i saw a TV show about the yum Kapur war and the centurion could rise and depres it's gun so it shot down and op on the others but the Invaders tanks gun could not and they lost a lot on that account
In the period of the first Arab-Israeli-War (1948) the Israelis received a lot of support by Czekoslovakia (initiated by Moscow, of course). Among the shipments were Avia S-199 planes, Czech post-war versions of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109. A lot of the parts had been produced before the end of the war. So in essence the beginnings of the Israeli air force are also marked by Third-Reich technology.
if ww2 ended atleast a year later (1946), panzer 4's and other feline tanks would've faced against centurions, IS3"s and probably e100 is completed by that time too, to counter such allied tanks
I was aware Syria had Panzers during the 1967 war, but I had no idea of the numbers. I think it a little sad Hollywood could not get their hands on some of these machines. If they had, those Panzers would have been movie stars for decades.
@@billmcfadden4791 blitzkrieg was never a concept. Germany simply adopted the same style they had since the Franco-Prussian war. If you mean modern combined arms, then the French and British had done so during world war I. If you referring to pure mechanized formations, then both Germany and Britain had published papers on this subject which resulted in both copying off of each other. Germany further refined this during secret cooperation with USSR and eventually put it to the test during the Spanish civil war. Poland was actually a fairly traditional encirclement, but the aforementioned innovations are further refined. Then you have the French campaign where the Wehrmacht have matured in to the fighting force we know of today, although it would continue to adapt and change throughout the entire war, especially against USSR.
If they were not scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were used against ISIS and Al-Qaida forces, maybe in a pill box fashion like they used the Stug III's
It sort of reminds me of Nixon's famous question to Moshe Dyan; Nixon-"They say you have the best army in the world" Dyan- "I don't know, we've only ever fought arabs"
Like that polish guy with hundreds of personal kills as a mercenary I think: "Whats it like to take human lives?" "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."
My late father and another gunner had to train 8 Egyptians and man a heavy AA gun (gun crew of 10 required). Given the order to fire on an Italian reconnaissance aircraft the first shot was fire and then nothing. The 8 Egyptians all ran away. The same on a nearby gun. The 4 British gunners could only stand there shaking their heads. A while later the Egyptians returned shyly giggling. He was never surprised with Israeli success in it's wars.
@@binaway While that is a funny story, it was kind of unofficial doctrine for Israel's short-lived towed-anti-tank units to fire once and run away before the dust cleared due to the fact that they knew they had zero survivability if engaged, and that it was impossible to remain stealthy due to every shot kicking up a large, noticeable dust cloud. AFAIK those units never actually saw combat before the towed AT guns were mothballed.
Don't tell Gaijin that Haha. Happens very often in War Thunder. Can't tell you how many times playing Germany I've had my Tiger taken out by a Centurion.
And during Israel's war of independence, the newly created Israeli Air Force flew Czech made ME-109's piloted by American volunteers versus the Arab air forces flying Spitfires.
Would be nice to see a video about this😊. The Avia s199 me 109's with a bomber motor. Terrible aircraft. And the arabs had spitfires, Macchi 205 and Fiat g55. I've heard that Hafez Assad, Bashar al Assad's father flew the Fiat G55.
If only! If all of those were in working order, you’d have more than enough for a panzer regiment of re-enactors, let alone to use in films rather than mockups!
@@MarkFeltonProductions There was one in full running order in the Littlefield Collection which came up for auction in 2014 - it didn't hit the reserve, but I believe was subsequently sold for $2.5m to Warbirds. Much of the collection was sold after Jacques Littlefield's death, in order to fund putting the rest into a museum. It would make for a fascinating video, the largest private collection in the world (some 220 vehicles), including some really interesting kit.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Culturally they are more oriented to guerilla warfare than conventional warfare. Great at individual heroics. Nineteen of them got the US to start the War on Terror.
Well you atleast you have the guts to confess that the arab army was unproffesional,im just sad cause those ww2 tanks are beatiful and just werent used how they should be.😞
Ya'atiq il afya ya Omar! Better have good neighbor than a far away brother!!! May we have peace and stability in the middle east! We sure all need it! Salam aleikum min daulat Israel 👍
Perhaps as a follow-up to this video, it is an interesting idea to create a video about how Israel managed to conquer the Sinai desert in Egypt during the Six-days war? To be honest, it is rather incredible that in 1967 35 German tanks were still 'active', in Syria of all places. Really enjoyed the video, as always!
