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In 2001, mysterious sinkholes were discovered in northern Lake Huron. They’ve attracted researchers from around the world. But how much water comes through the sinkholes? What role do they play in determining how lake levels rise and fall? That’s what Steve Ruberg's, observing systems researcher with NOAA’s Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory research team is trying to find out.
Produced by Great Lakes Outreach Media.
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@diGritz1 3 года назад

There's some awesome diving up in Alpena. Incredible clarity and wrecks everywhere.

@theyetirulrs 3 года назад

People complain about the costs of scientific research. Just look at the level of expense on this one project. To do it right they not only need everything on that ship, but the expertise of its crew and those on land outfitting and maintaining it. This is the why. Please support the sciences.

@erikm8372 6 месяцев назад

I can’t tell if you’re being serious or throwing shade… lol

@richardgambill1737 3 года назад

I lived in Michigan when I was young and would do a whole bunch of fishing there. Best fishing I ever done did.

@xinfuxia3809 4 года назад

He looks and sounds like Adam Savage from the Mythbusters show

@rhino447attack 4 года назад

I was thinking mark Hamell 😂

@driprubies2464 3 года назад

Totally a version of him that never got into movie magic or busting myths

@getchasome6230 3 года назад

That's what nerds look like

@susanolson3611 3 года назад

@@getchasome6230 😁

@ItsToXxy 3 года назад

@@rhino447attack That's what I was thinking lol

@wild13hawk Год назад

I also learned about Lake Huron's sinkholes from the children's book, "The Day the Great Lakes Drained Away". Great basic information, even for adults! (But aren't all the best kid's books good for stimulating thoughts for everyone?)

@BobbyTucker 4 года назад

Growing up in Flint, Michigan and being an avid Fisherman it's only natural that I would be interested in the Great Lakes water and environmental conditions. The video was only 7:32 but very interesting though. I would enjoy viewing more of your videos and your research on these topics. I thank you for sharing, this deserves more but all I can leave is a 'Thumbs up', a click on the bell, a subscription, and hope I will see more of your works (fun). ;^))

@OneHelmet61 3 года назад

Is there any concern about a hole opening into the salt mines below the basin?

@reefsroost696 3 года назад

Going all the way back to elementary school to when we first started asking about the possibility of lake water seepage and hence flowing into the salt mines we've always been told "Oh, no. That could never happen." Without any explanation or reason why it can not. So my answer to your question is of course. The large hole in the ground will eventually be filled in be it by lake water or what is now dry lands, leaving a large depression and environmental change. Might be a few hundred years from now but I think it'll happen.

@randomrazr 3 года назад

@@reefsroost696 what fi.....now bare with me....they fill the mines up with concrete

@lushpaw1 3 года назад

@@randomrazr lol those tunnels go for miles and miles.. millions of tons of salt are mined from it each year.. pretty sure concrete isn't a fix.

@randomrazr 3 года назад

@@lushpaw1 refill the areas with dirt when they complete a section? i dunno lol. all these mines get used, then abandoned

@RedsBigRig 3 года назад

@@randomrazr good point. There should be some kind of filler

@gthrow4687 3 года назад

Freighters depend on these guys! They cannot fill their hulls till they hear from these guys, so critical to the shipping industry.

@francisgoulart5648 2 года назад

How does the shipping industry apply this data? Are they measuring water levels that would allow them to calculate depth, and then they have a better idea how heavily they can load the hulls?

@jwdickinson643 4 года назад

there is an incredible sci-fi/monster movie somewhere in this....

@theunknowngamer5477 4 года назад

Piranha...and its sequels. Something about underwater caves sealed shut, earthquake, divers, gore.

@centauri9458 3 года назад

SyFy will probably have one soon. I mean they did one about the Mongolian Death Worm, and Sharknadoes

@bones007able 4 года назад

Tell me... what would happen if one of the multiple salt mines under the lake punched a hole though? ....I bet the lake would drop quite a bit...

@zarroth 3 года назад

Nope, The great lakes system is one of the largest water systems in the world. It wouldn't even register something like that. The one that happened in Louisiana is a good reference point for this. It was way smaller, so there was an initial drop, but the lake there is now bigger than it was prior. The mid-western water basin is quite resilient, but it is also way larger than we even know.

