Kyiv, Not Kiev. Why Ukrainians care so much about their capital’s spelling 

no they all pronounce it the same wym

Key-Iv Key-if Keev Kongo

Compromise is Kyiv

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What? I can't "love" this, I can only "like" it..? Well- I LOVE IT!!!

Long live Kiev

@Gavin Gas :)))))

Ya it's gonna be Kiev again after Russia invades Ukraine, lmao

cope ukro

Imagine how Russians are oppressed by someone for centuries. Someone, who would consistently destroy their culture and aggressively implement its own. They can complain their ass off of something in that case. As long as they are an abusive nation, they can`t complain.

@@misssveta Oh boo hoo. Russians have historically been oppressed by everyone but their brother and they still are not as bitchy as some Ukrainians are about Kiev.

@@UrielX1212 ?

"Japan.." NO ITS NIPPON YOU RACIST lol. It's the same.

Moscow and Kyiv are English adaptations. Kiev is false adaptation. In Ukrainian, it is Kyjew or Kyjiw.

Comrade Putin thanks you for your service.

@@nelsonricardo3729, Comrade Zelenskyy and the Dark Lords of American Coups thank you for yours. Putin has absolutely nothing to do with the correct English spelling of Kiev.

Exactly...

city is called Kyiv since ancient times

That's a pretty good observation, I thought of it more like a French U sound, but I can definitely hear the American R sound you're picking up. I think the most important thing to note is it's not KEEVE like I'm hearing some people try to say now, it had two syllables.

@@deliusfan The most important part from what I've heard on the Russian pronunciation is they pronounce it with 2 syllables, emphasis on the second, and the vowel is "ehv". Listening to a lot of the Ukrainians being interviewed, I've heard a lot of difference in the emphasis of the rolled spanish "R"/"D" sound. Everything from this beautiful young ladies, very heavy "R" to the last person in the video's non existent "R". But what all of them have in common is the emphasis on the "EE" sound. If there is a second syllable because they take it slow, it is "ih" like "kiss", not "eh" like "bed". But most every one of them in regular speech does not speak in 2 syllables, it is instead a diphthong like "boat". Saying "KEEV" is like saying "bot" without the "Oh->oo" diphthong, and calling it the same word as "boat'. So I'd say for Americans who have trouble with the rolled R, Say "KEE" then throw a very quick unemphasized "ihv" at end.

@@kormathawa6152 I coach opera singers in foreign language diction, so this is a topic I care about. In America have never accented the second syllable. The famous dish has always been "Chicken KEE-ev". Maybe the Russians say Kee-EV, but I've never heard an English language speaker accent it that way. Also, I wasn't referring to a "rolled R", but the simple American vowel sound R. There shouldn't be any rolling in this word, to get to the final F sound it passes through a Y sound (KEE-yif). Then if you want to fix the first vowel and try to be more "native" about it, you make the first syllable KÜ like in German (for those not familiar, form a tight OO (like in zoo) with your lips and say EE through the mouth shape, like the final sound when we say "Eww!" In disgust) Interestingly enough, Greek borrowed words in German pronounce that Y in Ky the same way, as Ü (like mysterium). So the closest Latin character transliteration I can come up with is KÜ-yif. Now say that ten times fast. You'll go right back to how we always said Kiev before we tried to incorporate this spelling and pronunciation change. I'm afraid it's much ado about nothing, unfortunately.

@@kormathawa6152 There IS NO R in it at all! It is not KRIIV!

Suomi it is on Finland language And Finland on other languages

@@fomchenko exactly, Kyiv on ukrainian language, Kiev on others languages. So what's the problem?

@@Fjodor.Pravdin nope Kyiv on ALL LANGUAGES

@@fomchenko это тоже самое если бы Финляндия требовала называть себя Суоми на всех языках или Германия называть себя только Дойчланд и никак иначе. Никому например не мешает что Москва - Moscow, а не Moskva, не надо искать проблему там где её нет.

@@Fjodor.Pravdin Kiev это русское название, а не Украинское

You can spell anything if you want to

For Kiev, the second syllable is stressed. Like “kee-EV”. Fairly simple and easy for English speakers. But for Kyiv, the first syllable is stressed. Like “KY(uh)-yeev” the i in Kyïv is accented to show the “yee” sound. Not as straight forward for English mouths, but if you just remember to stress the first syllable that’s a start.

@Gavin Gas Not according to Ukrainians...... who actually owns Ukraine.

@Gavin Gas Nah. I studied Russian and Ukrainian. Kyiv is pretty much more accurate if we took it in Ukrainian Cyrillic. Russian virgins just cannot spell Київ in Russian Cyrillic or even pronounce it. That's why they have to replace it with Киев.

