You should cover what happens when people don't comply with the legal requirements of testimony. You talk about how people are obligated to turn over evidence all the time, or how they are compelled to testify, but I want to hear how they are compelled to comply. (Hopefully that made sense.)
I was kind of floored by how literally everyone in this documentary seems to have some sort of criminal history, but then I remembered that this is peak Florida
Literally the only person who lives in FL is Carol Baskin. The rest is the shit that ends up here thus creating Florida Man. Not many folks FROM here act like that. We know better.
His sponsers are always so classy. Suits, high end coffee, education. Just once I want to see Devin do an ad for like, raid shadow legends, or that "manscaping" trimmer or something.
Classifying them as 1099 independent contractors more than likely. Also shields him from liability for respondeat superior in theory (since usually employers are not liable for the acts or omissions of ICs.)
@@unorthodoxromance254 He might also be officially paying them more than minimum wage, but then immediately deducting most of it to cover their room and board.
Ya it might have something to do with them living there. If he is providing them with housing and food it might make a difference. Hell Carole gets away with paying them nothing. Not sure it is much different than wait staff getting paid less and having to make it up in tips. Not sure how that is legal either.
Just here to point out that Jeff Lowe had licensing issues in my home county in SC. Also tried to fight the Marine Corps Air Station over noise from the F32Bs because heaven forbid his tigers have to deal with the stress from plane engines instead of taking them to a sanctuary away from people and machines.
@@SeraphsWitness No, libertarians believe that they can do whatever they want because they think they can do whatever they want to other people. They dislike government because almost all the rules are against them from abusing their fellow countrymen and they resent that. When they get retaliated because of their transgressions, they always whine about how unfair it is and why the government didn't intervene.
@@gelinrefira that's a really poor interpretation of liberal morality. They believe in one rule, the NAP. The non aggression principle. None of what you said would be morally acceptable to a libertarian. There's plenty to critique about libertarians. But what you've said is rubbish.
Saff might have a checkered past, but he's the most reasonable person on the show. 😭 The most reasonable person on the show got his arm bit off by a tiger and went back to work the next week! 😳
has a bottle of whiskey "I need something stronger then this" me: Sweet mother of the south, are you gonna go for moon shine? Him: Like free trade coffee me:Oh, that works too
@@jmgerraughty I haven't watched it, lol but meth would have also worked since we are talking about the south here, although...I imagine that sponsorahip would be VERY DIFFERENT LOL
@Urazz I don't know booze, but don't u put like Irish cream in coffee? I only know it exists because of archer, just to highlight my ignorance of alcohol
@@itzhen7032 Somehow, I KNEW he was a weeb the moment I saw him. Stereotypes aren't always true but it's a little funny when they are. When I saw the katana accusation, I was like: "Why am I not even a little surprised? Ofcourse he did."
Please do House MD gets lawyered, inspired by this text post from Tumblr: "My new and extraordinarily niche writing project is a fic for every episode of House, M.D. (2004).These fics will narrate the malpractice lawsuit(s) following the events of each episode. I’m calling the series Court-House and I will not be accepting criticism on that point"
I've an orthopedic surgeon but did about 10 years in the ED/ICU, and I can't think of anything that I want to watch more than what you just described. I'm a normal human, until I watch a House episode, and then I suddenly become a person who yells incredulously at the TV.
I have an aneurism every time I see a medical drama. When my uncle died, my aunt said “I watch house, I know what’s going on” when people were talking to her about what they were doing in the ER. He died of a drug overdose, and she had no clue what was going on.
OBJECTION: You said that he shouldn't record his lawyer because in some one-party consent states the attorney would have a right to privacy. I think you meant to say two-party consent states.
I am so surprised while not being surprised at all that two of the seemingly most good nature (or atleast seemingly good nature) of the cast also had checkered pasts of their own. I would not have expect that out of Saff. Finding out that Josh's most infamous case involved a literal attack with a real samurai sword completely re-designs that character for me. Then again, it just means that he fits so much more in this cast of characters now than he did before. Literally everyone in this show has such an interesting and weird backstory.
Jchrispole people learn to put on a good front I know many felons and I first looks many you'd want to be friends with causse they seem so sweet and put together
Josh's crimes involving assault with a katana was the least surprising thing I've ever heard. He is the definition of a neckbeard. Saff's crimes were a little surprising, but given none of them were violent crimes and 'weapons possession' in Oklahoma when he worked with Joe Exotic.... Still probably the least awful person on the show.
There was a scene that basically said that Joe would intentionally seek out people who had just gotten out of prison and were looking for a job. However much truth there is to that I have no idea, but if it is true, it makes the various criminal histories of his employees unsurprising.
@@sbushido5547 wasn't there a scene where ine of his staff said a guy had been sleeping at the bus station and Joe went to hire him? People that down on their luck are the ones who will think a dirty trailer, all the expired meat they can eat, and petting tigers is a gold mine.
Hey man, I love your content. Your even temper and witty transitions into ads are fantastic. You worked hard to become a lawyer, and it's clear that your youtube content is made with the same level of dedication. Thanks so much. I can't wait for the next episode!
