Please note that with the upload of this video I am not trying to convince RU-vid-viewers neither that Kurt Cobain was murdered back in April of 1994 nor that he committed suicide. Personally I am still very torn and ambivalent if it was "suicide" or if it was "murder". There are many things supporting the "suicide"-theory but in my opinion the death of Kurt Cobain was also surrounded by many strange aspects and incidents. The handwriting practice sheet is one "strange" aspect which is difficult to explain with logic. Just like the reaction of Rosemary Carroll to the suicide note was remarkable. In addition, what I also find interesting is the fact that Tom Grant has proven on numerous occasions that Courtney has a habit of lying from time to time - and also lied several times in connection with several explanations in connection with Kurts death - which has been documented by Tom Grant via his tape recordings of phone conversations with Courtney. Whether you like Tom Grant or not - it should be beyond any doubt - that he has caught Courtney in lying on several occasions. Does that prove murder? No of course not. Does it prove that *IF* Kurt was murdered that Courtney was responsible for the murder? No of course not. But the facts are interesting in a death case like this - whether you think Kurts death was a suicide or murder. About the "nanny" in the video above: There are MANY people in the comment section who are claiming that the girl shown in the video was never a nanny at the Cobain-house. Naturally I do NOT have any proof that she really was a nanny back in late 1993 / early 1994 like she and the other woman claims in the video above. However do yourself a favour and look through the comment section below. You will find that the name of the nanny is mentioned in a police report that was filed to the SPD on March 18th 1994 in connection with a "disturbance" at the Cobain-residence - a report that states the names of Courtney and Kurt as well as a third person (witness). I will NOT write the name of the third person - but do the research yourself before you are blindly claiming that she is lying about having been a nanny at the Cobain-house. Bottom line / finally: Enjoy the video and feel free to leave a comment - and have in mind that I mainly uploaded this video because I thought that the statements of the "nanny" were important to this case. Make your own decision but personally I think the girl in the video comes over as being trustworthy - and she does not even with *one* word claim that there is no doubt Kurt was murdered - she merely explains how it was to be a nanny at the Cobain residence.
Flip the sexes. A woman comes from money and starts talking about cutting her husband off. Then she "mysteriously" shows up dead. There'd be a Law & Order episode and several Lifetime movies. Yet it's a guy with a drug problem and he's just chopped liver. The biggest rocker. Still doesn't matter.
@@matth3002 And your very right if it were a woman, people including the police would think it was a much bigger deal. I find sooooo many people today to still be so sexist, both ways!!
It's a massive clue that he was doing too much heroin and 75% of my friends who do heroin are dead so if they were Rich I'm sure their families would be talking about their will
I feel so bad for Kurt that he had gotten into a relationship with such a viper of a female. I think he really loved her but she was such a controlling, narcissitic, druggie, trainwreck that he didn't stand a chance. Shes the type of person you would gnaw your arm off to get away from.
Worst part of being in relationship with a narcissistic monster is people truly internalize the feeling no one loves them or is capable of loving them. Slowly,they die inside & become a shell of a human being,coupled by random moments of hopelessness. This nanny seems to have witnessed the worst phase of a spouse being swallowed up by this scenario.
I do wonder if these 2 are that reliable… they seem high and wanted to do this for the money. But Courtney did seem manipulative and Kurt was the sensitive lover that can be easily trapped…
@@fvnt0miix953my take is the older one is clearly on smack. She's seen an opportunity to make money. She's taken the money from Bloomfield for smack and encouraged her younger friend to come over. Possibly with smack as an incentive too. The younger one is telling the truth, except for the part where she says she quit a week before. It's actually refreshing to see someone who was in that circle actually not deflecting or lying.
Being a former H addict myself, The older woman might be on heroin but the younger, or nanny, gilr doesn't look high on heroin. heroin makes a persons pupils really pin like. real tiny. sometimes to the point of looking like you have no pupils. She looks like she might be a little drunk or maybe smoked some weed though.
I agree about the pupil thing... it’s so weird that in an overwhelming amount of videos/ pics, Kurt’s eyes are never pinned. Maybe he was very good at wearing sunglasses when he was high 🤷♂️
Also I’m an ex heroin addict and was for years. what I don’t understand is when I was dope sick I was very depressed, but as soon as I got dope and fixed I was happy and in a good mood. I just don’t think he killed him self. I just don’t...
MP R I definitely understand very how fast it takes to stop working. Though the high might stop but at least your not dope sick. There is just to many fishy things that Courtney said and did. There’s just to much fishy evidence exposed in soaked in bleach. I really just don’t know what to think or believe anymore.
I just can’t fathom someone picking up a gun on that high and shooting themselves. It’s like saying, “I feel great, so I’ll shoot myself” just not gonna happen.
