Honestly I think Last Epoch is a great example of what I call "Depth through simplicity." The game has really great build variety because the systems surrounding your character are simple and easy to understand. Affixes and ability scaling are simple and clearly explained. There's nothing like "deal 5% more damage to a stunned enemy, but only if it's a lunar eclipse on Friday the 13th during a year ending in an even number." If a skill has the scaling tags int, fire, spell, AoE, those are the stats I'm looking for. Grim Dawn is my favorite ARPG out there, for a multitude of reasons. PoE is a close second, but I honestly sometimes get a little burnt out on all the brain power it takes to put a build together. Sometimes I just want to turn my brain off, kill things, and get better loot, and I want to do it in new and interesting ways. Last Epoch fills that niche where most things are simple enough that they just work.
Yeah, I'm a relatively casual player (though for sure have put hundreds of hours into various ARPGs and almost souly play Hardcore after getting my bearings in them) but love the fact it feels I can just make a build work. Especially after a little tweaking. I just started a few days ago and really loving it (just started monoliths).
I think the circle of fortune is something I would love from POE. It doesn't disable party play, but simply replaces the auction house/trading with more opportunities to get the gear you want on your own. Last 2 leagues I've played SSF and I love so much about it more than I do trade, but wish there were some alternatives to replace trading, rather than SSF being only a handicap.
issue with PoE is not that it's a lot more complex. I love what you described for end game and complexity at the top level definitely appeals to many people I think. PoE has the issue that it is complex out of the gate, and also just punishes people for not having played for the last 10 years. I love ARPGs. I hear praises of PoE all over. I have attempted to give it a fair try many times. It is just like Yu Gi Oh!. The introduction is so painful you get disillusioned really fast before you can even see what is fun about the game
sushi, i am so impressed in the jump of quality (audio and just in general), i just watch you occasionally and i had to check twice if this is the same dude i had in mind but it really is, keep up the great work
i think for 1.0 this is probably the best ARPG at that version of the game. its now on them to keep expanding and fix some small issues to then compete with likes of PoE and PoE2 which well its a bit unfair to compare to cause they both have 10+ years of experience in their development(and we havnt seen how big poe2's endgame will be on launch yet) LE has a great foundation though so you can only hope the success money wise helps them keep building.
POE 2 has 100 unique bosses in the campaign already the endgame will be much better to start but the have Poe to piggyback off of also. LE is amazing though
@@MrShadowRaiden Since you have POE as a baseline i am pretty sure you can estimate how good 2 will be since GGG is doing great and the game ppl have played already and we can play in 2 months is already constantly talked about and enjoyed
but you cant base it on poe1 cause they are changing so much. thats the thing when you look at poe2 its some drastic shifts which could lead to a very mixed game.
1000% is a pretty bold claim. Easier does not mean better. The fun in SSF PoE is in the mastery of its complex mechanics. There are no gifts in PoE, only hard-fought victories, and that is a very satisfying experience
@@dirtydard4870 I’m talking about your ability to craft and target-farm gear in LE. PoE is a gambling simulator and overall has objectively the worst SSF experience. The game has always been tailored around trading. Btw, there are some difficult boss fights I. Last Epoch, like Julra T4. I would argue LE has overall better designed bosses with more interesting mechanics with good visual clarity.
Depends on perspective. I like poe ssf because item drops are very exciting. If you get just the right item, your entire gameplay can feel so much better. In last epoch, those items drop like candy, and there are heaps of alternatives or other ways to get the build going. So the excitement for individual items is nowhere near as much. Even the best 4LP unique doesn't come close to a mageblood, it might be rarer but it doesn't have that same excitement factor because all you're gaining is some stats. It doesn't change gameplay enough. The flip side is that in PoE if you hyper focus on a single item, you can burn out. It may never drop. PoE has extremely large variance for item drops. Last epoch makes it very easy to drop what you want as there are deterministic ways to focus all item types both unique and exalted.
idk have only done two valdos, didn't like the idea of them and they ruined the economy of a lot of items too. They are way too common and boring to do. (except void ones are cool but too easy to make immortal builds)
Crafting in poe is t crafting, it’s more comparable to gambling on a slot machine, it’s the worst crafting system in any aRPG, to the point where most people just craft the most deterministic items you can make and that’s just bad design when everyone is just either crafting the same things or just mirroring other peoples items.
