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L3 24UA VS ECHO+ VS ECHO - Part 2 

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Conditions are 0% Moonlight (New Moon) with Clear skies at 11PM.
Flashing dots / lights in the tubes were caused by my phones LiDAR.

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21 фев 2023

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@Mr_Glenn
@Mr_Glenn 6 месяцев назад
Looks like the price is the biggest difference in most situations.
@Tattlebot
@Tattlebot Год назад
Do you have a UV torch? I've been wondering for a while if you can illuminate the area without alerting Gen 3 users. What's more is that a 365nm torch will make all sorts of objects like plastic on gear glow brightly.
@senator7352
@senator7352 Год назад
Photonis can go out of band so technically if you have the >1000nm laser/ir lights then yes gen3 can’t see them
@Tattlebot
@Tattlebot Год назад
@@senator7352 What I'm trying to point out is that unlike IR which has been talked to death, UV will make equipment fluoresce brilliantly. They should stick out like they're on FLIR. If GaAs users can't see the beam, you might just be able to reveal opponents with very high contrast, while maintaining light discipline.Just possibly, depending on the light source.
@ikai640
@ikai640 Год назад
@@Tattlebot I've got a pair of elbit xlsh from 22', can you mention how you'd conduct said experiment. I would want to try that
@revvyishonisd5027
@revvyishonisd5027 Год назад
For the record gen 3 can see those 1000+nm lights, they just are much dimmer looking. But they’ll still give you away if you turn one on in the dark.
@Tattlebot
@Tattlebot Год назад
@@revvyishonisd5027 What I've seen is that GAN can't see it at all, but the G2 can see it with unusably low sensitivity. However I'm talking about the other side of the spectrum, below 420 nm.
@skynat247
@skynat247 7 месяцев назад
JFYI your phone doesn't have LiDAR, that's just an IR dot grid. LiDAR is a different technology. Thanks for the great comparison though! Shows me what another 600 bucks would have gotten me with my NV purchase, I went for an ECHO with similar specs to the one on the right.
@jg7038
@jg7038 Год назад
seems like the level of detail is a lot more apparent inside buildings like the kitchen video. Sure the L3 is still brighter outside, but you cant see any more than the Echo
@senator7352
@senator7352 Год назад
What's even more interesting is that I believe ECHO/ECHO+ Can keep up with the L3 mostly due to the higher photon spectrum bandwidth offered by HyMa photocathodes. For instance, GaAs offer around 500nm to 900nm whereas HyMa photocathodes offer around 350nm to 1100nm, This *TECHNICALLY* means 53% more light is entering the intensifier (When of course the extra bandwidth of light are actually emitting any photons), so even though the gain numbers are nearly twice as low in some instances when the other specs such as SNR are similar, the differences aren't all that different after all. The story changes when you go into very dark rooms, but at least the fact that larger spectrums of light can enter the tube is probably why Photonis keeps up well, Especially with moonlight. Personally, I think If Photonis's raw gain horsepower was on par with L3/elbit, There wouldn't be much of a competition as its other mechanisms such as its hyper gating are ridiculously impressive compared to other tubes.
@thomas7293
@thomas7293 4 месяца назад
What are the gain numbers on your Echo + and Echo? I'm considering upgrading to L3 Filmless
@senator7352
@senator7352 4 месяца назад
10000-11000 on both echo and echo+, snr is more important than gain since you can have a very high gain tube but without high signal to noise ratio, when the tube is running at full power, the image will have less contrast and definition than something with double the snr and lower gain