I’m also a recovering/heroin addict myself the one thing any of us can relate to is having the kind of money he had the only time he would be sick is if/when he was in tour somewhere maybe and I have to imagine he could find something methadone at the least so it’s really hard to say
@@harrisonthompson8627 You should not trust what you see and hear in the docudrama Soaked in Bleach. ''There’s plenty of evidence, however, that both Kurt & Courtney and Soaked in Bleach are built on sensationalism, the circumstantial and a willingness to discard inconvenient facts. Meanwhile, several of the expert witnesses interviewed for Soaked in Bleach have subsequently claimed the filmmakers didn’t accurately represent their views. For instance, former New York City Police Department homicide detective Vernon J. Geberth wrote on Facebook, “I was one of the experts interviewed during this documentary and was not happy that the producers made it appear that I agreed with their ‘homicide’ theory. I had made it quite clear that I believed that Kurt Cobain took his own life and backed up my opinion with the facts that I had obtained from the Seattle Police Department’s Homicide Division coupled with my own experience with suicide cases.” Forensic linguist Carole Chaski, another expert who appeared in Soaked in Bleach, told the House of Mystery Radio Show, “My results don’t support the conspiracy theory that Courtney Love authored the bottom portion [of Kurt Cobain’s letter] to make it look like a suicide note.” She explains at length how she ran the whole note as well as contentious portions at the start and end through software that identifies linguistic patterns in suicide notes, comparing them with control samples, to come to this conclusion.'' - Mic Wright, Author at Mel Magazine melmagazine.com/en-us/story/kurt-cobain-murder-conspiracy-theories
Neither was Kurt, sorry to say. He was just turned into this Christ like figure after his death who you aren't allowed to critique. Don't get me wrong I'm a Kurt Cobain fan and I don't wanna drag down his name. But I think it's interesting how much people idolize him and trash talk Courtney when in reality they were very similar.
even she was scared of Courtney that she quit, there was also one time that Kurt locked himself in a bedroom to get away from Courtney and he waited until she called the cops . I agree that Kurt wanted to get away and file a divorce
To be honest if Kurt were with someone who didn’t do drugs then maybe he’d still be alive. Even if that someone did do drugs he needed someone who wasn’t depressed or messed up in the head...
" if Kurt were with someone who didn’t do drugs" - he probably would have destroyed that person. Junkies are no angels, and it is silly to demonize solely Courtney. For anybody who wants to save his sanity, there is only one advice when it comes to hardcore junkies: run !! Your assumption that a healthy person could have saved him is absolutely naive. Scores of people have tried before, and failed. There is only one person who can save him, and that's the junkie himself. He has to take the decision to get sober and stick with it. It is also disrespectful of this other - anonymous - person to suggest she should give herself up for battling the demons of a junkie. That's demanding too much.
Kurt didn’t even want to be with someone who didn’t do drugs. I believe this is one of the reasons why he broke up with Tracy Marander. Courtney said that being with Kurt meant being with drugs as well. She wasn’t doing heroin anymore when they started seeing each other, but she made the choice of going back to it in order to be with him.
Their body language is soooo withdrawn to interviews when it comes to Courtney. You notice that many people who speak out about all of this end up dead or withdraw their accounts or avoid being interviewed altogether.
@@pattytracey3131 Hey are you still around? There's someone named AmericanSpyFox who is looking into the Cobain situation and Kristen Pfaff was a part of one of his videos. It was very interesting
lets not forget that kurt called the cops on courtney while hiding locked in a closet, and he wouldnt come out until the cops showed up...cuz she was hitting him.
She called the cops he didn’t , she called because he locked himself in there with shotguns, there is ( or was) the police report online which states she called, please stop the lies
I found this retired police chief who just retired after 55 years with Seattle PD that started writing books in his retirement; 1 or 2 of them were on Kurt Cobains death. I sent his contact info to @AmericanSpyFox & he contacted him. The retired police chief got back to AmericanSpyFox & it turns out that he was the chief that tactually interviewed the responding officer at Kurt’s death scene. Not only that, but he said that the one who called the cops to Kurt’s house that month before Kurt died…. Was Kristen Pfaff. Kristen Pfaff called the cops on Courtney.
Not only that but the fucking heroin man,that ruined Kurt even if people argued who introduced him into it ,it was still his decision to do it but idk it doesn't matter anymore he's gone and I just feel bad because I wish he would stuck around to see how much everyone loved his music like he did. And how he influences so many people in this generation ❤️
It would be interesting to know, what she had to pay to the police, for their help. They didn't even want offered evidences from anybody. My sister died, she was also 27 and the cause of dead produced some questions, nothing spectacular, just questions. Only because of that, they kept her body almost 3 weeks, just to make sure. And Kurt body was burned within days?The cops said "suicide" before any doctor was even near the house, how could they?
Damn right, he was murdered. No question about it. Frances was his life. He was planning to divorce her, and she flipped out. She called the entertainment lawyer, Linda Caroll, and asked her to find the most cutthroat divorce attorney in America. He was going to be cutting Cuntney out of his will. It’s sickening how people f#cked up the investigation...no accident... he loved Frances, The song “you know you’re right,” says EVERYTHING TO CUNTNEY...
