Lake (infinity train) being trans for 16min 

İf only it was universal and not just us or usa :(

thinking that someone fictional head canon trans its not trans phobic

italy has no HBO any other suggestions?

@@roxee7864 theyre talking about the people who comment stuff like “you can’t just headcanon Lake as Trans/NB!!!”

@@santiagoch872 get your homophobia away from this video, please! on a somewhat related note, don’t take your homophobia to my channel, because I won’t hesitate to delete your hate comments.

I know this is a little offbeat from everything else here, but this just feels like you had another Pixar film, wear something that technically isn't sentient to suddenly sentient now, but this time it's your reflection. Now there's apparently a whole like life force behind it, so now you have to feel bad every time you accidentally see your reflection butt naked in the mirror

@molly howell they've been stuck being a person who their not besides this was the first time being themselves so what do you expect?

@molly howell how could they know that when theyve had trauma of never being themselves

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Why dont you just say friend if he is straight?

@@OrlandoTorres267 because they're specifically talking about how they interact with trans people, so the fact that they're cis is relevant

32 - Torres Rivera Orlando Daniel they didn't say her friend was gay? Comenter was saying how her non trans friends support them

What does cis mean? Easy def plz ;-;

@@potatoo1875 identify with the gender they were assigned at birth (not transgender)

Why weren't they allowed to?

@@bakercat2108 just shit about like “keeping it family friendly” or something. Same reason why it took so long for gay characters to be allowed in children’s media. I’m not entirely sure tho, so maybe look it up.

@@StrawberryBunnyBoba oh, thanks for replying :) (And it's so dumb the reason why they weren't allowed to portray a non-binary character :/ )

@@StrawberryBunnyBoba How is being nb "not family friendly"??? The earlier LGBTQ+ gets introduced to children the less homophboic/transphobic people will be, who cares if a few Karens stop watching?

@@solseclipse Exactly. I'd kill to see more non-binary representation in cartoons, seeing someone like me portrayed as just like everyone else is my absolute dream...

That sounds so bad wtf, like if they didnt considered non binary people as real persons, wait that is the main point of the book :0

YES!!

Quick thing! Non-binary people use a variety of pronouns not only they/them! Although they/them is commonly used by non-binary individuals it's not the only option and isn't always the case! Also, happy to hear that the creator confirmed that Lake's Non-binary! Wish CN didn't have to be so transphobic.

ironic how people think CN is lgbt friendly when it isn’t. nickelodeon does a way better job and CN is full of shit through and through

Owen wanted lgbtq themes in infinity train but wasn’t allowed so he relied on subtext he deleted the tweet stating that, so yeah it’s confirmed lake is trans/non-binary and Ryan an min are gay we win. :)

How do you mean?

@@Brandon-1996 a lot of the time us trans folk are treated like we’re not real or people. People call us “it” or “that” and just treat us like monsters. Then there are people who objectify us and sexualize us. It hurts to not be seen as a person. Because were seen as a problem or a topic. That’s the best I could put it based on how I see it. I don’t know how OP feels

@@lunezzzy4606 I can touch on the topic by offering you some of my perspective: In a world with new tech and old biology, we weren't designed to communicate through text. People are able to say just about whatever they want without consequence, as opposed to in-person, where you to have to look people in the eye to communicate with them. There's many things to take from that... Young people deserve to know just how harsh, careless, and willfully ignorant people can be, in-person or on the monitor. Regardless, we should also recognize the difference. Not to say you're clueless to that fact. (We should study this stuff in middle school psychology or something, anyway.) Regardless of whether someone associates your trans perspective with illness, associates it with challenges, or associates in with diversity of opportunity, anyone with any principals can see that whatever it is you're dealing with is not easy, and criticism, generally speaking, ought to be handled with a certain amount of care, if it's worth anything. (I'm sure you're irritated when it isn't.) Obviously since what you deal with is very rare, (though decreasingly so, I hear,) you could use a hand, and that's the general thing I recommend: Do the best you can with what you have, and ask fo help when you need it. As well, continue to push head-on into different perspectives about trans issues, because no one of us, individuals or groups, has all the answers.

Of all 3 seasons of infinity train. It is my favorite moment, and I believe that it is the best moment in the whole series.

That was the greatest mental breakdown in cartoon history

At 6:36 they look so unenthusiastic to be feminine-presenting

That's what I was thinking! I never really got the trans headcanon before rewatching that clip.