The 1973 Yom Kippur war is a lot more interesting. The Egyptian Army initially kicked the IDF's butt, the IDF came roaring back across the Suez canal and had the Egyptian Army by the balls AND the throat before the US and the USSR demanded a cease-fire, but in the end, Anwar Sadat won the war at the negotiating table. Syria got beat up badly, too, but the Jordanian Army just kept their heads down.
@@schaihmansur8298 So you are saying that egyptians can be easily bought to betray their country? That is of course a much more palatable explanation than the egyptian army being ill-equipped and outdated.
When operating one of those training is as important as the machine itself. The German army did not let anyone touch one of those if not trained. They were very expensive to build.
The Pz IV was actually a good tank but only the Germans made good use of it. In this case it was a total mismatch. Against Centurions and Super Shermans manned by well trained crews it didn’t stand a chance.
I'm fairly sure the Israelis 'up-gunned' the Sherman tanks. The video mentioned high velocity French 75mm guns - it turns out these are Sherman M-50s and the 105mm equipped ones were called the Sherman M-51s. Both varients were used in the Six Day War.
@@averagefilipino315 They were multiple type of French improvements for Sherman's The FL10 Sherman (Amx13 turret with the long 75), the m50 (75mm SA50 on the Sherman) and the M51 Super Sherman with the 105 high velocity French gun (Pratically the same as the Amx10 RC)
Modernized Shermans vs unupgraded Panzer IVs though, the battlefield pictures of these tanks show they didn't even have the added front armor plating the Germans ghetto rigged them with in 1944 out of desperation. (they did on the turret sides for some reason though?) Not even a contest for the heavy sloped armor high-velocity 75mm Shermans.
Thanks for another interesting video. Syria was only in the Six Days War because of false reports that the IDF had been crushed and Egyptian forces were advancing n Tel Aviv. Not wanting to be left out of the division of territory after the war, the Syrian Army went into action. In addition to poor maintenance of its armored vehicles, they also had a plethora of types, from the Panzer IVs, Churchills, Shermans, and various Russian types, including the T-34 and T-54. Even though the Syrians had over 1,000 tanks on strength, less than 300 were operation on the first day of the war. Israel swifty destroyed two thirds of the Syrian air force on the ground, ending any hope of close air support. Israel's aircraft were free to roam the Golan Heights, and any tanks that showed themselves were quickly attacked. There were a few hard tank vs tank battles when the Syrians were able to mount an armoured attack before the Israeli planes showed up, but many Syrian tanks were either abandoned by their crews or swiftly withdrew behind Syrian lines. The infantry was poorly trained and led, and it tended to break and run at the sight of Israeli tanks. The constant attacks by aircraft, while not really doing much damage to the Syrian defense lines, demoralized Syrian soldiers and caused many units to surrender en masse, sometimes killing their own officer trying to prevent the surrender. Syria had gotten itself in a war based on lies, and in a war it wasn't prepared to fight. All the Panzers in the world couldn't have helped them in 1967
Not only were the Syrians duped by Egyptian false reporting but so were the Jordanians. The Jordanian Arab Legion was the only force on the Arab side that fought with honor and tenacity.
Want it British trained and led by a Brit? They agreed to an honorable peace and have worked for the good of all in the region since then. Much respect.
Agreed. The "cats" get all the attention but the humble PzkW-IV was the most common model and carried the bulk of the combat. Even up to the end they were, with upgrades, still fairly capable.
Was a lovely looking tank, and ferocious with the big gun. Pains me to see them sitting atop a hill rusting away like that. I suppose Syria has bigger problems these days.
0:47 that is in the Yad La-Shiryon tank museum in Latrun, Israel, a Panzer IV displayed next to a Stug III. The Syrians also had T-34s and ISU-152s, the israeli tank museum has those as well.
I visited the Latrun tank museum with my family in 1990 and remember seeing the captured panzer IV with arabic markings among other decomissioned israeli and captured vehicles, my father may or may not have pictures of it, i only remember seeing a picture of me and my siblings next to some recovery vehicle and some weird locally converted m4 apc kind of deal.
Razvan Rinder You forget that the Syrians were facing Centurions armed with L7s and Shermans armed with French high velocity 75mm guns which were derived from the Panther’s 75mm. If there were German crews then the only difference would be we’d be calling it the “6-1/2 day war”, if anything.
