I am a Land rover owner but I can't believe that a cruiser would perform so bad against an disco 3!! I'm sure you didn't use the right locks and ranges with the Toyota because this difference in perfomance is just unreal!!!
Hi there. As an LC Prado owner and have a bit of experience on Sand Dunes, I can tell that the traction control is off. If it was ON, the LC would do all of things the driver in the video failed to do. In extreme cases, still you can go for the central differential locking and low gear of course. I have never driven nor owned a LR, but no doubt, it’s a phenomenal off road machine. Note: Please let us be civilized to each other :)
While I think the Discovery is the superior vehicle for this terrain, the Prado clearly was not correctly configured. I think it could have done well in crawl-control mode if nothing else.
I love sand driving. Drove and owned different 4x4’s. The LR is a phenomenal off-road vehicle. In my opinion I’m not sure the under dog’s tyre pressure was correct for sand driving. To get a fair playfield both vehicles need to be fitted with the same type of tyres and equal tyre pressures all round. The Prado shouldn’t have struggled so much especially on a flat surface.
You talk absolute rubbish Eyad, i have had a Disco since new 1999 Td5, this vehicle has travelled around Australia twice on road and off road towing a 2.2 ton off road caravan, it has now done 436986Km without anything but the usual wear and tear. I have just serviced and replace the fuel cooler, not bad for the mileage.
Over the past decade I have owned both and driven them in most off-road & on road conditions. The LR Disco is the better car off-road and more comfortable on road. I still have my Disco 3. LR's are better than Toyota's from my experience.
I am a Landrover fan but this is so obviously staged to make Toyota look bad that I am ashamed to admit that I watched it. The producer and poster should be ashamed of them self.
Just a quick update on this video, the LR has been sold for a tenth of what the owner paid due to the oil leaks, electrical problems and finally the airbag suspension failures nearly sent him broke. On the other hand the Prado owner finally let his tyres down took a driving lesson and was last seen enjoying a Holliday in the Australian outback pulling a 2T caravan without ever opening the bonnet.
Prado tires pressure are high And thats explains this bad performance... When driving in sand, tires should be put 15 or 20 psi. for optimal traction and performance. I bet that the LR3 tires pressure are lowered.
Tyre pressure has nothing to do with the first test. What is shows is that the Toyota does not have the technology to take power away form the wheels in a cross-axle. power is lost to the two wheels in the air. The land rover forces power away from the spinning wheels and sends to wheels with traction. the sand has nothing to do with this. In the 2nd part, a wheel spinning in the sand becomes a path of least resistance for the power and that's what it gets stuck. Dont be a butt-hurt toyota fan. they are SOLID cars, but their technology is ancient. If it is reasonable for you to assume tyre pressure, then I will make the same assumption and say they were let down, and the land rovers were not. its just a superior vehicle regardless of your preference.
You have never driven on sand dunes right ? You know nothing about sand driving ... This is completely due to tyre pressure and Toyota traction control should switch off in sand + differential lock must be put on. (These controls are in manual in prado)
I have owned 2 prado's my Freinds owned three disco's over the past 14 years the list of repairs to the disco's are endless still repairing as I type this both my prado' towed off-road never broke down or needed one single repair. Disco's never went off-road and broke down under normal driving conditions if land rover fix their reliability issues they would be the all round winner on and off-road In my opinion reliability,resale,looks are a must when living with a big 4wd each to their own, personal opinions only no school yard attacks just what I have witnessed in the real world.
Driver skill off road makes a bigger difference than the vehicle LR is NOT better offrroad than any thing else,its top heavy and rolls to much on its long travel soft suspension ,they fall over in the dunes we drive in Namibia
As someone who absolutely loves Land Rover, i'd say this test was BS. Especially in regards to the the prado. Either it's not equipped with Toyota's version of terrain select and the traction control is turned off, or it's in the wrong setting, as it was clear the Toyota was doing nothing to prevent wheel slip. In regards to the jeep that really just shows the effectiveness of traction vs limited slip differentials rather then anything else, and a rubicon with lockers would be much better.