@@WebkinzLiker264 I know!

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when you realize she answered it

she's not trans, just a punk girl, accept it

@@herobrineapril8451 She did, but in the sense of “I’ll ignore you if you keep calling me that.”

They. Lake may originate from a girl (Tulip), but it's their choice to decide who they are.

The spiritual successor to "I am neo"

And One-One's dialogue in the next scene is so good. He's a representation of a system that isn't intentionally malicious but can't accept the possibility of someone wanting anything outside of or beyond the normative expectations of the people in it, resulting in harm upon those that fall outside of it. The logical limitations of the train do not account for the existence of a denizen who doesn't want to remain a denizen because that's just how things are supposed to work. It's only when Lake exploits a loophole in the system that allows for a recognition of their personhood, brought on by a logical contradiction due to unforseen circumstances, are they then granted an exit. Also, I find it poetic that Lake's main friend/love interest on their journey is Navajo, so the subtext of Jesse going back to assist his trans-coded friend/love interest confront a system not built to accept the humanity of particular individuals is especially compelling, considering the marginalized circumstances of both groups.

All the seasons are on HBO max if you want to watch it

It has 3 seasons. It's not clear whether they'll be back for a fourth one. You'll understand why after watching the show. But yeah it's a gem.

Yeah, but if you're as hyped about it as I was you may be disappointed. 10 eleven minute episodes for one full story arc forced it to have very rushed pacing. Would have been better if the network allowed them more episodes that are at least 22 minutes

Lmao

Sadly it got cancelled, only three of their 8 books actually got made.

Omg!!! 🤯

I binged most of the show yesterday and omg I was bawling over a character I’d only known for a few hours 😭

Another fellow trans man here, I love the representation here and are correlated with how I feel in general situations too ^^ I could take notes in how wonderfully these shows make an area of identities in lgbtq feel our souls represented

Gay

@@CoolGuy-ej1vr yea . i am gay

@@CoolGuy-ej1vr why you stole my name

The Thunder Clark one post above me is the better of the two

me at myself 😔 👊

wait ur so right

Basically my family

I LOVE YOUR PROFILE PICTURE

Is that big q

YEAH

Everyone is talking about the profile picture I’m gonna eat cheese

BIG Q

They mean both of those, names and pronouns. In my opinion atleast

@@bfrmr people don't really try to give trans people names, they try to dead name them but that's not giving them a name, they mean pronouns

No she meant names not pronouns.

@@Barbie-gt9lw lake isn't based off of trans people at all. Lake doesn't need to be trans for you to relate to her either. If you relate to a character that isn't trans that's just good writing

@@tokofukawap4055 yes they literally are owen confirmed that they are, stop being fucking transphobic

Don't worry you have no need to feel less like a person, currently being queer is one of the most celebrated minorities. As demonstrated by most mainstream media sites, and LGBTQ first programs initiated in most fields of higher education.

​@@kirareich1776so all the transphobia and queerphobia we suffer magically dissapears because of capitalist celebrations? 😂😂 You're funny.

Your username just makes it really funny-

@@eruanimations3609 Yeah

Same

@@jesuschrist8833 Jesus????

Ikr, also mcyt fandom pog

Their* they*

@pepper sauce it's been confirmed that they are nb trans, and they are clearly uncomfortable with being called she and her, stop being transphobic

@pepper sauce it was said in an interview, it's not my job to educate you, stop being laz hand trasnphobic, I'm literally trans nonbinary, and it literally is, they are clearly uncomfortable being referred to as their dead name and anything feminine or being dressed feminine, listen to trans people, they are trans, stop musgendering them

@@Barbie-gt9lw Lake doesn't like being called a girl, but shows no discomfort with she/her pronouns. I don't think its wrong to use they/them when referring to Lake as it is a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use in place when you don't know someone's preference, but there is no reason to bash on she/her in this case either. Non-binary people come in all sort of flavours and there are definitely some like my friend who prefers she/her, but is still non-binary. And I understand you may be fed up with transphobia, but please stop calling OP transphobic for using the pronouns that are used IN THE SHOW, seriously, there are a lot of people who deserve the label 'transphobe' much more. Sincerely, another trans person.

@@silverish9081 yes they do, they literally do through out the show, I know they do because they do what I do, they literally do not like being called she her.