One thing tho. Kyiv is very easy to pronounce as an English speaker. It definitely has suck sounds in English.

God intended "Kyiv", and Satana intended "Kiev"

That's why I don't trust the U.S. media. They take their orders from people in the shadows and repeat exactly the same across all media.

@@dougs1315 Yep. Everytime I see something that seems minor like this being repeated, I question everything they say. There is always an agenda at play.

The mass media are morons.

It is pronounced as [ˈkɪjiu̯] in Ukrainian.

Well, after Russia's invasion and annexation of the Ukraine, you can go back to calling it "Kiev".

"the" makes it seem like it's not a country but a geographical region. The only country you would use "the" for is "the US", after all.

@@SilentProti the philippines

@@SilentProti the netherlands

you use "the" for countries whose name is in the plural form. example: the united statES, the philippines but NOT the Ukraine

When I was younger and figured out that Japan is actually Nihon or Finland was Suomi my mind was blown. Why don't we refer to places by the names the people of those places have given it? Then I remembered I'm American. Plus we inherited many of our spellings from the British who were very understanding of foreigners and far way lands. ;P

На Украине навязывают писать англичанам "KYIV". Хотя на сербском Белград - "Београд", а на английском "Belgrade".

@@artmalemusical4918 В Украине*

@@SmileChannel, Окраина

@@artmalemusical4918 болота за поребриком воют.

@@artmalemusical4918 окраина твоего мухосранска?

Ukrainians get offended by the use of Kiev because that was the Russian pronunciation of the city's name and it was forced on them during the Soviet era.

It’s not Moscow it’s called MORDOR here.

Name "Moscow" is suggested by Russians, Moscow belongs to Russians Name "Kyiv" is suggested by Ukrainians, and Kyiv belongs to Ukrainians Name "Kiev" is suggested by Russians, but Kyiv doesn't belong to Russians

@@MinorLife10 Did you get what you were saying? Who suggested and what has been suggested to the English language? Are you sure that foreign languages are responsible for the political and economical problems of the Ukraine? Also, please take into consideration that Kiev was Russian far before anyone heard about the place called: The Ukraine.

@@vladzet_jedi3942, only on east and south-east. Check the polls

@@vladzet_jedi3942, I've been to Kharkiv and Kyiv. I saw only 5 russian-speaking people

@@vladzet_jedi3942 Many Ukrainians are bilingual which reflects how dominant russification was in the past. Hope this shifts to more Ukrainians being able to speak English because that is the main international language. No harm in more Ukrainians learning foreign languages including Russian but seeing Russian as one of many others to learn not as a must!!!!

Using endonyms for well know cities is nonsens. Do people even know what you mean when you are talking about Shqipëri, Bharata, Magyarország or Hanguk? People are either going to think you are having a stroke or being pretentious if you pronounce names like Syria or Paris like their endonyms. And what do you call Belgium? And Brussels? Both halves of the country insist on using exonyms for the other half. If you seriously use only endonyms you are going to sound like a massive idiot. If you ever bother to learn another language the first thing you'll learn if the exonym for your own country. There's no reason to expect them to understand you otherwise, and many it's very hard to pronounce most langues properly anyway.

Also, in Ukraine's capital Russian is spoken, so some inhabitants would normally call it Kiev. The president for example.

@@gubruikertje All you have to do is say Kyiv or "Keeve" if that's easier for you to comprehend.

@@fibonaccisequins4637 why would I call the city something ridiculous like that. "Keef" sounds horrible but the Ukrainian is just too strange to say. "KEE-yiv" is probably the best option. Sounds pretty much the same as "KEE-ev" but is also a logical reading of Kyiv. It's what the BBC uses. From what I could find, Sky news also has an interesting approach by avoiding the name altogether, refering to it as "the capital of Ukraine" when needed.

@@gubruikertje It sounds nothing like Kee-ev but I have a feeling that you speak one language so this is probably a huge struggle for you. Like in what world is "Kee-ev" a "logical" reading of Kyiv?? How does "iv" make an "ev" (ryhmes with rev) sound lmao? Literally just say "keeve" its close enough, or try "kuh-yi-v" but when you say it quickly it will sound like same anyway... Also no Ukrainian is calling it Kiev...because its been called Kyiv or Київ by Ukraine since they became independent. This letter ї sounds like "yi" so the spelling K-yi-v makes sense and is as close and simple as you can get to the actual pronunciation.

