Lagoon 380 Review. Perfect "Tiny Home" on the water? Best Budget Cat or Too Small for Live-aboard?

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In this episode of Cruising Off Duty, we are at the Annapolis Sailboat Show checking out the Catamarans to see what we think would suit us as a for a full-time live-aboard catamaran for when we sail full-time as we circumnavigate the globe.
This episode we cover the Lagoon 380 Catamaran, which is the smallest Catamaran Lagoon makes at just 38'. Is it the perfect "Tiny Home" on the water? Is the perfect boat to escape the winter blahs by the snowbirds escaping freezing temperatures? Or is it just too small to be considered a good Live-aboard Catamaran? Watch to see what we think.
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@CDNRower99 5 лет назад

Don't change a thing, guys. We really appreciate the leg-work you're putting in!

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Newland. You can’t please everyone. People expect a lot from a free RU-vid Chanel. 😜

@markharrison674 5 лет назад

Thanks for these videos. My wife and I are planning the same thing. I was also at the boats show this year, but really appreciate your videos. You see so much it becomes overload being able to watch your walk through a are super helpful.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks. These videos help us remember what we saw too. It all becomes a blur after seeing so many boats.

@TheFosterJourney 4 года назад

Great job laying out you intent for the videos, and thanks for capturing the Lagoon 380! ⛵⛵⛵

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Thanks and You are very welcome.

@johngaljaardt 4 года назад

Top job, thanks for the video. Don't worry about what others are saying about the videos being too much of this or too much of that, they are great. Keep doing them your way.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Thanks Johnny.

@sunofman4942 5 лет назад

Thanks guys. Another very informative walk through. Looking forward to the next ones, especially the Maverick and Antares, both I believe are really set up for living aboard. Keep up the great work. Oh, also really looking forward to your test sail of the xquisite, could never afford one, but my gosh they are beautiful!

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks SOM. We can't afford the X5 either. But it is nice to dream.

@michaelrouse627 5 лет назад

My wife and I went aboard that boat at the dealer during the power week. We had the same opinion as you and Janis. Thank you for your review. Looking forward to the next video reviews.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Michael. The next episodes are bigger and better. Nothing else this small.

@michaeleavenson2716 3 года назад

Enjoyed the video. Thanks

@LeighLino 5 лет назад

Thanks for the vids guys.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Leigh.

@woodwind1335 2 года назад

YESSSS! The floor boards creek!!!

@ericjensen3662 3 года назад

If going to a 40 would price me out of the life, I could live on the 380. Better than not and still working.

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

Totally agree. I’d live on this 38’ in a second if that’s all the budget I had. You could make a great little home out of it. The views are just as beautiful in an anchorage on a 38’ or a 50’. Way cheaper to maintain a 38’ too.

@Thorins_Fury 4 года назад

What sized yacht would you get for a couple to live aboard full time? I'm new to learning about everything and wanting to get an idea of what I should be looking at. Excellent video and very informative thank you.

@KyleG0211 5 лет назад

Love the video! Yes, it's a tad small but it could be made to work I think. But you have plenty of time to explore other options before you have to pull the trigger so look forward to seeing the other options you came across...

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Kyle. The boats at the show now that are new will be the perfect age of used when we are ready in 4-5 years.

@Blazerade13 5 лет назад

We have a 380 owners version and I think your evaluation is pretty accurate. The advantages for us of the 380 are excellent value for money (more money in bank to upgrade and to enjoy life), moderate weight (the 40 is marginally bigger but a ridiculous 4 tons heavier), higher than average bridgedeck clearance (There is no quicker way to remove enjoyment than bridgedeck slamming) and surprisingly good sailing performance and average runs. I must add that the forward deck lockers are cavernous. The downsides (for us) are the round saloon seating which is not space efficient and the cockpit design without a walk-thru. Is it big enough to live on? Well plenty of couples have. But as usual it depends on so many personal things. We have not lived on it for a long period but are about to, so we'll see. Oh, another advantage: very easy to sell!

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks David. All good points by an existing owner. We did like the boat a lot. Just figure if we are planning to have scuba tanks and other toys onboard for the long journey, we would need something bigger. But for coastal cruising, if you kept a land-based home, this would be perfect.

