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Lab Update #53 - Chinese Pure Sine Wave Inverter MODDED 

Johannes Hübner
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After my failed attempts to use a Prius inverter in my Touran (for charging, DC/DC and 230V AC generation) I am now trying my hands at modifying a Chinese-made 12V to 230V sine inverter to run from 360V DC directly.

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@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear Год назад
I should add that the inverter roasted its sine filter coil after a short amount of time and then exploded its IGBTs. I have now replaced it with a 3 kW "sine inverter board" as suggested by NiHaoMike and that works so far (also EG8010). Kind of, actually, the bus caps seized after some time and the sine filter coil wiggled loose. Fixable though.
@markuszingg3131
@markuszingg3131 2 года назад
Great, just learned new stuff!
@NiHaoMike64
@NiHaoMike64 2 года назад
There are HVDC to AC boards that can be found by searching for "sine inverter board" and looking for one that specifies 380V DC input.
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 года назад
Yes indeed, that is even easier and smaller :) www.ebay.de/itm/324568853795
@garyhoffmann1615
@garyhoffmann1615 2 года назад
Looks like it is based on the EG8010 IC, it is worth downloading the datasheet for details. They can be set up for variable voltage and frequency output.
@KuntalGhosh
@KuntalGhosh 2 года назад
its egs002.
@XXXXIndices
@XXXXIndices 2 года назад
@@KuntalGhosh EGS002 is the PCB with the EG8010 chip on it, data sheet for EGS8010 is more detailed and incudles the EGS002 board circuit. There is a design flaw on the EGS002 that can blow the MOSFETs on startup. I have been running my house with an 8KW 48V Inverter I built myself for the last 7 years.
@Stefan_Dahn
@Stefan_Dahn 2 года назад
@@XXXXIndices Where is that design flaw on that PCB and what does it cause, if I might ask?
@XXXXIndices
@XXXXIndices 2 года назад
@@Stefan_Dahn The LM393 circuit causes random situation where all MOSFETs are turned on at the same time on startup. To disable the LM393 on the EGS002 remove R7 and C21 then short C21 contacts. This pulls down to ground both negative inputs into the 2 opamps on LM393 as well as the 8010 IFB. This now ensures the gate drive chips will never get a high input on the shut down pins, nor let the 8010 receive a SPWMEN low to disable output.
@josepeixoto3715
@josepeixoto3715 6 месяцев назад
Thanks much, my inverter with the EGS002 has been, twicw, shorting and burning the output IGBTs precisely as you say on trasients on STARTUPS when the condensers are still charged,it seems, amazing that you caught that, i will try what you said, and do you know if that does not bring any other problems? thank you; @@XXXXIndices
@pauludrea4082
@pauludrea4082 Год назад
Bought an identical one and surprise, surprise it lasted 3 seconds; BANG! and then smoke from inside. The sound was really loud, like a gunshot. Didn't even get a chance to plug in anything and was dead. The DCV display was still working, green LED on, but the AC display was dead and of course no power on the AC side. Made in china; what to expect? Clearly was not tested before leaving the factory, otherwise they would have enjoyed the bang, not me.
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 Год назад
The best thing is that the Lvyuan inverter there, it has the EGS002 control board inside; not quite the EGS002 but perfectly interchangeable; so this inverter is repairable ,the EGS002 boards are only 4 or 5 dollars other inverters with the control ICs numbers sanded off,most of them, are to avoid
@vengug7303
@vengug7303 2 года назад
Hello sir great explanation.... Can you have stm32 based pure sine wave inverter full bridge single phase sketch for 220v 50hz please...
@o0OMouseO0o
@o0OMouseO0o 2 года назад
That's an amazing but so very simple inverter hack. I guess it's still reference to the battery terminal voltage or is it isolated?
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 года назад
It is actually isolated. One transformer has an extra tap for the low voltage supply of the inverter controller
@pashko90
@pashko90 2 года назад
This is interesting. What is a limiting factor of this circutry? Output transistors? I'm really scratching my head about to buy a 48v 15kw inverter. Its gonna be so nice to use a prius inverter to do so. I need to run my IGBT welder and air compressor.
@Stefan_Dahn
@Stefan_Dahn 2 года назад
3 phase? Did you manage to get one? I would like to have 3-phase 230V-Star in my Tesla.
@pashko90
@pashko90 2 года назад
@@Stefan_Dahn single phase 240v
@alibro7512
@alibro7512 2 года назад
Great idea Johannes but do you still need the 12V side connected or is that side of the board redundant?
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 года назад
It is indeed redundant but I'm reluctant to Dremel it off. Do destructive... With that done the inverter would be half the size
@alibro7512
@alibro7512 2 года назад
@@EngineersFear if you resoldered the 12V components and used a switch to disconnect the two halves it could still work off 12v
@ev-olution8597
@ev-olution8597 2 года назад
Can you share the link where you bought it from? I am looking at different inverter options online and can't find exactly same inverter as in your video. They all differ slightly. So my concern is that they might differ inside also. Thanks.
@ev-olution8597
@ev-olution8597 2 года назад
I ended up buying 2000W DC to AC DIY sine wave inverter kit from Aliexpress for 31 Euro (not assembled). Will give it a try. The only concern I got now is isolation. By looking in to datasheet it looks like the only thing that divides AC side from DC side is mosfets. There might be spectacular fireworks going on if these mosfets fail :)
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 года назад
@@ev-olution8597 Yes, no transformer. I am using a small 12V-to-12V DC/DC converter to power the logic, otherwise the cars chassis would be connected to HV!
@howardescoffery4950
@howardescoffery4950 2 года назад
Crap I bought one about a two years ago only lasted 3 weeks the guts are in the back as I am thinking one day I can use it as parts
@jacksmith3951
@jacksmith3951 Год назад
Lot like your inverter not have ground wire to plug i have inverter have white,black and green wire to inverter plug out put 800 watts 8A 120V 60hz
@ev-olution8597
@ev-olution8597 2 года назад
For incorrect current readings on display you might be bypassing resistor for current sensing by connecting DC power feed after it. It looks like you applying DC power straight to capacitor. It should be a very low value resistor or peace of wire that acts as a resistor connected between real GND and capacitor GND. You must connect DC power supply GND before that resistor to get correct current readings on display.
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 года назад
Yes the resistor is well visible. I tapped in before it. The values seem to be off by a factor of 10, maybe mismatch between firmware and BOM?
@nanotek7393
@nanotek7393 7 месяцев назад
it is more safe to hit a hammer on a nitro bottle then use chinese invertors
@josepeixoto3715
@josepeixoto3715 6 месяцев назад
i too have bad luck with them, 2 burned up, and again after repair, their mosfets and IGBTs are crap
@kennthbrowne7051
@kennthbrowne7051 Год назад
My inverter build much better than that I have 3000 watts pure sine wave cnswipower my heatsinks is big
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear Год назад
Yes, replaced mine now with the 3 kW version
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