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LA Police Gear Multi Curve Level IV Lightweight Armor Plate Test & Review 

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@Ak49xjx
@Ak49xjx 2 года назад
"It smells distinctly like cocaine." This is the type of honest comparison that I live for 😂
@smokingcrab2290
@smokingcrab2290 2 года назад
I don't do cocaine. I just love the smell.
@Ak49xjx
@Ak49xjx 2 года назад
@@smokingcrab2290 Dont we all........hypothetically of course...
@roymenke1909
@roymenke1909 2 года назад
I don’t like cocaine but cocaine likes me.
@Ak49xjx
@Ak49xjx 2 года назад
@@roymenke1909 Booger sugar loves everyone. She only wants world peace.
@JohnSmith-te1zd
@JohnSmith-te1zd 2 года назад
*sniffs plate* ... This shit has cut... Uh, I mean it has a shooters cut. Yeah, that's what I meant to say...
@bucdan9242
@bucdan9242 2 года назад
With level 4 armor being so cheap, there's really no excuse on not getting a set or two. Thank you for the great video!
@redeye8526
@redeye8526 2 года назад
yeah i dont understand why anyone would use steel anymore instead of ceramic either
@robbywoolums9071
@robbywoolums9071 2 года назад
There is an excuse, and that one is size and weight. I don’t have a need for that kind of protection, so I would opt for Hesco Special threat plates.
@bornfuct
@bornfuct 2 года назад
They lost me at the 5 yr shelf life...
@woodchippers_WestWingDimeBag
@woodchippers_WestWingDimeBag 2 года назад
@@redeye8526 steel is durable and lasts forever if you want to toss something in your trunk or under the seat of the truck, steel won't crack or degrade from heat
@baddriversofthenorcalarea500
@@bornfuct Shelf life means nothing. They still stop rounds.
@calholli
@calholli 2 года назад
If you remember, you tested LAPG level 3+.. and those already passed the level 4 test-- being black tip 30-06 AP. So I have no doubt that these will do great. I actually have two sets of these already: I got them on a sale for $103 per plate. I should have built 3 of them.
@koltaire5938
@koltaire5938 2 года назад
Yeah caught some while they were on sale for 104
@bucdan9242
@bucdan9242 2 года назад
That's one hell of a price! I will keep an eye out
@snoopywl8880
@snoopywl8880 2 года назад
I hear the plate has alot of foam around the edges that don't stop bullets at all
@calholli
@calholli 2 года назад
@@snoopywl8880 Did you not watch video? It's just a foam "coating that's barely thicker than paint. watch 10:10 (just click these numbers)
@snoopywl8880
@snoopywl8880 2 года назад
@@calholli well I've seen other videos of the level 4s and they have a good half inch of nothing all around im glad that's not the case
@kyleduddleston4123
@kyleduddleston4123 2 года назад
Me: "When I move, you move." My Multicurve Plate: "Just like that."
@lawrencemartinjr6888
@lawrencemartinjr6888 2 года назад
Love your videos and content! I’ve been a grunt most of my adult life and every time I get a notification that you’ve dropped a new one I always find something interesting or something I didn’t know… keep up the great work brother!
@Jason_The_Man
@Jason_The_Man 2 года назад
Love these plate tests. So far, which is your favorite, or maybe just what do you use?
@sha6mm
@sha6mm 2 года назад
I would like to know also !
@bigc6825
@bigc6825 2 года назад
RMA all the way for me.
@thomasspencer1876
@thomasspencer1876 2 года назад
I think Mrgunsngear uses the FRAS from Safeline Defense…or at least I think he used to
@semajniffirg230
@semajniffirg230 2 года назад
@@bigc6825 RMA is good stuff but much heavier than these or Botach's lvl4
@Jason_The_Man
@Jason_The_Man 2 года назад
@@thomasspencer1876 Thats exactly the one I’m thinking about purchasing. Have other armor and carriers from them and they seem solid.
@desmendETKILLAZ
@desmendETKILLAZ 2 года назад
I literally have been researching armor for the last couple of weeks including your old lapg level 3 review and you post a new video today! Talk about good timing.