Michael Lawrence Um, you should check out the facts of the case and the tapes of discussions between the P.I Tom Grant Courtney hired and the witch herself, catching her in lie after lie... she was psychotic about the very idea of Kurt DIVORCING HER. Funny you should take the time to criticize me like a two year old yet know absolutely nothing about the live recording of Courtney’s meltdown asking Linda Caroll, her and Kurt’s entertainment lawyer to find her the most cutthroat divorce attorneys alive before she took the easy route and set up his murder to resemble a suicide, but she overkilled him, beyond anything that a junkie could ever have accomplished by himself, because he was filled with such an immense amount of heroin he would never have been able to pull the trigger on a shotgun- especially one so large, while he was so drugged up. Kurt was murdered. Do some research. Look at the rewards of killing your husband before he could divorce you! She is a billionaire! She even stole money 💰 from Frances as she was growing up and lost custody of her several times. You are truly a fool if you believe he committed suicide. All the evidence is right in one place- justiceforkurt.com. It’s also in the documentary “Soaked in Bleach,” which inspired Cuntney to quickly use a team to toss together a distraction called “MONTAGE OF HECK.” What a dumb name for Kurt’s beautiful artistry. She is absolutely disgusting and guilty of setting up the murder of her soon to be ex husband. Did you know that shortly after the S&M Metal “artist “ El Duce was interviewed for this documentary, he was found dead under suspicious circumstances? It’s you who needs to get your head checked, because even the former Seattle Chief of Police 👮 agrees that the case needs to be re-opened. Critical thinking is very important in this world. You should work on it. You are probably a troll anyway, I don’t care what you think, you’re misinformed. For the benefit of others, I have mentioned these facts from the case. Look for yourself or screw off, I don’t care.
Tiffany Houchin I’ve been following what Grant has been saying since 2004 and have never seen anything telling. I’ve watched Soaked in Bleach twice and can debunk the entire thing. Grant rarely backs up anything he says
here's another item of addiction around : '' We're addicted to loving Kurt Cobain has killed himself. '' That's almost a psychological phenomenon in itself. Buzz Osborne says to that : '' Does it make people happy - to believe he was suicidal, seriously - does that make people HAPPY ?? I knew him from the start of his musical existence to the very last tour in 94, and i know he wasn't suicidal.'' We do not really like overdrawing those message-movie messages too much but - it's about like the matrix movie's central quote : 'Some people have become so comfortable with their mind prisons that they will protect the system that keeps them in '' . Kurt's laboratory results came days after he was promoted as having committed suicide, and the results prove he had died during the injection of the toxins, before the gunshot. About another dozen of evidences are being discovered posthum added to this. Mind. It's the U.S. and here is a psychology of prevail-or-defeat in the win-or-die nation plus Kurt Cobain's multi million bank estate. Suicide fans must want to make believe the U.S. are a social democratic kindergarden in the Taka-Tuka Land in Sweden. You should start taking care of yourself.
I found out how dysfunctional I am in regards to relationships while in rehab. I am attracted to women like Courtney because I am a "self saboteur." That way it's never my fault.
Nah I mean I think joe burns and Bonnie Dillard's story about Dylan and Danny Clint Rich and all that makes sense.. we know they were friends w Kurt and it's documented through Courtney and her phone calls w Tom Grant.. plus Bonnie n Rene said they were there.. like when they called unsolved mysteries/the SPD and said that. And it's in Jessica hopper's book. Everything Joe n Bonnie said fits the facts we know so.. yeah Ive been convinced that it was those guys with Cali's help too maybe but yeah checkout the Joe burns interview. He's not some crazy guy he really knew Kurt.
it's an - actually classic - psychological phenomena, that the mainstream audience loves the 'decline and drama of celebrities', because that helps the mainstream audience to > look down on the 'celebrity'
Well said. Kurt said the he played with the idea of calling in utero i hate myself and want to die. It was a joke. He said that everyone thought he was sad bc of his rbf. He didn't say rbf but thats what he was implying, lol. People would always say why so sad or smile more. Many women get this all of the time bc women are expected to be happy. I see it as similar. I hate myself and want to die was sarcasm. CL and media used that to their advantage.
One thing I notice is a lot of the people interviewed in this movie obviously seem strung out. Im not saying addicts aren't the most reliable but you gotta question everything......I would know
yeah, I think Dylan & these 2 babysitters give quite an impression what kind of people they hang out with. One cannot compare their behaviour to "normal people", they both were nuts in their way. That may be Tom Grant's biggest fault. Kurt wasn't an holy angel. This is one very important fact people need to understand. I don't know I read "Come as you are", a biography written when Kurt was still alive when I became a fan and it gave me good impression what their life was like. One can tell very good where Kurt was lying and when not. But one of the most important things in the last chapter, added after Kurt's death: the author describes his very last meetings with Kurt (in November or December 93) and that he seemed clean and quite happy and - here it comes - "from there on something must have went horribly wrong"
sorry, I have to correct myself, it even is: "I learned that virtually everyone close to Kurt had a similar story: Something went terribly wrong right at the end..."
Brave girl and very believable. Courtney's father Hank says that Courtney said many times as a teen while living with him, and wrote in her journal (I think he has that), that she was going to 'kill herself a rock star', and collected books even then on how to stage a suicide, set someone up and take all their money etc, He says she is a sociopath and wrote the book 'Love Kills, The Assassination of Kurt Cobain'. Courtney tried to kill her first husband, and now is going to trial for the kidnap and attempted murder of her son in law, and trying to stage it as a suicide. Hank RIP.
Thanks for your comment 😀 I really don´t know what to believe about Hank Harrison, to be honest. Sometimes I have a suspicion that he is just trying to benefit financially from all the conspiracies that are surrounding the death of Kurt, and that he wants to sell his books. However, I am also pretty sure that he is speaking the truth very often about his daughter.
