🔥 Join to Scenario 8 Team to get access to perks: / @scenario8 🟠 Formula 1 Hungarian GP 2024 ▶ VIDEO source: Lando Norris (GBR) - Onboard Camera. ▶ AUDIO source: McLaren F1 Team (Will Joseph) - Team Radio.
Team really dropped the bag on this one. Should have just pitted Oscar first, like they were supposed since he was the lead car and Lando wasn’t under pressure from any cars behind him that would have forced him to pit first.
Yeah,this whole mess was started by McLaren itself, a poorly managed situation and pitstops,they had the time to make things right. And now they made Oscar's first win feel empty,even when the Aussie deserved it.
They made it sure that the team is going to get a 1-2 finish that's why Lando pitted first. The plan was to contain Hamilton. But yea, the team really fked them up.
@@Zenith387 They ASSUMED Lando would play along since they're all about "its the team that counts". They have learned now that's not the case.. Add to that a certain air of entitlement that Lando has gotten since his Miami win + the sentiment that the team have thrown away Silverstone for him.
@@edwheaton7759I don’t think he feels guilty, but more like he feels like he got a cheap gift not earned. I doubt guilt is what is going through Oscar’s mind
I was having a barbecue with my brother and family and asked to put it in F1. I told him that F1 this year was cool and more competitive. Then he told me "I stopped watching F1 at that time they asked to change Schumacher's position." And then a few minutes later they ask Lando to change places with Piastri. Imagine my face of disappointment and shame.
Undercut their own P1, then ask their driver Championship P2 to give up the win... braindead team leaders. all they did was give Oscar a FLAT first ever F1 GP win; will always be a tainted win.
The tragic part of it all is that it would have been all the more interesting to see if Lando could have caught up in the circumstances which you suggested. It certainly would have made for a better race for the team. McLaren has mismanaged Oscar more than once now, and now they've also done the same to their 2nd-overall driver in the standings.
McLaren know they have a driver that in his first two seasons in F1 has done better than Lando in his first 2 seasons. And I’m not talking about having a championship contender car this year, but of the high level that Piastri showcases for a rookie basically. He out qualified Lando a few times and also finished higher in few races. And in the short history of those two together, every single time the one that got undercut was Piastri and I think him and his manager have drawn a line in the sand which McLaren can no longer ignore. But at least now McLaren will know that they need to play it fair for both of them, otherwise there will be a sit opening on both Mercedes and RBR which Piastri could easily fill.
@@andreichivu8892 Its highly possible Piastri could be Mclaren's true future. But Lando has been manufactured as the #1 for Mclaren so long that when this potential reality of Piastri sets in it will be an issue. The difference in maturity between Piastri and Lando (who is 6 years into F1) is staggering.
@@AyaxRo I too think that Piastri has a greater ceiling than Lando but it might be too late for McLaren to realize it if they keep on like this. And I’m sure also sure another factor will speed up an exit - Mark Webber, him too a former spirited driver, who would get Piastri out of McLaren in a heartbeat if a better sit comes up. Turns out ZB has a luxurious problem on his hands right now.
i can see why they pitted lando first tho, the constructors would also be in play this year, its better having two cars on the top of the podium then 1, but like others are saying it's definetely mclarens fault and i hope piastri's side of the garage pulls the rank of being first in the race and calls for pitting first, fck lando, basicly had a cry over radio and almost didnt give up possition for his team mate, who GAVE up position to enable lando to leapfrog a car in front of him. completely mclarens fault, but i still think this was piastri's race, regardless of who they pitted first, if they pitted piastri first his tyres would have warmed up quicker and not lost time during the pit, pitted lando first instead which means piastri is losing time on old tyres and gets undercut because of it.
This is just embarrassing, the team begging Lando trying to make him feel guilty for wanting to win. Beyond a joke, this is the pinnacle of motorsport. not a debate in the House of Commons
@@arkangelarkangel1302 This is a net positive for Oscar at the end of the day. Demonstrated once more what cool and collected individual he is and positively removed himself from the drama as much as possible but.... this whole fiasco certainly overshadows what would have been a fantastic first win. Its a somewhat hollow victory. Hopefully an undeniable one comes soon to wash this away.
i can see why they pitted lando first tho, the constructors would also be in play this year, its better having two cars on the top of the podium then 1, but like others are saying it's definetely mclarens fault and i hope piastri's side of the garage pulls the rank of being first in the race and calls for pitting first, fck lando, basicly had a cry over radio and almost didnt give up possition for his team mate, who GAVE up position to enable lando to leapfrog a car in front of him. completely mclarens fault, but i still think this was piastri's race, regardless of who they pitted first, if they pitted piastri first his tyres would have warmed up quicker and not lost time during the pit, pitted lando first instead which means piastri is losing time on old tyres and gets undercut because of it.
