I am a Circassian from Turkey. I also have colored eyes and fair skin. I have many Circassian friend in Jordan and Syria. Circassians were a warrior people. Therefore, the Ottomans placed the Circassians on this route to protect the Hejaz railway. Many Circassians still live in the Arabian deserts.
They're no longer deserts, and they're certainly not Arabian deserts, especially in Jordan. When they arrived the deserts had no one in them except for nomads looking for water, and tribe scouts looking for caravans to raid, nobody lived where the cherkess were placed, amman had 10000 cherkassians by 1890 according to the travler/explorer Robinson Luis Not to mention that Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, and Syria were ruled by Cherkassian sultans during the late 1300's
Lawrence plays it wrong here. He should have looked down and seemed submissive, instead of meeting the Turk's gaze. That gesture placed them as equals and intrigued the Turk, to no good end (as the next scene reveals).
"As the next scene reveals..." I just saw this on the big screen (August 2024), and the next scene was JUST the cane-beating. No soul-rending scream heard by Ali as he lurked in the dark, waiting. No Lawrence breaking down in shattered sobbing after Ali rescues him. Just...a beating. WTH??? The implied "occurrence" in the prison had a MAJOR impact on Lawrence's character in the movie. And it's...gone???
Title: "Laurence of Arabia was Circassian" No, he wasn't. The Turk *assumed* he was Circassian because he had light skin, but spoke Arabic and dressed like a Bedu. It didn't occur to him that a European spy could be found in that place and time.
Yes. Whomever posted this missed the intrigue of the entire scene! Lawrence was spying in Syria and came up with this cover story in the film. Lawrence was English. Omar Sharif as Ali called him "English" many times in the film. Whomever DjaMirze - Circassian, most likely - should correct this ridiculous error.
@@yugster78 No, he singled him out because he was sexually attracted to light-skinned, fine-featured men. If he had assumed that Lawrence was a British spy, he wouldn't have released him after having him whipped for resisting the sexual advances.
@@seikibrian8641 People who went to Deraa to inquire into this matter said that it couldn't have happened the way Lawrence described it. Lawrence himself left an intriguing hint. He wrote his own dispatches and that said if more Officers wrote their own dispatches there would be many more awards given. His description of the event reads like Gay Stroke literature. There were scars on Lawrence's body. Something happened, it probably didn't happen in Deraa the way Lawrence told it. The Governor lived on for many years and it was felt that was not his style.
Earlier today this scene was read to me from his L.O.A Autobiography.via youtube and this movie scene barely depicts the scene described in his book. L.O.A. is an incredible movie experience. Thank you for posting.
He said in this scene that he was Circassian to hide his real identity. Still, he was British and the English spelling of his name is Lawrence, always!!! Ask English military men or language professors, ( as I am one, too) and you will always get the same answer. Read his book in English and get familiar with his life and career. Also, how can you correct my spelling of his name when you are not even able to use the English grammar correctly!LOL!
I got an old copy of his book from the local antiques, unfortunately not an original, 3rd edition. It's called "Lawrence and the Arabs" in a green hardback binding.
Lawrence of Arabia was VERY English. Thomas Edward Lawrence was born16 August 1888 and died 19 May 1935. He was a British archaeologist, army officer, diplomat, and writer, who is most famous for uniting the Arab Tribes in an army to fight the German occupation of Arabia. He was hugely successful.
@@alephmorricone7207 Yes .It is very nice story .He started his legendary work in Turkish Arab world at age 27 .I'm also 27 but what I have done compare with Lawrence ???Are you English?.
It wasn’t a smear as people are suggesting. Lawrence himself wrote about it. It seems unlikely that a male in those days would cry rape unless it actually happened. There was no good that could’ve possibly come of it. The scene also seems to suggest that the Turkish bey had a type. Everyone in the lineup up had Caucasian features and light skin. Each time I watch the movie or read 7 pillars, the more I believe Lawrence.
