which is just amazing, Alongside that they arent even afraid of dropping bad word, and vertin saying "sh-t" Will be a moment to remember.
@@MetrixGD no, actually, the first 2 chapter is, but after that is fictional places, then German, And the other else's is just event story that isn't included main story but still canon
That is the reason why China steal from USA. They really good at memory stuff but when it come to creativity they are good at all. It’s like they are just very good copying stuff.
Yet China produces 8 times more STEM students than the US. BTW, the public education system in the States is trash. The students can't even pass the exams.
@@GrindyVine Donghuas are wild with MC being antiheroes and killing everyone and everything out of revenge and then only experience a bit of guilt before rationalizing it and then doing more of it again. Then, ofc, the harem
He only talked back when Sifu put unreasonable requests on him, when expecting him to fight Tai Lung when really, he hadn't given Po any real training.
@@alec.mp4Chinese is the one is a ton of straight lines that make a small picture, Japanese are simple symbols with only 2-3 lines per symbol, Korean is square with o and | s scattered throughout. I’ve never been to an Asian country in my life
They don't force anything, it's just how Chinese culture works. Is the basis for all the stereotypes that Chinese parents expect nothing but perfection of their children
What perfect? China's biggest animated film franchise 熊出没Boonie Bears is literally a bold ugly village timber "Bold Qiang" constantly defeated by 2 forest -protecting bears. As a Chinese who study arts, it is just copium to blame the sensorship, because unlike real cinema, there is nothing remotely sensored for Disney movies. China just didn't have the artists needed until recently. Ne Zha(2019) featured a rebellious version of a classic Chinese legend character, and received a gross of $725 mil. For a few years, it was the highest-grossing film of the entirety of Chinese cinema. Likewise, the characters were also not obedient servants. China was just a country where people died of starvation a decade ago, there is a significant lack in artists because when people are poor they don't study painting, they prefer engineering which has real use case. When I was in Canada, my salary as a storyboard artist was lower than construction workers but in China it was 2 times higher than a worker, even noticeably higher than the Canadian one. But I did work for IT company instead of real cinema. I'm not denying the negatives of sensorship, nor its existence. Just saying that the inability to make great all-age films like Frozen, Kung-Fu Panda, Iron Man, etc. cannot blame on sensorship. Yes you cannot target the ugly aspects of the rulers which is absolutely bad for the arts, but seriously? For Disney? That's just like saying I cannot be as strong as the Rock because the government will prosecute me for fearsome look, if I become one.
went to school with the son of the Kung Fu Panda writer, Glenn Berger. Super down to earth guy, hella creative, we used to have airsoft wars in his backyard. the son was cool too☺️
The biggest flaw with a flawless character is that there’s very rarely any change that occurs within them. Flawed characters are so much more interesting, because they have to face their own problems while dealing with the villains and/or other forces.
Oh no. The first Chinese animation movie was released in 1930s or 40s something. There were very famous animation movies made during 50s to 70s that I watched during my childhood. The animation film making companies suffered big hits after 80s by system changes, market changes etc.
@@wenbozhao4325that’s very interesting, I wonder how these old movies would look if they were remastered today. But to clarify, I think they were referring to 3D animation with computers.
@@computethis1533we do have some good modern day animations about some chinese legends, though it was made in the US. But It’s mostly popular in china? which makes me hope we’ll get more animations from china. personally i’d love to see a Nezha series
It’s a trait that runs deep within the culture. Overly serious about perfection in every respect, to the point that they literally undermine their ability to do shit effectively cuz perfection is, y’know… impossible
@@WMDistractionit’s a common mindset in Asian cultures… it leads to HUGE suicide rates in young Korean and Japanese people, who will often take their own lives if they feel they are not perfrct
The Law of Unintended Consequences in action. Perfection is BORING, not entertaining. American entertainment culture is all about pulling for the underdog (not the top dog) the anti-hero (not the HERO) the struggle to succeed (not fruits of that struggle) and the battle (not the peace afterwards). Hollywood is really really good at this.
You can argue most schools these days only teach how to pass exams, people from all different countries complain about the same thing from China to US.
@@ML_TachankaChina is still by far one of, if not the strictest about it It’s such a shame that that toxic mindset is spreading so far, I remember when I was about to graduate high school and was making applications I told my (Asian) parents that no, I *didn’t* want to apply to the three universities with the highest student suicide rates at the time (Cornell, MIT, Carnegie-Mellon)
The public education system in the United States is trash, BTW. The students can't even pass the exams. 😢 China produces 8 times more STEM graduates than the US. No wonder we are falling behind in firing patents and publishing scientific papers nowadays.
@@Jery-ej3izNot the Philippines though, lots of Filipinos would just praise it. For example, Aswang Project was run by a Canadian and he did so much in making comprehensive posts about Filipino mythology. Probably much more than we do. Either way, Aswang Project was one of several reasons for fellow Filipinos to push themselves to do better at preserving and promoting Filipino culture.
