Kevin's customer service is phenomenal. I work the overnight shift at the PD and sent him an email at 0100hrs about pump questions for my new 2025R that I'd recently ordered and bam, I got a near instant very thorough email back from him on recommendations and statistics. Amazing customer service. I'll definitely be buying the Stage 3 kit when my tractor comes in.
Hi Tim, Increasing the capacity is a neat concept. My biggest concern is the longevity of the tractor. Buying a modified tractor with some of these upgrades, such as larger cylinders, would make me nervous. On the other hand, increasing the pump capacity, however is a great idea. I actually think these tractors should have been designed with more pump flow right from the factory.
Used it again yesterday. Had forgotten about the upgrade. Got into a stump and it ripped it out effortlessly. I was shocked….wasn’t until I got home that I remembered the upgrade.
Thanks Tim! I was waiting for in in depth video concerning Hydrosplus's new cylinders! They look Great when paired with the new pump. It is also nice to see a face, to the very smart voice. I also like how both You, and Kevin stand with your customers. It is nice to know that if I break, " Big Sexy", ( 2020 1025r), there is parts to make it better. Love your channel, and I'm looking forward to getting the" weight gauge "
My l525 loader has tiny cylinders for the the size of the loader it’s very smooth and I love the way the valve is made to do two functions at once without any issues, I just think the lift capacity is 10-15% under what I’d like and it’s too fast; I’d often wondered about bigger cylinders. I wasn’t thrilled about “shimming” to build pump pressure. I like Kevin’s approach for a lot of reasons. Don’t let the orange allergy keep ya away! They need a little help too.
Nice upgrades for the loader and backhoe! I installed larger curl cylinders on my loader which made a big difference, I did loose some curl and dump speed though. I hope to put a larger pump on one day to increase the speed.
Great content. Hydro plus too. I love Hydraulics and showing just .25 of a cylinder and small amount of flow can change work. For the one that are worried about the issues.... don't do it!!!! Others like myself like the idea of a replacement cylinder when i need one and can upgrade!! !!! I love aftermarket that's how new stuff is developed..
My neighbors son, who can tear up an anvil with a rubber mallet, broke the load arm off of his skid steer about 8" up from the pivot point. I have no idea what he was doing. So he brought it over and I got it all aligned back up and welded it. It took about a dozen or so rod to build up all of the grinding I did but it was welded. Then he got stuck in mud up above the tracks and was trying to pull himself out with the bucket and ripped it off from the back side. Since it's made for lifting more than pulling it was weaker on the back side. So I ground off more as now it was bent and got it all aligned back up and welded it again. Then I heated up a large truck leaf spring in my forge and formed it to wrap around the whole thing. He hasn't been back. But this proves that even with the supplied hydraulics you can tear up your equipment.
I'm already adding the new pump to my wish list. That was amazing to see how fast the backhoe was moving at an idle. I'm thinking another area to watch for added stress or breakage could be those outriggers on the backhoe since you'd be able to pull harder while curling and maybe potentially bend something while its all planted firmly in the ground and the whole tractor wants to heave backwards. Tim is definitely on the bleeding edge of trying out new products and stress testing them so we don't have to and to see what works or fails.
One more comment, the issue of not enough hydraulic flow is not limited to compact tractors. One the farm I used to work at, we had a John Deere 8520 tractor, and it was running out of hydraulic flow when connected to a John Deere 24 row planter. The next year we upgraded to a 9000 series tractor to overcome this issue.
It would be nice if there were options like this for the Kubota BX series. I've not seen anything like this so far. I know upgrading the pump on a BX would be extremely difficult to develop and most likely unfeasible given how they are designed. But cylinders I don't see why not.
Kevin I have a Kubota b7800 bought a brand new in 2002 got 170 hours on it,what can we do to upgrade the cylinders for higher lift capacity (and the more reach)?
I have a 2038R with a non-self leveling loader. Now, I'm sure there are scenarios where I could run out of lift, but I have scooped up a FULL bucket of pea gravel and carried it away with no issues, no hesitation, nothing. On the other hand, that curl cylinder on the 270B has me very, very interested. I ordered a 12" bucket, and I am having all kinds of fun digging up stumps, but it does run out of oomph when I need it most. Concerns: As I'm sure you know, the backhoe moves the whole tractor around when it is really working, and the leveling legs kinda take a lot of abuse. Due to rank stupidity on my part, I get to replace those arms at some point (tried to extend them with pins in) A thousand dollar mistake. They seem to be the weak point to me. What do you think? Will the extra pull damage them? And by the way, thanks. Your video comparing the 1025R and the 2038R was key in my decision making process.
