Landing & Shutdown Tutorial for the F-4E Phantom by Heatblur in DCS World 

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Best quote ever 😂😂😂

maybe one day you will survive the mission and now you know how to land and shut down this thing 😉

“How are ya, sir?”

I feel so seen.

Yet the touchdown was as gentle as an asteroid impact. He prioritised AOA and speed but all that was a waste with such a hard landing. He touched down with 700 Ft/m which led to a nosewheel slam into the tarmac. Up to that point though, that's a very nice guide.

​@@paulwalker2988Look at real life Phantom landings, they're supposed to land this hard.

@@BANANP Oh I saw many of them. None of them buried their nose gear into the ground .3 of a second after touchdown. But setting real life aside, this here is a tutorial and.... landing like this can catch an unexperienced pilot off guard. It can lead to bouncing or veering of off the runway. The biggest problem with this plane is not aiming it for the runway but keeping it under control once it touches down. In that aspect, following the guidance of this vid to the T. will lead many new pilots to find themself inverted in the ditch.

@@paulwalker2988 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4VTFKy133Sg.htmlsi=k5jj5UCaMAzGTrYe

@@paulwalker2988 also keep in mind that the track replay system is not 100% reliable. The ‘uncut’ landing seems much smoother than some of the extrnal replays, they are all the same landing but played out slightly differently each time.

How many KC-135’s did you empty? 😂 Did you add porta-potty to the ground support equipment wish list? 😂

@@Andrew-13579 Flying in 60k feet with minimal thrust decreased fuel consumption significantly, I only emptied 3 of them!

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Indeed!!))))

Enjoy!

Thanks! Yeah, the biggest secret to it is practice..

Thanks a lot, glad you liked it!

Thank you!

Thank you! Anything that Victory 205 posts is gold :)

can you link Victorys post here by chance?

Danke!:)

Glad you liked it!

Glad you liked it!

Thank you!

Thanks!

Thank you!

Well, feels like you pretty much described exactly what I felt, raising all the points I feel I needed to improve and practice on, thank you :)

I think it’s just that the Phantom is much less tolerant to being 1-2 units too slow. You need to react immediately. Or better yet, anticipate it.

Raise the seat

Of course I couldn’t do it :) even now I mess it up sometimes. Things like this take practice.

That's good advice, I always sweep left to right or right to left, but the Phantom checklist doesn't necessarily follow that order, especially not after engine start.

Good advice, thanks!

Watch the tutorials and you’ll know what to bind. Also you should already have your basics like trim trigger etc

Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. I don’t like telling people what to bind and how, it’s personal, and it depends on your HOTAS. I like to bind stuff to keys and buttons that are in a similar position relative to my body as in the cockpit. Easier to remember.

I found a source that says otherwise

Found it: 'Phantom Guide' from the USAF Test Pilot School at Edwards AFB from 1988. It specifies the initial must be flown offset, and you initiate your break abeam the touchdown point. Then again, this may just be Edwards AFB -specific procedures. But this is the only source I got that says anything about this.

@@ReflectedSimulations That’s an EDW specific procedure. Fly over the runway, offsetting opposite the break puts your wingmen in even a worse position for their break. Also, coordinated rudder and aileron when rolling in the landing configuration.

Have you made sure to uncheck the force feedback tickbox?

Disable FFB in misc settings

@@ReflectedSimulations Yep disabled that before my first flight. I haven't touched any of the other special settings though.

@@DCS_World_Japan the key is trimming on speed, finding the right throttle setting and not moving it too much to correct

@@ReflectedSimulations The trim is too coarse for fine adjustments one flight, and nearly non-responsive the next :( running a slow repair now to make sure nothing got whacky in the update.

Thanks! Roll: 0, pitch: 10

I have a takeoff tutorial too ;)

@ReflectedSimulations no one is doing the control mapping, it's more complicated I think that's where the struggle stems from

It’s the same except you do a straight in. If you check, I turned on the ILS needles before the initial.

@@ReflectedSimulations Yeah I noticed that, I'm just having trouble trying to get the needles show up on my ADI on some airfields. The needles seem to be bugged on Al Dhafra in the Gulf. UPDATE: I've gone through some posts on the DCS forum and it seems that the Gulf is indeed buggy when it comes to ILS.

Maybe but I know very little about the backseat

@@ReflectedSimulations Never a bad time to start learning, would love to have your high quality information!