Give it a try, infinity train is a very mature, emotionally deep and philosophic cartoon

Season 3 might be a bit much for a child.

same

same

And Jessie is best boi

🥺🥺🥺

They are transcoded* they show clear discomfort with being referred to in the feminine through out the show

@@Barbie-gt9lw pronouns ≠ gender

Seems to be a mixed bag I've seen. Either trans coded or nb. Still neat either way imo.

@@mineking57 nb is still a trans identity tho, so..

True af

That never happened in the show. Nobody asked lake if she was a boy or girl also Lake us s female pronouns

Realmente... tampoco esta confirmado. Pero la comunidad puede pensar que desee.

@@tokofukawap4055 You really didn't get it huh

@@papr1kaboo Themself* not itself (they/them can be used as singular!) People may be assigned a specific gender at birth (female/male) but hormones + other biological shit I cant explain may dictate otherwise, which is why some people are trans female to male (ftm), male to female (mtf) or nonbinary! For more info see stuff like this; blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/ Or you can conduct your own research too :))

I think she/they (w/e) got mad cuz he said "*back to the train*, like a *good girl*" not specifically implying the gender, more like telling her WHAT she should do as a reflection, which is give herself to be grinded to dust Please don't take this one out of context, like "he wants to insult her gender"

@@siekra8131 Thanks! Someone who understood

@@grizelsanchezcamacho7849 so many more people here are so wrong about the jokes and meanings of the sentences in this particular part of the story that I'm literally confused How can SO MANY people be so... Excited about a character to the point they praise every single sentence that character is saying and twist the meanings to fit their needs...

@@siekra8131 because non-binary/trans people get close to 0 representation in media (and when they do, it's *very* bad representation). People here are just very excited about *finally* being able to relate to a character.

@@siekra8131 i get excited when media shows a bisexual man in a good light because representation of us is like, either non existent or really really bad. Same with someone with autism, or even a Jewish character outside of the rugrats. Those who this character fits effects them the same way, if that makes sense.

Also, like nonbinary people can still use pronouns like he/him and she/her if they want. Which is why I headcanon Lake's pronouns as she/they.

They were supposed to be non-binary

Lmfao, honestly My name is Jay and deadass, I named myself after a bird 👀💧

@@corvuss66 that's badass if you ask me :3 nice to meet you, jay

@@potatoo1875 Thanks! Nice to meet you too :]

dam,..

@@corvuss66 😳❤️

I uh,, yeah,, :') I feel so stupid for not realising,,, I have so much more respect for her story now

@@SporkleBM *their qvq

@@hapann2683 Maybe they use she/her or she/they for them :P it’s ok cuz pronouns ≠ gender

@@hapann2683 enby people can use any pronouns other than they them

@@hapann2683 Hey lets not force pronouns you can use they/them just don't correct people who still wanna use she/her because her sex is female

Same I'm as dull as a brick when it comes to these things. Didn't even fully realize my own brother was trans until he straight up told me. He even cut his hair short a bit before that, then again he watched this with me and didn't realize he was trans at the time either so....

Nice! ^^

As an ftnb person I can relate to this comment.

happy for u dude :D

Don't make big deisions 1. in a frenzy and 2. inspired by cartoons in a frenzy please, for your own good.

Make all the decisions based on cartoons you want.

I actually picked up on the fact they get unhappy ever time they get referred to as a girl or with feminine pronouns, they're definitely transmasc

@@Muddy_day What Kit Love means is that Lake’s name sounds so gender-neutral, non-binary, and/or enby. Enby means Non-binary.

@@AL-ez9sx Ok

I like that name for the possibility I have cis or not child but I understand your point.

@Ty The Great M.T is now called Lake

If you said this to her she'd probably punch you

Me neither

@@OrlandoTorres267 what

They literally are and it's so good

Thank you very much ! ^^

Like i dont see what people are seeing, she looks normal to me

@@pablooregon592 What don't you see? Maybe I can help explain. :)

@@pablooregon592 trans people are normal :)

It’s because of how Lake wants to be their own person and many dialogue and actions find them similar to a person questioning their gender identity

I don't understand non binary etc. I think everybody has feminine and masculine traits and that there are no rules being a male or female. Not being a typical male or female doesn't mean you're neither gender or a new gender.