Courtney was toxic anyway, so I think she easily could lead him to suicide himself without having to do anything. He had already tried in Rome so she obviously saw the writing on the wall. Of course she would have talked about the will. Why murder someone when you don’t have to and they will off themselves, you know?
@@jlouis4407 Hasn´t the "suicide theory" about the incident in Rome been disputed many times already? To be honest I haven´t investigated that incident in Rome very much, so I could be wrong. I don´t know if they are manipulating the truth in "Soaked in Bleach", but in that documentary it is stated that it wasn´t until after Kurts death that Courtney started talking about the incident in Rome as a suicide attempt.
@@sukhmaidickoffCourtney definitely NEVER mentioned Kurt as being "suicidal" while he was alive. Plus, if Kurt truly was so "suicidal" why did Courtney LIE and say she had "business" in LA while Kurt was "missing" (I still believe Kurt never left the house once Cali and Jessica Hopper saw Kurt when he first came back from Exodus), Courtney just wanted to have an alibi and be as physically far away as possible from Seattle during Kurts "disappearance" and once his body was found. Just my 2 cents..
Kurts last note/ will, everyone said, oh how strong she is, reading it even to the fans! She didn't want anyone to see that ridicules piece of "copied together" parts out of his journals. She never showed the "original" to anyone, bc there is no. She was in a hurry, practising Kurts handwriting obviously did not help, we've all seen the practice sheets the lawyer found. Tom asked her many times to please see the original, she said the cops got it and she'll get it for him the next days, but never did. And so on........there are so many more things!!!
What I don't understand is why the practice sheet wasn't pursued? The female lawyer found it in Courtney's backpack and showed it to the private detective that Courtney had hired.
@@astoerbrauckAlso because she was already in a huge conflict of interest being both Kurt and Courtney's entertainment attorney. What a pickle to be in!? I'm sure Courtney wanted it that way. Makes sense for her.
Is this the same nanny that brought Frances to visit him in rehab like 9 days before his death? According to the Tom Grant documentary, a female nanny brought Frances & was able to visit him, whilst he was simultaneously blocking Courtney from contacting him (she tried & failed to call him 13x on one day, using different aliases & reasons, but clearly he had instructed the rehab not to take her calls). I both work at & have been a patient at multiple rehabs. To get visits, like with jail, you have to give the facility a list of people you wish to visit. They will check out the names in advance to ensure there are no red flags, & if not, they'll approve the names. The PATIENT is the only one who can add/edit the list, & obviously Courtney's name wasn't on it. To get calls, it's a similar procedure, except in order to get incoming calls he would've had to sign a release of information form for each person he wanted approved. Seems like he was running and hiding from her & the people she admitted, on tape, to paying off to do her dirty work (like planting fake stories in the press).
I believe he was running & hiding. Courtney told the press he went & bought a gun …but didn’t tell the press it was BEFORE he went into rehab, and got it for protection. He went with another person and told him he needed protection. Kurt felt someone was after him. I think they found him with his weapons, drugged him, he had double the amount in his system rendering incapable to kill himself. Someone set up the scene. They did not find his fingerprints on gun and it was positioned wrong according to Tom Grant.
One thing that you'll learn if you end up becoming a drug addict Is that you slowly get introduced to people that are oftentimes creepy to say the least. So the more and more people you meet under the influence and around other people who are under the influence you'll come to find out that there are some really sinister things that happen like all the fucking time and somehow go undiscovered by the police. There's just way too much to speak on from my experience alone but just know that anyone who does heroin or meth has the capability of hurting you or ending your life without even a good reason just because they can and they're evil! But if anyone would like to explain to me why these things happen and if I'm wrong in any way shape or form please go ahead and inform me I'd love to hear you try and convince me I'm wrong!
Whether of not it was a direct murder, Courtney contributed to his demise, as we can hear: he couldn't escape her, she controlled every second, she didn't let him to care for Frances as much as he wanted. She was hella toxic, and should be cancelled and erased from history of music, where she gained a high position on every cost possible.
Spoken like someone who never had someone close to them do what he did, and how powerless you are to stop it. He had more money and means to get away he literally got away from the rehab w/o her knowing to do this.... so yeah...
It's been related a big argument broke out,got out of hand,and Kurt was killed in a fit of rage by 2 men while 3 females watched it happen. Idk if this is true?
Chelsea is right about the checking into hotels as sid and nancy. There's an answering machine message on Victoria Clarke's machine left by Courtney, stating they were in a hotel staying under the name "Ritchie". Sid's real name was Simon Ritchie. They also stayed under the name "Bill Bailey", which is Axl's real name.
Isn't this an interstenting insight into their lives from someone who was able to observe their lives for a while? Relationships with narcissists are never a pleasure...
When she says I couldn't stand it up there it would have been nice if he could have asked her to be more specific about exactly what it was that she couldn't stand . We're assuming of course she couldn't stand Courtney and the way she bossed him around and the way Courtney was talking about his will all the time but still it would have been great if he had asked her to be more specific because maybe she would have told us some more info
Check out the joe burns interview. He really knew kurt and him and Bonnie have told the same story for years.. Courtney said Joe n Bonnie were staying there so we know thats true etc
Can you please educate me? I hear the name Bonnie mentioned several times in recent times, but I have never heard of her? Who was she to Kurt and Courtney? Just a friend?