@johanwesterberg8744 5 лет назад

David, what is your opinon about the 380 in heavy sea? Does is slam? Do you feel safe? In general is the quality of the boat good - in terms of sailing performance/safety. Thanks for your input!

@Blazerade13 5 лет назад

@@johanwesterberg8744 We have owned a lighter performance cat and now our Lagoon, which is 16 years old. Both were about the same size but the Lagoon is about 40% heavier. I have found that the 380 is an ideal compromise between performance and comfort. It feels very safe and slams very rarely. The performance is nowhere near the performance cat but is still quite good and fun, certainly better than Lagoon 400 that we chartered. As a rough rule she will reach at about 50% of true wind speed and will sail upwind at 7 knots tacking through about 110 degrees in calm water. Oh, and my wife loves it! If you are interested in the 380 I would recommend the channels 'SailingBarefeet' and 'Seth Hynes'. Cheers

@jkingcol 4 года назад

@@Blazerade13 You mentioned you're about to live full time aboard your 380. Have you started doing this yet? Do you have any feedback for someone who is considering the same?

@davidrockefeller2007 3 года назад

@@jkingcol they are a few more years from retirement.

@clarkd1955 5 лет назад

I have seen hundreds of cat reviews and read hundreds of articles by surveyor’s and designers and bridge deck slamming is one/two biggest problem with catamarans. This is the first set of reviews where somebody actually put the camera under the boat to show the clearance. My preference for a cat is almost exactly like yours, comfort versus speed so I congratulate you for reviewing from this point of view. Keep up the good work and the great videos.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks David. No matter what, a Cat will get bridge deck slap. A lower bridge deck clearance, like on this small cat, just means that smaller waves will already start slapping. But in my sail across the Atlantic on a 50', with much higher deck clearance, we still got slap regularly. You just get used to it after a while. When you suspend a deck over water between 2 hulls you are going to get slap unless you have such a huge Cat that the deck is 10' off the water. ha ha.

@michaelsamuel4159 5 лет назад

The Balance is amazing!

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

It is amazing. But it is amazingly out of our price range. That future episode will cover that boat. Nice but $$$.

@nealt8173 5 лет назад

Nice job reviewing the cat.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Neal.

@forexhangoutlovedonaldjtru1837 5 лет назад

Can you review some of the newer monohulls also. Thanks.

@ElliottParkinson 3 года назад

Too small!?! That thing is bigger than my current land house and 4x bigger than my previous liveaboard. I only wish I could afford such a thing!

@Bowmans-Woods 2 года назад

Oh, I agree. You can certainly love on this if you have minimal gear and possessions. We plan to have Scuba equipment and compressors and SUPs and other toys. So we need at least a 45' for all the gear in our new floating home. If we had a smaller budget we would certainly scrap the Scuba stuff and could live on a Cat like this. You just get what you can afford and you make it work.

@philipfisher5168 Год назад

@Ellie Parkinson ha ha you mirror what I'm thinking. I'm researching affordable (5 - 10k) boats for my six foot two inch self, four of five guitars and a couple of amplifiers. After the tiny squished interiors I've been examining, on the 28 foot yachts i can possibly afford, this cat doesn't even look like a boat....double bed, massive saloon, all that deck space....

@ElliottParkinson Год назад

@@philipfisher5168 yeah. But we've got to start small, I've just got myself. 52ft vessel that needs a lot of work for super cheap! So now I have space!

@tigersharkzh 5 лет назад

Those super comfortable trampolines that are gentle on pedicured feet are the ones you replace time after time when you're cruising. They suffer when waves hit then and also increase slapping.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

I am sure there are pros and cons to any choice. Just a noted in the the video that those tiny abrasive ropes they had on that trampoline did not seem substantial or comfortable to walk or lay on. Again, We'd prefer comfort in most cases. If it means it lasts 10% less time, then we enjoyed a great tramp for 90% of the time. :-)

@davidbutt406 5 лет назад

How much time do you expecting to be hiring out rooms aboard? While many homes have a full ensuite bathroom (ours does not), I'm not sure I see the importance of fully self-contained suites on the guest side. I would expect most of the folks you will have aboard will be family or friends, who surely can manage sharing a head for the length of their stay. I can understand wanting a separate shower - cleaning around the toilet post-shower creates a lot of extra work. Enjoying living vicariously through your vlog.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Yes. I agree. Separate head per guest cabin is a bonus but not needed. But the single head option would need to have a big enough head to have its own shower area. Bigger Cats all have that.