@billskinner623
@billskinner623 2 года назад
You need an A1/A2 with M193 and M855. The extra four inches of barrel make both of those especially hard to stop. The 45 grain bullets are screaming but they are built to come apart when shooting at small fuzzy animals to not ricochet. BTW, you'll need to velocity test your ammo, most civilian 5.56 is only 2700-2800 from a 16 inch barrel. Not the advertised 2950-3100.
@calholli
@calholli 2 года назад
These and Battle Steel are the two best deals out there for Level 4 plates.
@MB-jg4tr
@MB-jg4tr 2 года назад
Yep. But BOTACH has a poor history with shipping & customer service. LAPG business for the win.
@williammcmanus5783
@williammcmanus5783 2 года назад
Great video Mike, that plate is amazing especially for the price.
@ColeDedhand
@ColeDedhand 2 года назад
Three hits, same hole, stopped it. I'm impressed.
@adamdyment9732
@adamdyment9732 2 года назад
I would have really liked to see some m193 out of a 16 or 20in barrel
@muddyhotdog4103
@muddyhotdog4103 2 года назад
Ya it'll stop that just fine
@adamdyment9732
@adamdyment9732 2 года назад
@@muddyhotdog4103 idk. M193 is actually pretty tough to stop if its full power on a 20in barrel
@tyronejackson6593
@tyronejackson6593 8 месяцев назад
That’s true but it’s not the bullet it’s the speed. So the 45 grain out of a 16 is gonna be faster.
@steveninaz9576
@steveninaz9576 2 года назад
I see a lot of others review where they talk a lot of shit about these. Hard to figure out why. But I bought my plates because of yiur review. Thank you Sir.
@BuffRANGE
@BuffRANGE 2 года назад
Who else reviewed these that said negative things?
@eric_brooks
@eric_brooks 2 года назад
@@BuffRANGE folks who paid 3x more per plate for similar performance.
@BuffRANGE
@BuffRANGE 2 года назад
@@eric_brooks I guess I only pay attention to a few other creators who do armor tests and Mike is one of them. Got a link or channel name?
@eric_brooks
@eric_brooks 2 года назад
@@BuffRANGE negative. Just an anecdotal observation. I have these plates and im sure they will be more than i could ever need.
@tyronejackson6593
@tyronejackson6593 8 месяцев назад
@@BuffRANGEI know this is really old but have you ever tested these? I’ve watched all your tests of the single curve would love to see you do the multi.
@pauldejoseph9997
@pauldejoseph9997 2 года назад
Thanks for this video. I got these plates a few months back ago. This makes me feel a little better
@thefucrew9865
@thefucrew9865 2 года назад
Thank you for testing those LAPG plates. I was wondering about them. Keep up the great work !!!
@billparks7368
@billparks7368 2 года назад
I like to see plate testing with the zombie torsos with the ribs and internals. To see the shock effect on your insides after getting hit. With the bulges you see you've got to have internal injuries from the first hit and be most likely out of the fight. But at least a better chance of surviving.
@SctyGrpPowers
@SctyGrpPowers 2 года назад
Your product tests are always very entertaining! Love your vids!
@Chuckinglead
@Chuckinglead Год назад
I should of watched the video before buying one but glad to see I didn't get ripped off thanks for the testing
@BuffRANGE
@BuffRANGE 2 года назад
Thanks Mike!
@brandtjustsayin
@brandtjustsayin 2 года назад
I have a set of LA Police Gear Lvl IV plates and a set of Botach Lvl IV. One is multi-curve and the other is a single curve. I ended up putting the single curve plates in the back of the carrier and the multi curve in the front. HUGE comfort difference in my opinion. And I'm not a skinny guy. 275lbs, 5'9", bulky build with a gut added. Hope I never need them but if so, I'm confident they will work better than a denim jacket and a chest rig. Lol.
@firstimeshooter6590
@firstimeshooter6590 2 года назад
I was just going to buy this but I was thinking ehh too god to be true. Then mrgunsngear showed up and POW. I’m sold.
@RichardNixion357
@RichardNixion357 2 года назад
Reaffirms my Biases. Makes me Happy.
@Username4453
@Username4453 2 года назад
@8:22 That's a weird noise for a firearm to make. It sounds like it's shooting ping pong balls 🏓 or something.
@josephreisinger33
@josephreisinger33 2 года назад
Tanks Mike. Know I'm feeling better about these plates because there the ones I have in my carrier. Take care and ⌚your 6.....