"everyone is just mirroring other peoples items" Are you deliberately saying stupid things? Is this trolling? everyone? just mirroring? This is a super endgame opportunity for the 0.001% of players. Poe has the best crafting system. Poe has both deterministic crafting (bench crafts) and random crafting (for items above average strength). And even these random crafts are to some extent controlled by an experienced player. Simple deterministic crafting is boring. He doesn't give emotions. Just like deterministic loot. The game should have a balance of random and guaranteed. Poe does this very well.
@@user-xy1ru4zy2t lol the .001% of players mirroring items? Are you trolling? Last league, where there wasn’t wisp farming belton, a non tft mirror service guy, had made over 450 mirror services for his bow. Captainlance, another non tft mirror service guy, had made over 100 mirrored copies of both his shield and helm each for his trickster. This doesn’t even come close to how many people used the mirrored wand for str stackers and the int stackers. You are living under a rock if you don’t know at least 10% of the top avg players are using at least one mirrored item. And literally in my first couple sentences I talked about people doing the same deterministic crafting. So basically everyone is using the same rares, the same fractured bases as everyone else that uses essence until they hit the second mod then go to meta crafting til the item is dumb. Outside of those two things everything else in poe is a slot machine slog fest of crafting. You use thousands of alts and hope for a decent regal, or spend count prefix/suffix can’t be changed and hope for the slam or harvest roll, ladi dadi da. It’s so bad that by day 4 of fresh league I literally have every single piece of rare/white/magic item hidden on my loot filter. Because I’m most likely can just buy my base for 10c item level 85, and then spend anywhere from 4 divs to 15 divs trying to craft it depending on how lucky I get. For example, let say it takes me 15 Div to make a +1 power charge helm because I got a bit unlucky, and I settle for a +1PC 180 ES helm and it cost me 15d. I’m mostly likely not going to upgrade that helm ever, but in last epoch I enjoy upgrading here and there little by little, you fail some you win some, but at least it’s not an hour crafting session for one item which I’ve seen countless and countless crafters do on stream and RU-vid In the 8 years I been playing poe I always hated the crafting system in the game. I’ve always just dealt with it. And I’m the end you end up just making the same deterministic items each league but sometimes you come across an item that isn’t so deterministic and you know it’s gonna be a long crafting session and it’s just miserable thinking about it each time
@@Rawlingm I made a mistake with the percentage; I wrote something that was not what I meant. Had in mind 1 out of 1000 - 0.1% The current league is broken. This is the first league of its kind and probably the last. In the current league, a newcomer can get a mirror simply by farming. Forget about the current league. In other leagues, yes, a tiny number of people use mirror services. The number of services is not equal to the number of players, it is less. Those who use them do this more than once. >>when everyone is just either crafting the same things or just mirroring other peoples items. There is no "everyone". A tiny number of players use Mirror services. For most players (not beginners, average players) affording to buy t0 unique items like hh or mb is the limit of possibilities. I don't have statistics, but I think that 95%+ of players have never had a mirror at all (not counting this league). And most of the remaining 5% sold it without even thinking about mirroring any items. >>So basically everyone is using the same rares, the same fractured bases as everyone This is called meta. Do you know an ARPG where this wouldn't happen? There will always be items/mods that are more popular than others. I don't understand the essence of the complaint. You are given a choice of thousands of items and mods. Don't like meta? Use others. GGG brings variety to the meta every league. In this league they made 100+ alternative skills. Who is to blame for not using them and copying others? >>I literally have every single piece of rare/white/magic item hidden on my loot filter. Because I’m most likely can just buy my base for 10c item level 85 Play ssf or Ruthless. The problem with rare items is known, its only solution is a radically smaller amount of loot. It will be in Poe 2, and now it is in Ruthless. This problem exists in d4. Available in LE (which is also solved by the loot filter). What else do you want? This is literally what a loot filter is for - hiding what you don’t want to see. It’s easier for you to buy - but I don’t like to trade, and I don’t exclude good bases from showing. Why did you decide that the game should adapt specifically to you? >>but in last epoch I enjoy upgrading The gist of your story based on what you wrote is that you enjoy it because it’s easier. Crafting cool items in poe is difficult, but thanks to this, there are always goals in the game. You can't have everything in the game. You always have room to move and things to improve. How long will LE last if everything in it can be obtained deterministically? My opinion is that in a game of this genre there must be randomness. It's more interesting, it prolongs the life of the game. And no offense, but I’m sure that after some time you will return to POE.