@billwhiteathome2080 4 года назад

Large enough to live on? For how many? A couple can have one hull, the other hull a workroom forward and a year supply aft.

@jerff5411 4 года назад

Right? That's like saying a 50 foot RV isn't big enough

@AWildBard 4 года назад

I think you are right to make sure you are comfortable if you are going to live on a boat. Sailing is important in a sailboat. No doubt you won't neglect that in the end.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Lot of detailed study will happen on whichever boats we finally narrow down to. At this stage we often are just looking at it from a confort side to see if we could live on it (space and storage wise). Sailing speed and capabilities will be studied in detail once we are sure on a few cats.

@kimhorton6109 4 года назад

I’ll admit it’s not as big as the Luxo cats but as someone single and asocial I could see myself living in something this small. It looks well put together and the savings would enable more travel.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Good option for a couple which don’t expect a lot of guests staying aboard.

@Cards36555 5 лет назад

Good video, can you do a cost comparison once you decide on the perfect cat.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Sure. We can do that.

@starke6666 2 года назад

crazy amount of creaking while you were walking around. thoughts?

@whotknots 3 года назад

I agree with your caravan analogy Craig because I found myself comparing the boat to a budget model RV in a number of ways. That everything was built to a price point seems to be more obvious on this boat than some comparable models from other builders such as the creaky floor for example. This suggests the profit margin maintained by some competitors may make greater concessions to product presentation and thereby perception and reputation. This might also reflect lower labor costs for builders based in places like Vietnam when compared to Europe. I imagine the pump activated head could be replaced with an electric model, but that is when the can of worms opens. Because then you would probably need a better electrical system, and so on and so forth.... If, you tally the sum of all the upgrades you would prefer to have in order to bring the boat up to the bottom line on your spreadsheet. You might well find you would be better off stepping up a level or two to a model which offers features you consider to be at your baseline as standard. Barry Perrins of 'Adventures of an Old Sea Dog' has done and documented solo crossings of the Atlantic and Pacific with his 36 foot steel monohull with significantly less space or equipment so it is feasible. But they were clearly significant ordeals at times. As one of the other presenters I have watched on RU-vid said buying a boat is not, a process anyone can afford to rush. Also, while buying a new boat does offer assurance with regard to the condition of an entire boat there are viable alternatives which need not be much riskier. Like the Wynn's of 'Gone With the Wynn's' ❤ channel you can find some real gems if you are prepared to tackle the used market. The 'Golden Rule' though would have to be, find both a really good broker and exceptionally thorough surveyor. The people employed by the Wynn's seem to come highly qualified and recommended in those regards.

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

Agreed. You (mostly) get what you pay for. Could you live on this if you were on a very tight budget? Yes sure. Like some people can live full time in a 13" fiberglass bubble trailer on land. But everything is cheaper and smaller. We couldn't do it. We are thinking 44' minimum. Preferably closer to 50' for us.

@cartmanrlsusall 5 лет назад

It's a nice boat but I love the front door on the leopard, but that big bed in the aft cabins,are hard to beat.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Agree. The Leopards are very nice.

@davidpepiton1187 4 года назад

I know a family of 7 that live aboard an 03 Lagoon 380 charter version full time and don't have issues with size or space.

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

Wow. That would be extremely tight. Good for them, I guess.

@RetiredLover 4 года назад

My wife and I bought a Lagoon Cat from a charter company (Used). They rewired much of the electrical with automotive wire and just black and white wire. In two years we had to replace both diesels. You had better be a “handyman “ with the plumbing, electrical wiring, fiberglass repairs, sail repair, electronics etc. My advice.....charter the ‘cat’ you are considering purchasing and live in it for at least a month before you buy!

