@LAPoliceGear , Level III Ceramic, Torture Test! 

Thank you as well! I think for very little additional cost they could perform even better to. I can't imagine a foam on the front and back would cost very much.

But to think that ceramic is only .125" thick vs this .320" :D RMA has said that built the 1092 to RF1/2 specs, and it does very well at that. The RMA is going to shot way less back face on threats. Maybe they're come out with an RF2+ plate :D

Yeah. I know Militech is working on a revised plates with more ceramic to the edge. Still not 100% but more than what we've seen. These are not Mtech plates, but I'd imagine other competitors over there following suit.

Now they have monolithic edge to edge plates in stock!! Standard Edge to edge with ceramic tiles like in the video are in stock too. Level 4 Monolithic: 420$ for a pair (including express shipping) Standard edge to edge level 4: 270$ (including express shipping)

My pleasure. These are one of my favorite vidoes to make :D

Indeed. Not sure why I barely earn 500 subs a month. Is it RU-vid? or is today's internet video consumer just want memes and destruction?

@@BuffRANGE RU-vid is against awesomeness like us they just cant handle it

He pretty much never stops talking :D

@@BuffRANGE 😂 I personally love it that the family is out there with you, special memories brother!

@@AlphaRomeoOneFive someday he'll be able to help more

I’d add it to both the front and back. CATI armor makes high density foam trauma pads they’ll help in the event of backface and if you happen to fall on them too

@@BuffRANGE Thank you very much man. 💪🏼

Then you can carry more ammo/gear. Even got a 10% code if needed "Buffman"

Totally worth it the weight savings is crazy especially if you are used to wearing the steel plate

Right now that stuff would fetch a premium because of demand and lack of supply. I need 5.7 for testing but can’t get any :( Ss198LF is faster but ss192 wouldn’t have LF primers so it will last longer. I’d be curious how it perform speed wise. Oldest 5.7 commercial ammo I’ve tested is 2005. I don’t get it either. I’m working on trying to be a little more loose in my personality while still providing data.

How do I get you some ammo? And you be you! I like how there is no BS, and straight to the science you do. I will say it would be cool to see all of your cool collector rounds hitting hitting a car on your range... just saying

If you do FB or IG you can send me a DM or on the about page for RU-vid there’s an email for contact :)

Copy that my wife and I have IG she will contact you from @lisajeanallout in a couple days when she returns from her trip. Stay SAFE!

@@BuffRANGE Your content and personality are on point. What separates you from the big number tactical channels like daddy flannel and old green beret Karl is 1) your content is niche. Only the most invested of us are into armor/ballistics testing and 2) Your videos are light on post production effects/editing. You are far more thorough than The Wound Channel and that other fat guy... I forget his name. My best advice? Jazz up the post production effects/editing. Or branch out past armor/ballistics testing. As far as I’m concerned you’re right on the money.

SS190 and SS198 both have an aluminum core. The 198 has a hollow tip, but SS190 has a steel penetrator roughly the same size/shape/config as SS109/M855. I believe that load used TAC in excess of 26gr.

@@BuffRANGE thank you

Yes indeed especially for the $$

Important to note that TSG Level 3+ is only tested up to 2,900 fps for M193. M193 out of a 16" barrel will generally be over 3,000 fps

@@TheMattMoy You are correct about the plus rating on my armor and the speed of M193 out of a 16" barrel. But by-and-large 16" barrels have been out of fashion/favor for quite some time now. The longest that the trend setters(Garand Thumb, Lucas, ect...) are wanting to go these days is 14.5" and prefer to stay around 11.5". My armor will stop M193 out of an 11.5" point blank range. How am I so confident in my budget armor? I shot it with M855A1 - yeah buddy, the good stuff - at point blank out of a 10.5". Not only did it stop it, it stopped it clean with no BFD. If I was really worried that I am going to face special threats I would get some NIJ LvL 4 ceramic plates with polylithic construction that pushed the ceramic all the way out to the edge. You got to watch out, those budget/chinese LvL 4 armor tried some tricky stuff that can leave you vulnerable. Such as stopping the ceramic coverage an inch from the edge and constructing the armor with a monolithic ceramic tile thats' multihit capability is a matter of good luck over good construction. Anyways, I hear you but I'm not sweating it. That 3+ TSG plate has done a good job on threats that it's not rated for so far.

That would be intersting. years ago I think I tested the PE behind the Armour wear level IV and it didn't stop shit (that company was a shit show: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hqsvSsh8k4g.html). I agree that is would be an interesting test. M855 likely will be the issue.

@@BuffRANGE Damn, I guess I have to spring for RMA III+ plates and just sell these when things get crazy and they are no longer available. I am a bit embarrassed for not looking closely enough at Mike's video to notice this issue. Again, thanks a lot.