@@user-xy1ru4zy2t I am not here trying to argue who is right or who is wrong here lol, yes there is more depth to crafting right now in PoE, but youre comparing a game that is in patch 3.23, while last epoch is in 1.0, and i prefer how crafting is in LE, it doesnt feel like a slot machine and its not that easy, yes easier to make base items with mods you want, but i still have been chasing LP3+ items and exalted items i can slam on them. PoE has years and years to get where it is today, LE just came out, I have been playing PoE for 8 years and I will never like the crafting system in the game, you either try to craft undeterministic items which can take hours if not days and thousands of crafting mats, or you just save up the currency and buy it. Yes there is SSF mode but I am already comparing the LE experience as SSF since I dont play online. playing SSF isnt just the answer just because the crafting feels bad in the game. Yeah of course i understand what meta is, its why they are meta, because they are powerful without much investment in time and resources to make powerful. PoE is far from being balanced while LE is very balanced where every skill and build is more than viable to push far corruption and do all content in the game even in SSF mode. LE just came out and give them 8 years and I guaranteee it will be a major competition for PoE 2. They understand their audience and I have nothing but faith in them making a very very good product in the years to come.
after playing le along time ago, i was hoping that the 'slamming' affixes on uniques was going to be the theme of the poe cruicible league. don't get me wrong the skill trees were cool, but i still would like to see a temporary poe league that 'borrows' (lol) le's mechanic. it would be so fun to watch streamers like yourself make some of the otherwise garbage uniques super strong with some additional modifers.
Monoliths would be a lot more fun with different dynamic events, like PoE's league mechanics Just a matter of time IMO. These guys seem to know what they're doing, so I'm looking forward to it
Had fun with 3 of the 5 classes so far. Swarmblade druid takes the cake, though. My armblade strikes gain tornado stacks, and the tornado is a flaming inferno that shoots lightning at nearby enemies.My dives gain maelstrom stacks, which does cold damage over a decent area around me. At 6 stacks, I gain frenzy, haste, and I shoot lightning at nearby enemies, and I'm typically at 8 stacks. Gonna run with this to see how deep into endgame I can go before I feel the need to tweak things.
really nice review, you have a good way of explaining your thoughts. Ive tried a few times to get into PoE, even with guides ive hit some of those walls you were talking about. Last epoch was easier to get into. Both were more enjoyable than my experience with D4. Really excited for PoE 2, i hope its more accessible to new players but retains that depth it has now.
Let's put it that way, LE has more fdevelped grinding for endgame which is great fun for me but the smoothness and quality of graphics goes to d4 without any doubt.
@@motherpigeon1582 smoothness i give to PoE. graphics goes to d4 i guess. never really cared how good a games graphics are. if its a good game ill play.
@guccigang9881 gameplay wise d4 is king when it comes to physics and feel of the impacts... Poe has only shattering builds that feel sonewhat satisfying in that way but physics etc is outdated and not that good unless you enjoy zombies laying down like papers. As my friend says poe is simulator and he doesnt even play it for "gameplay"
I think Crucible was GGG's attempt at making "legendary potential" items. The system was hilarious in terms of power, but only available for weapons and shields which was a shame.
I think LE could out scale POE later in the development, I’m sure we’ll get additional content with how popular it’s been. Where it’s at now that the servers are mostly fixed, there’s a lot that could be done with it from here. I would like to see some harder content from LE though it is pretty easy.
Great video! I have about 200 houelrs in PoE, and it's definitely a love/hate relationship for me. Crafting is way too expensive and requires an insane level of commitment to understand how it works IMO. LE is a great middle ground and is immediately fun to play. I didn't need to get to the end before I felt like a mad scientist, and that's lacking in D4.