Thank you for pointing out the documentary had an agenda in making carol look like a murderer and left out a lot of facts about the disappearance and Big Cat Rescue.
I don't think there was an agenda, I mean the adviserial accusation and drama was there, so its natural for it to be explored. In the end for me I wasn't convinced that she killed her husband, it was just a piece of juicy intrigue that any sane rational individual should be able to place in proper contect of Law & Order. Unfortunatly everything everywhere is dealt into nonsensical camps and sides, so I'm dumbfounded how people swallowed the self serving arguments Joe had which I though the documentry eluded to be Very silly.
@@slitor The information of her husbands information was known by the time the documentary was made, no way was it accidentally left out. This was left out to create a false equivalency and to create this "one shitty person vs another" narrative. Maybe not a political bias but definitely purposefully obscuring the truth to create cheap drama.
So um...*maybe* she didn't kill her husband but its apparently plausible enough that it's been a long-standing almost joke in the animal world for AGESSSSSSS. Also she is, in fact, batshit.
@@TheInkblot101 Animal world? You mean the Aphex Predator trading world in USA, that has some pretty adverserial relationship between the actors. If Carol Baskin continued as she began. trading/breeding... no one would have made a fuss about it at all.
@@TheLumberjack1987 Yeah... I think the people in charge of the documentary didn't really care wether Carol killed her husband or not, neither did did they care about how the way they presented her may affect her life. I still think she seems to be a shitty person, though, if anything because she's crazy rich and asks her employees to work for free.
Would love to see you do a review on Star Trek Deep Space 9. S1 Ep 8: Dax. There's the character Dax on the show that is joined with a symbiote. Long story short, she's the target of an extradition request for a crime the previous holder of the symbiote is accused of. The defense used is that she is essentially a deferent person and the extradition isn't for her, the counter is that the two are essentially joined and can remember everything from the previous lives. I'd also like to hear how you'd rule on the hearing since there isn't a final ruling (things happen.)
I like how you're such a lawyer, that even tho you dont specifically state your opinion we can still get a general idea of what your opinion is. ie. Carol did not kill her husband, Joe burned his own studio, Doc Antle was raided because hes a p.o.s.
@@williamcurtis2145 there's also a lot of evidence omitted that points to innocence, because her husband had a habit of lying down to Costa Rica for one specific week of the month, there were reports that Carol baskets husband was dealing with the Costa Rican mob because he wanted to move big cat rescue there, and more.
@@hariman7727 yeah, to be honest his rags to riches success story sounds a lot like he made his fortunes in illegal ways. But, who knows? I don't care enough to investigate.
The most "lawyer" part of the video for me: *watches a lawyer heavily imply Joe should destroy the reality show footage* Legal eagle: 'wow! I can't believe Joe violated attorney-client privelage!!"
What I want to know is can the doc footage be used against them? Or can they say they just said those things to make the doc more interesting? I mean you cant charge an actor when he threatens someone in a movie.
Would've makes sense Would of makes no sense Another pet peeve: try and "I'm going to try and go to the store before they close." The correct phrase would be "try to" but "try and" had infected or language to the point that even professional writers don't ever give it a second thought. It's up there with "I could care less" and "irregardless". And then there's the idiots who don't know the meaning of the word "decimate". The word you're looking for is "devastate". If you decimate your enemies, then 90% survived. That might be a significant military defeat, but it's not catastrophic.
I am so glad that I saw these videos, I was really losing hope when literally everybody I saw was 100% buying that Carole killed her husband and that she was no better than Joe. It's honestly crazy that editing can give results like this, and it really makes me think that these types of documentaries are dangerous.
And honestly? Even if you do no other outside research on the situation, it’s pretty easy to see the Carole and Joe are not comparable. If you have more than two brain cells and elect to use them for more then five seconds, that is.
The show was a little disengenious about displaying the grinder, about reminding everyone the police didn't check it. In 1997 they didn't have the massive one shown on the show. They apparently only had a small table top grinder. And to those who think she did kill him, grind him up and feed him to tigers. They only owned one tiger at the time, the rest were bobcats and cougars. Also the act would have taken a lot of time and effort to do so. But Don was missing a day before being reported missing. The speculation is that Carole was super calculated and efficient about removing all the evidence. Yet she did t think to wait the weekend at least. Doesn't match up.
Ya these legal eagle commentaries on Tiger King have saved my sanity too. I also liked Jackson Galaxy's "Tiger King Fail" video. Reading intelligent, calm responses from people trying to be objective and dig at the truth of the matter has also restored my faith in humanity lol. And a lot of people also point out that the plight of the big cats themselves got lost in all the sensationalism...seeing that has also made me feel better.
She is no better than Joe. Aside from her husband, she is petitioning the government to regulate her direct competition out of existence, meanwhile running a zoo with big cats that turn a profit.
Love LeagalEagle and as someone who works in the filmmaking industry I must say that his videos are really beautifully lit. Who ever did/does the lighting deserved a massive high five and a pat on the back
Here’s a legal question: If Joe Exotic’s lawyer were brought to court for conspiracy to commit arson, could he also be charged with several counts of some kind of animal cruelty for the alligators that burned to death in the inferno? Does conspiracy extend to other crimes resulting from the initial act you helped plan?