@msh441
@msh441 7 месяцев назад
That is CRAZY for a ‘cheapie’ level IV plate!!! Going to search now and see if you tested tier level III.
@941Earl
@941Earl 2 года назад
Pretty impressive. Thanks for the video!
@grayghost804
@grayghost804 2 года назад
When I first looked into plates many years ago, I was going to get a multi curve for the front and a flat for the back; yes, to save on costs. Then someone... somewhere told me get both in multi curve. Why? If you take a hit to your front plate you literally have a backup on your back.
@aguythatthinks7931
@aguythatthinks7931 2 года назад
Lol!!! The dirt even has grass, lol when I saw that I immediately started laughing
@murphy9924
@murphy9924 2 года назад
Watched a video of these plates going thru four 30-30 rounds. Pretty impressive
@frenchroast1355
@frenchroast1355 2 года назад
Would like to see the same test but with a ballistic clay "torso" behind it to see the energy transfer.
@warrenharrison9490
@warrenharrison9490 2 года назад
It's very interesting to see how much depression your body would experience when hit.
@connor1982
@connor1982 2 года назад
If you're worried about that ceramic probably isn't what you're looking for then. They all will deform and punch you pretty hard depending on what's hitting you
@jacobfuhrer
@jacobfuhrer 2 года назад
I was listening to this video through my headphones while at work. 8:22 sounded like some kind of cartoon gun, I had to park my forklift to watch that part to see what I just heard lol.
@eric81872
@eric81872 2 года назад
Thank you for the video! ☺♥
@954dsm25psi
@954dsm25psi 2 года назад
Another awesome equipment review. Thank you for your work
@wolffo999
@wolffo999 2 года назад
love’em - huge value
@g.h.3049
@g.h.3049 2 года назад
Love these plate tests👍
@saulgoodman1691
@saulgoodman1691 2 года назад
I bought them because I watched these videos and you posted a link on Twitter for $107 for the single curve, and then saw another RU-vid video where someone tested 4 brands with this being one and it didn’t stop the 30.06 after (1) 7.62x39 and (2)wolf .223. Plus every time he shot them it blew out softball size sections of ceramic which also doesn’t happen here. The same thing also happened to RMA and MIRA plates in that video. So who knows maybe luck of the draw or possibly cherry picked when companies know they’re for a review, but still a good deal.
@tyronejackson6593
@tyronejackson6593 8 месяцев назад
Can you link that video?
@boldie24
@boldie24 2 года назад
As always, great stuff Mike. "All armor must die". lol
@Devilman666
@Devilman666 2 года назад
RMA has level 4 multi curve for 169.99. a bit heavier plate at 8.2 lbs but definitely cheaper.
@devanharding9282
@devanharding9282 2 года назад
I've heard these have a foam boarder to decrease weight and no one ever shoots the edges of em. I would go rma they are atleast solid
@nicholaswadena1552
@nicholaswadena1552 2 года назад
Awesome video. Great information
@dylanbrown3840
@dylanbrown3840 2 года назад
That's good the regular lapg plates have like 3/4 of a inch pad around the whole plate
@AlaskanBallistics
@AlaskanBallistics Год назад
Great Video thanks!
@shirolee
@shirolee 7 месяцев назад
Awesome review!
@bigoz7
@bigoz7 Год назад
Great video very informative!
@Renaldo135
@Renaldo135 2 года назад
Keep up the excellent work brother...I just bought the SAFE LIFE level 4 plates similar to that Chinese made LA POLICE GEAR plate at 338 for two plates so I think that may be a better deal and made in THE US OF A so I'm happy about that for sure. They also claim their plates are only 5.8 pounds.
@gochi6542
@gochi6542 2 года назад
I got two lapg lv4 plates for 280. This is usually up to preference, but I don’t particularly care where’s something made as long as it works. I’m sure either plate will serve us well, be safe.
@Jcaeser187
@Jcaeser187 Год назад
I'd love to support local business but they're selling to police and the federal government and those people hate us and will violate our rights. Also I'm young and on a budget so it's based to have a more affordable alternative made oversees, atleast our enemies in the east are selling us decent gear.