@@Jery-ej3iz wait wait wait….are we just going to ignore one of the greatest games of all-time? RDR2?? There is nothing Elden Ring has that comes close to that game, and it’s made in the US.
In all fairness, Armstrong was not an "Evil US Politician". Yes, he was a slimeball, but let us be real. His speeches were not incorrect. I mean, the power of Memes is real. While may not agree with his motivation. His one goal was to have a war to finally end all wars and even destroy the Military Industrial Complex. Even if he had to be the bad guy. He had a noble goal. Makes him more of an Anti-Hero. Say what you will. I would vote for that man. At least he wouldn't sniff children.@@rompevuevitos222
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTubp sure the point of armstrong is that he looks like an unequivocally evil politician but really he believes in creating this vague ideological battleground where "history will decide who's right." i think he's supposed to represent warped and distorted ideals of freedom, individualism, manifest destiny, whatever
It's because Daoism, its philosophy is seen as an integral part of the modern "international" identity of China. Kung Fu Panda does Daoism well, while still looking like the commodified version allowed in China. Within China, Daoist thought is persecuted, its teachings seen as not in line with what CCP wants for their culture. So in many ways the Chinese outside of China have more freedom to be culturally expressive.
I also noticed this in chinese webcomics a lot (Manhua) a lot of the main characters don't have a lot of flaws and get very powerful very quickly with very little build
Because the CCP is a Fascist party and pretends to be communist but is more hyper-capitalist than Jeff Bezos. Why make movies about Pandas when you can loan Pandas out to Zoos as Political Power?
While kung fu panda is an amizing movie it is definately not about china. Yes theres many depictions of chine like the dragon warrior and architecture but it widly innacurate to rral chinese culture 😭 you should check out a vid on it it explains it better
@@righteous_dubz4368 I did not say it was based off of Chinese culture the guy from the government did the guy from the government did plus I fully understand a lot of movies are never really accurate to the source material that they're trying to portray does it matter if it's a book or a whole entire culture
Something I heard once: "If Chinese filmmakers were allowed to make what they wanted, there wouldn't be enough awards in Hollywood for them." I have many friends that work in film and documentaries in China. They say that in general it is extremely hard to get scripts past censors these days. It's just endless revisions and rejections. A lot of films that end up produced are banal slices of life, big budget nationalist fantasies and this year's 5th adaptation of Journey to the West. It's a far cry from the liberal 90s when you had "Raise the Red Lantern" and "Farewell My Concubine".
Kung Fu Panda wasn't praised for being culturally accurate and respectful, it was praised for how much love it showed The "Chinese culture" in Kung Fu Panda is closer to that of chinatowns than actual Chinese culture however it is done with so much love and care for Chinese cinema that it just captured the hearts of Chinese people and made them question why they weren't making those movies Kung Fu Panda was taking inspiration from anymore
My professor of Chinese culture and history thinks the film is shit. Most Chinese people, like most Americans, are simply stupid and dont even know their culture.
You are just as asleep the Chinese and US keeps you this way, watch Xiu Xiu the sent down girl and tell me the chinese government doesnt allow creativity, it censors some aspects in the same exact way we do. They are in a somewhat similar ring of Hell to Americans
@@major_kukri2430 and that's why the American movie machine is constantly pumping out superhero movies that make clear bad and good guys and shows the american government and the UN as an abject good and a "helping hand" to the heroes. Creativity does breed dissonance and that's why so many american creatives dont care to adhere to capitalist ideals
Surprise surprise, when a movie is actually well thought out and not a mindless piece of propaganda then it makes money plus emotionally/culturally resonates with audiences. No duh.
“Wow, America you have made many heroic animated movies about our country, like Mulan and Kung Fu Panda, what movie did you make about your own country?” “Uhhh… over the hedge?”
Saving Private Ryan, The Covenant, Shawn of the Dead, Iron Man, Captain America... wish most of these og movie's qualities were brought back to how most movies are produced right now though
To be real, there are lots of Chinese movies worth watching. Stephen Chow's comedy movies, Hong Kong Detective movies and action movies that have simple but yet have a slight twist in their storyline. There are quite a few movies worth watching bith old and new like the Battle of Lake Changjin, Kung Fu Hustle or the ICAC movie series.
Mainland Chinese movies have gotten better recently, before then, Hong Kong made Chinese movies and Taiwan made Chinese songs. The mainland had only started lifting themselves up and now they are improving rapidly.