"The way to win a Championship is not by yourself" yeah but you need points and I am sure Piastri understands that Lando is fighting for the title and every point matters, especially SEVEN POINTS.
Love how they said you don't win a championship alone but as a team it would have been better if Norris finished 1st as that would have closed the gap to Verstappen even more.
@@simonnyman9031 Should have pulled a Vettel and take the win even against team pressure. This was plain disgusting by McLaren and their mistake shouldn't be taken out on Lando. Oscar was gifted this win and everyone will forever know it.
Still surprised how they communicated with Norris like buddy just say you messed up don’t try to make Lando feel like he is the one that made the decision and it’s because of him this is happening.
Cannot begin the portray the level of disgust I have for the leadership at McLaren right now. To put not only Lando but also Oscar in this scenario, to say "Hey fix this because we cannot admit we messed up priority in the pits" and the essentially emotionally manipulate Lando into giving up his second race win is truly unforgivable. If I were either driver I would only want to know why Oscar was not pitted first, the rest you already know, they clearly do not care who they hurt here and it seems have no concept of what can come from this. Would not be surprised if we saw Lewis-Nico style relationship in the future all sparking from this atrocity of a team F-up. Big props to Lando, don't agree with him giving the place back but there you go. Big props to Oscar for not over-celebrating it and being respectful of the way it happened. The right result, wrong method to get to it.
That's a bit OTT. McLaren's leadership have created a race winning car. They pitted Lando first to ensure that he was not undercut by Hamilton. Lando should have yielded back to Oscar straight away. The Lando could have raced to his hearts content. The only reason Oscar's win was had a bad vibe at all was because Lando came very close to selfishly taking the win unfairly.
The car is called McLaren, they buit a fast car and 50% of the drivers on the grid can win with it... Also they pay their drivers....employees, Imagine the mechanics deciding to put whatever tires they want on the car without following the team orders?
Distracting the driver because of the horrible strat call is actually insane. That lvl of chatter behind the wheel of a race car is just disgusting. Very unsafe
@@Joe_c21 Landos first win, he was overjoyed and you can hear it. You could see the excitement from all the hard work. Very stark contrast to Oscars win.
@@beastvali9208 agree with you 100% the reactions are very different. However, are you saying Oscar didn’t put in the hard work and is not deserving? I believe the team’s decisions created this mess and why Oscar’s response was so subdued. Bitter sweet..
Looks like even Lando didn't know he was to swap when they called him to box. They called him in saying undercutting lewis. There was no mention of oscar or position swap until they realised after pitting oscar he wouldn't come ahead of Lando. That's when the blackmail started, when he was already 3.5s ahead.
When Oscar was out front before the pit stops they told Lando his race wasn’t with Oscar. He was racing max and Lewis. Then they pitted lando first to cover Lewis to try and keep the one two. They kept telling Oscar don’t worry about lando because their plan was to switch them back. But lando took off lol.
@@lordofvenom4482 yeah I watched it live but on the broadcast you don't get to hear everything. Was want to hear how the plan was put to Oscar and what he was saying after his stop. The team also updated Lando to say he could fight the Papaya car when he was getting closer before the stops. He could have fought the right way and gave up the place and had 20ish laps to prove he should be winning but team made the decision it was Oscar's day but didn't communicate that at all well. Which again is why I'd love hear Oscar's side too.
Wasnt Lando increasing the gap to Oscar lap by lap? Look at the timing screen and you will see the gap gp from 2.9 to 5 plus seconds. Means he was faster on old tires. What a strange decision by the team.
Lando was pushing hard to create a gap, meanwhile Oscar was managing the tires to last till the end, both had to manage but Lando decided to show why they shouldn't revert positions.