I didn't ask. But since you did, I will say this: if someone prefers to be not be referred to as "she" or "he", it's pretty easy to accommodate. And if you yourself aren't non-binary, then that's really all ya gotta do. It's just polite. And you are correct, there are no "rules" to being male or female. Well, not *official* rules. Just the kind that are social and you might be ostracized for not following. Still, the reasons for why someone is non-binary run a little deeper then that: it encapsulates a feeling of not adhering to a single gender identity. It is a large spectrum and the place people fall on it is their own journey of self-discovery. Therefore, I cannot summarize it concisely. Please, speak to more competent scholars and non-binary people with more knowledge than I.

@@laurenmungaray3912 nobody asked

@@beanson2323 i don't give a damn, kid lol

did you end up using the name Lake?

Sadly the show got canceled after book 3/8 bc there weren’t enough viewers

@@hibolt8150 Aww :(

@@hibolt8150 lmao nope

@@SuperSeebass ???

@@hibolt8150 We're getting book 4 :D there's a teaser for it on Twitter I believe and right here on RU-vid!

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Could you spread word this show is SUPER underrated

The show is called Infinity Train it's on HBO MAX if you want to see it. Book 4 is coming on April 15th so now is a good time. Spread word this show is VERY underrated.

the entire second season is very heavily based around lake wanting to be their own person, not fitting in with what their society wants them to be, having to run and hide because of who they are, it can very clearly be an allegory for the trans experience and with their character design in season 2 lake can very very easily be seen as trans or nonbinary, just because you personally dont see it doesn't mean you should invalidate the view of the tens of thousands of people who disagree with you, especially when it gives them a sense of belonging that they may not get otherwise.

@@lunatheluma3804 but- it isn't my opinion. It's the CREATORS...

@@christinaray6689 i know canonically thwy are cis but the way the story is presented it can be an extremely comforting experience for trans people to be able to relate to this character who shares many of their experiences, people arent sayin that lake is canonically trans we are just saying that their journy is very reminiscent of the trans journey and this compilation shows specific parts that trans people can relate to

Link?

They*

@@Barbie-gt9lw “They” was Trans? Yeah, that doesn’t exactly flow well for the structure I wrote my thoughts in bud. I appreciate the suggestion though.

@@Fi_Sci_ they are, didn't think I would have to spell everything out for you like a child, don't misgender people because you don't feel like switching us words

@@Barbie-gt9lw I appreciate that you want to stand up for Trangender pronouns. Just don’t expect everyone to always say things the way you want them to be.

u mean the previous clip (since im assuming that pne was in referance to the last clip) ? im pretty sure its a reference to introducing someone's by a deadname when they havent chosen one.

Gotta love Ashley Johnson!

tokenism

@@WinterStones now I'm just more confused...

@@ripvanwinkle6451 you and me both, buddy.

it is a headcannon that is accepted by a large majority of the fandom. a lot of ppl relate to her journey and see her as being transcoded

what do you mean by that

@@poopmaster659 well I mean they get away with blood and other gruesome stuff for kids, back in the day there were strict rules but now kids shows do almost everything.

@@12345marios ok? don’t watch it then

It's intentional, owen confirmed it

You should watch Infinity Train (the show of this video). It’s 10000090000% worth watching, seriously!!

@@papasscooperiaworker3649 i will probably

the entire second season is very heavily based around lake wanting to be their own person, not fitting in with what their society wants them to be, having to run and hide because of who they are, it can very clearly be an allegory for the trans experience and with their character design in season 2 lake can very very easily be seen as trans or nonbinary, just because you personally dont see it doesn't mean you should invalidate the view of the tens of thousands of people who disagree with you, especially when it gives them a sense of belonging that they may not get otherwise.

Learn what metaphors and allegories are, then come back

@Jay Blue so you came out of a mirror

@Jay Blue she wants to be seen as her own person

@Jay Blue that dont make sense

Yeah!

Next to Arson

@@Jrookus and I'm sure Lake has probably committed arson before-

I only remember mt did i miss something

@@x3l4x4n2 what?

It’s also the first reflection they saw that wasn’t dangerous so it’s extra special and meaningful

@@probnotking I love that their name has so much interpretations

I thought MT meant Mirror Tulip-

@@hunter9035 it does lol

Similar parallel: Ashley Johnson, who voices Tulip and Mirror Tulip, is part of a D&D show called “Critical Role”. In Critical Role’s second campaign, there’s a character named Mollymauk Tealeaf (not played by Ashley Johnson, but her friend and co-star Taliesin Jaffe). Part of Mollymauk’s story is that he woke up one day with no memory of who he was. Everything inside him was “empty”. And that’s the only word he was able to say for a while. Until he met people who misinterpreted it for “MT”, as his initials. Then he gave himself the name Mollymauk Tealeaf. Anyway, I’m a big Critical Role fan and I caught that reference, or parallel, when I watched it.