LE crafting is definitely the best of the genre. Exalted items are always valuable to someone somewhere, whether its craftable on a good base or if it's craftable to merge with a unique. Even a single exalted mod, slam it 4 times into a 1LP unique, and you'll get that mod on average. And the LP system makes it so uniques can always be valuable even at 1LP it can be worth a lot. Making it so item drops always have value (equally so in trade and ssf leagues) is extremely important to arpgs so you constantly feel that progression. PoE items are bad, I stopped picking up all items last league and only went for currency and unique leather/heavy belts and unique gold rings, that's it. PoE item progression is "pickup some lucky drops and/or Rog, then buy the rest". And endgame crafting is super tedious. I think an ingame market for instant trading stackable items like crafting materials will go a long way to break down that barrier and enable players to craft.
I agree, sushi on your point onf what the game needs. But Id like to add that many passive points in skill trees work in a weird way, some dont work at all, and there is no way to really test some of these interactions - this should be solved
I think the nice thing with ARPGs is the fact they have seasons, im mainly a POE player so obviously league start I play that first but in between seasons I can play LE or D4 and then just having the competition is obviously great for games because it pushes them to be better. I think once the seasons start with LE is when we will really see how the game is going to be
it is the same lol. The only difference is that in order to push delve you need todo something else as well, get sulphite. Thats really the only difference imo
I kinda thought the same, with someone who has 10k hours in the game should see that. Also, while the monoliths are monotone, there are a lot of chase items in the empowered ones. The blessings and the echo rewards.
oh my god finally I kept seeing youtubers switch from PoE to LE and I've had LE for years but couldn't understand the hype around it but I also wasnt sure exactly why I didnt like it as much as PoE you put it my feelings into words exactly right!! I love that I can choose what CONTENT I play in PoE LE has very little content options in comparison I actually hate farming bosses over and over and over so I LOVE PoE for that but PoE does fall short compared to LE when, like you said, you just want to use a cool ability but end up getting locked out of PoE content when running it
Crafting a unique with LP 3 and you get a triple exalt is top. Haven't got one but seen one in discord. Hope in the future we can roll t7s or t6s atleast.
i think love of rares may root from d3, but i think its about having TRULY unique items too. when i craft a banger or even unidentify (rarely) one, I just pog out so hard. yes, some unique drops are pog too, but especially on trade I can just buy them.
The hardest part of PoE crafting isn't the crafting but acquire crafting material. You can't farm anything at once, there is a cost of changing, and other people might not bother to sell those stuff to you as well.
PoE in an amazing state ?! lol Bow meta with overpowered TS/LA/Deadeye/Pathfinder ; for the past two years, representing 30-40% of the whole meta. Amazing state my ass.
Seems weird to hear it said that high corruption isn't endgame content but that you'd like to see it in PoE...... Also what do you mean there are no chase items in LE? There are a bunch. Omnis is one but there are also just a bunch of uniques that by getting a rare 1-2+ LP version give you insane power spikes. If that's not a chase item then idk what is.
I mean crucible was adding some mods to unique items, most of the base stats were there for weapons. I guess it would be nice if armour/jewellery got it (but that was scourge league tbf)
Great content fellow exile! Crafting in LE is so daaaaym easy and accessible for new player. For base level at least. Edit:1 I feel like this LE crafting system could entice some old PoE crafting "noobs" get back and try something new in PoE crafting. I hope.=)
I like LE because of the simplicity. You can pick up just random stuff from the floor and go through most of the game (excluding maybe t4 dungeons and very high corruption). Uniques are not mandatory but build enablers and if you struggle you can 'fix' your char pretty easily. And I get that LE will one day have to become like PoE with builds reaching thousands shapers per second dps but foundation is pretty good.