@BG-fm5od 3 года назад

Wish you could have shown a graphic map.

@moepow8160 3 года назад

Nice underwater video, but I would like to see more under water shots.

@orlandoelias 3 года назад

It is a very interesting topic and research, but I have a question, where does the groundwater come from? is it just a result of the rains?

@pilbomags488 2 года назад

I thought Thunder Bay was next to Lake Superior not Lake Huron.

@Vinegaroon 4 года назад

Not sure how much it will help freighters, I am interested in the different ecotype within the hole compared to the surrounding area.

@elizabethsullivan7176 3 года назад

The difference in water levels is the difference between whether a freighter crashes on the rocks or makes it to its destination in one piece.

@jLjtremblay 3 года назад

Great video. Thanks!

@GreatLakesNow 3 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@richardgalli7262 4 года назад

Not a thing anyone can do about it. It has been occurring since the creation of the Great Lakes.

@chasingthefish9042 4 года назад

I wouldnt be surprised if that's how the great lakes were made

@HenryChinaski614 3 года назад

Beautiful!

@ToMu29 3 года назад

Im really curious how they notice the sinkhole in the first place? Was it a dramatic event that we can see on land ?

@Mtnmanmike62 Год назад

I love how they have so much water. I'm in LA, so if there's any water to be found, we take it!

@ThillerKillerX Год назад

And that's why you should stay there and ruin that state

@Mtnmanmike62 Год назад

@@ThillerKillerX Merry Christmas?

@jaxsun72 4 года назад

Oh no there's water getting into the lake!

@tvojslauf 4 года назад

Robert King and what?

@shovington67 4 года назад

@@tvojslauf , there is a symbiotic relationship between the ground water and the lake water, from aquifers and these sinkholes that can predict flooding and events surrounding the great lakes. Seeing as that has been concerning many of the larger cities in North America, like Chicago, Toronto, Detroit, Cincinnati, as well as smaller cities like Milwaukee, Buffalo, and Rochester, that's one way of looking at its usefulness. The other is the tradeoff in pollutants, fertilizers and toxic substances which impact our drinking water and the lakes ecosystem. This data can help pinpoint how far inland does our human activity have this tradeoff effect. I'm sure there are other ways we haven't even begun to understand from a hydrologic standpoint, and this information has major impact in the way we govern over major and minor infrastructure interests, and pass laws concerning our use of water. There is a lot of money tied up in water treatment, well digging, sewage treatment, polution control, boating, recreation, transportation, and a host of other smaller concerns.

@ted1091 3 года назад

I was with you all the way until the end when you revealed that the whole reason for this inquiry was to aid the freighter industry.

@TheMaharion 3 года назад

Gotta get your funding from somewhere

@martindavis9826 3 года назад

It sounded like a flimsy rationalization to justify funding this very cool research!

@francisgoulart5648 2 года назад

Well if the research they are doing may be useful in prevent an accident involving a freighter, that would seem to be a worthwhile reason to do research, since an accident would likely be an environmental nightmare.

@offplanetevent 4 года назад

Theyre not sink holes, theyre expansion sites or ground water termination points.

@patricksinon3414 3 года назад

Do you got an hardhat w/ a sticker on it? Huh? Huh???? Nothing signals 'science' like a hardhat & stickers.... Prolly got steel toed sneakers too.

@jamessebela3236 3 года назад

They are sinkholes formed by collapsed limestone caves. All the bedrock of the lower peninsula and most of the UP is limestone the caves were collapsed by the glaciers. There are dozens if not hundreds from Alpena across to lake Michigan up to the bridge. Some are still pristine limestone ruble holes. Others are filled with sand and resemble shallow bowls. Most are filled and we're only identified by satellite images. Then too many are lakes, some are connected by underground rivers to lake Huron!

@offplanetevent 3 года назад

@@jamessebela3236 Yup, under ground rivers and water termination points. Just like I said. Not sink holes.

@jamessebela3236 3 года назад

@@offplanetevent I studied Michigan geology, they are sink holes.

@offplanetevent 3 года назад

@@jamessebela3236 I personally studied the Great Lakes. They are not sink holes. Where is the evidence on land for these "sink holes" unless your studies ceased at the water lines as they exist today.

