The man in kurta shalwar was open minded, open to discussion and more fair/rational in his arguments. Other person has good case but he is a bad lawer, he was sitting very closed mind and not accepting the merits of opposing argument. His denial of rise of east in future also shows his limited knowledge and exposure. Overall great and productive discussion.
Usama, the very different and typical man, who is from those rare persons, sees problems realistically and ideally and says what is better for the nation or community as well as for an individual and this crux is hard to extract from the problem.
@@osamarizvi7083 Sir, MASHA ALLAH, ALLAH bestowed you such a knowledge with the most easy way of expressing and explaining it. So Sir please you have to make your own vlogs on the economy of Pakistan . And Sir I, being a CSS aspirant, never saw such Pakistani especially urdu economists on RU-vid, it would be more beneficial for us to have such a legendary teacher. May ALLAH save you from an evil eye. Jazakallah ❤️
Absolutely right...our new generation or youth are inspired from the tiktoker those who are living in foreign countries but the are not aware from the other side that how much hard work and skill is required in foreign countries ❤❤❤
Healthy debate I stand with Sir Ahsan's point of view, If the state is unable to provide opportunities to its bulk of population then go abroad and find a better life for your family and try to protect the state from the burden of unemployed people. Build your country from ashes.❤
Along with merit for graduate degree programs there must be a gauge that is forecasting of in-demand labor professions for at least 3-4 decades. This will be only possible if the economy has tentative or proper plan for development and growth for next 6/7 political regimes.
Yes, sir Ahsan is right talent is there but no opportunities. Getting the best, whether in Pakistan or abroad, is the right of everybody. Pakistan is a confused state with confused policies, so it will take time to get on the right track. Until then, our lives will be wasted here.
Usama's suggestion is quite good actually. Everyone should get good skills before migrating. That will be really good for them to achieve their targets easily.. Otherwise they will stuck in a vicious circle of living paycheck to paycheck in foreign country.
Sir Osama's arguments have always been enlightening. And since 70% of my family from ajk is settled outside, the life is harsh when you dont work on your skills there for better employment. You cant start a family there unless you have a high earning job. Therefore, sir osama's stance is absolutely right and ofc sir ahsan's too
Sir kindly clear my inquiry, if a person gives 50 to 60 lakh to go abroad for better future or livelihood, then why we do not take risk to invest this amount to start own business event at small budget instead of taking risk to go abroad.
Good debate and such an interesting topic. In my personal opinion, Ahsan presented a more structured and fact-based argument compared to Osama. While Osama demonstrated passion in defending his views, he lacked a comprehensive understanding of the factors affecting immigrants overseas. For example, he claimed that inflation in Canada had reached double digits, whereas the actual Consumer Price Index (CPI) was recorded at 8.1% in June 2022. Moreover, he cited that 90,000 immigrants have left Canada. Candian economic conditions were not the only factor in this reverse migration. Factors such as personal circumstances, social integration, and policy changes also played a significant role. I believe that the unemployment rate is a more accurate metric to measure the employability of the labour force in countries like the USA, Canada and Australia. A lower unemployment rate suggests that nearly everyone, including immigrants from overseas, has employment opportunities. This metric effectively reflects the overall economic integration and stability that affect immigrant communities as well as the local population.
Why would other country accept us? And do you really think everyone can afford it? By acceptance I mean wouldn't we be discriminated? Would we be able make our living... Seeing my family, I don't think we can afford to move another country....
@@leisureclub_even a person who devoted his whole life for this state is not protected here, inept govt and establishment are pushing them towards hell. Basic rights are brutally violated by mafias 🫡
Apki sari izzat or pesa jo yahan kamaya he wo ek police wala chamaat mar k ek dum nikaal sakta he. Yes leave the country. Ye nationalistic sentiment bech bech k saray workers yahan rakh liay hen inho ne or apnay bachay bahir bhej diay hen
To be realistic, if a unskilled-person leave this country he would have much better future than the person who have skill and is living in pakistan.In this context sir Ahsan's arguments are more valid than sir. Usama's.
Usama is right because aisay kahein nahein jana chahiye. Sab kuch dekh kar jaein apnay aap m bhi skill ya qabliyat honi chahiye warna kal ko rul jaeingy pardes m.😂😂
Osama sir , jo be bol rhy hy Bher jany k haq mai ajaty hy, jbke sir k statement hy k baher nai jana chahe …. Contradicting his real stance- baheer nai jana chahe. To conclude, baher jaana chahe, odr agr waiter be edr k professor se ache kamae hote hy. 😅
To Dear Ahsan!! Out Country is already Destroyed now the point of few is that people should he back in the country especially the youth & that should rebuilt the country! If we are sending our youth to other countries we can not make leaders to fight for us to get back the freedom of speech & we can not even produce life quality for our future generations!! We can make our life better individually by going out of the country but we cannot withdraw our country from this crises without coming back after learning good enough skills to implement in our own country! Anyways arguments given by usama are very poor & mixed he was not clear in his stance!!
A very decently presented comment. So i will answer, you can't ask people to stay in the country in the HOPES of a good future. No rational man will want to spend the next 30 yrs in the HOPE of a better Pakistan. Its a bitter pill to swallow but the reality is the same. Ask yourself if you will spend all your youth in Pakistan and probably make nothing for your family serving the country and leaving your children penniless in the end or would you like to move with a fairly certain idea of building a good life for them elsewhere in the world? Everyone will choose the latter. I am merely saying the facts that everyone knows and believes but is too hurt or afraid to say it out aloud. People leaving by the millions every year completely justifies my stance. Patriotism ka radio bara acha lagta he sunne men lekin reality men koi bhi ye nai chahta. Everyone favours personal and family growth.
@@despicablecon You were doing good. But All I am saying is that whatever you were debating had already been written in the articles/opinion pieces. Your debate lacked original/thought-provoking ideas. Your own input and contemplation on the issue was missing. More power to you, by the way.
Although it was a debate not a discussion. Both disciplines are quite different, but both of you should have presented your own take which was not when you just reproducing the thoughts of experts... I hope you get it.
Well if people are not willing to believe in the thoughts of experts (whose ideas we presented) then what should they believe in ? The ideas for leaving or staying will remain the same irrespective of who says it.