Stephen Kane yes n they didn’t have smart phones or social media so she sounds like she knew a lot of how things came out way later... too informed to be fake.
When she said Courtney tried to control him any chance she got, so true. She’d even shove food in / out of his mouth, wouldn’t even let him control his food😢
@@sukhmaidickoff Courtney hired a private investigator and acted like there was no point in checking his house but at that point she already knew that he was back in town at the house. Also the shotgun shell being in the wrong side is sketchy but the biggest thing is finding Courtney’s practice sheet. She was trying to copy his handwriting best she could!
@@DevonChampion Yeah, for me the practice sheet is the weirdest thing too, - that plus the reaction of Rosemary Carroll to certain events. Several people who have made comments to this video - even former heroin addicts - have explained that it is also highly unusual that addicts would shoot heroin and then "destroy" the high by shooting themselves in the head
Also, one thing, Cobain came out multiple times and said to his fans it was insulting that they’d think he’d be manipulated by Courtney into anything at all, he said he loved Courtney for who she was and was angered that people made him Saint like... it’s tiring hearing this ‘villain hero story’... I just feel so sorry for his twisted legacy... it’s so jock 🙁
@@GoopieScoopie I think it´s really difficult to say what happened the day Kurt died. I don´t know if Courtney was somehow involved in his death, but I have a strong feeling that something weird happened that day.
Thank you VERY VERY MUCH. Not what is usually on people’s minds. My life is much better. Unfortunately I haven’t spoken with “the nanny” for some time. I too hope she is well. She was like family to me.💕
@@chelsearae6340 Hi Chelsea, hope you're still well. Did HS (nanny) ever share any additional tidbits of info with you regarding her time with KC and CL?
I guess the older nanny deleted her comments,I was on here commenting a couple years ago,and for some reason I cant find it.I remember she saying that one day she would upload some stuff explaining her side but never heard back when I messaged her.She dev seemed legit and was nice to me.
@Jonathan Wyatt - You are right - I had contact to her too - and I agree she was kind and seemed 100% legit. I can´t find her old comments either so she must have deleted them, because I have to say that I didn´t 😀
I actually remember you. Here we are years later. I’ve tried to do a little damage control here but it has seriously taken on an UGLY life of it’s own. (It makes my son really sad because he knows me better) I’m reading through for the first time in years. I always do this too late at night, but maybe tomorrow I’ll come back & try again. I mostly don’t like that people say bad things about “the nanny”. Some people don’t know her name so I’m trying to keep it to myself. Honestly, I can’t BELIEVE what some people THINK!!! It’s INSANE!!! Yes, I remember you, love! You were very respectful! I appreciated that. Hopefully we’ll meet up here again. Much love!💜💕
And btw, I’m not a nanny. Just close to the “nanny”. So TWO of you remembered me. That’s odd. I did NOT delete those messages! I thought it was just confusing because I’m on my iPhone. But you can’t find them either. I’ll try tomorrow. I would like to follow up on that. I probably don’t need to see it, but I don’t know how or where to interject at this point. I wish I had your FB or ANYTHING. Oh, well. Very very tired. I need to go try to 💤 sleep. More later on.
+Silay Martinete - Why do you think the nanny is stoned? To me it seems like she is capable of forming whole sentences and answering NIck Broomfields questions rationally too.
@@pjotr8890 far from well has a very bad police record stealing and drugs looks like a junki from pics on Facebook gone down hill bad .her name hatti Siegfried everything she says is true was well connected to the cobain house at the end
The last nanny was male and saw Kurt when he escaped the rehab in CA and he was supposedly missing. Courtney did not mention this to Tom Grant who she hired to go look for “missing” Kurt. She sent him to Seattle on a wild goose hunt to buy time. Of course this nanny is afraid of Courtney. Courtney can hire a hit man. I wish people would be brave and tell that Courtney had a pre nup and Kurt was planning to divorce her and she knew she would walk away with nothing. Courtney wanted millions. She absolutely set it up to having him gone either via someone or driving him to it. I always knew that and she said it! Thank you. However the amount of drug in his system from toxicology report shows he was not conscious enough to have done it himself. It was more than double the amount.
In 2016, Courtney Love nearly hired a hitman to kill Frances' ex-boyfriend, proof that she "Courtney Love" wants to kill Frances Cobain's ex-husband because he kept Kurt's guitar and does not want to return this guitar. I have nothing doubt Courtney Love killed Kurt.
here's another item of addiction around : '' We're addicted to loving Kurt Cobain has killed himself. '' That's almost a psychological phenomenon in itself. Buzz Osborne says to that : '' Does it make people happy - to believe he was suicidal, seriously - does that make people HAPPY ?? I knew him from the start of his musical existence to the very last tour in 94, and i know he wasn't suicidal.'' We do not really like overdrawing those message-movie messages too much but - it's about like the matrix movie's central quote : 'Some people have become so comfortable with their mind prisons that they will protect the system that keeps them in '' . Kurt's laboratory results came days after he was promoted as having committed suicide, and the results prove he had died during the injection of the toxins, before the gunshot. About another dozen of evidences are being discovered posthum added to this. Mind. It's the U.S. and here is a psychology of prevail-or-defeat in the win-or-die nation plus Kurt Cobain's multi million bank estate. Suicide fans must want to make believe the U.S. are a social democratic kindergarden in the Taka-Tuka Land in Sweden. You should start taking care of yourself.