I am a former professor of British linguistics. If one says: do you speak English? - there is no article. In case of the same with the word “language”, the definition should be: the English language. So: “the Ukrainian language” is the right use. As for the countries the article is not used, but there are some exceptions. “The Ukraine” has traditionally such an exceptional “the”. You are not alone who thinks that the Ukraine is a part of Russia, but it is not.

@@sahargubel2396 i think they were trying to emphasize that Ukraine should be perceived as its own country, not just Russia's sidekick.

For years Ukraine was a region of “the” Soviet, making it “the” Ukrainian SSR. But before that it was “the border land” as Ukraine literally translates as the border or the edge, therefore “the” was part of the noun. English speakers only repeated what was actually translated by Ukrainians, which was not intentional. It is not “the” Ukraine, as we know, but at least we can know why people unwittingly called it that.

We have "The Bronx" in the US, and there's "The Hague" in "The Netherlands", I'm fascinated by these place names requiring a definite article, I wonder if there is a list somewhere.

@@deliusfan I tend to think, though I could be completely wrong as it's just an opinion, in the US we also add and subtract words, letters, etc based on regions. For example, when you have a state as geographically large as Texas, you will end up with great diversity. Over time, accents and words will evolve into something new and all their own. Again, using Texas as an example, we have West Texas and we have West, TX. These are two very different places as West, TX is a town/city (in Central Texas) and West Texas is the region geographically located in the western part of the state. West has a history as a Czech settlement and West Texas is where all sand and tumbleweeds are (lol). Where I am is considered East Texas. Not the name of my town, but now it's generally capitalized. It has just evolved into that. Not everyone does it, but you see it more and more. I'm sure things work the same way I'm other places, I just have personal experience. This transition from lower case to capitalizing the regional areas have happened in my lifetime, so "fairly" recently (I'll be 50 in a few months 😬😂). Anyway, just some food for thought for those who like an odd, random and long-winded thesis on unimportant stuff.

Lila Dlaboha , what do you mean?

Lwow in Polish.

Insomniac Resurrected , why does it matter? lol

Fire Heart Nobody normal says Lviv...

@@insomniacresurrected1000 go to hell...

De factum there was one Rus' only. Just Rus' (Русь). It's name of rulers, then it's became name of people and terriory. Kievan Rus' is Moscow term (~19 century) developed to inventing multiple Rus'es: Moscow Rus', Nord East Rus' etc. that are never existed but invented to steal Rus' history and appropriate it by Moscow. They have chauvinistic theory: "after mongols Rus' moved from Kyiv to Moscow, so Ukrainians are outlanders in Kyiv" About Rusyns. People of Rus' state also named Rus' (Русь), one person - Rusyn (Русин). After few centuries new plural form appeared from old singular: Русини (Rusyns) and in modern language person and people are Rusyn and Rusyns, Rus' - state, area, rulers only. Starting on 17 century names Ukraine (country; known from 12 century) and Ukrainians (people) became more and more popular to avoid distingush with Moscow that called himself Russia (country) and Russians (people) (funny fact, literally: belonged to Rus'), in same western Russians-free areas name Rusyns still using somitimes. So, technically Ukrainians are Rusyns but word is not using now it this sense.

@@artemkomisarenko5921 Thank you!

Byzantine Roman , and not “rusyns”, but RUTHENES, or RUTHENIANS.

@@_FireHeart Rusyns is transliteration, Ruthenians is Latin. Both OK for me.

Kyivan Rus is the Ukrainian country. The capital was Kyiv. The modern Russia was Moscowia and Moscowia stole the name of Ukrainian country. Kyivan Rus is Russia in latina language and Rosia in greek. Moscow was created inside Kyivan Rus, but then separated.

most documentaries are made by yanks who mispronounce everything anyway, do you call him AYdolf as well? On a side note though I still say Kiev but it's not something I was ever certain about.

"Nueva York" is not the product of a foreign power trying to erase American culture. A slightly more apt comparison is that the city that today we call Mumbai was once referred to as Bombay. The change occurred because Bombay was both a corrupted version and an unwelcome reminder of British rule. Likewise, Kiev is an unwelcome reminder of ruthless soviet occupation and efforts to erase Ukranian language. Conversely, "Nueva York" is not a reminder of past Spanish subjugation. You can't simply ignore history and context and pretend none of it matters.

@@dcarrera01 People repeatedly say the word Illinois as Illi NOIS as in plural and LIKE Paris, the S is silent, because they are both FRENCH words. There is only 2 reasons why you would continually mispronounce a name: either Ignorance or disrespect. Out of respect, you should say and spell someone's or somewhere's name as THEY choose to say it, not how YOU choose to say it.

@@dcarrera01 Bombay actually derives from Portuguese Bom Bahia (Good Bay) which the locals turned into "Mumbai". So actually both Bombay and Mumbai are corrupted versions of Bob Bahia.