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

I hear that. Buying a used charter cat is just asking for a headache. Those boats get used and abused and the service they get from the charter companies is often just putting bandaids on problems they find. I swear I will never ever buy a used charter cat no matter how cheap it seems to be. I'll pay more for a gently used private cat.

@fredoooo5411 5 лет назад

Lagoon 42 is a best lagoon more expensive of course but better compromise inner and outer life .sorry for my english

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Yes. We filmed the 42 and it will be coming up in an episode soon.

@Sailing360 2 года назад

you realize, somebody checked boxes on this boat and the dealer is showing their choices.. ;-) you can absolutly make different choices on most of the items you are concerned about.. like if you want power flush. but then again, you are probably looking at boats again next year. ;-)

@bowwave59 5 лет назад

👍👍👍I think your explanation of what you need is spot on. It’s going to be your home 1st above sail ability.. Something you didn’t cover is even before what it sails like, is how manoeuvrable it is in docking and motoring... So if there’s an Order to a purchase based on how the boats going be used,, Comfort , manoeuvrability under engine including motoring along, electric power supply and then how it sails. Your be doing this the least even though it’s a sail boat. 👍👍👍 Obviously mix up the order based upon whether your racing, cruising, cruising live aboard or just a part time sailor It’s what you want at the end of the day, no one else.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Paul. There are a lot of factors to consider and things that will be important when we are finally ready to buy (such as we want lithium-ion batteries and charging systems). The boats at the show now are just window shopping for what we will buy used in 4-5 years.

@bowwave59 5 лет назад

Cruising Off Duty Off course so many factors...and Thanks. It’s good that you got time. Nothing worse than rushing to buy. You want the best for your money and use. It’s not something you can keep changing if get something wrong. 👍👍👍 look forward to seeing your purchase when the day comes.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Paul. I can't wait to know what we will eventually get. Wish I had a Crystal ball. We will narrow down a few models and then scour the used cat listings until we find some deals. Plan to start looking to buy 1 year before I actually retire so we are not in a rush to buy the first thing we see. Should be fun when we finally are ready to pull the trigger.

@bowwave59 5 лет назад

Cruising Off Duty The time now is just as exciting as actually owning a boat. Your minds set, you know what you want, the mrs is onboard 👍 your going to do it. Time will pass fast. I have been there once before. Now I want to do it again with a yacht.... Took me 20 years to get the racing Catamaran I first see as a young boy and to be married to someone who loves sailing and then crewed with me to race. Got a Few trophies along the way. That class still going over 30 years later. Hurricane 5.9 sx baby brother to the ex Olympic boat the Tornado Anyhow...👍👍👍 keep doing the videos.........and drone flying.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Paul. Yes. The time will fly, I am sure. And I am lucky to have a wife that is fully on-board. I know that is rare.

@Kelkschiz 5 лет назад

Not too shabby, looks better than I had expected. But indeed it too small to live on long term. A little bit of extra space here and there can make a boat much more comfortable. But unfortunately all those little bit add up. Can't wait to see the bigger models. Do you have pricing info on these boats? Would be nice too get a picture of the cost, in case I win the lottery or something :P

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Something bigger is a must for us if we have everything we plan to live with. Price on that boat is about 300k but it CAMER pretty bare bones. Hard to know what the total price would be until you know what level and quality of extras you’d want installed. If buying used you would hope the previous owner put all the extras on.

@fingerhorn4 4 года назад

"Navigation stations" are a complete waste of valuable space on a small vessel. You can open a chart on an existing table and place a GPS/Radio close to it.

@chrismktgpsu 3 года назад

Unless you have a family that wants to use the "living space" table vs nav table

@jimanderson2518 5 лет назад

Craig......Sandra says the Janice has a better sweeping motion with the camera. You're going to have to step up your game a little bit next year for the spring boat show. Lol....... nice videos👍 waiting to hear the Lagoon 42 comments ⛵Fair winds..from the⛵ @captainschair Cheers

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Jim. Her camera is much smaller so easier to spin in small spaces. Outside the bigger rig is better, but both are on powered gimbals.