@snowman333- 4 года назад

for scientists, you used a lot of speculation in your narration

@chuckball9703 3 года назад

1:58 Crew Introductions 4:53 Continue

@johneaston197 4 года назад

So are sink holes good or bad?

@edstimator1 4 года назад

they get paid either way so......yeah!

@jerryf609 3 года назад

Are trees good or bad? Are mountains good or bad? What is the purpose of a tree? sinkhole? mountain? flower?

@nozrep Год назад

fascinating!

@junkmail4613 4 года назад

Why didn't you show us graphs of the data? NOT WONDERFUL !!! Just because you've never been out on a lake or used ROV's before doesn't mean we're "just filled with excitement" , Show us the graphs of the data and tell us what you learned, if you learned anything at all !!! Obviously I wasted my time. Good Luck.

@gilian2587 4 года назад

0:44 -- This guy looks like Mark Hamill.

@shirleymurphy1958 3 года назад

Spring fed Lake !

@erikm8372 6 месяцев назад

Who’s Kyle Beadle? My God 🤩 😛

@nozrep Год назад

ohhhhh i just realized that guy reminds me of Adam Savage a little bit hahaha

@NAMVETSTARLITE 3 года назад

No SALT & NO SHARKS

@dickJohnsonpeter 3 года назад

Lmao the part where Eugene Levy and John Candy were standing on the bridge and he dropped his clarinet in the river. 😆

@kdahm1 Год назад

Nautical Mark Hamill

@JockoFlocko 3 года назад

20 years ago we were told the Great Lakes would completely dry up or be so low that they wouldn't even resemble anything close to what they are today... Hey Al Gore, that didn't age well did it?

@stevenrowlandson4258 2 года назад

Hydrogen sulphide levels?

@clearingbaffles 3 года назад

Could you stop by and say hi to the SnowDogs?

@scottingledue7999 Год назад

They should also consider agriculture impact's from these as well. Are algie problems steaming from any of these area's.

@joshuanelson7986 3 года назад

Well..... is there any fish? Asking for a friend 🎣

@robertmoore5724 3 года назад

Noaa got yall people fooled they put most fishermen in the gulf out of business .bunch of crooks.

@rolandthethompsongunner64 2 года назад

Seriously? People get money to find out how water gets into a lake ?

@bigriver2000 3 года назад

My concern is the use of salt on the winter roads and how this is affecting our fresh waters. I believe this is s far greater problem that is being reported.

@Mr.Spanky Год назад

Imagine he wasn't being accurate and everything down to the chain of command was just rounding out numbers

@wanTANdan 3 года назад

iiiiiiee44ccc that's a 🐠 in a no fish Zoe n Ruuun 😂

@MichaelHolloway 3 года назад

Detroit Public TV

@culliedavidson9428 4 года назад

Find out whatever California is doing at Salton Sea and this will stop it.

@S10Blazen 3 года назад

There are monsters in the great lakes.

@RideAcrossTheRiver 3 года назад

Pacific salmon and rainbow trout

@loribadgero1035 3 года назад

sea lamprey?

@Hallands. 3 года назад

What is describes isn’t sinkholes since there’s nowhere to sink anything, water or solids...

@aggabus 4 года назад

400

@josephdelp87 Год назад

Got theories no proof. Just theories

@bernardaho1913 3 года назад

Your credibility is in question when you make claims of things being older than time

@Conman577 3 года назад

where did they claim that? the 400mil line? earth isn't 6000 years old, if that's the garbage you're trying to spew

@bernardaho1913 3 года назад

@@Conman577 nope. Not to the mindless people that believe in the racist dribble darwin put out

@bustersmith5569 4 года назад

God I hope my tax dollars are going to fund this !!!! Can I donate more money? Like maybe 2 or 3 grand a year,,,

@clayholliman3724 3 года назад

OK SIR one more remark like that and you will be ban from being a tax payer -- which exculds you from being a (special project funder)...

@psychiatry-is-eugenics 3 года назад

@branchesofYAH 3 года назад

400 million? Prove it. Nonsense

@lightning9279 3 года назад

Waste of tax dollars/your pay check!

@fastusbombastus3040 3 года назад

what bs 99.9% talking heads...