Фігню написав

В Украинском осталось Києв(Читаеться как Кыевъ), Київ получилось от имя Кый, отца основователя Кыєва.

You swck, bycht

brain washed russich nationalist

I see a Russian boot-licker ey?

You surely are embarrassed by your statement now. The word sees clearly that ruZZia is the successor to nazis!!!! Putin makes sure of that!!

That's not the point. Both are correct. One is derived from its Ukrainian name and another from its Russian name. Let's not forget that 3 nations; Belarus, Russia and Ukraine are all descendants of Kyivan/Kievan Rus' and they all have a right to call Kiev/Kyiv whatever they want because it was once their home too.

@@MWENDA-vv5im Absolutely, let's not forget about the fact, that the majority of Kiev speaks Russian, how about that? What a hypocritical agenda we are living in here, this people are so bloody annoying, I was born here, but I'm not telling them - "it's Kiev, not Kyiv!", cause I don't care, but this idiots are schizo in their rusophobia - cringe. Make it Kiev again, so would only talk about their dellusional ideas from their western villages?

@@MWENDA-vv5im So it’s a matter of supporting a corrupt Soviet past, or simply showing respect and pronounce it and spell it according to the pronunciation. Not too hard. But it is, if you’re stubborn.

Agreed. English is just mimicking the Russian pronunciation and most people aren’t even aware that the influence of the Soviet’s Russification is what made it so. Have some respect, people.

@@talkingmotanka Kiev was a Russian city for about 500 years. So its very normal for other countries to derive a name from its Russian pronunciation.

That's how they say it

@@chesterdonnelly1212 They should add the 'r' into the spelling then.

And #DniproNotDniepropietrovsk

@@ukrainian4072 , exactly.

How fascist can you be? You were calling it Kiev until the media told you to. I hate your idiotic way of rewriting history...

I like ammodoilycharmin, so I will use that.

I'm just going to say this from my families perspective and what my mom told me (Ukrainian family). We all pronounce it Ki-ev (the "Russian" way). There is a lot of history involved behind this but a big part of it is how old you are and what part of Ukraine you grew up in. Obviously the older you are the more likely you are going to pronounce it Ki-ev because that's how they were all taught growing up and the main language in Ukraine WAS Russian for a long time. My family speaks Russian and while my mom knows Ukrainian, I was never taught it because we spoke Russian at home. Which is why I find this whole thing about supporting Ukraine by calling the capital the "proper" (whatever that is) pronunciation kind of ridiculous. My whole family will continue to pronounce it Ki-ev 🤷.

@@kristinaruvinova5718 Yeah it seems a bit... nationalistic? Part of the history of Ukraine, even as an independent country is that it contains Russia speakers. Ukraine is not Ukraine without its Russian speakers, too! It's a bit exclusionary to speak like they are not part of the country's history and culture. So it seems a bit weird to me to speak like the proper way to "say Kyiv like the Ukranians" is to say "Kyiv" when there are many Ukrainians who DO NOT say it that way!

@@ShynyMagikarp Exactly, I've been seeing more and more posts about this on Facebook and it's honestly frustrating. Especially because many of those people are Americans who are not even from Ukraine. It just kinda feels like they are white knighting something that they think is right but have no clue about because they don't understand or know anything of Ukrainian history. And let's be honest here, the people of Ukraine have much bigger fish to fry at the moment then how their capital city is pronounced 🤦.

I have personally never met a single Ukrainian who has cared so much about it being Kyiv, and I know quite a lot Ukrainians.