I don't believe that would be the case. That's like saying with good crews T55s could take on Abrams or Leopard 11. A centurion firing 105mm AP rounds could take out a panzer 4 miles before the panzer 4 came within range. If you think Sherman vs Tiger was one sided this battle would be multiple times more one sided.
Against centurions with 105mm guns no not really. The panzer 4s were completely out classes in every respect. With the flat open grounds the 105mm gun on the centurions could destroy them in a single shot before the panzers could even fire back and even if they could get close they could not pen the front of a centurion and would even have trouble with the sides but getting to the sides just wouldn't happen with the flat open grounds.
I bet Bruce from combat dealers would love to strike a deal on the remaining tanks in the Golan Heights 😂😂 Cheers for the effort you put into your unique and captivating content. Peace and Love.
I am from Czech republic and I did not know we sold panzers to Syria. Before communist party ruled the country in 1948 we also sold some Messerschmitt bf 109 and Spitfires to Izrael. Theese planes we were used after WW2 in service.
I never in a thousand years would I have imagine that Syria would be using captured Nazi Germany Panzer IV's to kill Israeli soldiers. WOW! I hope Syria still has one of those jagdpanzer in storage. Thanks for the video.
Earlier in the Civil War, the Free Syrian Army used StG-44s. A few thousand of them too. No idea what has happened to them, since the FSA is all but defunct now.
"Ausf. III Version" ... the Ausf. mean in German "Ausführung" and is another word for version in German too. Correctly it is just "Ausf. III" without version. Greetings from Germany
Tier V in a Tier VIII battle ... should not have happened. Someone mod the game rules. Syrians did not use binocs and camo equipment (Not enough credits), was afraid to use "pay to win" APCR rounds or study the flank weaker armor of the British Centurian Mk I (50mm) with Tank inspector ...................................................... no really!
Huzzah, obscure yet fascinating trivia I actually _knew_ about prior to watching, for once! Regardless, I suspect I'm in the majority of viewers subconsciously lamenting at how few (if any) of these irreplaceable antiques weren't procured from the Syrians at some point for preservation and subsequent exhibition amongst the world's _panzer-hungry_ tank museums.... Indeed, it's frustrating at just how much WW2 German armour Syria had amassed only (relatively) recently only for the vast majority of to have been destroyed. Bah. ;)
It really pissed me off when he said that Syria has possibly scrapped the rare jagdpanzer IVs that they had. probably one of my favorite variants of the German tank destroyers.
I doubt the History Channel will ever include this information in one of their documentaries. I had no idea German AFVs were used outside of Spain after WW2. Thanks!
After 1945 many German tanks were collected in scrapyards but the enterprising French repaired and then sold on to Middle East and Africa. There are photos of those scrapyards available online. And don't forget lots of Panzers were used and abandoned in Greece and area.
This was before Stalin turned anti Jewish, in the early years he was quite pro Israel, but this did not last as strategic opportunities and megalomanial paranoia set in. Jews were purged from the politburea, and others persecuted, after Chzech sales had taken place. Good timing for the Israelis.
not really a fair battle tbh. One side had USA backing and unlimited ammo supply plus training, other side had limited ammo and spare parts.They probably haven't even got enough ammo for practice shooting. Also panzer IV 75mm was hardly enough to penetrate centurion.
America never backed Israel with military aid until after the six day war in 1967 the Israeli air force was equipped with French aircraft the army was using British centurion tanks and Sherman tanks the tanks were using French ammunition as stated in the video.
The French and the Czechs share the distinction of supplying both Israel and Syria, as it turns out, and the materiel that Israel received from Czechoslavia included 23 Avia S-199s, Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters fitted with Junkers Jumo 211F engines instead of Daimler-Benz DB 605s (something for a future Mark Felton video, perhaps?), which served briefly alongside B-17s, Beaufighters, Mosquitoes and Spitfires.
It's a fascinating story altogether, but my worry is that as one says "this was the last battle of the Nazi panzers", another, someone out there, will say "hold my beer".
I have in the past read about Panzer IVs fighting for Syria but it was always a case of having no proof and some doubt as to whether or not it was true. Then a couple of years ago I came across an article about the Golan Heights and there was a Panzer IV. And now, thanks to this video, I see it was much more extensive then I thought. Well done
I always find it interesting to see where ww2 material ended up after the war. It's not like it just disappeared. Thanks for showing us more history. =)
IDF tank crews have always trained to shoot accurately at the extreme ranges of their main guns. They can therefore knock out enemy tanks usually well before the enemy can engage. In most tank battles, who shoots first, most accurately gets the kill.