Actually he was not a Circassian. in the movie he claimed he was, only to save his skin. Historians also dispute the fact that he actually went deep into Turkish controled lands, and got captured , they do not think that he was captured at all. some historian also think that he was gay, and had an Arab Shik male lover.
Stipe Nazorin Claro que no era circasiano, pero como los turcos habían puesto precio a su cabeza, y él pensó que lo habían capturado por que lo reconocieron, dejó que creyeran que era un circasiano antes que Lawrence, lo hubiesen matado....
Hahahahhahahah this movie is nonsense their re millions of blue eyed turks even arabs even people in outer mongolia have blue and green eyes why do europeans think we are enamoured of it most of my family have blue eyes i have green its no big deal Its so easy to get a european women by saying about their blonde or red hair they think its special and are flattered
@@Wanderer628 no I have coloured eyes dark skin and hair my family have light skin blue green eyes admitedly immaternally half english . but im talking about my paternal side who are persian .it is a fact europeans have a fascination and think they are the only ones who havbee light skin or eyes iv seen mongols with green eyes and blond hair lol also theirs a large proportion of turks and leventine arabs wirth blue eyes etc . Im not married what I was saying was its easy to flatter a european woman about hair blonde hair or blue eyes I even got away from a policewoman by flattering her about her bue eyes lol made her blush smile and let me go .also if anything euriopean men have more of a propensity to. honosexuality especially the bue eyed blonde ones they look and act effeminate turned so many down as im not a homosexual lol
what I was saying is it wouldnt be rare for a turk to have or have family with green or blue eyes its common in turkey the levant iran northetn pakistan tajikistan Kurdistan uzbekistan etc etc the only time iv seen these type of people act strangely is when they see africans they want to touch their hair lol
@@afyonafyon8689 What would cause you to believe that a certain man couldn't have a preference for blond men, just because they're not rare? I know men who are attracted to men with beards, bald men, tall men, etc. It has nothing to do with rarity, it's just what they like best.
@@afyonafyon8689 It was the unlikely combination of Lawrence's dress, eye color, behavior, and speech (Arabic, likely with an accent not quite right for the locality, or perhaps his pretended low social class) that gave him away. No one factor did it. His "cover" was strong enough to let him "pass" as he wished on the trail and in camp, but could never stand the up-close scrutiny of a perceptive, suspicious Turkish officer. If he thought it would, he was a fool. One cannot re-create in mere weeks or months a bundle of habits, gestures, slang, etc. that it takes natives an entire childhood and young manhood to develop.
Effendi or effendy (Turkish: efendi [eˈfændi]; Ottoman Turkish: افندی, romanized: afandi; originally from Medieval Greek: αφέντης [aˈfendis]) is a title of nobility meaning sir, lord or master, especially in the Ottoman Empire and the Caucasus. The title itself and its other forms are originally derived from Medieval Greek aphentēs which is derived from Ancient Greek authentēs meaning lord.[1] It is a title of respect or courtesy, equivalent to the English Sir. It was used in the Ottoman Empire and Byzantine Empire. It follows the personal name, when it is used, and is generally given to members of the learned professions and to government officials who have high ranks, such as bey or pasha. It may also indicate a definite office, as hekim efendi, chief physician to the sultan. The possessive form efendim (my master) was formerly used by slaves, and is commonplace in formal discourse, when answering the telephone, and can substitute for "excuse me" in some situations (e.g. asking someone to repeat something).[2] In the Ottoman era, the most common title affixed to a personal name after that of agha was efendi. Such a title would have indicated an "educated gentleman", hence by implication a graduate of a secular state school (rüşdiye), even though at least some if not most of these efendis had once been religious students, or even religious teachers.[not verified in body] Lucy Mary Jane Garnett wrote in the 1904 work Turkish Life in Town and Country that Ottoman Christians, women, mullahs, sheiks, and princes of the Ottoman royal family could become effendi, a title carrying "the same significance as the French Monsieur" and which was one of two "merely conventional designations as indefinite as our 'Esquire' has come to be [in the United Kingdom]".[3] The Republican Turkish authorities abolished the title circa the 1930s.[4]
