For me the grove ties in when we see his wife has cancer it’s clear he sacrificed her to go number 1 which set off a chain of events to lead to the Halloween show which got the number one ratings but not in the way that he planned.
I’m pretty sure his reactions to everything happening is not bc he doesn’t know what the grove does but more so disbelief bc while he knew he had to sacrifice his wife, he didn’t know it would lead to his downfall in this way so I think he’s overwhelmed and trying to deny what’s happening and keep his cool over everything. I think he’s a nice guy that got wrapped up in fame and everything was just way over his head which the grove took advantage of.
@@ManilaSlim I saw the movie one week ago and haven’t stopped thinking about it since. Funny…that thought actually just crossed my mind this morning and then I saw your comment. I also think that the guy in the skeleton costume was either a member of The Grove or another survivor of the Satanic cult.
Adding the Bohemian Grove was a plus in my books! The images in the film were so eerie for those that have looked into it! Thought it was a clever fun film. Will definitely be added to our annual October spooky movie list!
I found it interesting how the Cult he was involved with worshipped an Owl creature, and his show was called "Night Owls". It was a nice way to show how the Cult was directly involved with every part of his career and his show.
@@steveoshei1819Same, especially with all the buzz about it on TikTok now. I’ve known about it since the early 2000’s when the History channel started doing their edutainment stuff on conspiracy topics.
@@steveoshei1819my jaw dropped when they started showing the Grove stuff, it made a lot of sense why there were so many production companies then. Goddamn no film executives would ever approve of that being in a movie
I like the part after the girl floated in air, when they cut to commercials, that guy stood in front of audience and said "PEPTO BISMOL IS GOOD FOR TUMMY ACHES" 😂😂
I didn't go through this entire comment thread, but I didn't see anyone mention that psychic character seems to be modeled after uri geller and the skeptic seems to be modeled after The Amazing Randi. Interesting stuff lol
Questioning what a TV Host thought the group he joined was all about - and being naive was important! This grieving TV host put himself in various stressful situations. Made me think his 'weakened' mind was a playground for manipulation perhaps. You were funny with the cultish links comments!
The “Grove” cult in the movie is based on bohemian grove which is a real secret club where all the richest and most powerful get together and do worship and owl looking god.
I was really confused why there were so many production companies at the start of the movie, and especially non-american ones. My question was answered within the first five minutes of the movie 😂 I actually could not believe what I was seeing, the balls it takes to put something like that in this movie is insane.
@@bryanrhodes369 except they used actual clips of footage Jones recorded at the Grove. It's a real thing. Alex Jones is absolutely insane but about 20% of the time he is completely correct and has actual evidence. There's a video of him sneaking into their meeting on youtube you can watch, it's insane
The issue with the tall trees bit is it only makes sense if you know that the group that Jack is part of is a real secret society called "the Bohemian Club". And the big conspiracy theory is that the Bohemian Club conducts strange rituals at a place in northern California called "Bohemian Grove" which is surrounded by red woods.
Honestly, I think that ending was needed art imitating life life imitating art whatever you wanna call it they’re showing you in plain sight how they really get down in Hollywood procedures needed to reach that success the price someone is willing to pay for fame
I was so confused at the end. Was the girl's possession supposed to be fake? Was the guardian the lover of the host before the wife died? Were they all knowingly staging a hoax that backfired? And if he sold his soul before his wife died and she's been dead for over a year, wouldn't he be upset that he's still not number 1 on TV? Up until the last 5 minutes I liked it, but it didn't scare me, it made me laugh a lot.
Just got out of the showing, I think the whole worms allegory was a great layer to the “ Mr. Wriggles”, like the entity , and in gus, and the hypnotizing ideas of what we think we see. Also it’s funny when I think Gus does a quip about his head spinning to Carmichael before the sit down. I think for Christou there was a sense he got the boys death info from a screener from the audience, and that the bile he spews out to death could’ve been the demons monkey paw twist commenting on the bile of lies he says when he “magically “ can foresee the dead and speak with them.