@TheMrJackpinesavage 5 лет назад

Keep up the great work guys...LOVE the channel ... We cant make it to many boat shows because of where of were we live and the ones we can goto do not have any boats we are interested in. So we are living our boat life through you right now .. only one request LOL Prices would love to hear what the at show prices are. In the video we noticed the 1400.00 a month price . that struck us as cheaper than we were thinking.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Jack. I know what you mean about not living near any good boat shows. We drive 12 hours each way (with stops) to get to Annapolis to see this show. The Toronto Boat Show (5 hrs away) doesn't have Cats. Just powerboats and monohulls. So I am glad to help you out. As for Prices. We say some in most of the episodes but the problem with Lagoon and the other big production builders is they would quote you a silly low price but the boat would be bare bones. Like NOTHING is included. Then they sit you down and talk you into all sorts of extras. There is a wide range of extras at different price ranges you could go for (or not). So it's hard for me to quote a fully equipped live-aboard price on these Production boats. You need to go to Yachtworld.com and search for boats that are listed there and then see the prices with various options included. In the future episodes when we are dealing with the boats that are designed for live-aboard owners the price includes everything, and then I felt more comfortable quoting a price in the episode. I don't want to mislead people by saying that the Lagoon 380 sells for 250K only to find out that tons of extras need to be purchased later.

@cowpoke02 5 лет назад

everything i own get sold if i live on a boat replaced ultra light , nice porch and smaller beds . leaving house i ant taking nothing . i rather have bigger porch bar area cockpit and smaller inside .. just for sleep and bad weather . nice boat . i'd take it ... repairs and costs stay smaller .. 5 ten more feet even 2 be nice.. all that front its seems could make a pop up roof porch. haha. big space in the front man.

@ssmoot78 5 лет назад

Appreciate the videos. It does seem a bit unfair to criticize the manual heads though. That’s just an option to tick when you order the boat, and it’s usually pretty cheap if it’s important to you. If you’re buying used you can always upgrade.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Changing out manual for electric heads mean extra wiring be run etc. we definitely don’t want to be hand pumping our toilet for the rest of our lives. So it’s high on our options list. Better cats have electric heads standard.

@ssmoot78 5 лет назад

Cruising Off Duty Those other builders make you pay for it too.

@strangelee4400 5 лет назад

3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms...That's more than where i live at the moment! I'll take it! I do like the 380 but as you say..once you fit compressor/watermaker/etc the storage would shrink drastically.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Ya. This boat does not come with things like a Generator, a watermaker and scuba storage and compressor, folding bikes, SUPs, etc. So once you try and install all that on a boat like this you will have no room left for normal possessions. You have to be a real minimalist with few possessions to think you can fit everything to live on this boat. It can be done, I am sure, but you would have to really pack light.

@MamaDarius 5 лет назад

Great as usual, but a little disappointed Janice is showing where the laundry setups are this year.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

This boat is way too small for laundry facilities. On the bigger cats you’ll see some.

@MamaDarius 5 лет назад

@@Bowmans-Woods Thank you

@JY-mq5lg 5 лет назад

I think this would be good boat for the Bahamas Virgin islands and back. World cruising you need a lot of spares witch will take a lot of room. There is storage under the floors but extra sails, rope big and bulky items you will need a bigger boat. Remember this is their retirement home and to travel comfortably. This is my two cents an arm chair sailor with a dream.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks Jeff. Yes. We would need a bigger boat than this for sure. :-) . We saw some at the show that would really suit our needs and in our price range. Stay tuned.

@CharlesETerry 5 лет назад

Oh Miss J you Must get your Voice

@beachcomberz 5 лет назад

I watched your trans atlantic series and im curious what everyone thought of that particular Cat? I see its for sale as well

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

It was good. It was too $$$ for our price range. Being built in England with its higher labour costs probably makes it a bit too expensive compared to comparable competition. The X5 costs less. I'd go with that before the Bluewater 50.

@JohnnyJohnson2136 5 лет назад

I think your current boat is nicer... just saying. You have a beautiful mono-hull.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Thanks John.