Me too 😭 Everytime I remember I feel so much emotion

YEAH.

thats precious

Im gonna cry

I never thought of it like that, thank you

@@joezilla1018 Maybe you can let people see media for how they want to see it and not critique them for meaningless bullshit 😁👍

@@CharlieCat18 how are they critiquing them?

@@joezilla1018 nobody cares what you think tomato boi

@lasyagna i like italian food y’all are definitely overlooking this whole thing she’s not trans, she is tired of being just tulips reflection she wants to be her own person instead of living in tulips shadow, this is not trans messages or themes, I still support trans rights but this is just not about transgender stuff.

@@CharlieCat18 Maybe if you learn proper etiquette that it’s not morally accepted to attack people especially those who just wish to respect the author’s wishes?

NDKWNFOENF Ok this is gold I am feeling progressively more and more stupid by reading these comments and realizing I hadn't catched any of the hints at a trans representation in this show

Lmao this is so true

YEAH

holy feck i think that quote just made me realize i might be nonbinary

i saw a tumblr post in which the person said their classmate was an enby called "Brick" and that was the most chad thing they ever saw in their life :V

I think the best thing about Lakes story is also that they go completely unidentified in that way, trans men, trans women, and nonbinary ppl alike can all identify with this story in their own way and not feel excluded.

I don’t think cartoon network would be against that thought

@@14possumsinatrenchcoat they would, I mean they cancelled that one show cause they confirmed a gay character

@@14possumsinatrenchcoat some supporters of the show definitely would-

@@Bananafood4444 what show?

as a gender nonconforming person it hits so hard. i have constantly validate myself to people that im not an "it", "abomination", or a freak...im a person. its so hard sometimes. im just trying to find who me is, even if that makes me different.

Samw I felt this

Because you can relate

@@Crybatty i just love how people do this everyone that's slightly different from the "norm"

That made me tear up. Ashley Johnson said the lines so emotionally.

I really have no clue if they intended to create a trans character at the beginning, but later decided, or were forced, to change it. Anyway, I like to think that lake was intended to be trans !

@@kanosalt5128 I felt lake like she was trans

@@kanosalt5128 ?? Well I dint notice any of that. All I tought was thay she was that rebellios girl that can defenetly beat you up

@@kanosalt5128 I mean since they're the opposite of Tulip in character, it makes sense for them to be on the other side of the gender spectrum 👀

“Both options are stupid.” - Lake, on the gender binary.

They can be someone else’s companion now😁

Yup

Antelope horse

Isn’t the deer’s name *Alan* Dracula?

They didn't leave him, they just set him free. Alan Dracula is free

I always thought it sounded like MT as in male testosterone, which is an important part of the transition process if your trans wtm. Idk maybe it’s just me lol.

@@gegnabean its just you

@@odiseohoosline6504 all the reason

The Big MT

@@demonicheroin8194 that's exactly what I thought

Themself right? Or am I crazy I’ve been staring at “their-self” for 30 minutes now

@@amitariely3816 Oh, whoops lol

How do we know her pronouns are "they" though lol

@@deepfriedspaghetti982 they isn't non-binary, it's gender neutral, as in it doesn't indicate any specific gender, hence using it when you don't know someone's pronouns

@@deepfriedspaghetti982 Yeah, I’m Demiboy and I use multiple pronouns. He/Him and They/Them. Having pronouns aren’t gendered, it’s how you’d want to be referred as.

literally same,, theres too much subtext that its pretty much text at this point lol

Tulip literally put it on lake so they could exist- if that isn't a metaphor, then I don't know what is

@@preternatural3231 no you're just reading into it too much

@@tokofukawap4055 hmm yeah no i think u lack critical thinking, no offense 💀 lol it's very obvious

What are testosterone patches?

What’s even weirder is that from the wide shot, it looks like lake wouldn’t be close enough to the wheel even if they dipped.

My guess is that her head is stronger than the hair Wonder if her hair works like fiber glass

69 likes nice!

@@toomanycharacter when you are a teenage trapped with your parents in a pandemic, yes, you can't.

@@toomanycharacter SAME! only that I want to have it long and they force me to cut it, I'm a boy 😔

@@toomanycharacter IKR is so SAD! 🤣

Gages not earings