The outside A line went slack during collapse and got hooked on the speed bar pulley. The pilot was panicking and did not see it so he kept trying to recover the collapse but it was impossible because he needed to free the right A line. Essentially he landed with one big ear pulled in. Good control all things considered. Lesson for the rest of us to check lines are free after collapses. @2:23 you can see the outside red A line is pulled down and caught on something creating the big ear effect.
Cravats don’t flap: not 100% true but the leading edges dont move around flapping like this … very good point u made. Outer A and outer B are hooked on something
look closely. one of the cables in row A on the right is hooked to something lower down. this collapse could not let go by itself. you could say you had your right ear on and didn't see it
On 1:54 if you pause we can clearly see that the second A line from outside is somehow stuck in the risers, under the C control handle. You just had to undo it.
Well seen Bastien, thanks. Hooked in an apparently useless label furthermore. I'm sure that Bruce G will see this video and improve that hardly predictable issue (Printing instead of sewing for ex). The less there is potential hooks of any kind, the less there is risks.
Thanks for posting this I have studied this paraglider problem for some time as I'm learning to fly. This is the first mention I have seen of a tangled line after a collapse and recovery. There's a saying if it will launch it will fly. If you get some problems off the surface from the start you should be able to fly down and land it. Now a new thing if it'll fly it will land.
this happens quite often. the A-line may even be stuck in the carabiner. so, as you said, you have to look not only above but also down and follow the lines. you can see it several times in your video. happened also to me ;-)
That is definitely something that you don’t see every day. I have had lines hook the C handles while ground handling but never while doing maneuvers. This is something all pilots should be aware off!
Robert himself grabs the right middle A line in the video at 0.08! This creates a one-sided flap / collaps and the A line gets caught somewhere on the harness or on the belt at the pulleys or lower. Did you want to target a one-sided flap (big ear) ?
This is typical issue of BGD Cure and Base (Base is less prone, because of more thick lines). There is a lifehack how to prevent lines to be catched with the C-steering handles. Just wrap the bottom of the handle with a sticky tape (duct-tape, insulating tape, scotch is less preferred) to flatten the connection of the handle and the main stripe.
I remember this landing, because I was one of the people on the (sunrise) landingspot. We where really wondering what was wrong with you for landing this way. Right before you touched the ground, your wing recovered itself, so it looked a lot like you had been intentionally pulling a big ear on only one side. This video clears up the mystery. :)
well done though brother, you did an amazing job to land as softly as you did with no injuries, so to me that was a perfect landing, not the most ideal, however, you remained calm, worked with what you had, and got to land safely
Not the last time you'll probably land with half a wing, good skill to have. Same thing happened to me at Soboba, I was too low to clear. Glad you figured it out, I saw the A line pretty quickly only cause I've seen videos where the wing wasn't responding correctly and so I have learned to look to ensure all A lines are present and accounted for. But tough to recognize that in the air. I wouldn't sell the wing, but I certainly don't like anything that could hook the A risers on a collapse. That asymmetric really was not something that should have been a big deal, but this became a big deal when the A riser was hooked. If this was active air or a hot LZ it could have ended badly. Find out what it got stuck on and remove it ;)
No offense intended but you should either go back to en-B wing or take a SIV course. At 0:15 , when the right side collapsed, you kept pumping the left brake. The proper procedure is weight shift left , then applied just enough left brake to straighten up the wing. Once the wing is flying straight find out what is wrong without being panic. Also you can do a full stall to clear the stuck lines once you have practiced full stall during SIV course.
Going back to a B wing would make no difference. This was not because of the rating of the wing. The pilot did well enough to fly the glider straight and land safely. Doing an SIV would also not change what happened.
but in my opinion if he used his eyes properly he would have had recognized what was wrong. i know it is a stressfull situation but as phan said, the glider was flying stabel, then use ur eyes and look what is the problem. it would have no problem to solve the mishap.
Thanks for sharing, congrats for the courage to keep your shit together and land that thing in such a tight spot, keep flying C's maybe just take more time to get used to any new wing the next time, even if it's an A.
Može mi niekto vysvetliť čo sa vlastne stalo? Pri pristávaní sa kridlo zregenerovalo. To nevyzera ako kravata. Dvaja ľudia sem napisali že mali s BGD rovnaký problem. O čo ide? Toto by som nechcel zažiť.
Cvicny pokus o frontstall (nove kridlo a nepreletovy den), jedna ackova snura zustala zahaknota za uchop na c popruhu a drzela to zborene. Pokud te takova vec napadne a nehledas problem vsude nad sebou, je reseni jednoduche. Ja mel starosti to udrzet v letu rovne (slo to samo mozna az do spiraly) hledat problem na sedacce me tedy nenapadlo (a ano problem byl doslova pred nosem). Zregenerovani po pristani me sokovalo, protoze jsem o to bojoval skoro celou dobu a kdyz uz to bylo pase tak se ta mrcha nafoukla :) -- asi uz tusis, pristani odstranilo napeti a snura se vyhakla ... Svine jedna :)
Hi, do you mean the arm or palm direction? As of the arm, I believe I have pulled from outside, same way I used to do ears. Perhaps you mean pull down with the hand in the same direction I would do ... a facepalm ( :-) ). Please elaborate it on it more, you may have a point...