@prophetseven728 3 года назад

What is the next size up? Do you have a list in order for the sizes? Price too? Also is there a huge difference in the size and how much you have to pay just to park it?

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

I believe they have a 40’. No idea of price. I don’t work for Lagoon. Sorry

@TedKidd 4 года назад

280k. Hmmm. Great listening to perspective of subject matter experts, which your years long search has clearly made you.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Thanks Ted

@atascaderoca8584 4 года назад

Is that escape hatch below the waterline? I realize it's for when you're flipped over.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Escape hatches on the bottom are alway above the waterline (in case they leak) but they can get splashed by waves (so it still can leak a little in pounding waves).

@darranridley9717 3 года назад

I see the price is $1418 per month (at 9:11mins on top of the fridge), how did they get to that price???

@johnmarshall4442 2 года назад

Do you know for how long ? Any specifics on that ?

@ANICON2006 4 года назад

If they think the 38 is too small for a live aboard there was a couple who did a 1 yr live aboard on a Lagoon 28 and documented their travels on their blog, including lots of pics and the good and bad of sailing on that size of cat..

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Not too small to live on. Just a bit cramped for what we want as a full time home. Personal choice.

@Joe11Blue 4 года назад

So these are all built to customer requirements when they are ordered, correct? For me the bathroom is too cramped.

@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN 4 года назад

Then take a 💩 overboard 🤣😂

@johngalt7818 4 года назад

Sup with those dominatrix bangs?!?

@sc8307 4 года назад

Do you think this would be good for one person to live aboard? I can see it being a tight fit for a couple, but maybe one person could be comfortable.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Yes. This would be fine for a couple. Maybe not a couple that wants to invite a bunch of guests to stay but for 2 it is perfect. Obviously then, for 1 it is plenty of space.

@bizim_eller 4 года назад

Did you guys finally decide on which boat you would like to live on about a decade yet??

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

We will be buying used, so it depends what’s on the market at the time.

@gonefishing1939 5 лет назад

i could work around alot of the other issues, for me, Storage is a big deal. i really didnt see much at all, also wardrobes? fowl weather gear, i had a 364 Catalina, storage everywere and still filled it up.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Yes. There was a serious lack of storage. Why we didn't think it was meant as a live-aboard.

@fittutube 4 года назад

How come all these boat review videos don't show the price for everyone's ease?

@woodwind1335 2 года назад

Creak!

@deibertmichael 5 лет назад

Don't listen to critics! For 2 is nice!

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

I’m sure for 2 with not a ton of toys (scuba gear, SUPs etc) it would be fine. Just need minimalist lifestyle.

@deibertmichael 5 лет назад

You watch RU-vid Cat Curiosity? A 43 footer. They seem to have enough space for 2!@@Bowmans-Woods

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Ya. We watch them on the Leopard. 43' is plenty big for 2. No doubt. 38' is a bit too tight.

@cymmo9307 4 года назад

Cabin table seems small, drawers not on roll out runner's. Could live with one toilet on port, family is toilet trained. Saves space.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Ya. Everything is small and basic. But for those on a budget, it could work as a small liveaboard Cat.

@strangelee4400 5 лет назад

Why is a manual pump toilet bad? If you want to live aboard anchored for weeks in the middle of nowhere i would have thought the less electricity consumed the better. (or do manual toilets not flush very well?).

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Manual flush toilets are a pain. The electrical draw of a toilet, that takes 3 seconds to flush, is almost not worth mentioning in the grand scheme of your electrical usage. We will have plenty of solar and wind or water generating power to keep what we plan to be lithium-ion battery bank to run everything. Solar and wind is an upfront cost but the limitless free power you get afterward is well worth it. Then you don't have to be concerned with small draws, like a toilet.

@Blazerade13 5 лет назад

We have a 380 with electric toilets. The are great but expsnive to fix when they go wrong. And everything on a boat will go wrong.

@zgjfinance2796 4 года назад

Just because you can’t do something doesn’t mean many haven’t done it before.

@job187 3 года назад

Why do boat manufacturers always fill out larger boats with more beds instead of maybe an office space?