I've got a 120 V6 Prado and I drive in the sand dunes the tire pressure is a major factor no way a Prado performance is like that! Come on guys Top Gear is marketing so hard for British cars no need for others : P
try taking a prado into mud. it is terrible compared to a landrover!! (or just off road in general compared to a land rover) and have you seen the brand new land cruiser??? it is the ugliest 4x4 alongside with that new jeep cherokee that money can buy at the moment. there is a reason that top gear has 350,000,000 people watching that show. and thats because they are right. regardless if the land rover is British or not. it is in a different league to any toyota when it comes to off road, and looks, and build quality, and performance, and comfort, and with the newer landrovers, reliability also. put that in your pipe and smoke it :)
love my Discovery 3. it goes everywhere and has been pretty reliable. things are expensive sure but if you buy expensive you have to expect expensive parts. The looks of the Disco 3 I think are way better. I don't think Toyotas are junk in fact they are reliable as hell but I just cant give up on Land Rover. I love my truck and hope it is long living!
Mate you really need to have the prado with the TC on. This is B.S. Ive had a Prado fly off the top of a dune no problem. What pressures you running the two vehicles tyres at. Think there might be some bias here.
I have owned both Land Rovers and Land Cruisers, From the Disco 2, P38, to the LR3 and LR4 and have owned LC's from the FJ60 to the 100 series... The ONLY Land Rover I would ever buy again was my 2006 LR3 with the Ford V6 (the first LR that EVER got me over 150K with ZERO engine problems)... I would happily take back ANY of the LC's I have EVER owned (All got me over 200K with NO problems.. Land Rover left me on the side of the road AND trail more times than I can remember... Toyota is the only way to go.. But you cant beat the ride quality of any LR (when they are running)
Land Rover are amazing off road vehicles but they can be infuriating when it comes to break downs. I have had several problems. I have a Toyota as well and Find my self driving it everywhere with no problems. I cannot say the same with Land Rover they have lost my confidence to be honest.
***** I am still using my Land Rovers as they are amazing off road but If I am going on a trip with the family that involves off road I would never take the Land Rovers as they simply cannot be trusted. I completely can understand why you would go full Toyota. My wife has an Evoque that her and the daughter use continuously and they have never had issues and my friends have newer Land Rovers and they do not have issues either. I will wait 6 years to see what happens.
im sorry how many times can people blame the tyre pressures or the driver. there are so many videos like this on you tube of landrovers running circles around anything else.
I luv the Land rover, it makes the Prado look bad. But in reality the Discovery4 is just fantastic, comfort and you feel it is grounded,I am not sure about the Prado. We were once at a point where we had to choose between a Prado Vs Discovery4 and ended up getting the Discovery 4 and we are very Happy.
I have LC120 and reparing it myself, but when watching Disco D3 being repaired it is much more complicated, very difficult to get access to some parts and a lot more electronics...
Obviously the prado tyres are not at the correct psi for sand driving. I have a Prado and its nearly unstoppable on the beach as long as you have the tyre pressure correct. The difference that 1 psi makes is unbelievable .
Tyre pressure has nothing to do with the first test. What is shows is that the Toyota does not have the technology to take power away form the wheels in a cross-axle. power is lost to the two wheels in the air. The land rover forces power away from the spinning wheels and sends to wheels with traction. the sand has nothing to do with this. In the 2nd part, a wheel spinning in the sand becomes a path of least resistance for the power and that's what it gets stuck. Dont be a butt-hurt toyota fan. they are SOLID cars, but their technology is ancient. If it is reasonable for you to assume tyre pressure, then I will make the same assumption and say they were let down, and the land rovers were not. its just a superior vehicle regardless of your preference.
wesleysuperman So you really think that this test is fair? It looks like Land Rover propaganda to me. Take a look at some of the unbiased 4wd tests on the prado. It performs WAY better than this video shows. BTW my cousins discovery had a fire in the engine bay while driving to Sydney yesterday!
Why would the test not be fair? cars are the same price (Actually in SA the Prado costs more) and they are the best offerings of their respective companies. That sucks for your brother, but what discovery does he have? model? year? was it regularly serviced? and sadly, Austalia do get a very low spec compared with those of USA, UK and south africa. Although that's no excuse. but I am assuming your brothers discovery is new for purpose of this argument?
LAND ROVER is THE BEST 4X4 BY FAR! It´s simple: Toyota FANATICS will NEVER ADMIT TOYOTA IS GOOD BUT NOT BEST! That will never change, but it doesn´t matter...
Hernan Moser get a life....look at the first obstacle...LC didnt had enough traction to overcome the obstacle...and ur Land rover had enough traction on the right rear wheel!
@REDR8 I disagree my friend, first I bought one J150 VX V6 engine, full leather and yes, it really has more electronical gadgets and a better traction control, but! then I tried J120 and I fell in love with that baby; Best looking, SAME engine (1GRFE V6) also full leather and the best: a brutal powertrain to climb a very steep mountain (with J150 I couldn't). So, I went back my J150 and bought J120 (the last one in 2009). Greetings.
