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Lackawanna Cut-Off - Part 21A: The "Missing" 21 Miles - Andover to Greendell 

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Join us as we embark on a six-part mini-series under Part 21 (Parts A-F) where we journey across the 21 "missing" miles of the Lackawanna Cut-Off west of Andover, New Jersey. In each part, we will explore a different section of the 21 miles, going east to west. In Part A, we'll start with the Andover to Greendell section, which includes a trip across the famed Pequest Fill. In the past, Chuck and his videographer/daughter Larissa have driven over, walked over, and even flown over the Cut-Off . This time, Chuck takes to his bicycle to tour the part of the Cut-Off that is the subject of the ongoing engineering study for the complete reactivation of the Cut-Off.

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@PeterT1981
@PeterT1981 5 лет назад
You’re a celebrity Chuck! Brilliant leaving the conversation at the beginning. Really brings the adventure home. The motorcyclist was right: “Very very educational”.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Thank you. I appreciate hearing that. I really wasn't sure how to handle the sequence--leave it in, or edit it. The creation of the closed captioning was a bit challenging since their part of the dialogue wasn't detected. I always tweak the CC anyway, because the RU-vid generated version is always terrible.
@Arturo-sm1tb
@Arturo-sm1tb 5 лет назад
At least it is good to know Jason and his friend are helping to keep the right of way clear, in this "missing" segment of the cutoff.... If there were trees down, its guys like this that will help open it up for bikers, runners and ATVs. One of more interesting spontaneous moments of this historical series.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Jason is a regular out there as Larissa got to talk to him while waiting for me to arrive in a future segment.
@johnkranick1287
@johnkranick1287 5 лет назад
LOVE the videos...keep them coming!!! Maybe some day I'll be able to take a train from Scranton to NYC...
@kevinlynch1227
@kevinlynch1227 5 лет назад
Thanks Chuck. I really enjoyed this video and I'm looking forward to watching the next few. In 2005 or 2006 I did ride the three miles on a four-wheeler from Andover, west, over the pequest fill. Just as you did today but I didn't quite make it to Greendale. The GoPro does make it look a little narrower, I remember it being slightly wider. I also remember the railroad ties on the left going west. Also, back then, it seemed as if there was much more brush and I was constantly ducking as small branches were often hitting my helmet. Thanks again. This brought back a lot of memories. I would like to do it again someday. The vibration from the bicycle was not a problem at all. I was thrilled to watch the entire video. I appreciate all the comments, pictures and history. I'm so glad you're SO into this! THANKS!! Kevin
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
I imagine it was a much quicker trip, lol.
@johncaselli9593
@johncaselli9593 5 лет назад
Very impressive Chuck, as you sure got your workout for the day! I enjoy watching your entire series of videos on the NJ Cut-Off. I liked you using the Go Pro camera on your bicycle helmet, as it captured what the former ROW looks like now-days and it was if I was riding along with you. Also, including the various pictures of both the “Then” and “Now” along your journey informed the viewer of where you were at. Keep up the excellent work and thank you again for a very enjoyable segment in this series.
@epluciennik
@epluciennik 5 лет назад
I get the notification, and it says the video has been uploaded 38 seconds ago and it already has 38 views. You’re going viral, Chuck!
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Yes, of course. The line was all double track. And about 20% of it was three tracks wide. At both ends it was four tracks wide.
@ap70621
@ap70621 5 лет назад
I remember the bridge at Greendell. I went over it once when I was a young kid with my dad (mid 1990's). I remember seeing the signal bridge right next to the road bridge. Years went by and I was not able to remember exactly where it was and not able to find it in the general area I thought it could be. I thought I may have imagined it. Then while doing research on the cutoff, I came across pictures of Greendell with the road bridge and signal bridge and determined that had to be the place I remembered!
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
That was Wolf's Corner Road.
@tennwilcox8663
@tennwilcox8663 5 лет назад
Having grown up and lived near the old school house 30 years ago it was sure nice to take the ride with you, just wish you would have taken some time to pan left and right to show more of the surrounding areas. Used to sleigh ride down the coal shoot right across Sutton road from the old school house, still bare the scar on my right thigh from the dumped spent coal. Did our share of ice skating on turtle pond and tubing down the peaquest. What a blast we had as kids, great place to grow up. Thanks for the ride and may I suggest a chest harness for your go pro next time, it should smooth out the video.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Check out Part 4 (Pequest Fill) where we are at ground level with the schoolhouse. I'll look into the harness, although then turning will be a problem.
@ndweiler
@ndweiler 11 месяцев назад
Hi Chuck, No mention of crossing over the Sussex Mine Railroad right-of-way, which would have been just east of Route 206 -- roughly MP 53.5? Was that line still in operation when the Pequest Fill was being dumped? If so, did they have to build a tunnel for that r-o-w? Thanks, Norm in Branchville.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 10 месяцев назад
Well, the Sussex Branch itself had replaced the mine railroad long before the Cut-Off. So, the ROW of the Sussex Branch is the only one that goes under the Cut-Off there.
@cliffford
@cliffford 7 месяцев назад
Must have been rough on the tires.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 2 месяца назад
Long story...it loosened my rear wheel, which came off while I was riding around my neighborhood. Ouch!
@CGRLCDR
@CGRLCDR 5 лет назад
Nice video. I recommend an electric assist bike for these type of adventures. You can either buy one ready made or modify your existing bike with an after-market kit. I frequently use my electric assist bike on rail beds and rail trails.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
I'm OK without it. Once I'm done with the mini-series (Part 21) I won't need it. Besides, the work-out is good. It's only frustrating when I run into the sections that are not negotiable on two wheels.