@Bowmans-Woods 2 года назад

It would be very easy to rip out a bed and build an office in any cabin. The mass production builders sell them mostly to Charter companies so they go for more sleeping cabins. Liveaboards almost alway sacrifice a cabin to be a storage/Workshop or office. No one needs 4 cabins. Unless you are bringing a gaggle of kids along.

@rockeyrocket1224 4 года назад

Why am I watching this I get nervous about having to add items to get up to the 25 dollar minimum purchase for free shipping on amazon.

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

Ha Ha. It's called window shopping. It is still fun.

@StevenPendleton 4 года назад

These cats that have the bad trampolines, will they put the other type on for a price?

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Of course. I am sure for an extra price you can have a lot changed. If not, you can always get things replaced in the after market. Perhaps cheaper in the after market.

@josephhinton5489 4 года назад

Exquisite vessel. But I would love to hear the reactions of an Amazonian native, who works out of a dugout canoe, to the critiques of this vessel by the producers of this video.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Size is all relative, for sure.

@cowpoke02 5 лет назад

how much for boat like that ?

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

In the 280K range new, I think? Did we not mention the price in the episode?

@geralddy1022 4 года назад

is the whole boat has AC? thanks!

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

This is a basic Cat. Im not sure AC comes standard?

@steffenlutz7072 5 лет назад

Hi, is a Lagoon 40 at the show!?

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Yes. Next video is the 40

@steffenlutz7072 5 лет назад

Cruising Off Duty super 👍 looking forward to your great review 👏

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Great. Thanks for watching!

@roblowery3188 4 года назад

Can you qualify "super cute"?

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Cute usually goes with small. ;-)

@easemailboxes 4 года назад

Did not hear a price.

@cliffordbradford8910 5 лет назад

8:12 you'd put up little pouches or shelves as "beside tables" I would rather have the bed width. The lagoon 38's been around for ages and they've made tons of them. If you go with the current thinking that you have to have a 45 footer then yeah It's too small.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

I agree you can make it work if you needed to.

@--Valek-- 3 месяца назад

it's plenty of storage and room

@Bowmans-Woods 3 месяца назад

For its size, yes

@gfd635 4 года назад

So what was it worth?

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Old video now but I think it was in the 400's fully ready to live aboard.

@tubaljohn1 2 года назад

Is her hair real?

@mark-se6ef 3 года назад

4 cabins, plenty of storage.

@Bowmans-Woods 2 года назад

Ya. turn a cabin into a closet and you have storage. Who needs 4 cabins on a boat this size?

@briandarris954 4 года назад

3:20 you're welcome

@tedboender 5 лет назад

How much?

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Around 300k. Fairly bare. Would need to add a lot of gear for full time live aboard.

@requin13 2 года назад

after 4 years on search, what is the cat did you bought ???🙄

@prophetseven728 3 года назад

It has 3 BRs!?! If you are living in this full time. You only need 1 BR make the other 2 storage

@Bowmans-Woods 2 года назад

Agreed. They build them for charter so they are thinking of how to maximize the rental price.

@Toleh 5 лет назад

fridge is too small to make it livable full time eh?

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

You are probably right. Fridge space is important for full time liveaboard but I guess you could get one of those 12v external chest fridges if you needed more. People have lived on far smaller boats and boats that have no fridges, so it is quite possible. Just depends on what you are willing to put up with.

@mudabudda 4 года назад

Hi guys trying to work out why your looking at boats like the 380 lagoon then looking at a lagoon 450 have you seen the price difference? Most people have a set budget guess you guys have an open cheque book .europe or as your wife calls bland made that bland catamoran your standing on .guys the smaller the boat smaller the accommodation get it .why not try a sunreef 80

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

No. Just showing a variety of options. Not every viewer has the same budget as we may have.

@grancito2 4 года назад

What do gringos want, a floating condo? This boat has more space and heads than a 50+ ft mono. It was well designed for it's length, and you would not use it as a live aboard for 6 people, so the extra cabins are storage, but could be used for short stay guests. No cockpit dining table, in my experience, at meal time, you need to be inside with an insect screened cabin.