The biggest issue I have had with last epoch has been the amount of blockers that I find on builds and the lack of support for ideas within their limited tools. I also went in blind and wanted to do a MoM build because I saw sorcerer got more damage based on the mana cost of the spell. Looked through the spells and saw that meteor had 100% crit at more than 400 mana, saw a helm with 20-50% damage to mana before life and 120% crit multi seems like a match made in heaven. Turns out the direct support for recovering mana was just non-existent even with investment (if you were going to be throwing huge meteors) and so if I got overwhelmed or didnt 1 shot the content taking damage to mana puts me below 400 mana meaning no crit and now a death spiral. Swapping my build from meteor to just mana strike changed my dps potential from 600k range to 12 million range which is just an absurd delta in build performance. The lack of mana recovery support gutted the build and the system mechanics in LE dont support slow hard hitting abilities there is no proc-coefficient so fast hitting spells are just strictly better than slower more heavily invested ones meaning there was no reasonable way to pivot outside of dropping the idea of MoM which was the point of the character. So, I felt tricked by the game systems and the skill trees into doing something bad and had to totally pivot out of the idea in the "late" game (100+ corruption). I dont think the game needs to be as deep as POE but it only has 3 primary resources Ward Health and Mana and from what I could tell they arent really pushed design wise. LE overall has very conservative design which will limit freedom going forward and making skills reference skills directly in trees limits freedom a year from now, 2 years from now etc. More generic uniques that We can find ways to break is also better than being like "I wanna do spark charges, lets run a search on every unique with spark charges to try and find combos" I like it conceptually but I think it is under baked.
Since you said you're 10000h in PoE so I want to ask something. I haven't play PoE yet, and PoE2 is kind close, how is PoE now for new player? I might give it a try or should I just wait for PoE2? ( I played a lot of these type games include Last Epoch but only one I still feel kind hard to start, even the beginner's guide looks very intimidating.
PoE 2 gameplay will be drastically different from the current PoE and a lot more slow paced but the general systems like crafting and skills should remain roughly the same so i would say if you are looking forward to PoE 2 there is no harm in trying to get accustomed to the basics of PoE now, like mapping basic gearing etc. But i would recommend following a build guide since refunding your skill tree is very limited early on and if you make bad choices you will struggle in the campaign. Also by now there are 10 years of content in the game which will be very overwhelming for new players with some many mechanics to choose from so following what the guide recommends to do after the campaign helps with that. you can go to maxroll for guides, they are usually very good for beginners and usually explain the whole leveling and gearing progress step by step (first link in the description is a link to the maxroll crafting section, just go and select "Build Guides" and then "League Starter") not sure if i can put a link. If you do not like those builds then theres a lot of league starter build guides on youtube but they might not be as detailed.
Ngl poe is brutal for a new player. You better enjoy learning and problem solving, this game won't hold your hand at all. I highly recommend to follow a build guide because you'll have a lot of problems outside of creating a playable build.
@@transcent7 Well, first thing is that it's just not bloated and all the power creep that's present in poe 1 will not be in poe 2 right away, for 5-6 years at least. Second, difference in crafting methods and how the gear is going to look like. We have no idea about essence, harvest and synthesis. There are no alt or scour orbs. Chaos orbs are exalt and annul combined. Truly great gear is going to be hard to get and that's less damage for everyone, chaos spam is going to be tier 7 affix dogshit fiesta, chaos' better use in that case is main trading currency. Imagine LE crafting but every time you add an affix it can be tier 5 straight away, but you delete another affix. You'll just be picking up everything and then sorting that, vendoring it and maybe crafting it, basically playing like a first time poe player would, wasting time. Basic way to get gear right now is essence slam a fractured item. That's most likely not possible in poe 2. Also remember Legion and clusters jewels and annoints. Instilling orbs for flasks??? That's slower because you press 2-4 ability buttons in poe 2, there's 4 more for flasks. Third, support gems and awakened versions, current uniques that will be gone, except a few, and replaced for god knows what. Fourth, there will be not 1-2 six-linked items, but possibly all the items except jewelry, that's like 6 six-links. That's a lot of damage potential so health of everything will be cranked. What I have in mind is that the area is balanced around you having a certain damage and that damage comes from links, just like right now. But, in poe 1 they have to balance between you having 3 link or possibly 4 link. In poe 2 you could have 3-4 4-links in an area balanced around 2 3-links or you setup could be worse therefore slower. Basically, it's harder to balanced areas because it's harder to predict potential power players should have at that stage. They will most likely overshoot and every boss will feel like Elden Ring encounter when you didn't power level. Just look at boss presentations at exilecon and the most recent mercenary or whatever showcase. Finally, different or significantly reworked skill tree. No masteries means less specific power early on when you don't have a lot of points, of which there's probably not even 123 anymore.