Family Guy The Simpsons South Park have had a lot of Beatles, Nirvana and Michael Jackson references which are insanely funny including Back to the future
because he felt like he wasn't good enough to be a father, and the fame he achieved wasn't a result of "him". it was the image, the hype. so he went through periods where he wasn't proud of himself. deep down he was happy to be famous, but he had insecurities/mental health issues that made him feel like he wasn't good enough. he wasn't even good enough to become famous on his own, he had to be attached to some trend..that's how he probably felt. and with that mentality, it's easier to kill yourself and just leave a bunch of money. Courtney was a mess too, but she had ambition. She wanted things out of life and was generally more goal-oriented, and this was translated into a motherly, disciplinarian role to Kurt. She probably was more responsible than him, and could get high and mess around and then be ambitious when it was time to. Suicide is a snapshot into a person's feelings, not a permanent identity of them. It's just a quick decision, a moment of extreme depression...if they would have waited until the next day, they'd feel better. That's what makes suicide so bad--they would have hung on if they just let the depression fade.
+Phillip Korff No evidence - at least none that I heard of. However she seemed quite honest in my opinion in this video clip and she probably didn´t get paid any money to be in the documentary. From that perspective she has no real motive for lying - except if she really hates Courtney.
@@frankelder1158 Again, you are wrong. Her name is Hattie Siegfried. Her address in early 1994 was listed as Kurt & Courtneys address. Look up her Facebook profile. And according to some of the other people who have been commenting the video, her name is even in the Police report.
+tara angel - Not sure I understand what you mean. 1) That Cali couldn´t have been the killer because he was taking care of Frances??? or 2) that the alleged nanny in the video above could not have been a nanny at the Cobain-residence, because the nanny at that time was Cali???? About number 2 you have to remember, that the alleged nanny in the video did not claim to be the nanny there at the time when Kurt died.
I do believe that Cali could have been the killer, he disappeared right after. I was looking for who was taking care of Frances at the time. I'm sorry I didn't comment that clearly. In fact John Purkey, a friend of Kurt's, has questioned why Cali has never come forward and told what he knows.
@@taraangel6221 I haven´t read the Police Report issued in connection with Kurts death. But some people here in the comment section claim that the name of the nanny in this video (Hattie Siegfried) is also stated in the Police Report. That would somehow prove that she really was the nanny at the time she says she was.
i think at time of murder Frances was in LA with Courtney, and also nanny Jacqui who took the lovely photos of Kurt and Frances the day he left rehab there, Cali was already in seattle house with girlfriend Jess the sat morning that kurt arrived back there alone
@@sukhmaidickoff the note that he lleftt in the house purposefully left there for grant to find (the same note rosemary Carroll confessed to Tom saying it read as an insincere letter which read like he already knew kurt was dead) as courtney had asked grant to check the house for the shotgun in the secret compartment (April 7th, the day caali and the others left coincidentally) . Grant thought this weird as why did she not ask him the first time they checked the house. Grant also suspects that Dylan saw Kurt's Body in the greenhouse but said nothing as to not incriminate himself, grant also believes Dylan is innocent and didn't kill kurt but I personally would see Dylan being guilty as part of a conspiracy, his silence never looked good whether he Wass innocent or not or whether he was afraid of Courtney or not. Some suspect that Dylan kept quiet becaause courtney was funding him and Cali etc addiction to Heroin and paying for their rent and trips to rehab, the point overall is that dylan knew something because he never mentioned the greenhouse the first time he and grant checked the house. It makes you wonder how they never found anyone in the house if Cali and the others were Still there the first night they checked the house unless courtney told them to scram. Cali was also there with courtney and Kurt in the Rome Hotel room about an hour before kurt "attempted suicide". Its theorised that Cali got the prescription for courtney when Nirvana were playing in England back in 93. With Cali also being Courtney's ex bf and a unqualified nanny high in heroin around young Frances, I suspect he was being used as a pawn by Courtney who was dangling carrots above his head. He may have even felt peer pressured by courtney or compelled to roofie Kurt's can of juice (poured out on tape by Don Cameron at crime scene), in a whoozy state and being around Cali who kurt may or may not have trusted, led him to the greenhouse were kurt passed out. Cali would arrange everything, the note, the stool, the shotgun, the paraphenilia etc. He would inject into both arms a pure shot of Heroin that would have incapacitated kurt if he wasn't already knocked out from the rohypboled can of root beer.cali probably panicked thinking he didn't administer enough to kill kurt which is what the case was in Rome with the drugged champagne (courtney waited two hours to call ambulance). He administered a golden shot into the other arm which would have killed kurt within seconds, unless the first injection may have unknowingly to Cali already killed kurt. After the shot, Cali propped kurt up against the. Stool hence the position he was found in, placed the shotgun in his hands, making sure the hand gripped the barrel tight before rigor mortise was to follow, the palm of the hand would have been open before shotgun placed in hand making it easier to position the shotgun. Cali would have used Kurt's finger and pressed down on it to pull the trigger, all this whilst Cali is wearing gloves. The shell went through the mouth but because of the model, it didn't cause enough damage to the head aand face as a regular shotgun would, this would leave a pool of blood at Kurt's head yet with him completely still recognisable. The hand still gripping the shotgun in a cadaver spasm like grip, the shell casing firing the other direction against laws of physics unless there was an obstacle to make the classing richocet to where it was found, this means Cali planted the casing there on the jacket. Rearranging the scene quickly, placing the stool infront of the door and twisted turning the lock from The outside, Cali would return to the house where his girlfriend and a few others including a relative of Macaulay Culkin who died in 2001 (his sister I believe) where staying from late march to April 6th/7th. Cali's gf was being violently sick in the front yard as she left the following morning (April 6th) to get into a taxi. The whole allen wrench/Eldon Hoke stuff is seriously suspicious in itself, Cali just stands out more of a suspect. If he didn't kill kurt and it was allen wrench then it still makes Cali guilty of conspiracy and intent along with Carlson, moore, and several others.