Hey guys, love your reviews! Just finished watching this and I loved it. **spoiler** I think he originally sacrificed his wife, because they said she got lung cancer but never smoked. Im thinking he did this to get his ratings up but he never really achieved it until he brought the devil to his show. Also, with him “killing” the girl at end, he saw his wife and she was begging for him to kill her. I found it interesting that he killed her with the sacrificial knife, i wonder if thats what the Devil wanted.. Some questions left unanswered, but I think it’s cool how we can come up with our own theories and conclusions lol
I have a suggestion for you guys. You should put a time stamp in the description on when you give your rating, that way people can easily jump to it if they don't want the spoilers just yet.
Joseph and Nick you guys are looking lovely together per usual. Both of you guys are wearing purple, although different shades of that color and different types of shirts, and complimenting one another.
I just got home from watching Late Night With The Devil and I really enjoyed it. For some reason my showing had Spanish subtitles. I got used to them being there though and could ignore them after awhile.
The skeptic Carmichael Haig seemed like he was obviously inspired by magician & skeptic James A. Randi a.k.a. The Amazing Randi. Randi was a staple on 1970s and 1980s talk shows & debunked quite a few psychics live on TV. Like Carmichael, he also carried around a blank check if anybody could prove to him the reality of psychic phenomena. Randi also co-founded the Committee for the Scientific Claims of the Paranormal (pronounced psy-COP), which sounds very similar to IFSOP, the organization founded by Carmichael. Carmichael called himself a self-admitted "charlatan," and James Randi kept a sign on his house that said, "Randi--Charlatan." In addition, James Randi came out as gay in 2010 & I thought the film was coding Carmichael Haig as gay. After Christou spews the bile on Carmichael's jacket, Carmichael protests, "This jacket was a personal gift from Charles Laughton," who was a Hollywood star of the 1930s who was in the closet. They're really making a lot of parallels between James Randi & Carmichael Haig, but I thought Haig was way more dickish than Randi was in real life.
Glad somebody picked up on the Amazing Randi connection! There’s no way Carmichael wasn’t based on him; there are way too many similarities!! I always loved his insights and studies and seeing him debunk psychics, astrology, etc
Love your reviews!Straight-up and to the point,no BS.Saw this movie a couple of days ago & thought it was "just ok".I get it that he sold his soul to the devil for fame and ratings but the ending seemed rushed.
It's definitely referring the the Bohemian Grove. The owl, the tall trees. I could be wrong but I think the film uses actual photos of the Bohemian Grove during a voice over segment.
I love this movie because it’s more like a twilight zone episode where the moral is that your actions have consequences as opposed to a traditional horror movie.
The issue imo is that the plot depends a bit too much on the viewer knowing that the group that Jack is part of is a real secret society called "the Bohemian Club". I saw this movie with my friend who also didn't know about The Bohemian Club, so she didn't understand the owl symbolism and the references to "The Tall Trees". The big conspiracy theory is that the Bohemian Club conducts esoteric rituals at a place in northern California called "Bohemian Grove" which is surrounded by California Red Woods (hence "the tall trees")
I don't think you need to know about the cult. I just saw it, and I don't know anything about the real life cult, but the movie mentioned entertainers go to this "camp retreat" (that's assumed to be a cult). When the girl said they met before, I knew he was messing with spirits in the Grove. The hypnotist had already asked him for an invite (being an ass).
While I do think its unfortunate they used AI to help make the art for three of cards used in the movie. I don't think this warrants a total boycott of it like a few people are saying. Before that I have been hearing mostly petty good things about the movie.
Essentially because it means one less job and less creativity. The AI used essentially copies the entire style of classic Halloween decorations, something an artist named Austin Pardun recreates by hand and is pretty popular. Coulda paid him to do it and got something a lot better while supporting an artist!
@@kenbogus136 Something YOU wont care about. When executives are able to throw together a movie with AI and suddenly there is no jobs for the thousands of people who work on films, they will certainly care. First it's not hiring someone to make 3 title cards, then it's not hiring someone to make sets, then its not hiring CG artists, then its not hiring makeup or costume designers, it's a snowball that only ends in the entire industry becoming a soulless heap of uncreative slop that's produced by AI. AI which just takes aspects of existing artwork and doesn't give credit or pay anyone it steals from. The "look" they got was literally the art style of many existing artists, like the one I named. It's not difficult to license an image from him or even commission an original piece. They did it because they were lazy.