I have tried these two vehicles in this video and have driven them in a same kind of challenging off-road course, and in my opinion, the result here in this video appears to speak to itself.. I am not a land rover fan but this discovery just pulls like there is an invisible winch pulling it in whatever surface it goes..just impressive... all my life I haven't owned a land rover, I always have a land cruiser, I only experienced a Land Rover during that off-road course and I cannot understand why the prado feels so inferior when you get in to the Disco.. I might be a convert soon...
Middle differential in both D4 and Prado is torsen type. Front differential in both is open. Rea differential lock in both is optional. So really, the 4wd technology is at the same level. Land Rover just has packet it nicely, and made a great marketing name "terrain response", but the systems are really exactly using the same principles. ABS sensors in wheels to detect wheel rotation speed, and applying brakes to not let the momentum get lost from a wheel that has lost it's traction.
Neither of these cars can live with the LR4. Reliability problems sorted, improved suspension, brakes, engine and steering. Awesome on and off the road...
Why would you buy a Toyota over a Land Rover haha? The Discovery is superb off road and although the Toyota is good, can the Toyota beat the Discovery for on road drive, classiness or practicality? The Discovery 4 is the ultimate 4x4. Go look at reviews and see for yourself, the Toyota comes nowhere near the Disco for its wide range of talents.
Ok haha. Go look at reviews and find one that says the LC is the better car ALL ROUND. Its meant for off road only which is not good enough in today's market. And regardless of your excuse, its clearly not even as good as the LR off road either.
Don't be so stupid. Every car site says the Discovery is the best 4x4 out, why can't you just accept that. They can't all be biased hahahaha! Think about it; however good the LC is, is it as classy? Is it as good to drive on road? Is it as practical? Simple. It isn't. Sit in one and drive one on the road and you'll know what I mean.
I admit they have better reliability. But you haven't answered my questions. Is it classier, better to drive and more practical? Reliability isn't the be all and end all. Besides, loads of manufactures are hit and miss. Not all LR's will be bad!
Yes Land Rover's aren't the most reliable but everyone exaggerates it. Do all Land Rovers break down every ten miles? Look at other videos then, the Discovery is still quality off road. And even if it isn't quite as good off road, its still much better than the LC in other areas. Its loads of cars rolled into one and its breadth of talents is incredible. Its an amazing car.
This comparison is not of the cars, it the driver and techniques to drive in desert. The driver of Toyota and jeep may have very less experience of driving in desert as Toyota was struggling on flat sand and got stuck.
I agree with desertization. You can tell the pressures are different because of the way the tyres on the prado dig in to the sand.The only way to see if the pressures are different is with a pressure gauge. 20 PSI doesn't look any different to road pressures at the distance this video shows.
Jonathan Hoy yeah that's right who goes off road with maxx air pressure? That Prado would school the Lr3 . The only one that would keep up would be a defender or maybe the lr4
And after the first 10,000 KM run, the LandRover sleeps in garages, while Toyota owner inherits the Prado to his first grand son. On a serious note, Prado driver is a pro scammer.
I completely believe it. I'm sure a lot of Toyota fans are blindly loyal and upset about the video but I am not talking from an opinion, but rather the fact that I actually own both a Land Rover and a Land Cruiser and as reliable as the Toyotas are the traction system in the Land Rover is far superior. I live in the desert and use them both. Toyotas are strong and reliable but the differential is a bad design. you have to upgrade it to have a limited slip diff and lockers otherwise you almost always only have two wheels spinning.. .and this video is proof. You can make the Cruiser great with upgrades and modifications however, but thats not factory.
The name of the game is air pressure in the tires in both cases the Prado and Wrangler had over inflated tires and the LandRover was aired down tto give it an advantage
Peter Rocks it's ok all the shit bag owner of Rover must be proud of owning a suv that they will keep for 3 years, and they toyota will still be kept forever . If Rover was that great why did they sell it to the Indian ? Asian ? If it was that good I would own one but I don't buy junk ,especially something that lose 3/4 of its price in 5 years . All these people blabbering about the Rover because it's a cheap car that looks expensive . It's highly prefer by broke want to be ballers .
Very true,I have no clue what the Brits are trying to prove when Indians own the unreliable brand & Ford had it before...That brand is passed around like hoar.
penvon They are still amazing off road. Take the defender for example it is one of the top fleet off road vehicles around. Emergency services use them world wide.