@@TractorTimewithTim Ah. I either didn't hear the "mechanically" part or it wasn't mentioned. You'd think a hydraulic self-leveling system would be not all that difficult. And it could be enabled/disabled as needed.
your putting stresses on tires,rims etc as long as it’s not past your comfort levels to. make sure your tires are properly inflated so your not riding on the rim cutting the tire. best to go load your bucket as full of weight n play around
@@TractorTimewithTim cool the only reason I want to upgrade is I have a Lincoln 225 welder and I probably lack about 200 lbs of lift maybe less to pick it up and load it in trailer . Do I need to up grade pump too ? That’s literally the only thing I need to lift passed it’s capacity and I use the bucket with a hook I have on there
Going from a 1.5" cylinder to a 2" cylinder is almost double the lifting force. A better, safer choice would be a 1.75" cylinder, that would yield a 50% increase in lift force with significantly less of a speed penalty.
How would you do that exactly? Keep in mind, these loaders are "MSL". That means "Mechanical" self leveling. Meaning it's the linkage that keeps the bucket level. There is no way to disable that. There are other style loaders which are "HSL" meaning "Hydraulic" self leveling. On those the operator can turn the leveling feature on and off.
I would be very hesitant to do this, with out a lot of structural analysis. The systems you are playing with are designed by some highly trained and experienced engineers to use the miminmum amount of materials to meet the design standard, plus a safety factor. As you apply the “little more stress” you are utilizing the safety factor. I’d be very hesitant at doing that.
Tractor is rated at a certain level of capability going stronger than it can handle will break the tractor to point of damage cost more than value. I would never buy a piece of equipment you have ever owned . Hear yourself the standard equipment manufacturer puts on them is maximum for modle
My blue tractors have served me well over the last 30 years, I have many times thought of what it would be like to own green ones & when I see all the extra parts & better parts you have to add to bring them up to where 30 year old blue's are well ???. why don't Deer put the best pump or largest ram possible on it to start with?. My 42 horse (only 4 more than the 2038) has 3.5 inch rams.
Tim, a 2R has a full STEEL frame, Engine to rock shaft ,a 3E has a CAST IRON connecting center section to the rear hydro ( like a 50's Deere old school, but hydro). While they may have similar size, the 3E has bigger tires and ground clearance too. Its built at much less cost than a 2R, but does the job.
My 2R has a cast iron center section and when I clip the pant using it I can see green paint under the black from deer repainting the 3e chassis black for the 2R. It is a 3e with smaller tires.
It is refreshing to see a small business succeed by satisfying needs in the market place and providing excellent customer service. A winning combination. Wishing Kevin well, and continue success. Blessings.
Actually all the tests you did with the new cylinders was good it proves the cylinders really improved it especially with the back hole having the wrong bucket and it still works
I’m interested in the 24” bucket used in this video… Is this a JD part or aftermarket? Does anyone have a part number or place to purchase? Thanks in advance…
I have a Kubota 23d, it definitely needs improved performance. But, even with upgrades, I can't see it performing as good as the current stock tractors. So I will just install an add a grapple and 3rd function. Great video.
cylinders for my 1025r are pretty close to the top of the wishlist ........ the stage 3 kit has been a real game changer and i am really looking forward to getting the new cylinders
Years ago, I did this kind of upgrade on my old Yanmar. They worked great, however they identified the next weak link in the chain. I ended up rebuilding my loader to accommodate the additional lift. I made bigger jumps in the rams that you did.
I found increasing the flow w/ pump And strength with new larger cylinders is a great option to do. I would really like to see such options for the Kubota LX series tractors (spec. LX-2610) and the BH-77 Backhoe. Thanks!
Are there rams available for the Kubota LA525 or LA526 loaders? Or something that will work? I’ve increased hydraulic pressure and made a big difference but would rather have bigger rams vs higher pressures.
I’m quite intrigued. But, What kind of affect will these types of upgrades do to the balance of factory warranty. You were more clear when you stopped just short of putting nitrous oxide on the “extreme”. Stating your warranty was out the window.
Don’t view ‘warranty’ as all or nothing. If you upgrade your loader cylinders and break the loader boom, no warranty. Your loader cylinders will not impact some unrelated breakage.
If the bucket is the week point than that is vary good news! One can tear up a bucket and easily take it off and weld it and just put on a different one to finish the job.
At least 80 percent of the market is held between Kubota and Deere. Also, folks who chose to save a few bucks when buying by choosing off brands typically are not willing to purchase accessories and upgrades. So, no, there is not sufficient demand. I do not mean to be offensive. Just stating the facts.
I Got to work with Tim and he’s a very cool guy! Thank you Tim for the experience and knowledge you shared! It was a pleasure meeting you and working with you! I hope we get to work with each other soon.