Saw it today. I must say, it seemed to be as much a very good attempt at re-creating a 70s TV show, as it was a horror movie. Because its a TV show re-creation, it may actually work very well on the small screen in ones home. I loved the creativity. I also loved David Dastmalcian as the lead. He was super duper.
it is possible he never witnessed an actual conjuring and chose to believe it was all just ritual for sake of getting ahead, but not "that real"....and at the same time curiosity propels him to keep taking more and more steps to conjuring the demon. It is also his reckoning.
God, I hated this movie. Maybe all the hype ruined it for me but, to be blunt,: 1: uninteresting story that literally goes no where 2: incredibly poor character development 3: super mid acting by almost all the ancillary characters. David Dastmalchian did well but the script was so underwhelming, the devil girl Ingrid Torelli was super engaging but again, nothing to do and Laura Gordon was believable uttering dumb dialog. 4: ridiculous (maybe purposely so ) effects. The grand guignol ending, I admit was cool and different but too little too late. I am dumbfounded why this movie has like a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. What the f*k??
"The Grove" like all things in this movie (ie the pyschic debunker being James Randi) is "Bohemian Grove." A real life 'cult' of powerful people who meet to worship the owls once a year. Theres like, thoudands of members. In reality it's just a way for them to form connections. Carson would have been a part of it. It is mentioned several times over the course of the movie, generally regarded as a place if debauchery (which it was). They show you pictures if it, it's just a bunch of old farts floating in a pond. Obviously they don't summon demons, and one wasn't summoned live on air in 77.
Well didn’t they say in the beginning if a particular ritual was done and witnesses all who witnesses will fall victim to it? That would be why all of this happened on tv?
The Grove t is a real place and real group that actually hold real gatherings and rituals. The film was inferring he made a deal to sacrifice something for his success and that's why his wife died.
Just saw it in theaters, it was refreshing to see a good horror film with a unique concept opposed to the majority of horror films that come out that are all the same…
I took from the movie that the Grove group and the group that the child came from are one and the same. Especially seeing the leader in his full outfit standing out from everyone else in the crowds, I have a strong feeling that's how the child would know Jack from the "tall trees"
I really loved this film!! This blew my mind a lot, mostly thanks to the way it played out and the way it ended I loved! It was so good and so satisfying!
Great vid guys as always. I hated this one, the acting was great as well as the cinematography but it did nothing different/new. I rewatched repossessed for the twentieth time with Leslie Nielsen to make up for this travesty, it did a better job of the devil wanting to be televised. This was late night without the devil. Not scary and predictable
My only complaint about this movie is they should've hid Jack's involvement of being in the cult in the beginning of the movie.... It would've served for a good plot twist, especially if Jack was portrayed as someone who is a skeptic about the supernatural and uses his return to the show as a way to be playful at the idea of supernatural things going on during Halloween season.
In addition to pre screenings in theaters, a lot of film critics are offered screener copies in advance for certain movies to help build hype for the movie's release. I've actually watched a pirated movie or two that had bands of text on the bottom saying "pre screener copy, do not distribute." For the record, I don't stand behind pirating, and haven't done so in years. Artists deserve to be paid for their work.
I wanted to know the consensus on the movie, but I didn't want any spoilers yet. So I had to skip to the last minute of the video. I will revisit after I've actually seen the movie.
The Exorcist was also ambiguous in terms of why Pazuzu decided to infest Regan. For horror it’s not always great to over explain things lest it fall into standard tropes from the genre.
100% accurate. I couldn’t imagine a scene in which Linda Blair/Mercedes McCambridge go on a monologue about how Ellen Burstyn had no religious beliefs and that made Regan the perfect vessel to lure Karras and Merrin to perform the exorcism in order to…yeah, no thanks. I’ll take the ambiguity and experience the same chaos and mystery that the characters feel.
I think his wife was the sacrifice he made for his fame. That’s why she shows up. He was willing to sacrifice the thing he loved the most for fame. She knew he did it. He seemed to want the power from the grove but didn’t really believe anything bad would happen. I think in that way it is very true to life. People are willing to play around with things they don’t fully believe in.