@tyronejackson6593
@tyronejackson6593 9 месяцев назад
I know this is old but I hope you see it because those SafeLife defense plates you got are not Level 4. They are Level 4 ICW (in conjunction with). Meaning you have to wear them over a level 3a soft armor to get level 4 protection. By themselves they are not stopping level 4 threats.
@MrSLF
@MrSLF 2 года назад
Thank you.
@thomasbenefield3527
@thomasbenefield3527 2 года назад
Nice. I have a couple of these plates.
@Talmadgerogers
@Talmadgerogers 2 года назад
Okay, any chance you were in Fayetteville NC at the Systel Building on Wednesday 3/30? If that was not you, beware you have a doppelganger
@horseohana
@horseohana 2 года назад
That's a great plate. Thx
@bsimmons00
@bsimmons00 2 года назад
Wait! You "WAS[sic] a FORMER law enforcement officer"??? So you're back on the force? Fed!!! :) Had to poke a little fun...
@0megaJB
@0megaJB 2 года назад
If you wear armor to any length of time, the multi curve makes a big difference. Unfortunately these plates are out of stock, hopefully LAPG will get a restock soon.
@wade6523
@wade6523 2 года назад
Wonder if the dogs think it smells like it too. He a interesting encounter.
@hansblitz7770
@hansblitz7770 2 года назад
If they made it out of compressed Bolivian Gold that'd be one esspennsive plate.
@mma709
@mma709 Год назад
I wear armor for a living. Right now I carrying AR500 level 3 plus steel. The total weight is 16lbs, and I wear it for 12hr shifts and I stand or walk the whole shift
@aesthetic8780
@aesthetic8780 Год назад
Wtf? Why should you do that ?
@mma709
@mma709 Год назад
@@aesthetic8780 why wear that or why do what I do for a living?
@aesthetic8780
@aesthetic8780 Год назад
@@mma709 Why wearing steel plates? Its a steel target, not Body Armor. It's perfect for car doors or similar stuff but not on the body. On top it's extremely high in weight.
@mma709
@mma709 Год назад
@@aesthetic8780 one it’s what I can afford two I trust American made steel plates over China made ceramic. I actually get shot at on a regular basis
@hstone-kf7su
@hstone-kf7su 10 месяцев назад
@@mma709😅😅
@multicammando
@multicammando 2 года назад
Putting dirt in boxes while sniffing cocaine? 🧐 Hmm😆😁😁. Thanks for the awesome reviews!
@joetexas1546
@joetexas1546 2 года назад
I wanna see what .338 Lapua does to level 4 armor!
@semajniffirg230
@semajniffirg230 2 года назад
It will probably stop it from penetrating but the backface deformation and energy transfer would be devastating anyway.
@Whitefeather83
@Whitefeather83 2 года назад
👍 great video.
@huwhitecavebeast1972
@huwhitecavebeast1972 2 года назад
My level 4's weigh 4 pounds, but I ain't throwing those on most situations. Normally I wear level III+ from Dayton armor, RF2 that weighs 2 pounds.
@Matt-dc8lp
@Matt-dc8lp 2 года назад
Great stuff...but that RF2 is like $740.
@huwhitecavebeast1972
@huwhitecavebeast1972 2 года назад
@@Matt-dc8lp Yes, but I was willing to pay for mobility, I did get a discount however. Lugging around 12 + pounds of armor is something I will avoid if possible.
@GrabYourCoffee
@GrabYourCoffee 2 года назад
Haha I was about to say, what! Sniff sniff 🤣 great content dude
@jackson7421
@jackson7421 2 года назад
Is that a black tipped 30-06 in your pocket? Or are you happy to see me? LOL
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@michaelvstheworld3680
@michaelvstheworld3680 2 года назад
Is that smog coming out of the plate? So that is how LA is cleaning the air.
@nutsnfancy
@nutsnfancy 2 года назад
I'm pretty sure that smog came from China somewhere.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@prfwrx2497
@prfwrx2497 2 года назад
8:20 that's a really odd sound signature.