2:40 this is the only reason i have 400 hours in LE , the skillgem alterations u can do is amazing, but the game is lacking global conversions like all cold damage converted to fire. if they add that its gonna be way way better imo
I remeber old poe, when ppl ledge and dock farm. Piety and dom for boss rushing and getting endgame loot . Also having to play the acts 3 times on every char 😴.
most builds use a healthy mix of exalted(rare) items and uniques/legendaries, i have yet to see a build that doesn't use at least 4-5 "rares", they are by no means obsolete
Biggest diff in poe crafting is you dont wanna risk it. It takes way too long to gather all currency needed to craft an item and even then its probably not enough. The feeling i get before going into crafting in poe is like "oh boi😢" even though i know everything i need to know. And in last epoch im more like "ok its time😂😮"
I really wish I could get into POE but I think LE is the most complex I'm willing to get into. I hate needing to dive deep into online guides for things and I haven't been able to get out of the first few zones in POE without being too overwhelmed. LE has been a perfect balance between the chill vibes of Diablo and complexity of POE without being so complex the fun leaves the game (for me).
I think that balance for crafting in PoE could be done by putting some sort of forging potential to the crafting, and then going closer to a Harvest style of crafting. What I mean is that if Harvest crafting (original) also implemented forging potential, it means you can still brick items or have sub-par, but at least you can deterministically craft.
At around the 11min mark you talk about someone like me. I played PoE, I liked it enough to spend like $35 on the store buying tabs and such, but I don't know if it was the saboteur build I was running or what, but I didn't feel like I could progress into another spec or build without being punished hard. Whereas in Last Epoch right now I'm playing an Intelligence-based Ward Sentinel Dual Wield build that I made on my own and I'm holding my own in 100+ corruption. This normally wouldn't be possible as almost everyone goes Sentinel for the shield, but with just two unique items and a third set of gloves I crafted, I was able to transition to a Ward-based build. Such a thing wouldn't have been possible in PoE. Now, all that said, do I regret spending money on PoE? Absolutely not. I got to have fun and learned a lot while there, even if I didn't really get into the end game crafting that much. I also appreciate what PoE has done for the genre and I'm glad to have contributed. But I still probably prefer Last Epoch in the end. Being able to skip the campaign stuff with alternate characters is awesome. Having an easier and less RNG-based crafting system is awesome. Being able to try out different builds and not being punished is awesome. The Idol system makes handling resistances for endgame testing a lot easier, too. EDIT: I don't feel like GGG hates having an easy game, but I think they've forgotten that casual gamers don't really have the time to grind crafting nor do they have the patience to learn such a punishing crafting system. I don't think PoE should change to be easier, if anything, I think LE probably needs to make their end game a little bit more grindy, but I do think that trying a league where making OP crafted uniques would be OK. In PoE I can play for two weeks and not feel like my character is "done" as a casual player. In LE I can play for 3-4 days and feel like I've made it to end game for that character. I think the sweet spot is going to be somewhere in between.
Content is still kind of lacking, but it's very understandable considering they just released. And the base game has really cool systems. Crafting system is the best in the genre by miles, it got even better with experimental items and glyphs of insight, the trading/ssf faction stuff is great, and the way classes are set up is great too. They have so many different knobs to tweak to change stuff up, and they can obviously add more dungeons and different layers to mono. I'm not sure how to make arena interesting outside of stress testing your build and competing on the leaderboards, but that might be enough.
I am the opposite. I feel the combat and progression in PoE makes you feel very powerful while in LE you are not unlocking much the first levels except base stats while in PoE you can pick up so many different gems that gives you completely new moves and abilities. Also in LE i counted 3 enemy types from level 1 to 10 .....
@@Avean Not only that but PoE actually puts challenge in front of you from get go. So when you solve the problem you feel that power up. Meanwhile in LE I am trashing everything from start and never feel the need to do anything and If I gimp my self all that happens is that mobs die slower. There is no oh shit I about about to hit merveil did I get cold res ? Did I get links I need ? Dunno how to describe it just feels dull and it is not only early but whole way.