@Bowmans-Woods 4 года назад

Now Gringo is not something I have never been called before. I guess I haven't been to Mexico enough. ha ha

@290Alenka 5 лет назад

Electric heads!!! This winter we will be taking out our electric heads, which we had fitted just three years ago, and going back to manual. They have proved to be very unreliable and even the simplest of maintenance jobs is demanding of time and patience. Around three to four hours just to change a belt and we are on out third set of belts! Getting spare parts (even in Europe) is a real big problem so in many places around the world it will be impossible. They are also very noisy and heavy power users. We installed them believing the macerators would be better for sorting out toilet tissue but we soon found out the more tissue that goes into the bowl the shorter the belt drive life is. They might seem like a touch of luxury but we found they are just a pain in the ****

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Hmmmm good to know. Maybe we should have one pump head just as a fallback. Electric is way less of a pain when it is the middle of the night but, I get your point. Less to go wrong on the old-fashioned pump.

@290Alenka 5 лет назад

Perhaps I should have mentioned our experience is based on the Jabsco Liteflush. They sound very quite when you check them out at a boat show but the level of background noise is high in this environment. Using it in the middle of the night will not only wake everyone on your boat up but will probably be heard by any boat alongside. They rely on two belts at the base of the unit to drive the input and output pumps and these have a bad reputation for breaking. Our first lot lasted 6 weeks - You cannot even get them replaced under warranty if you have moved countries because Jabsco's warranty is not international. We had a bit of an argument with them and they sent us two sets of replacement belts free of charge. However you have to strip the unit down from top to bottom just to get access. Allow four hours the first time you do it. But with practise (which you do not want to get) you can get it down a bit. Of course when a belt breaks you have to clear whatever is in the bowl first. Let's not go there!! We had wondered about replacing the system with a vacuum one but having just used one on another boat it didn't seem any less noise to me. And again if things go wrong in an out of the way location you will probably struggle to get spares. Good Luck.

@nobody46820 5 лет назад

Why not a trimaran?

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

We want interior volume and comfort in each cabin. Trimarans tend to have 3 slim hulls. So each cabin feels very small. We are not totally against the idea of a Tri. We looked at the NEEL. Just there is a space trade-off with 3 hulls.

@nobody46820 5 лет назад

@@Bowmans-Woods Did you look at the NEEL 51? Monsterous amount of space. Speed and comfort to boot!

@Lancelotxxx 3 года назад

price is a big factor man, going from 380 to 420 is not for every purse.

@Bowmans-Woods 3 года назад

Agreed. Go with what you can afford. No point in going and being boat poor and stressed

@jonathanthompson2716 4 года назад

@robertedens5157 5 лет назад

Thank Gog Janice wan'ts to sell this boat or your distaint would never sell a 38'...

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Sorry. I don't understand this sentence?

@rustie4242 5 лет назад

The 380 is easily big enough for a couple or small family to live on, your comments, ie the size of the basin in the owners head, are ridiculous, it's not small by any means. So unless your a multi millionaire who wants a penthouse on the water, I think you need a reality check !!! Have a look at some 40 foot yachts for comparison. The other thing is double beds aft is the best sleeping position on the boat under way, much better than in front of the mast bulkhead... These are all tings to consider.

@Bowmans-Woods 5 лет назад

Each person can judge size for themselves. It’s subjective. Your entitled to your opinion.

@Frindleeguy 5 лет назад

Multi millionaire? How about, save and scrimp for 10 years, both of you making 50k/year while creating additional income streams, and get any one of these boats you desire. Hard work, planning, and some smart financing and you can do it on a pretty modest salary. It's all about priorities ;)

@rustie4242 5 лет назад

@@Frindleeguy Yep you can save and achieve almost any thing. I'm just pointing out that the cost to run a 48 foot cat will be nearly double what it costs to run a 38 foot cat for a year..

@Frindleeguy 5 лет назад

@@rustie4242 Well somebody's gotta buy them :) And some people place value higher while others placr comfort higher on their hierarchy of boat requirements. For the record I'm with you on what I want for myself, but if I had plenty of money I'd probably go for more boat. I guess it's just "a cada uno a su gusto" (to each their own). Happy sailing!