#Bigheads69 How many defenders or the discoveries are being driven around the world compared to Toyota Land cruises? Count them and the numbers will say which off Road vehicles between among defender, discovery, or Land Cruiser is the best and the winner?
Personally I think the Prado (and Jeep) are downplayed a lot in this video. I am not questioning the ability of the LR by any means. I am certain most of those sharing their thoughts on this have enough experience off road driving in the UAE desert to understand that the Prado is definitely not as poor as this video makes it look. Truth, I have barely ever seen an LR in the desert in my 17 odd years living in the UAE. I only ever see FJ, Wrangler, Land Cruisers and Patrols and Prado.
I am contemplating purchasing Discovery! honestly speaking it looks just great. Would appreciate your views on reliability of Land rover most people I talk cautioned me about reliability of Landies
If you want the Prado to look bad. You will definitely make it look bad. The Prado drive approach everything in a kak way. I am driving Toyota for a very long time now Will munch a disco any time any place.
I personally think that the land rover lowered its tire pressure for more traction while the prado did not.im live in KSA and i know this, my dad even has a landcruiser 4.7 L thats how we get traction in offroad driving
This is not fair. Anyone with little bit of Off Roading experience can tell that you haven't engaged the low gear/diff-lock or lowered the tire pressure on the Prado. Please don't insult our intelligence.
Thats the first. Have you noticed the tires? The LR has very little pressure (which is the right thing to do when in sand) and the LC has full inflation.
lol fake, TC and TM on LR3 works like a differential lock, the land cruiser center differential lock is not in use, TC seems to be off and driver is using 4H while pressing hard on the throttle
For sure. In theLC was in lock why aren't all wheels spinning. So sad to see this from a Landy owner. And we all know which one will be in the workshop more often. LR3-4 are good but still have the landrover problems as alway.
обычно,когда блокировка выключена,то вращает только одна ось,а у него две вращали...и вообще что сравнивать тупо паркетник с повышенной проходимостью с более менее внедором...оО
John Kerwood, Don't knock Rover's. I think you're pulling our leg here about "townies" only owning rover's. I'll put my money against your and put my Disco against your's any day of the week, and I'd go home with a few extra bucks. Here's some advice to rover hater's; Head gasket problems? Plenum & Lower intake Prob's? Do yourselves a favor and tell your mechanic's out there that when they are replacing heads/intake/timing etc. to first torque to factory spec 3 (Three) times (walk away for an hour, come back and torque, walk away for an hour, come back and torque, walk away for an hour and do a final torque of all bolts. Then run pressure tests, leak tests, and one more final inspection before completely finishing the project. I guarantee you'll never need gaskets/heads again. Thermostat problems? Make sure you choose a thermostat that opens at lower temperatures, this is a must as rovers tend to overheat on the highway more than inner-city driving with the A/C on. Rovers are also known for blowing heat way too hot in the winter, it's simple, go with a lower temp thermostat that will open up at lower temperatures. USE THE BEST OIL. Also, use a higher temperature coolant. These aren't Junk SUV's, they are finicky and demand the best treatment hence the hefty price tag. Take care of it for what it's "really worth" and it will outlast ANY SUV/Truck on the planet. Again, I am a mechanic, so my advice is, by all means, correct and professional
I wouldn't be surprise if the drives of both Toyota and LR3 are all Brits; it would be clear that they are all bias against the Toyota! Which car is sold the most? The numbers speaks for themselves!
Is this a Discovery 3 promotion? Very stupid action ... Always they try to Discovery 3 put up. they use some tricks to do it like engine rpm, tire pressure, rear diff lock in Discovery 3. This is a lie ...
why are you guys trying to make the prado look bad? is this something of a marketing scam, you guys arent engaging the prado properly, or is the prado driver just a cake?
Rock Hustler fake ass hell Prado couldn't even drive on sand ,and it's not even a steep sand. It's obviously fake. I just watch a video of the Prado climb a 45 degree hill
We don't care, Toyota make very pretty highway cruisers. We know we don't have the Land Rover's Off-Road ability, but at least we look like we do in the Wal Mart car park on a Saturday afternoon, and that's what really counts.
So with proper equipment and some aftermarket modifications where newer Toyota falls short from factory equipment, any Toyota Land Cruiser or Prado can be just as effective. It's more that they chose not to equip them from the factory as such these days, since MOST normal users never go extreme off roading, and prefer fuel economy and more precise computer assisted handling on road, which is the primary use 99% of the time for most people.