@@BenChod416 bro he only backed off on the 68th lap. He wasn't pushing too hard also. How is it that Lando on old tyres could create a 6s gap without any tyre issues. He wasn't slipping around, no overheating, nothing. It was very comfortable with the pace and the tyre management. If you hear the radio from lap 5 lando was told to slow down in almost every corner on each lap which lowered his pace. The pitwall also has engine control to reduce car performance FYI. Later on he closed a 5s gap to 1.5s with oscar which is why they called him to box so he would never have the chance to fight oscar on track. They were very clear that Lando couldn't race against oscar, only oscar could race against lando. On lap 45 they point blank told Lando to not fight oscar and their focus was lewis and max. Oscar was just doing his normal mediocre tyre management while Lando was forced to hold back his pace for most part of the race. Finally due to the undercut he got the lead and as per instructions from morning he got the lead by not "racing" oscar so he unleashed his full pace to make a 6s gap thinking at least he could win now. But the team still insisted on the swap even after the huge gap 😂 Also, one of the mechanics tweeted that it was already a pre planned win for oscar
Why wouldn't Maclaren want Lando to take the win and gain the points? He's the closest to Max!! It makes no sense unless it's a forecast for the constructors championship
I believe McLaren doesn’t want their drivers to race each other wheel to wheel especially for when its 1 and 2 points. This strategy was to keep them at a safe distance from each other. Without telling their drivers that they are really not allowed to be competitive with each other. If Lando gave the position earlier and started to put pressure on Oscar then the engineers would have been telling both drivers to save tires to keep them from racing each other
The way to win a drivers championship is to gather as much championship points as possible for one driver in the team, the end of the season will dictate such team tactics...
For all those saying that Oscar desearved the win, I didnt know that F1 race winners are decided on the opening lap and first stint. Come on, racing is from first to last lap. Lando had much better race pace than Oskar + Oskar made 3 big mistakes while leading the race... Also he should know his place in the team. He is 2nd driver and thats it.
Oscar pits first, Lando pits and the battle was on. Lando would probably have found a way past. If Max crashed with Lewis and was out of the race, I would have let Lando win.
if oscar couldnt catch up then why should lando give it up. ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. lando is too nice of a guy - taken advantage off. they messed up last race now they messed up again - feel gutted for lando.
@@amfohr Yes I know - exactly they messed up. but on the radio they kept telling Lando to slow down because of tire wear. oscar could not catch Lando -- it is a race isnt it? I mean if oscar was 1 to 2 sec behind than sure let him through -- but from what I saw it was 3 to 4 and even 5 seconds behind. anyway. I am aware they pitted Lando first -- they should have just pitted Oscar -- that is what they messed up.
so what? do you rememer 2021? 2012? 2010? 2008? 2007? and many more where 1,2 points would have made a difference? tired of dts fans talking around when u been watching for 2 years thinking you know it all
@@andrewgriffith7742 Okay? Why does lando have the pay the price for it then? “Oh it’s for the team lando”. Bs. They are there to race and win, not to go out for a Sunday drive. Neither Lando nor Oscar is at fault, but Lando shouldn’t have to deal with the repercussions of the teams poor strategy.
@@SB0418 Are we living in a world where there's no ethics? Maybe in your country. Poor you. The team made Lando undercut Oscar because they have the sense of belief that Lando would at least respect the team and his team mate that he'll switch the position back which by the way Lando AGREED to do. But of course, he like a spoiled brat he is, he didn't want to give it back anymore. What a man of honour he is.
Lando is the #1 driver and should be respected as such! Has been with the team since it was in shambles. Years of development and watching others win for your not to respect your decision as a driver and professional. Instead placing a rookie which lost his pace clearly in the second half of the race. For me this a a team breaker I’ll be furious
I would justify the switch if oscar could close up the gap. With this much pace difference on the final stint, Lando genuinely could bag the win even if he was pitted later.
Its pretty std for the leading car to have pit priority each car should have its own pit bay and crew so drivers can go at it. Team orders should not be allowed in any sport you can bet on.
@@GlassTecRacing The video is not available in this form on f1tv. After the event, I recorded the last 20 laps of Norris and cut this video together. I do the same for all my other videos, I make the content from a larger material, which I then upload here.
@@GlassTecRacing Something like that, I don't record it live, I play it back after the event and record it then. it is not available in this form, but the whole is.
Yeah, McLaren dropped the ball - but if Lando had have complied when he was first asked to swap positions, he would have had plenty of laps to attack Piastri and retake the position.
Agree completely, he should have given the lead to his team mate right away and then battled back to the lead. But no denying the team messed up big time.
Will you honestly do that if put in his position? He has been trying so hard the past races to win a race and always falling just a tad bit short. Then all of a sudden he is put in this position. Sure the team say there will be plenty other opportunities, but not a lot of times are like this one, where Max is having a really bad race and Lando has the best chance to capitalize.