@darrellclark9596 4 года назад

Why is nobody talking about where the water is going? The salt mines inder the great lakes was a bad idea....anyone connecting the dots yet? the Government NOT going to tell you about this...why is there a planned harbour seaport for Oklahoma? #WakeUpPeople

@g.k.1669 4 года назад

The water is going down the Niagra Falls. The salt mines are under Detroit which is 150 miles away from where they are at. Go onto Google Earth and drop the peg man onto the I-75 bridge over the Rouge River. You can see the salt piles from the mines. Even if the mines somehow caused the lakes to fill them the cubic miles of water in the lakes would not even notice the hiccup.

@ericnortan9012 4 года назад

@@g.k.1669 that doesn't explain the seaport in OK though. LOL

@leebarnes655 4 года назад

Port of Catoosa in Tulsa OK already exists. 445 miles from the mississippi. dingbats.

@g.k.1669 4 года назад

eric nortan-- Yeah. I don't have any idea as to how Oklahoma is going to have a seaport built.... That would be one heckuva project. Maybe the same people that dug Panama Canal could lend some advice....anyways... There are a couple of salt mines under the Great Lakes. Before the ice age it was a shallow ocean here and you can walk along the beaches and occasionally find some interesting fossils.

@hensonlaura 3 года назад

Want to know about the sinkholes not get to know "the guys". Pass.

@AvanaVana 3 года назад

Awesome, awesome video. Those drone shots over the sinkhole were spectacular too.

@shmeli 3 года назад

“We want to be very accurate so we can save shipping companies money” said no self-respecting scientist ever

@walrus4046 3 года назад

My heart sank to the bottom of the lake when he said that. Hope the shipping companies are 100% funding the research.

@shmeli 3 года назад

@@walrus4046 I hope so too, I actually don’t have a problem with industry funding scientific research as long as all the data is published afterwards

@siriosstar4789 3 года назад

@@shmeli "I actually don't have a problem with industry funding scientific research ,,,,," assuming they are not paying for a specific outcome that favors them.

@j.thomas7128 3 года назад

Science demands Accuracy? LoL Especially not when we are now witnessing that polar ice samples are proving manmade global warming research is off by an exponent of ten! And because this information doesn't fit the narrative, it's not being as vigorously published or accepted. Just dismissed. Science of late is ignoring data when the data doesn't fit the preconceived notions. Funny, science did this before.... when proving the earth was not flat or when the Earth was not the center of the universe.

@mtadams2009 3 года назад

More than likely just playing the game. He is smart.

@bufford5483 3 года назад

One of the most beautiful great lakes to swim in.

@RideAcrossTheRiver 3 года назад

Yup, but wait until 3 PM in 29 C, sunny weather, and find some sandy shallows!

@jonaswhite5842 3 года назад

At least top 5

@jbrobertson6052 3 года назад

Not long enough. You guys should do more Documentaries.

@manicmechanic448 3 года назад

Lake Huron roll, Superior sings in the rooms of her ice water mansion.

@j.thomas7128 3 года назад

Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams, The islands and bays are for sportsmen;

@miked1765 3 года назад

And farther below, Lake Ontario Takes in what Lake Erie can send her

@Blake4625kHz 3 года назад

The Great Lakes literally kick major a s s

@centauri9458 3 года назад

I have never been to the Great Lakes, but recently have been wanting to go very bad. Watched rock hunters find some cool rocks around Michigan and Superior

@LittleBudd13 3 года назад

Accept man's need to take and leave thing they thought not worth taking back!

@kateapple1 3 года назад

Literally? Maybe figuratively… 😂😂

@centauri9458 3 года назад

@@kateapple1 look at the list of ships and lives lost to the Great Lakes. I would say Literally kicks people and vessels asses.

@RideAcrossTheRiver 3 года назад

@@kateapple1 The Great Lakes literally activate and even generate storm systems.

@ericnortan9012 4 года назад

I live in Alpena. We have sink holes inland too around here, some are sinkhole lakes.

@johncronin5311 2 года назад

I have seen a few, very interesting

@homefront3162 4 года назад

NEVER EVER let Flint water into the lake!!!!

@bsdguy 4 года назад

How about fixing Flint's water crisis?