@gochi6542
@gochi6542 2 года назад
I wouldn’t trust an armor plate from LA if it DIDNT smell like cocaine
@TomFoolery0077
@TomFoolery0077 2 года назад
Apparently Mike likes to party
@robertharold2503
@robertharold2503 2 года назад
Good video
@BG-gx3cf
@BG-gx3cf Год назад
What would be another alternative for these plates if you wanted to go up a little more these do look like some good starter plates
@tonnywildweasel8138
@tonnywildweasel8138 2 года назад
I am a Dutch guy, from the Netherlands 🌷. Absolutely no experience with armor plating. But I'm a big guy, 2 meters tall. 6 foot 7 ? Anyway, these plates always seem so small to me; are there no bigger ones? Longer and wider? Always enjoy your vids! Greets, T.
@nutsnfancy
@nutsnfancy 2 года назад
@Tony The largest military specification personnel armor plate available here in the U.S. that I'm aware of is 11x14 inches. Or, X-Large SAPI. Those are freedom units of course. Converted to Communist Measurement units the plate would be 28cm x 35.5cm
@tonnywildweasel8138
@tonnywildweasel8138 2 года назад
@@nutsnfancy : oké, thanks!
@aesthetic8780
@aesthetic8780 Год назад
It's illegal for American people to ship armor to EU countries. Just order XL plates from protection group Denmark (best plates on the Civil market) Or Militech XL ESAPI plates.
@tonnywildweasel8138
@tonnywildweasel8138 Год назад
@@aesthetic8780 : Thanks, appreciate it 👍
@mmelgoza1983
@mmelgoza1983 2 года назад
You probably have multiple 20" AR's. I wonder why you don't use them for these tests.
@Itsdamnitjeremy
@Itsdamnitjeremy Год назад
Well shit, looks like I need 2 of those and an Atlas Carrier
@TheMaroney
@TheMaroney Год назад
I got these 2.5 years ago for 250 for 2. Damn stuff got expensive
@Crayoneaterprepper
@Crayoneaterprepper 8 месяцев назад
Why do people still hate on LAPG? Ik that obviously it doesn't have the best quality control but what other problems does it have with it?
@corey.lawrence897
@corey.lawrence897 2 года назад
The only question I really have is, what is growing in the field and how does it respond to lead poisoning? Lol
@thegreenman2030
@thegreenman2030 2 года назад
I believe he has said it’s tobacco.
@warrenharrison9490
@warrenharrison9490 2 года назад
Suppressed mpx sounds like an airsoft 😳
@DerWaidmann_
@DerWaidmann_ 2 года назад
Bet this LA Police armor still wouldn't withstand a slap from Will Smith
@gordonadams4793
@gordonadams4793 2 года назад
SIZE and shape matter. Curve for the front. Flat for the back.
@OrdinaryAmerican
@OrdinaryAmerican 2 года назад
Great review! Regarding prices, what about the RMA level IV?
@connor1982
@connor1982 2 года назад
It works about the same in quality but it's heavier by quite alot
@aesthetic8780
@aesthetic8780 Год назад
RMA is only useful when you're stationary. If you need to Move, RMA is impossible to wear
@roccolentz7969
@roccolentz7969 2 года назад
What's a site to order these? Thanks for the videos my man!
@CCWLONGSHOT
@CCWLONGSHOT 2 года назад
LA police gear is the website
@beenready8057
@beenready8057 Год назад
BEST COMMENT EVER... "Smells just like cocaine for some reason"...🤣🤣🤣 JUST GOT this same plate for $119 off their site. OH, Forgot about the added 10% discount... All in +Shipping, Just over $100...Ready... AND... BUY😅
@adamtudor8201
@adamtudor8201 2 года назад
At what point would backface deformation kill a person?
@nutsnfancy
@nutsnfancy 2 года назад
Will these plates cause a hit from a canine working the road? Asking for a friend. Thanks
@horsefingerandthetaintwrig8039
@horsefingerandthetaintwrig8039 2 года назад
Which agency? I thought you were counter-atf sleeper cell.
@SgtEaglefort
@SgtEaglefort 2 года назад
have you tested RMA Defense lvl 4 armor yet?
@snoopywl8880
@snoopywl8880 2 года назад
Which would you choose lapg or rts? Or even RMA in that price range I need some plates
@SoCalPatriot81
@SoCalPatriot81 2 года назад
for the algorithm!
@craighansen7594
@craighansen7594 2 года назад
If they are so light, why not make a standardized larger size? It's like, "-make sure you hit me in the plate!".