There's literally no reason to do that if Lando's already up in the race. Idk why you would ask a driver to slow down for someone else unless if there was going to be a penalty involved.
@@Sam-Icy Well because the ONLY reason why Lando was first is because they have given him an unfair pit stop advantage which shouldn't be because Oscar was the front driver. I mean we would understand if Lando overtook Oscar on the track fair and square but he DIDN'T. You guys are okay that the team will gift Lando the win but not okay with gifting the win to Oscar who was the rightful winner? That's why Lando fans have a bad reputation for not thinking straight even voting him DOTD even though he didn't deserve it.
“Just remember every single Sunday morning meeting we’ve had” “I know you’ll do the right thing” Honesty who wouldn’t be furious. Team orders ok ya one thing but what are we playing at telling me these types of things as I’m actively in a race. Last thing I’d want is psychological chess while managing an F1 race.
“The way to win a championship is not by yourself, it’s with the team, you are going to need Oscar, and you’re going to need the team .. PLEASE DO IT NOW !” … than Lando did what was asked for ..LOL sound like a threat to me 😂🤣. Anyway Oscar deserves the win
If they continue as is, and Norris wins every race and it is going to come down to 7 points or less not winning the championship over Max, then I hope they remember: they did it to themselves. Sometimes you gain a positon during the pitstops, outlap, inlap, blabla, doesn't matter...they did not give the position to Norris as a present, it was gaind by a bit better strategy calls, that's how it works sometimes. Now they gave the "win" to Oscar and who knows, maybe took the championship from Norris at the end. Yes, he will then remember the "you do not win a championship by yourself, you need oscar, you need the team".....uh huh, in this case....the team may have very well taken the championship from him...
@@prajwas2004 that would be ridiculous. vettel disobeyed team orders and still found two other teams. getting fired for being too fast and wanting to win too much by a team? i dont think hed have any trouble trying to find another team to take advantage of his talent
The final 15-20 laps of this race was an embarrassment to the sport. Lando pulling away from his teammate gets guilt tripped into letting someone else win the race.
Oscar made 3 errors in race. Lando just showed how much faster he is than oscar. How Lando has come out as the villain in this situation is crazy. He's 2nd in the championship catching max. Oscar owes him big time.
That doesn’t matter… Lando lost it at the start, and when he got back behind Piastri he couldn’t pass. He should have gave up the position way earlier and maybe he’d have had a better shot.
Kid Lando couldnt take a lead in turn 1 trying to cover off other cars 😂😂 And lost it there itself by dropping backward Oscar deserved the pitstop first but Mclaren failed it and made Lando pit
@@thandosocikwaPiastri folded under pressure in the final stint but was faster all race. I see your point. But Lando more than likely would have caught him without the undercut
If Norris was smart, he would have let Piastri through immediately after the stops when it was safe to do so and then just race for the victory. He didn't need to behave so childish
I feel McLaren owed this win to Piastri as every time he's had a chance to win they've thrown him under the bus strategy wise to help Lando, more than once. Upon witnessing the tantrum Lando threw & retired the car after the collision with Max in Austria I lost all respect for him, as that car was still driveable, & he could have still bagged a few points after a box for new tyres. In so many years of following F1, Indycar & Supercars I've NEVER witnessed a driver retire a driveable car in the way he did, disgraceful.....
Regardless, I think Lando has just burnt any future opportunities for getting preferential strategy. What a colossal FU from team - completely unnecessary.
I’m not sure the point of “do it for the team” when it would be a McLaren 1-2 anyhow.. point is that it’s clear as day now they do not see Lando as the future favoring Oscar today. The team looks unprofessional now they have pleaded with Lando over who they wanted to win. If I’m Oscar I don’t feel any semblance of victory nor do I gain respect from my managers here. They’ve made complete fools of themselves.
As a driver myself, i give Lando credit. That said, my F1TV sub expired yesterday... not renewing after these shady actions. The best driver/car of the day bullied into 2nd place from first. A shame..
So have McLaren decided Piastri would be their No 1 driver? He barged through at the start and the undercut notwithstanding he couldn't keep up with Lando who fought for an exceptional pole over everyone else, who took it cautiously in the face of his bulldozing teammate and who deservedly paced himself through the race and into the lead. Unprofessional leaders running the McLaren team.