@swaghauler8334 4 года назад

The Great Lakes were SO POLLUTED that you could not drink them since the '70s. Their health is a bit better now (since a lot of Industry no longer dumps effluent into them), but Flint's water was probably SAFER than drinking untreated water from the shallower Great Lakes (at least until lately).

@charlie21gunner87 4 года назад

Come on people, think. Flint was pulling water from the Flint River which empties into Lake Huron. Also using a river as a source of drinking water can be very difficult because of frequent changes in water quality. Many cities have been using the great lakes for their source of drinking water and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

@g.k.1669 4 года назад

Homefront- Flint's water was pulled from the river and sent through a normal filtration process. It was no different than the tap water that you drink except for one thing. They went cheap and did not add trisodium phosphate to the water. So why was this a problem? Trisodium phosphate is an additive that keeps water from leaching metals from the pipes as it acts as an anti corrosive. Water hates to be purified and will absorb minerals or metals from piping if TSP is not added. That is what happened in Flint Michigan. The water flowed through the normal pipes after it left the water mains under the streets and leached the lead and other metals from the piping that led into the homes. The lack of TSP caused the pipes to corrode. If you have an RO water system in your home and purify your drinking water (especially if you run it through a DI cartridge) when you drink that water you are actually leaching valuable minerals out of your bones. You should add some type of mineral or vitamin to your water to balance it before you drink it.Trisodium Phosphate is quite common and has multiple applications. Check the ingredients listing on processed foods that you eat, you will most likely see it listed near the bottom.

@doriansmith6371 4 года назад

@@bsdguy its been fixed

@danielledouglas99 3 года назад

I live on Lake Huron, I love it and found videos like this so interesting and exciting to watch. The Lake inspired me to go into environmental studies. NOAA is such an amazing organization. It kind of suck that it's based in the states since I am Canadian but WOW it looks like an amazing job!

@aerofpv2109 3 года назад

Hi ... if and when you complete your studies I beg that you prevent any oil/gas lines from running through these majestic bodies of water.

@yks-vn3wv 3 года назад

So you are a fish??

@danielledouglas99 3 года назад

@@aerofpv2109 There is already a pipeline. I think it needs to be replaced...

@danielledouglas99 3 года назад

@@yks-vn3wv Also, no I am not a fish. Sorry.

@danielledouglas99 3 года назад

@@aerofpv2109 Here is some Info I copied off the internet about the pipeline. Its not in the great lakes but will affect them if something goes wrong. Website 1: Enbridge Line 5 is a major oil pipeline in the Enbridge Lakehead System, which conveys petroleum from western Canada to eastern Canada via the Great Lakes states. Line 5 is particularly notable for passing under the environmentally sensitive Straits of Mackinac, which connect Lake Michigan to Lake Huron. Website 2: Every day, nearly 23 million gallons of oil flow through two aging pipelines in the heart of the Great Lakes, just 1.5 miles west of the Mackinac Bridge. This is also the Enbridge Line 5 pipeline.

@wanderingoglethorpe Год назад

Awesome video, always awesome to learn something new about the Great Lakes!

@maggiebannenberkowitz9254 Год назад

Amazing!! Thank you for your reporting!!!

@user-bw3fl7fj9w 3 года назад

Interesting...just wish they included a full aerial view of the sinkholes.

@lushpaw1 3 года назад

I wonder if you can see them from Google Earth

@willpgarrett2940 3 года назад

Florida sits on karst rock too, which is why we have so many sinkholes. Didnt realize karst went up to Lk. Huron. Cool

@SuperChuckRaney 2 года назад

it's why the Corvette Museum got that massive hole in it too.

@DcaCo123 3 года назад

I have 3 sink holes on my 40 acre property approximately 20 miles inland from Alabaster, Michigan. They grow about 5 inches deeper every year and about 3" in diameter.

@brivnliveslife6109 2 года назад

Sucks

@masterodin6358 Год назад

@@brivnliveslife6109 sucks are different than sinkholes, but they both are caused by water moving through sediment.

@ddeaae 3 года назад

Sink holes are so fascinating to see & to dive safely in.