At 0:08 you pull the B (not A) with the thumb down, the C are in front of your arm. I think this is the reason why you can pull the line under and behind the C handle. If you have taken the A (and not the B), with the thumb up (watching you palm), you could not mix the lines with the C handle. This is a video of me during a SIV: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HICB-SapBlM.html. I pull the As with my arms at the outside of all lines.
Glad to see that you saw the problem on the video... it opens really fast after collapses, but of course if lines are clear... once it happen similar to me with a line hooked on the speed hook.... i had a hard time to unhook but it worked at the end.... as you can see, your main mistake probably, is not being calm, so you couldn't see the problem... assymetrics open quite good just by body shifting or letting it turn if you have height enough. Even though, it flies straight as you can see... sorry for this... but you know... sometimes we win, sometimes we learn, and this one, was a good lesson!! All the best and enjoy whatever choice or machine you fly.
Yep, a good lesson for me and hopefully for others too. I don't recall that any instructor would ever told me (but maybe my memory is just so bad) to check lines at risers. Everyone just look up. Lines on Cure are black and thin, not easy to see what's going on if you don't know what to look for. So it's worth to share, and repeat and memorize. This can happen on any wing. This is a new wing for me and for a while I thought, that this is may be a normal behavior. I am glad it isn't ;-)
Hello Robert, very interesting video, I think the answer is in 1.03! In the outside line of A risers catched in a harnes or somewere. What you think? Sory for the language.... Nick
Robert greift selber im Video bei 0.08 in die rechte mittlere A Leine! Dadurch entsteht ein einseitiger Klapper und es verfängt sich die A Leine irgendwo am Gurtzeug oder am Gurt bei den Rollen oder tiefer. Wolltest Du einen einseitigen Klapper gezielt ziehen?
3:09 Seems like one of these trees opened it for you :) ... It's so sad that the solution was so close and sometimes we panic too much to see the obvious.
If you aren´t comfortable with full stall you might have tried a frontstall or even big ears to see if it would release. But in the end... all´s well that ends well.
But it WAS a big ear ! if you look at this right, there's an A line taken in something down around the right handler. It's nothing but a big ear hold with something else than pilote's hand.
Forget the Stabilo on a big collapse - opposite weight shift and massive, deep pumps with brake on collapsed side - just short of spinning the wing. Otherwise if enough height + pilot skill, a stall will reset things most of the time.
Your video has been re-uploaded for a "Paragliding crash" video, did you give permission? The title of the video is "Landing on the folded WING . PARAGLIDING crash "
Kamo jak muzes litat na takovym padaku (6.75 EN-C) jak nedokazes rozlisit ve vzduchu jestli mas kravat nebo obycejny collapse. To fakt nedokazu pochopit. Myslim ze tve uvazovani aby jsi spatky sel do neceho slabsiho je velmi dobre. Kazdopadne dobre ze jsi takove video opublikoval. Diky k tomu nevzniknou dalsi legendy :-) Mej se!
A kdyz se to stane na Ackovem kridle, tak mi poradis abych vratil pilotak? Stejna vec se prece muze stat kazdemu na jakemkoliv kridle, proto to take sdilim, protoze ne kazdeho napadne hledat problem nekde v karabinach (tedy krom problemu po startu). Vetsina pilotu hleda problem nahore. A ani si nevybavuji ze by mi to nekdy nejaky instruktor neco takoveho kdy rikal (mozna mam jen spatnou pamet, pak je treba opakovat). Jasne ze ze zidle na monitoru to je jasne (koukalo nas na to video tady vic, vcetne akro pilota a zavlecena snura napadla kolegu az po mnoha minutach a trasovani videa, to uz jsem v realu davno pristal, nahore jsem mel co delat abych se mi to neroztocilo). Jako kravata to uplne nevypada, ale ja to lip nazvat neumel, proste jsem nechapal jak je to mozne ze se to neregeneruje, jestli je to nekde zavlecene a premyslel jestli to snad neni normalni chovani (nove kridlo) a co delam spatne. Jsem rad ze vim ze to neni kridlem a jsem rad ze jsem zas o neco moudrejsi a az se nekdy zavlikne snura do nejake karabiny, tak budu vedet cim to a pokud to navic nebudu schopen za letu opravit (jako ze to se taky muze stat), tak snad budu umet zase pristat. Jinak je Cure samozrejme ostrejsi nez Eden V, ale zatim nekouse ani v silnejsi termice (samozrejme vyzaduje aktivni pilotaz). Prijde mi to pocitove ale mensi rozdil nez kdyz jsem kdysi prechazel z Eden III na V.
Robert Macháček Divej dobre ze se ti nic nestalo. Me se jedna o to kazdy pilot ktery chce litat na takovym AR musi umet rozlisit zakladni veci. Sorry ze mam na to takovy drsny nazor ale moc casto posledni dobou hodimy na hrbitovy.
exquse me ,but i can t understand one .why this guy stay so long whit this klaaaapaaa :) and can t land normnal:) in my country we call to this collapse just shlaaap and nothing .don t panic
I wish they had a better way to paramotor! A safer way!! I’ve seen sooooo many collapses!! People just flying along then all of a sudden they’re speeding to there death!!!