@johnhollister3
@johnhollister3 5 лет назад
Hi Chuck. Great video as usual. I learn something new in every episode. Looking forward to the next installment. Where exactly did you jump onto the cut-off in Andover? I want to retrace your rides on my gravel bike. Hope to ride the Pequest Fill before the views are blocked by the trees.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
John Hollister, you can get in the ROW easily from Roseville Road, which parallels the Cut-Off at the station site. That’s at the top of the first hill on Roseville Road coming in from Route 206.
@ningxiawolfberry
@ningxiawolfberry 5 лет назад
My friend and I discovered the cutoff in the 90s. We were on the Sussex branch trail riding our bikes when we discovered it. The cutoff at the time had large gravel rocks which made it very difficult to ride on it and we mostly walked our bikes and discovered the roseville tunnel. Weeks later we were on the trail going from Sparta to Columbia and saw the large bridge overhead which was the cutoff again. We then rode our bikes again on heavily graveled road to the Delaware bridge. It was a great discovery.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Yes, the loose ballast. A mountain bike would be ideal. I once took a racing bike up there (my present bike is a hybrid) and it was awful. Years of dirt bikers and ATVers, I'm afraid.
@jerrykern6125
@jerrykern6125 4 года назад
Chuck is a real Trooper going 3 miles on a bicycle in that kind of fill. Jerry
@RussellNelson
@RussellNelson 2 года назад
52:20 I can verify that no matter how bad the ballast side was, the tie side would have been worse.
@bsalightning69
@bsalightning69 2 года назад
Would love to have done a ride along on this series to see the sights and have a person that really knew what places were and answers...
@warrenwilson4818
@warrenwilson4818 5 лет назад
Great! Bouncing does NOT adversely affect the "experience."
@gronku2
@gronku2 5 лет назад
Nice ride sir. As a heads up, there is a good rough spot between the Paulinskill and the Delaware. You might have to walk the bike.
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Thank you. I expect that there will be those kind of spots. Just east of the Paulinskill Viaduct--and the bridge itself--is not good either
@joeserin9593
@joeserin9593 5 лет назад
You see, that's NWNJ. Everyone is friendly on the trails.
@cjones3710
@cjones3710 3 года назад
Rebuild the line.
@1990sRailfan
@1990sRailfan 5 лет назад
Wiki says the cutoff closed in 1979,but they bothered running a Jordan Spreader up the line in 1983?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
There are two schools of thought on the use of the Jordan Spreader in Feb 1983, neither of which makes a whole lot of sense. The first school of thought is that they were keeping the line open as a bypass route in case of snow closing down the Lehigh Valley, for example. I find that very unlikely, given that spike removal had already been done, making it risky to run any freight on the line...and the need to run over the Poconos and then via NJ Transit. The second school of thought was that Conrail was trying to accelerate the removal of the rail, which would take another 19 months to complete. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense either, as the snow would most likely be gone in a month or so anyway. They were in that much of a rush? Somebody gave the order to do it. Presumably it came up via P'Burg and went out by the wye to the Water Gap. Your guess is as good as mine.
@JohnLosito
@JohnLosito 5 лет назад
I have a question about the Pequest fill. When the cutoff was new, and before the trees matured, was wind ever an issue to trains going across the fill? Did a derailment ever occur that was wind related? BTW, as always, great job Chuck. Another interesting an informative video!
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
John Losito, there was only one derailment that I’m aware of that ever happened on the Cut-Off itself and that was at Greendell. So, no, wind has never been an issue on the Pequest Fill.
@JohnLosito
@JohnLosito 5 лет назад
@@LackawannaCutOff Thanks Chuck! Just wondering.
@DanielUnger-gn9ct
@DanielUnger-gn9ct 6 месяцев назад
They gonna clear the trees on the sides too or just the top only?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 6 месяцев назад
I think they will clear trees off of the railroad's property. Beyond that they won't touch them.
@DanielUnger-gn9ct
@DanielUnger-gn9ct 6 месяцев назад
@LackawannaCutOff that's cool you when they will have passenger rail service or freight service back running again?
@ChamplainDivision
@ChamplainDivision 3 года назад
Great video. Enjoyed it very much. You'd think someone could come along with an ATV, Trailer and two or three chainsaws and cut back some of those low hanging branches and other hazards to arm and eye to at least enhance safety along the trail.
@timtraver7152
@timtraver7152 4 года назад
I keep thinking what a heck of a ride over that embankment for a derailed locomotive! Did they have have an accident like that?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 4 года назад
No, not on the Pequest Fill.
@ronbach6453
@ronbach6453 5 лет назад
Question about the "missing" 21 miles, it sounded from your intro that NJ Transit is not planning on going past Andover. What is the story with this section?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Ron Bach, NJ Transit is not going west of Andover without funding.
@ronbach6453
@ronbach6453 5 лет назад
@@LackawannaCutOff Are they intending to apply? Or is PA going to build this?
@jamesrobertson573
@jamesrobertson573 4 года назад
Chuck, if you still these videos, I am asking , are they going to be sidings at greendel , and Hainesburg as well as Blairstown?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 3 года назад
Probably one siding somewhere on the Cut-Off.
@marshaldeadwood7359
@marshaldeadwood7359 5 лет назад
nice bike
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
About five years ago I finally turned in my old racing bike that was over 30 years old. It was about time.
@scotthouston3607
@scotthouston3607 5 лет назад
So you're saying it's 21 miles from Andover to the Delaware River ?
@LackawannaCutOff
@LackawannaCutOff 5 лет назад
Actually it's about 20 miles to the Delaware River Viaduct, 21 miles to Slateford Jct.
@jamesmark782
@jamesmark782 5 лет назад
White a workout+
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