@catman8670 4 года назад

Sounds like Democrats science lol 👎🧐

@chasingthefish9042 4 года назад

I didnt hear anything about racial inequality in the video.... stop giving them ideas

@curtislarson1487 4 года назад

Are you serious you are finding water in the lake

@EbonCollins 4 года назад

But the surface is level

@scottgeorge4760 4 года назад

Flat Earth Proof ! 😀

@joemoore5844 3 года назад

Lo siento El agua es plana!

@lindaterrell5535 4 года назад

When we get sinkholes in Florida we lose lakes. And houses. And highways.

@Amclaren2009 4 года назад

And the occasional person..

@Chulitatr Год назад

How deep are the sinkholes?

@toms7947 4 года назад

Why is this research valuable?

@edstimator1 4 года назад

because taxpayers pay for it....someone is getting rich....to them..it's "valuable"

@mikedoyle9934 3 года назад

They can begin to understand how much groundwater plays a part in Lake levels. Geologic, shipping concerns. It's a cool project.

@delboytrotter8806 4 года назад

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

@aggabus 4 года назад

invasive quagga mussels The quagga mussel is a species of freshwater mussel, an aquatic bivalve mollusk in the family Dreissenidae. It has an average life span of 3 to 5 years. It is indigenous to the Dnieper River drainage of Ukraine. Wikipedia

@tigersteele9552 4 года назад

WE LIVED ON LAKE ERIE FOR 20 YEARS....IT IS THE SHALLOWEST OF THE GREAT LKES!! THOSE DAMN MUSCLES...CLEANED UP THE WATER...BUT BECAME A HORRIBLE PROBLEM!!! THEY CAME IN ON SHIPS ........THROUGH THE ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY.!!!!!

@edquail8122 4 года назад

Came from France

@catman8670 4 года назад

Tiger Steele Lake Erie is shallower

@ericnortan9012 4 года назад

@@catman8670 He said Lk Erie

@edstimator1 4 года назад

@@mikeb1039 and biden says whatever he is told to say but usually fucks it up

@billtuesday2815 3 года назад

Is this the same as sinkhole De mayo??????

@GreatLakesNow 3 года назад

You're giving us ideas for May 5th...

@robertwagner7439 4 года назад

Bio digesters.

@granskare 4 года назад

I see the boat was called "storm" in Finnish, that means "Tuisku". In Lake Superior on the Canadian side is called Thunder Bay.

@justincase3345 3 года назад

I get it now .. how the folk stories talked about being swallowed by the sea but it was just sink holes

@Ketannabis 3 года назад

3:30 Looks like a floating ghost girl on the bottom of the screen, I see a face.

@sergiosanchezroman4968 3 года назад

La erosión nunca sé va a arreglar con poner piedras en la orilla del mar tan sólo la posterga lo impostergable.

@clayholliman3724 3 года назад

No way in hell not me

@oldfarmer9004 Год назад

I was interested in your video and was wondering just what impact this data has….like for environmental reasons or whatever. Then….there it was. Right at the end. Money.

@paullasmith4975 4 года назад

Maybe you could drill a 5 inch diameter hole right straight thru to china. Shove a l o n g pipe into the hole with a valve on it to regulate the levels of the lake. Don't tell china and in the mean time, don't build too close to the shore.

@paulhomsy2751 3 года назад

And I thought all along that those amazing streaks of genius were expressed by men...you surpassed all men Paulla with two "ls".

@ffjsb 3 года назад

Seriously??? You need a hard hat for this??

@Acein3055 Год назад

Had to turn off the video. Obnoxious background drums through out the video.

@300blk8 4 года назад

Big ass waste of taxpayer money in the end what good does it do with a pile of useless data thank God I moved out of that shit whole state of Michigan

@joshawageorge2122 Год назад

This is like custos assignment when he was diving lower lake Huron then he lost some gear and it washed up in lake ontario

@Dan-qp1el Год назад

Wonder how much of our tax dollars this is wasting....

@getinit56 4 года назад

Why does he have a hard hat on?

@kingofcastlechaos 4 года назад

cranes

@gilian2587 4 года назад

Few things are less pleasant than going sailing with the wind blowing through your blood matted hair... with the blood dribbling down your eyes from a head wound because you chose to walk around with no helmet on a moving boat with ropes, pulleys and other assorted hardware dangling from higher areas.