@@ShynyMagikarp these are just the consequences of centuries of occupation. I myself was mostly Russian-speaking for a long time, but only because of my laziness and lack of consciousness as a citizen. I am not a nationalist. Kyiv is just right. Those who say "Kiev" out of habit are their problems. I say this as someone who spoke Russian most of his life, although he knew Ukrainian very well, because they are both my native languages. Those who consider this story of the cultural deoccupation of Ukraine from the Russian Empire (which still exists) funny - simply do not understand the topic and do not want to. They are used to using the Russian example, and these are their problems, because they live in Ukraine, not in "Little Russia (Malorossia)" as Russia says. Everything is changing very actively, now the vast majority of people in the country are Ukrainian-speaking, and the recognition of Russian, for example, as a second national language has always been the Kremlin's narrative, a continuation of the Russification policy of other countries (they actually occupied modern Belarus). What do you think of the fact that throughout history there have been 56 bans on the Ukrainian language? and there were more than 1,500 acts on one-time, not permanent, bans. The question of recognizing Russian as a second national language was only raised when the puppet of the Kremlin was in power, which is why the revolution of dignity happened in 2014, when the president, although he promised to join the EU, as he wished the people did not do this and refused the contract because the Kremlin said so. Yes, it is quite politicized, but how can it be otherwise when Russia is constantly trying to destroy Ukraine, including its language and Russify its population? In Ukraine, I was never oppressed for speaking Russian, it never happened. And I did not feel the need to say "Kiev" as an official name, because it is actually using the name of the capital of Ukraine on the part of the occupier. I would like everything to become adequate, and not "the whole world uses the occupation name because it's used to it." if the Greeks once captured Rome, called it their polis, occupied it for several centuries, destroyed the Italian language, committed genocides, and then the whole world said "Rimopolis". This is stupidity. The vast majority of people in Ukraine say "Kyiv", and everyone is free to name the cities as they want, but if they want to say it correctly simply according to the correct Latin transcription, then it will be Kyiv, not the Russian name Kiev. I apologize for possible mistakes, I used a translator. P.s. I will tell you more, the name Russia is literally translated from Greek as Rus. There was only one Rus, and that was Kyivan Rus, they had their own state - Muscovy, they were related to Rus' a long time ago when Moscow was a colony on the border of the Kyivan Rus' state. Then they steal the name, remake it for themselves (at that time there was still Rus as Ruthenia, and the Moscow tsars were very angry that European cartographers marked it as Rus and them as Muscovy, you can just google it), and that's it that later Putin could say at the meeting with Macron (I don't remember what year it was) that the Russian princess Anna was once married to the French king, although this is literally a Ukrainian story, she was a Kiev princess, and there is confirmation of this in France itself, as in Ukraine. Imagine if one of the countries of Africa said that it is France, and all the rulers of France are their rulers, and France itself is some kind of "Little France", in their language. Just as an example. Eh... I must have said all I could. Now Ukrainians must give thousands of lives for their freedom, once again. It was like that throughout history. It was probably not necessary to write the last sentences, but I will leave everything as it is, for completeness of the context.

Odd name for a twelve year old.

Comrade Putin thanks you for your comment.

thanks for not taking the knee for this idiotic mob that wants to alter the English language

@@nelsonricardo3729 Uncle Sam thanks you for a comment no one asked for

@@sziartopeter8943 elohssa, uoy kcuf

Київ [K i y i v] itself

same rule applies, If you call it Kyiv then it's Chicken Kyiv, if you call it Kiev it's Chicken Kiev.

LMAO out of nowhere. Sure...keep reading russian propaganda

@@anastasiiabondar What Russian propaganda? Ukraine didn't exist before the October Revolution and that's a fact.

@@MWENDA-vv5im the name "Ukraine" was first mentioned in the 12th century (1187 if I'm not mistaken) referring to the lands on the border between Polish and Kyivan Rus territories.

@@anastasiiabondar Are you high or what? You are talking about the name 'Ukraine' while I'm talking about a certain country called Ukraine. I repeat, Ukraine is a country that appeared out of nowhere during the October Revolution.

@@MWENDA-vv5im a country can't just "appear out of nowhere". It's time Russia accepted that Ukraine is a free independent country. LEAVE US ALONE

Yes, Kazakhstan.

And China

Maybe Mongolia and Belarus too.

@@ThePhoenix109 North Korea, I'm sure. And Belarus loves Russia as much as North Korea does. They are the happiest people on Earth.

They never "changed" it, it was Kyiv since the independence of Ukraine.

Haha very funny

@Gavin Gas what a clown

@Gavin Gas Cope.

@Gavin Gas Man. You need to cope at this point.

@Gavin Gas really depends if your calling it Key-ev or Key-Iv Kyiv is fine for the latter, Kiev for the former. But the audio on Wiki sounds like Key-yih like Ikea without I

it'll probably change.

there shouldn't be any "R" in Kyiv, in any dialect. If you hear somebody saying it, It's probably some personal pronunciation feature of that person.

Russian speaking people in Kyiv are only 40% because of immigration from Donbass. In 2013 population of Kyiv was only 2 millions, but in 2014 it quickly raised

No it's not because of immigration. Kyiv or Kiev, whatever, was a russian city

Bro, the placename Kiev and its pronunciation predates Putin's leadership by over a century

@@conchobar Yeah I know that. The word Kiev still indicates that Ukraine is Russian property, regardless of whether the Czar, Stalin, or Putin is currently in charge of Russia. Duh.

no

Kiev

@@UrielX1212 And Russia is just Ruthenia. Take the L fascist.

NO, not at all! You are MISPRONOUNCING it when you say KEY-ev, that was the entire point of this video.