Thanks! Based on the recommendation of an SME I use 10 for pitch 0 for roll

I think it’s only hard for hud cripples coming from modern jets :) If you can land warbirds, it’s nothing new

​@@ReflectedSimulations "hud cripples" hahaha 🤣 Well I fly more modern jets in DCS than warbirds, but I'm all for a good challenge. I remember when I first started landing the Mudhen and I'd almost always run out of runway and end up in a fireball! Then I watched Notso's landing video and realized that I wasn't aerobraking anywhere near enough. Once that clicked in, it was glorious!!! My landings were sweet. IRL, landing in a crosswind was my biggest challenge as a student pilot (due to the cross control technique required) and my intimidation upon dipping wing low while approaching the runway, lol. Years later when I began working on my tailwheel endorsement, "Wheel Landings" were quite challenging, due to a similar intimidation. This time, it was the need to push the stick forward as soon as the mains contacted the runway (to plant the gear firmly)! Push the stick forward? Are you kidding me! 😳😂 Haha, once it clicked, it was a beautiful thing.

I don’t think it’s modeled but I could be wrong. If your descent is ‘t more than 700fpm, and you pull the stick aft a bit before touchdown it can indeed be greased

Or… ‘That was nearly as beautiful as Meg Ryan’ !

@@ReflectedSimulations If you mean the ground effect, it's there. The issue is that a brick is still a brick, even in the ground effect.

Yes I’ve got some original manuals and squadron training aids. Some may be available on the web somewhere.

Search for F4Manual-1979-T-O-1F-4E-1-Flight-Manual-USAF-Series-F-4E-Aircraft.pdf

You use the dcs radio menu to request a rearm. For the glideslope, set up your ils needles to help

Yes, you just apply short clicks. It’s pretty sensitive but HB measured how many seconds it takes for the needle to move from full down to full up in a real Phantom so it’s realistic

Because that one is based on an original InFlight Guide, and this one is just a tutorial :)

Officially? No, you don't really need to flare the F-4. But in practice, real life pilots did flare a little. As I explained in the vid, just pull back on the stick a little when you get into ground effect. This is what the manual says. I touched down at 4-500 fpm (the VVI lags), but of course you can do better - I posted a smoother flare in a short video after this. But yeah you don’t land the F-4 like an F-16

I’m sure more features will be added but it’s a lot more finished than anything ever released in DCS

Nellis Air Force Base from the NTTR Map

Yes. My upcoming MIG Killers campaign will teach you how. Although without cannons.

@@ReflectedSimulations Cannons, only. Please. Thank you

@@levinste2750 tell that to the Navy ;)

You’ve got to find that throttle sweet spot and then don’t move it much for corrections. Plus minus 3-5%

As soon as they release the Navy Phantom :)

Hahaha

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If you’re sinking too much you add power (if the turn needs to be tight) or decrease bank (if you can afford)

@@ReflectedSimulations Yes, but trouble is, you add power and you also have to add pitch then you lose being on speed.....I cant seem to have both....!

Never let the AoA go above 21 units. As soon as you hear the high pitch tone push the stick slightly forward and add a bit of power

Crosswind? Look at my legwork on the control display

Don’t forget differential braking to stay on the centerline. Reflected mentioned it and it’s in the real flight manual. Nose wheel steering is basically only good for taxiing.

Once you get the hang of it it’s quite easy!

It’s not bad. This is a great tutorial, but basically with flaps and gear down, fly the indexer (doughnut) and don’t get slow. Better to be on the fast (bottom) side of the indexer than slow. If long, go around. Have a button mapped for the drag chute, because it’s hard to click the handle while staying on the centerline. Keep practicing.

You trim up for landing in all planes.

@@Essah15 I know but trimming down in takeoff is strange but is feature of f4. But very interesting plane anyways. These little details make these older planes More interesting than Modern fbw planes 😀

Spitfire, Mustang, 109, you trim all of them down for takeoff - although very different airframes.

I've never Flown airplane except in simulator so I dont really know about trimming but in sims during takeoff I trim slightly up. But if trimming down is correct I need to correct my takeoff procedure. I'M from Finland and Finnish air force had british jet trainer Gnat (hot shots Movie) that had tendency to pitch up heavily during takeoff. It needed down trim or it went vertical and might stall.

@@banditkfk1463 Trim down in the Mudhen pretty aggressively as well, if you takeoff with the correct TO trim setting! Heck, I have to trim down a little in the GA planes I fly IRL, once I'm airborne.

Yeah, straight ins are only in IFR conditions or at night.

overhead breaks allow for recovering more aircraft and quicker, which is very convenient for military ops