Last epoch crafting: upgrade a good item with a chance to improve it even more Poe crafting: investing your currency on a complex blueprint with a chance to waste it all
I like blasting with fast builds personally with just a single skill, cant really get that feeling in LE so im back to POE, but i did enjoy that everything is "IDENTIFIED" on the floor so i can get easy upgrade all the way until i find a unique i needed and i dont have to trade cause i can deterministically farm certain item. But POE is more fun all together just because i like blasting monster, LE monolith needs a lot more monster, levelling after level 70 is just pure pain, some echos has so less monster and some have so many, just feels weird.
I played PoE for a long time, off and on after the second or third league. I've played Last epoch off and on since they had beta's, and been playing it steadily since release. Here's my general take: if you like running spreadsheets and long intensive guides and lots of time invested in crafting and trading in order to succeed then play PoE. If you want the same enjoyment but without needing the spreadsheets and trading and all the rest, play LE. It's pretty much as simple as that. I always enjoyed PoE until I got to late game and had to trade/craft until my eyes bled, then I'd quit. LE is a simpler approach, but still involving work, and I enjoy that much more.
My pain point with poe crafting is that even though it's fun and gives a lot of sense of accomplishment to craft end game items, the accessibility is an issue. like you have to trade for the items most of the time , like essences, orbs n etc, and second layer of pain point comes in, the trade, where ppl not responding, only trade in bulks. all those shit
I can relate with the trade part and people not responding etc. But really you'd only craft so much that you're able to clear the content smoothly. After that crafting is just for profit tbh. If you play on ssf, you'd not depend on trade so maybe gives a lot more sense of accomplishment.
Le does fix one of the main downfalls of poe. The pitfall of being able to make a useless character because you were experimenting. In poe you need To understand a ton of silly unintuitive interactions to experiment at all.
I didn't go in completely blind, but I made my own build. My dps was terrible at first. But I finally was able to itemize a few of my items and my dps skyrocketed passed what my friends have who are running build guides. I think you can actually take almost any idea you have to empowered monoliths. Maybe not super high corruption. But you should be able to make it if you just pat attention to scaling and the different defensive layers.
I'm with you - PoE has complexity and depth that feels very rewarding once you complete the pinnacle content of a season. LE is cool, but PoE is the game for me. Started working through Monoliths and Corruption just recently, and have been really missing PoE's end game.
I really like playing PoE, like it FEELS good to move and cast skills, etc. But as a very casual player, I've literally never made it as far as maps in a league. I always fall off it because I get tired of having to reference PoB or external websites to see what's good or not. I really hope they kinda iron that stuff out a bit for PoE2, because I think the classes and pace look AMAZING. But LE really does make that sort of stuff accessible and intuitive. Complexity is awesome for a game, but in PoE I feel like there's no way to ramp into that complexity in-game. Always gotta pick a build ahead of time, yada yada yada. Overall, can't deny that PoE is a better game once you understand enough about it to dig deep, but LE certainly has the foundation to start adding complexity in a way that's much more inviting than PoE. What a good time to be an ARPG fan though, huh?
I hope LE won't ever have the same stupid system as POE in terms of sextants, scarabs and other crap that you need to either roll or trade. That should be a modifier you pay extra currency on map device not something that you need to waste your time in HO like a bot.
I would say that LE is a good middle ground between the simplicity of Diablo and the complexity of PoE. The learning curve for PoE is much less forgiving than in LE.
Great video! I'm new to ARPG's (coming from mainly first person looter shooters). I started with Diablo IV and have been really upset that the community has complained so hard about the game that the devs have made it easier and less rewarding over the seasons (was a grind to get to 100 and beat Uber Lilith pre-season but now any casual gamer will hit 100 in no time and anyone can follow a build guide to one shot Uber Lilith). I've since played Diablo II (loved it!), Grim Dawn (also loved it!), Diablo III and even Diablo Immortal (great MMO but evil monetization) but whilst all those games clicked with me I've failed to even get through the main story campaign of POE 4 times now. I'm 73hrs into Last Epoch right now and loving it. It's a fun game, but I feel it's too easy. In all 73 hrs I've only died 3 times (I die a lot when pushing high tier sigils in Diablo IV). I'd argue that without using a build guide Diablo IV actually has more build complexity than Last Epoch, but that said I'm hungry for more complexity and I'm 100% I'd find it in POE. I just need to get past the main story for starters (and after playing Last Epoch I'm more inspired than ever to give POE another go).