@@digitalsoldier3894 One of the things that has always been remarkable and important to me in the death case of Kurt Cobain is how Rosemary Carroll reacted to the note that was left in the house. People tend to forget, that Rosemary was quite close to the Cobain family (there are photos with her standing together with Kurt, Courtney and Frances - almost like in a family picture) - hence her reaction to the note is quite remarkable and also important, considering how upset she seemed to be after reading the note. This is all clearly documented on Tom Grants audio recordings and things like that cannot be manipulated technically. Not in the way it is stated with Rosemary´s own words on the tape. However, I have no idea, why Rosemary Carroll suddenly decided to make a 180 degree turn and totally stopped commenting on the case and did not want any contact with Tom Grant anymore. She might have had her own personal reasons for doing that. I appreciate your thoughts in the comment above and that you took the time writing it - but, *in all due respect* - there probably is a fair share of guessing in that comment. Even though I know that the SPD probably did perform a really *MISERABLE* death investigation - clearly confirmed merely by the fact that they declared Kurts death a suicide on the same day he was found dead - even without waiting for the answer of the toxicology report - maybe some of the things you mention have already been investigated in the death investigation. About El Duce and Allen Wrench - my own personal opinion is that they were / are "scammers" - who did just try to benefit financially from Kurts death. I could be wrong, but I don´t think they have any clear and direct connection to Kurts death. But I totally agree - like I mentioned - that Cali is a "person of interest" in this death case.
@@sukhmaidickoff Don't know if he was involved, but I'd wager there's a 90% chance he knew Kurt was lying in the greenhouse. He even split the day before the electrician came out to do the work and found Kurt.
i think the first woman is more self conscious than many woman of her age and a little bit daffy, and the second young girl was utterly honest which is really neither here nor there in light of soaked in bleach. i wonder if matthew w is courtney love or how they are related to the co conspirators.
That’s funny!!!! I was indeed a “little bit daffy” at times! More so than “women of [my] age”??? And what, may I ask, IS my age????? You guys are priceless!😂😂😂
All I want to say is that Jackie Farry was Frances’s nanny at the time, not this girl. But I still believe Courtney is %100 responsible for Kurt’s death.
I cannot prove it but there just are some people here in the comment section who claim that the name of the girl in this video was mentioned in a Police Report issued by the Seattle Police Department when the Police had to go to the Coban-residence after a "trespassing"-incident on the Cobain property.
Just so I get it right: What you are saying is that if she actually WAS a nanny there, she would have signed some sort of non-disclosure-agreement, prohibiting her from telling ANYTHING about what happened in the Cobain-household - otherwise she could get sued?
@@sukhmaidickoff Most likely, yes. Also, what this “nanny” says about Cobain’s will makes no sense. Cobain died without a will (intestate) and his estate passed to Courtney + Frances.
@@maggie7843 Well....I don´t know about e.g. the NDA. What we however know almost for a fact is that the girl in the video really *WAS* a nanny at the Cobain house. Her name is mentioned in a police report issued in early 1994 in connection with a "house disturbance" at Kurt & Courtneys house. It would be a MASSIVE coincidence if she "accidentally" was at the house when the Police was there, if she had no connection whatsoever to the Cobain Family. The police report is available on the internet and the name of the "nanny" is mentioned in the report. The "nanny" has a Facebook profile with several private photos that clearly show it´s her. Add to that the mentioned police report with her name and I then have no doubt about that she really was their nanny in early 1994 and until a few weeks before Kurt died. So as to the subject if she really was a nanny there, I would say the probability is above 98%. If she is telling the truth about "will talk" I can´t say. However I see no reason for her to lie about that. She is not the type of person like Courtneys dad, who has used any given possibility to make money of Kurts death, and the "nanny" hasn´t appeared in the media AFTER this video and she did not try to earn money of Kurts death like many other people have done. So why even lie about what was said at the Cobain house?
It's not because you're high on drugs that you cannot speak and or tell the truth. They took drugs probably to deal with all the anxiety of the situation... and knowing that this crazy b**** Courtney could find you or threatened you... me too I will be high for this interview! (From an heroin addict for more than a decade, me. In recovery though.)