Some rare Chinese studios actually learned from the success of Kung Fu Panda. I'd recommend Nezha made in 2019, I feel like that movie really distinguished itself from being a generic storyline where every characters looks beautiful unless they are evil, the movie actually has solid comedy thanks to its usage of inconventional character designs that follows the Western cartoonish way. And the protagonist was an actual gremlin that everybody hates and possess all the imperfection of a spoiled child, slowly leaning to his good side thru out the course of the movie. Edit: also forgot to specify, it's in 3d animated.
Was just about to say that. Almost none of the stuff being said in the shorts was true, at least not today. China can already create Kungfu panda level animated movies. All it takes is market and budget. But the entire comment section is filled with people who have stereotypical ideas about China. 😢
Yeah, if im gonna be Fr, nobody in this comment section has probably been to or went to school in china, all of the things that Americans are saying are mostly stereotypical, Chinese schools were crazy difficult back in the early 2000s or late 1900s, but now days they aren’t that bad
It's beauty standards. Not education system nor creativity issues. It's just china (the majority) just didn't thought that kind of story, style, direction, are pleasing, therefore doesn't meet their beauty standards. I second that Po isn't a perfect character - and for Chinese, that alone can be considered as a flaw.
As a CHINESE myself, you are darn right!!! 🇨🇳❤️🇨🇳❤️ We hate our movie industry which makes cringe content while Hollywood is doing our soft power better than us
Funny false narrative by a Jap wannabee weaboo 🤡 Hero starring Jet Li ... Flying Daggers ... Monkey King... Nezha...Big Fish and Begonia ... and many more appreciation of Chinese traditional culture.
Its basically western culture and mindset with chinese element and setting. Its like aladdin and 1001 night about how arab were potrayed by western mind.
it's as if the "hero's journey", seeing the struggles the character goes tru and peaking at the end of the movie, instead of having an always perfect protagonist, is what makes a character compelling to watch a movie
No, it's still different and better in the US, you just have to read their literature to realize how true that is. Even a white American with an IQ of 100 and poor knowledge is still better than these East Asians with their 105. US Americans may lack knowledge because of the school system, but East Asians are even worse because they lack in many cognitive areas where the US people are better, i experience and see this constantly.
Basically, the world is not regurgitate information. It has become be decisive think independently, think creatively think with passion and drive because you’re going places.
The magic word is "compassion." If you have no compassion for anything, especially humans, then you'll only create trash. When you care about something/someone, you do things correctly.
The last reason was straight bs. Go to see Ne-Zha, an animated movie whose main character is a very rebellious teenager who talks against everybody, and it made 800 million dollars in the box office. It was one of the greatest animated movies created in China. China can already create Kungfu panda level movies, and all it takes is the market and budgets.
Flaws is what makes a character unique, po in the first movie started off as a noodle worker with a fancy to become the dragon warrior but had a bad habit of eating too much food and didn’t have the guts to fight, but later in the movie, ogway say determination in him and declare him as dragon warrior, he then learned to use his bad habits to be a good fighter, like how he was unable to do a spilt stand but when he was forced on food immediately does it and high off the ground, at the end he’s the dragon warrior who is a bit childish but a great fighter
It's also a lack of ego and narcissism. If Kung Fu Panda was made by China then Po would start the movie already a master who destroys everyone while mocking and humiliating them.
If people don't know, CCP specifically prohibited displays of the past in Chinese made movies and other medias including symbolism like Buddha and such Meaning you can only make drama or movies set in present only in china
So they ARE making a serious attempt at the lip syncing! I was just telling someone the other day that I was able to watch most of Elemental without subtitles, thanks to the improvements and focus on character mouth animations. Had no idea that Dreamworks had been doing this for years.
It's a combination of factors probably, the culture is entirely different with different sensibilities and practicalities, it makes sense that the creative visions they tend towards in China are so far removed from the west
But Kung Fu Panda was popular in China, so it must have resonated very well with them. It's obvious there is a market for this kind of entertainment. Also, the team consulted with experts in Chinese history to make sure it was as culturally accurate as possible while still maintaining the base story. And even further, it shouldn't really be much of a stretch for people in China to come up with a story, ANY story, that revolves around major cultural trademarks of China, such as Kung Fu and Pandas.
American movie about China: “these are the millennial traditions that make up the canvas upon which the artistic culture of China is painted upon” Chinese movie about china: “glory to ccp glory to xi glory to red flag nothing happened in Tiananmen Square china best in world america bad” Yeah no wonder why that happened
That's more accurate to how russian movies are, imo. Chinese movies just tend to be too tragic or too perfect and happy which can make them difficult for anyone to relate to. Like, either main characters in the fantasy genre are exiled, beaten, killed (and reborn because buddhism), and forced to suffer the entire time of a plot or they're the most based cultivator of qi and the most powerful of the land and nothing bad ever happens because they're so smart. It's definitely far less propaganda based than Russian films because they will actually say stuff like "oh suka, our car has broken. i bet it was those capitalist americans who sabotaged us" and the movie takes place in outer space or something.