For me, having played atleast 6k hours of poe over the years aswell as owning LE since 2019 playing it on and off, the two most notable differences between the two is the satisfaction from loot drops as well as the satisfaction of when a build comes together. Poe just does loot sooo much better, I dont think I have ever had that feeling you get from a divine drops etc from LE. Also putting a build together in poe feels like completing a rubix cube with loads of mechanics all meshing together to create something special, LE builds are way more pigeon wholed and the synergies are just way too obvious. Just my opinion though
Interesting, have opposite opinion. Loot in Poe just annoys me because it completely revolves around skill gem slots and just makes a good drop pointless if it doesn’t have the gem slots you need. Endgame yes you can change these much easier but as for leveling up it ruined my excitement.
Poe is definitely quite difficult to pick up...I only put 400 hours into it but still thought like I had soooo much more to learn especially with crafting. Also not being able to respec a build easily really turned me off. I followed a build guide but realised too late that the build really wasn't for me but by then it was too late and hard to respec so I started a new character. Also the one shots off screen or the dead enemies exploding and killing you was just insanely dumb.
I never once looked at d4 and went give that a year or two it will pull me away from poe for a solid bit of time each league. However when I look at LE I for sure think the base is great and give it some time to build up league mechanics this could be something that sucks up a solid bit of my time. Don't think it would ever over take poe as my main game but LE stands a way better chance then other games.
Been trying out Torchlight infinite a bit, and there you can customize mechanics for the maps with card decks, and its pretty interesting, limited cards you can fit in, so have to make some decisions there, and it kind of fills up the maps. Several things from Torchlight infinite i wish PoE had actually.
Keeping masteries locked is good. Keeps people experimenting with that mastery with all the skills at hand. I hope LE doesn’t cave in and make it respec-able. Besides the alt leveling to mastery is quick and there’s campaign skips. My main problem with POE is that there is no choice in builds. Cool tons of skills but a lot of them fall off and it’s not easy to respec as much as you make it sound. It’s straightforward brick. You have start over again with a new character. And the campaign, over and over again. That’s not fun at all.
I actually dislike the infinite ladder game play. Coming from Diablo 2, I like the feeling of hitting the ceiling and being so strong you can carry an 8 person party through content. Games with infinite ladder makes me realize what I'm doing is pointless much quicker
i think what sucks for me about POE is that even with me starting out I'm like my only goal is to become gods right hand of destruction I want to be able to destroy everything in the game hands down with one character and I think the fact that you can do that in so many ways but there's also no real guide to do that per-say is what kinds sows me down. I just wanna kill shit but i need 18 speadsheets, 3 mathmeticians, a navigator and a good horse to even begin to play it correctly.
I think it's a bit unfair to say "yellow maps is the start of end game" in PoE, and then say that Corruption is just repetitively doing the same thing. I think you make a lot of good points... but honestly I would compare normal monoliths to white maps, Empowered monoliths to Yellow maps, and getting 2-300 corruption (not even that much) to be more red map/end game... I can understand the feeling of monoliths getting stale after a bit... but maps feel the same way Either way LE needs more content and I do think they're taking it the right direction, overall good points! just wanted to point this one thing out
Also I find it interesting you like chase uniques... I fall into the category of player you mentioned early in the video that likes the build diversity and freedom LE brings... and I feel like chase items strip away some of the diversity... I suppose it could be done in a less "build altering" way.. but curious to see where EHG takes it
GGG can do so many things that are not taking any complicity out of the game, but meanwhile makes it alot more enjoyable + a better experience for new players. Remove the respec system. make it more accessable. Skip the fucking campaign after u beat it the first time in a league.
I'm lazy, and since LE is easier to figure out in order to be decent at it and not feel like you bricked your build, without losing depth, I prefer it to PoE I appreciate PoE for it's unparalleled build possibilities, but the overall design is way too clunky for me LE will be enough to scratch that ARPG it h until PoE 2 comes around