@muddyhotdog4103
@muddyhotdog4103 2 года назад
So it has a gassy like kerosene/methylene smell to it? I once "smelled" that stuff too at my job
@whitenight369
@whitenight369 2 года назад
Can we expectedly get the plates molded to fit the majority of our upper and lower regions adequately or is change a rhino in the room?
@User-rj2dk
@User-rj2dk 2 года назад
Yup
@jdharrison01
@jdharrison01 2 года назад
I have never snorted cocaine I just smelled it.
@DIYDad1
@DIYDad1 2 года назад
Everyone I talk to who’s served or in the industry tells me these are absolute garbage and will get you killed because they aren’t NIJ certified. Heavier plates means better protection from what I’ve been told and you NEED to run trauma plates. I think you just proved that this plate is the real deal as always. For the price LAPG is hard to beat. And at 6 lbs it’s not going to kill you LARP’ing around the woods either!
@connor1982
@connor1982 2 года назад
I feel like this armor is the best for armed security situations because it's not too heavy and definitely will handle anything some street thugs are gonna bring
@DIYDad1
@DIYDad1 2 года назад
@@connor1982 yeah I agree I’m thinking about getting some of these. Like I said in my original comment people I know said these aren’t worth it when your life is on the line but considering if that happens I’m in a terrible place anyway if I get shot once or twice if I can walk away from that it’s already a bad situation and having better plates isn’t going to help anyway and should just get away from the bad situation instead lol. Unless all hell breaks loose in this country I’m not going to be waking around with $800 set of nij level 4 plates. Most threats will be from handguns anyway.
@aesthetic8780
@aesthetic8780 Год назад
Yeah man, this hype about USA MADE $1000+ body Armor is such a scam. Especially because 90% of the armor is made in China. UHMWPE is not possible to made in USA. It's only produced in China. USA has not a single UHMWPE fabric.
@tyronejackson6593
@tyronejackson6593 9 месяцев назад
The heavier plates are better for protection thing falls apart when you look at some of the really spendy really light hesco plates.
@Dakota-je9os
@Dakota-je9os 2 года назад
Would have been hilarious if the first shot the plate exploded into a white cloud of cocaine lol
@lovetogun3611
@lovetogun3611 2 года назад
I had a flashback of the smell of cocaine and had to poop
@BrassBashers
@BrassBashers 2 года назад
Does anyone else feel they need 11x14 inch plates? I'm 6'0" with a 30" length pant, meaning I have a looong torso. Wearing the regular plates in a plate carrier makes it feel like I don't even cover everything essential, I know it's a last line of defense but still I feel the bigger plates would be better for me. Worth the additional cost? Anyone run bigger plates, or hell even side plates and/or added kevlar in different spots for added protection?
@muddyhotdog4103
@muddyhotdog4103 2 года назад
If youre super long/wide in the torso and a 11x14 doesn't hinder your movement or shooting positions too much then go for it, but unless you've tested one I'd just stick with 10x12 at your size .. I'm 6,4 -225lb with a long torso/wide chest and I feel confident wearing a 10x12.. it's only meant to cover your heart and most of your upper liver area which are very high up, not your intestines and kidneys. Pretty much what your ribcage covers, any lower than that and it's uncomfortable as it obstructs your movement when bending over or sitting. I could get away with a 11x14 but I'd rather have better mobility..
@Fightosaurus
@Fightosaurus 2 года назад
Great content and some solid, affordable ceramic hybrid plates! They need a reddit forum called Le Police Gear 🤣
@docmurray2066
@docmurray2066 2 года назад
So, I'm just gonna say it, back face deformation is a little concerning.
@nickmullins2266
@nickmullins2266 2 года назад
Mr gng: I don’t like coc**ne, I just like the way it smells. -Probably
@japa_koniu
@japa_koniu 2 года назад
is that a black tip in your pocket or you just happy to see me
@warrenharrison9490
@warrenharrison9490 2 года назад
THICKKKK 😮
@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521
Being made in China shouldn’t be a concern? Sincere question.
@koshaparola9936
@koshaparola9936 2 года назад
@2:40, Some Marshall, somewhere, wanna fact check this statement.
@randomgamer-st1ie
@randomgamer-st1ie 8 месяцев назад
I hate cocaine, I just love the way it smells.
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