I got my second plate in today, got front and back plates and I’m super happy with my purchase. Mr guns and gear sold me on these exact plates once he tested em

Their a steal if you ask me, compared to others

Vic, I did not measure it. Let me go and do that just for verification. The strike face coverage is kind of one of those gray areas. Consumer wants "light plate". Manufacturer can make lighter plate by not putting ceramic all the way to the edge, knowing that NIJ allows the min edge shot distance of 1.5". I need to read on why the NIJ doesn't having any testing for edge shots, other than maybe they know the bullet at that distance to the edge can still cause the bullet to come out at a weird angle and penetrate into the body? Most if not all US manufacturers are using a full ceramic strike face. Where they then save weight is going to less backing material. Say the Shot Stop III+ GT. Stops M855A1 because of thicker ceramic, (Can't stop M80A1), but is only an SRT plate, because it can't take 6 shots of M80 ball.

@@BuffRANGE I am bummed that they are really 7.8"x 9.8" plates when I didn't know they would be. I didn't see your notice of the up coming video until after I ordered them. I still think they are worth the price but not the deal I thought they were before. I don't think Mike (MrGnG) mentioned the edges and you couldn't see from the views of his plate. We'll I'll up my Patreon contribution and more often wait for your reviews in the future.

:D That's a major concern for people. RMA took heat from doing the reduced strike face on the 1189 and 1199 early on, and that's why the Gen 2's they offer now are full strike face. They did amend their website listing when they still offered the Gen 1 to include the fact that the strike face was reduced size, which is the transparency I strive more armor sellers to have. Same with country of origin. If you're using imported materials, or plates from another country, I don't have issue with that, as armor is a very set formula right now. if you're a reputable company and due your QA due diligence then, it's a global market these days.

I measured mine. about 1.1" thick :D

I should test a newer lot, but it seems all the stuff I have, 3050 is 16" and even adding 6" of barrel, I barrel to 3100 fps.

If you want full strike face and light, Botachs Level IV. If you want full strike face NIJ Cert'd RMA's 1155. Militech is upgrading models at some point with more ceramic to the edge, but still will be reduced.

@@BuffRANGE do you know if Militech's SAPI cut plates have the reduced strike face? They cost more than the regular ones.

@@Nathan-jh1ho I believe those are ultra light weight PE SAPI sized plates you are referring? Those are full coverage plates since they were UHMWPE designed. We are working on Multi curved SAPI plates plus the standard 10x12 inch size with increased coverage area. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Thank you

@@militech6763 when would lv4 increased coverage pates become available, and how would I distinguish them from the older ones? Thank you.

@@Nathan-jh1ho We currently have a few kinds of level IV plates available in stock. The Multi Curve SIC plate is almost full coverage out of 10x12 size. (Weighted same as the 8x10 coverage Alumina panels and included link below for your reference www.aliexpress.com/item/32301919925.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.3.6f62407eM86jWN. I would personally suggest you consider this plate since it is ergonomically designed with max ceramic coverage available) For the Alumina version, we have ESAPI sized plates available with increased size and coverage area.

Level 4 has to be able to stop 7.62×63 M2 Ap though, which this might have a hard time doing.

@@jeremiahkoontz4187 Yes, I know..But that M80A1 is darn close to the same performance..

Thanks! They kindly issued me a new one "Buffman10" :D

like bare chest and sledge hammer? Or the armor in-between you and the sledgehammer?

There can be. The ceramic does a good job breaking up bullets, but that ceramic can "spall"/frag a bit. Sometimes you might see in my videos how the rubber on the table is getting torn up.

“Buffman” 10% off :)

It’s because the ceramic is very thick and likely MrGNG’s surplus 30-06 M2AP tops out at 2600-2700 FPS. The NIJ calls for 2880 FPS and would likely stop the bullet but backface would be extreme.

I would. The PE backer seems to allow more backface signature then some other plates. But with as cheap as say the Botach IIIA panels are, it's pretty cheap to add it.

Keep the page up and check constantly. I've picked up 2 sets 3 days apart. They'll have a few up like 4 or 10 at a time.

They’re up now and have been for a little while, couple thousand of the 3 and the lvl 4’s last time I checked!

Each plate is unique in it's rating. Currently the NIJ Level III rating is actually ONLY M80 ball. The New RF1 and 2 standards now also include 5.56. .308 is technically a higher threat than 5.56. It carries much heavier projectiles at speeds just as fast as 5.56

@@BuffRANGE well i know 308 is a more powerful round but the speed and how small the 556 is is what makes it a higher rating on plates

@@bigsean2473 it all depends on the plate. When talking about steel plates, speed in smaller diameter is the killer. in Poly (UHWMPE) plates, bullet construction (specifically a hardened core) is the killer. With ceramic plates you typically need speed and core construction. Level IV plates for instance will stop M995 AP, but generally have troubles with M993 AP

No, it is not