If you wish to see it that way, I have been very much in Cobains Situation (in that I was very, very Rich) and in a relationship with someone controlling. It took me over ten years to SEE what had been happening cause the abuse what very covert and a mix between codependent abuse and narcissistic abuse. But boy, once you wake up, out of codependency, with a good therapist, and you see the whole dysfunction, it’s shocking. I don’t know wether Courtney killed Kurt, but they were 100 percent codependent there’s no doubt and Courtney 100 percent has narcissist and controlling traits, so 100 percent there’s no doubting that K was controlled and manipulated to some degree. That’s the nature of those relationships.
Another trait of narcissistic personality disordered people is that they assure narcissistic supply by having a secure “secondary supply” (in this case Kurt as a husband) and multiple “primary supplies” (hook ups, lovers, ex’s etc). They never can afford to lose the secondary one because is the reassurance one, the basis of abuse, exploitation and confirmation of the false self. Once they realise they are going to lose it (by them trying to escape the abusive relationship) they might start by following “smear campaigns” and in many cases murder so they are the ones that made the decision to “lose” their basic supply. This of course implies no empathy, everybody is an object-like being to them, being there only to serve them.
I think her interview was the most accurate and nonbiased cause she wasnt related to or friends with them. I think shes right that if nothing else he was driven to suicide at best.
I fully agree. And we should not forget that "the nanny" is not coming with a lot of claims about what happened in the above clip, she is basically just telling what she saw and heard when she was a nanny at the Cobain-residence. In addition it is not like "The nanny" subsequently has tried to make a million bucks out of this interview - like for instance Courtneys father - who uses any chance to promote his own books about Courtney etc.
I do not believe you would ever leave them. unless, you thought you would be doing the right thing by doing that. Perhaps, difusing the attention. Who knows? It doesnt matter, just leave them in peace. The man was iconic. Did things no one ever did in terms of iconic music. He obviously loved his daughter.
I would say the probability that she really was their nanny is over 98% 😉 I refer to the "pinned" comment that I wrote to this video: The name of the nanny is mentioned in a Police Report that was issued on March 18th 1994 concerning a "Disturbance" at the 171 Lake Washington Blvd. - the home of the Cobains. Kurt had locked himself in a room and threatened to kill himself (I think that is what Courtney claimed, according to Kurt he stated that he was not suicidal and didn´t want to hurt himself), that´s why the Police paid them a visit. The name in the mentioned police report corresponds to the name on a Facebook profile that clearly shows the 25-year-older-version of the girl in the video above. I don´t think the Facebook profile is "faked", hence I would say there is a very big probability that she really was their nanny. There is another video on RU-vid that shows "the nanny" close together with Keith Bornzin at a Foo Fighers concert, where Dave Grohl directly addresses Keith Bornzin from the stage. That to me also indicates that somehow she was in those circles back then - otherwise - how would she know a man that knows Dave Grohl that well?
If you look at my pinned comment above, you can see that the name of the girl in the video was mentioned in a police report, issued by the SPD in - i think it was - early 1994 - where Kurt had locked himself into a room and threatened to kill himself. Hence I think the probability of the girl in the video really being a nanny there is close to 100% - otherwise her name wouldn´t be in the police report that was issued related to the incident at the Cobain-house. I don´t really want to tell you the name of the nanny 😀 but there is a Facebook profile with her name on it and the profile has many private pictures and if you see that Facebook page you won´t doubt for a second that the person really is the girl in the video, because those pictures clearly show a 25-year-older version of the girl 😉
@@williamturner84 Apparently Courtney had a thing for perfect noses.. She said that was one of the main things that attracted her to Kurt- maybe it even applied to nannies 🤔 I agree, she does have a perfect nose
idk how accurate this is because i wasn’t even alive then, but imma say it anyway. by what ive seen, i feel like kurt was very quiet with sometimes a terrible attitude. i feel like he was a nice person, but he was just moody. and then Courtney’s very loud and definitely has a terrible attitude. idk man. these are just my thoughts on them. ive never met them before, so i don’t really know them
It's alarming how many people will try to convince themselves that this shit didn't happen just because she's a white woman who is also a rock star that says a lot of pretty words and looks beautiful. News flash- murderers are the most cunning and manipulative people on the planet, and it doesn't help that they already have so much power in the western world. Courtney had the biggest motive in the world- money! Kurt was divorcing her and they had a prenup. Sorry to break it to you but money makes the world go round and she had it all in front of her. She even fools me sometimes. She sounds so innocent and lovely but then I think about the evidence behind Kurt's death and I just can't freaking ignore it.
Being white doesn't mean anything. She is not beautiful. Its just too far fetched. The why she did it I could see it being possible as far as motive. But the physical how she could have done it seems very very improbable
@@williamturner84 I honestly do not see anything remotely far fetched about it and neither did her entertainment lawyer (on tape) or PI. The people thought by some to be involved were all addicts and the money involved would have been significant. I actually think if she had it done that we might likely find out some day. Dont know if there is any truth to the supposed plot to kill her daughters ex husband but honestly it would not surprise me, the women (while probably higher iq) seems to lack any morals and cant keep me mouth closed. They way she reacted to Tom grant on tape accusing her is just fucking unbelievable to me.