@TheCoolHani - It's not about diff-locks. Land Rover's Terrain Control coupled with the LR articulation is what the difference is. Toyotas are cheaper than Land Rovers for a reason.
I really wish there was definitive info out there, I'm really stuck between a Disco and Land Cruiser (Prado) but every comparison just breaks into pointless bickering in the comments section. I'm English but don't have any particular leaning either way, so far my thoughts are that the LR offers far better value for money (Here anyway) in terms of specification, for instance the terrain response and air suspension is an extra on the LC (On a 48k car!) but is standard on all disco's, even the cheapest models, having said that the anecdotal evidence suggests, almost overwhelmingly, that the Disco has reliability issues but the Toyotas don't. If anyone has anything meaningful to add or can point me at some other comparisons I would be grateful!
Mate, i live in Oz and have done many 4WDing trips. You're spot on about the technology edge that Disco has over Toyota. But as always Japos got better reliability as well as cheaper maintenance. Personally I'd go for the Disco for a few reasons: The terrain response and air suspension are second to none. I mean they are absolutely fantastic. Plus Disco handles much better on-road. So if you don't mind the extra maintenance cost and depreciation go for Disco. ps: What you see here on this video looks a bit odd to me. Prado is a very capable off-roader. I reckon they didn't let enough air off tyres and that's why it keeps getting stuck. My 1995 Toyota 4Runner does a better job than that on the sand :) They simply don't know how to drive !
Ali Ansari You must be the first Aussie I've ever heard support the Landie over the toyota! Haha! Thanks for the response though, sensible input is always appreciated.
Lee McDonald No worries mate. It's just a personal taste. The main reason that Toyota are so popular here is because they're tough and indestructible. More importantly if you're stuck in the outback, those bush-mechanics would be able to fix it easily. But in terms of technology and cool stuff cannot beat the Landie.
I have a feeling the Prado owner didn't set up the car properly and dont know how to off road based on the first test. Seems like the center and rear diff are not locked and it's also weird that the A-Trac/Traction Control didnt kick in. He rushed the gas pedal and all he did was dug himself in the sand.
Successful 4 wheeling is about knowledge, experience, technique, and knowing when and how to use the vehicle's strengths. My '97 Land Cruiser has no problems in terrain like this, but then again, I'm not some fucking idiot driver that doesn't know about the diff lock either.
I'm not quite sure why the off-road community feels the need to prove that "my ride is better than yours". The fact is Land Rover's 4X4 systems are infinitely more sofisticated and effective than anything out there, which is why everyone is copiyng it. Air suspension, selectable computarized terrain response dial, croped up inside any Jeep products lately? Of course they have. Enjoy whatever you drive off road but give fair credit where it's due.
Land Rover makes the best 4x4 vehicles in the world.....bar none. The fun thing is the interiors are so much nicer to be in then all other 4x4's aswell
Man, they are so stupid to think intelligent people have believe this. The diff lock on the cruiser was never engaged and the tires were never deflated. If you put someone with little brains in the Prado, it will become a Discovery recovery vehicle. Does not matter how you try and fake it, you need to, to make the Discovery look like an off road vehicle.
It looked fair to me.....only one winner & I know what I would have. Seeing as the prado owners on here will argue different show us a film that says otherwise. People will always side with what they got on their own driveway. It must be hard to see your pride & joy being outsmart by the opposition.
if you want to bring a Prado to go against this LR3, you need the range topping model which comes with CRAWL Control and Multi-Terrain Control. not this normal standard one
please do a fair test next time, if you lower pressure on one car then do the same on the other. If you use a bad driver for one car do the same for the other. and if you lock the diffs on one car do the same on the other.
Only had this unstoppable beast for 1.5years but the 2ft snow we have in Romania did not stop it everyone around me slipping and getting stuck and in so called 4x4but, go anywhere, this machine is built for land with no roads and for pulling Land Rovers, Merc, X5 ,Q7 and so onto the garage to be fixed , l feel safe in it if you want a good 4x4 which is not going to break down buy Landcruiser.The beauty of Toyota is that won't break down!!!(185.000miles) nothing went wrong all original parts
Richis Afrika that's a opinion it's not a fact , beside Range Rover is nothing here but a suv that gets repo back and fourth. My friend told me when he sells a Rover, the customer never pays them their money . They realized how crappy the car is and decides to dump them . You ll only see Rover doing this kind of stage show to make people buy them ,beside I would rather take a jeep over this big depreciation junk.
