"what is the role of explicit study of language? It helps you notice the features in the input" YEEESSS. that has been my experience. When I have lessons in grammar & then later can hear it in my input sessions it's WAY more powerful than just hearing something & trying to make a mental note to myself
I own an English training center in China that preps students to live and study in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Australia. We have been very successful in placing students in top 2% of world universities. Our average SAT student scores 1530 and our average TOEFL student will score 112. Input is essential, but it must be coupled with vocab learning, speaking and any and all exposure to the language. Krashen would agree. Input obviously isn't enough.
@@David-b4l Get Shawn Patel's materials. I've used it as a big part of our curriculum. Our average Chinese student here in Henan will achieve a score of 1530. This is my recommendation.
I’ve been experimenting on myself with comprehensible input alone to learn French (false beginner, 4 months in). I concluded that it’s possible to infer a good deal of grammar rules through CI, but there’re certain rules that I am vaguely aware of, but just can’t figure it out clearly. It’d be way more EFFECTIVE if I had explicitly learned grammar on these. I guess a good mind model is to regard grammar as a cheat sheet, it’s not worth lots of your time but it’s definitely helpful (sometimes even crucial if you got blocked) to take a peek
Grammar for me is about closing a circle. With lots of input you are somewhere between most the way there or mist the way there but the conscious rule with examples closes the circle, leading to effective acquisition which is strengthened by further exposure.
@@cpnlsn88 Well said! My analog is putting together the last pieces of puzzle. Through exposure the picture is mostly clear, but I am definitely not satisfied with a couple holes in it.
I really enjoyed this interview for the atmosphere of respect and honest curiosity and Dr. Newton's explanation of linguistic concepts. I learned a lot as a language learner as well as a kindergarten teacher. Thank you very much.
As an intermediate language learner, I completely agree that vocabulary is the sticking point preventing me from wanting to engage in more speaking practice. I dig the guest's point that you have to practice what you want to be good at, but I have no interest in having more superficial conversations, or constantly interrupting the conversation with ("How to you say X in language Y ??"). My biggest difficulty when speaking is trying to actively recall, in conversations, the 70% of vocabulary that I already know (i.e. have encountered and can recognize), but don't occur frequently enough in conversations, that it's "available for output". Do folks have ideas as to how, given Zipf's Law wrt language, how to structure a 1:1 speaking activity with a tutor in a way that boosts/forces the usage of the 'lower' frequency words while tamping down the temptation to crutch with 'high' frequency words ...?
In graduate school in mathematics, I picked up a 500 page advanced mathematics text and was able to read it without having studied French. I sometimes needed to look up a two-letter word in my pocket French dictionary. I was exposed to INTERESTING, COMPREHENSIBLE INPUT. I could not ask "where is a bathroom".
I have met Newton at conference in Malaysia. I found him a most unpleasant person. He deals mostly with very advanced learners of English and doesn't know very much about dealing with EFL beginners OK, he might have done it at the beginning of his career for a bit in China. Look to the latest versions of grammar in formal linguistics--THERE ARE NO RULES.
11:20 Ah oui, ce fameux désaccord sur l’apprentissage des langues parmi les scientifiques c’est vraiment ennuyant…🙃 Ce n'est pas pour être importun, mais je me demandais si un jour tu pourrais converser avec quelqu'un d'entre eux, ce serait cool… Those are rather pro Krashen’s approach guys. Joel from jan Telakoman, Elise from Hyperpolyglotting with Élise, James from Future Multilingual, Vladimir from Virtually Native, just to name a few… Merci et bonne continuation...
There’re plenty of AI summary tools out there. Just wanna point out: reading TLDR only is just a waste of time, why bother if ya gonna forget anyway. The only effective way of using TLDR, is to sit through the whole learning process and spend the time writing up a TLDR afterwards for yourself. This is essential the Feynman method. The false assumption that one can “learn” by reading condensed gist of information is harmful. It’s the junk food of this “infobesity” era. We can only process that information, but we can’t learn from it.
@@vincentcheung1876 God save society from the Twitter plague :chuckles: The lack of ability to focus and persist will eventually drag us back down to an agrarian level as the expert skills required to maintain technological civilisation will be lost.
@@loistalagrand Sometimes it's like your guest is talking about some points for the first time in his life and his is rambling instead of presentation a clear vision.