Only in very specific cases, one example being felony murder. If you conspire to commit a felony, and a murder happens during the felony, you can be charged with felony murder whether or not you were directly involved in either. I believe that on paper this requires you to reasonably know that murder could be committed during the felony.
It sounded like his lawyer was phrasing what he said in a very deliberate way to avoid culpability if Joe was recording him and tried something stupid. The lawyer could argue that he was trying to tell Joe to purchase or make some kind of deal for the recordings since there was only one set of copies. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer was anticipating Joe trying to secretly record him at some point.
Objection. You said at 4:43 "if this is a 1 party consent state, you might be violating their right to privacy." Wouldn't that be backwards? If it was a 1 party consent state, he wouldn't be violating? If it was a 2 party consent state, and he recorded it without permission, then it would be a violation? - Confused law student
I think he clearly misspoke, I think he did as well at the end saying joe is serving his sentence concurrently, it’s my understanding that they are consecutive
In regards to Lowe's acquisition of GW, I suspect Joe's intention was to treat the entire affair as another fraudulent transfer, with the added bonus of the transfer going to a partner with considerably more capital to fund and expand the operation. What Joe did not anticipate was that Lowe was going to take the opportunity to take on the asset as a yielding investment, and shut Joe out. Which, was easy to do once the whole attempted murder scenario played out. It could be argued (and in fact, I think the show does make this argument) that Lowe's intentions with Joe were precisely that. That Joe got played, legally and expertly.
I think Jeff is smart. Find successful people, treat them like a friend, film everything. When they have their guard down chances are they will eventually say something incriminating. Looking back even I could have had success doing this.
I love how Joe complains that he got "conned" by Lowe. Usually conning implies that the person manipulated you into acting some way. Really, Lowe was just smart enough to realize that Joe's a moron and will doing something stupid without any manipulation lol. He literally asked Lowe if Allen could murder Carol!!!
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In short, it was a fraudulent transfer from Joes side of things, but not from Lowes.
What about Howard? The worst anyone had to say about him was about his weird wedding photos, but who hasn't had some harmless silly fun with loved ones in their life?
Well domestic distribution can be tricky to judge at first sight. Who knows his partner may have been the instigator in that altercation. Well never really know.
Me when I first heard about Tiger King: There's no way this is real. There's no way people would act this crazy on camera. Me when I found out it was legit: So the crazies all met up.
I don't get how that's a warning sign. Libertarians just want less government involvement. If he said he was an Anarchist, well that's a different story. But those are different things.
I'm very glad that in the first part, you mentioned the lawyer saying he's never heard of anyone bringing up disappearance in their will before, because I was a bit surprised that this was supposedly so unusual when it really doesn't seem that far-fetched to me that someone would anticipate such a possibility (especially since the whole point of a will is to make things easier for both the family/friends and the lawyers, so why wouldn't you be as thorough as possible?). Another thing I'm curious about, especially in light of your explanation of how "true threats" are not protected by free speech, is how Joe Exotic got away with publicly making so many very explicit murder threats, and generally inciting violence against his enemies. I mean, I get that you might be inclined to dismiss them as jokes or speaking out of anger (although not sure if that last one would have any legal value), but when it's so repeated and clearly very serious, there's a point where you can no longer pretend it's anything other than a genuine threat. If nothing else, surely that constitutes harassment?
Thank you for watching Tiger King and giving me the cliff notes version so I don't have to sit through it. Someone needs to send you a strong drink for your hard work.
Wow, I read the link from Big Cat Rescue. Netflix really did Carol Baskins dirty. Seems like she was totally misrepresented. She definitely has a right to be angry.
You're reading the response straight from her, though. You're getting both sides of a very biased (because of legal reason) story. I'm sure its a mix of both rather than one or the other. I don't trust the doc and I definitely don't trust Carole.
I love the look at the end when he looks at the bottle and is like "Shoot! I really want to drink this now but I set up this really good segue to the sponsor of this video. Damn, I’ll just get this done then I’ll drink the whole bottle and never watch that show again."
Objection. Judge I would argue that I am in fact a “cool” cat and or kitten. Lmao I love your videos. I have my paralegal certification and your breakdown entertains me so much. But now I find myself doing this with almost everything I watch so ty for that lol.
do you think you would ever do an episode reacting to legal cases in grey’s anatomy (there are quite a few cases and/or legal related episodes/plot arcs i think you could be interested in, not even solely related to medical malpractice, but that might be the most relevant thing to focus on considering the show i guess)? i think that could be interesting, potentially. thanks for doing a second video on this. also, i’m so sorry you did a second video on this.
I think people who really think Carol killed her hubby tend to forget that... Don flew planes illegally, because he was bad at it and got his pilot's license taken away...and was allegedly lending money to the costa rican mob... and his ex-wife just really hated carol because she thinks she didn't get enough money when they split...
The law works perfectly when i get a parking ticket or a similar fine, and then you've people like this with countless infractions/crimes left seemingly unchecked.
Personally I don't like her, but that does not mean that she is guilty of murder. She may be guilty, but there is ton of evidence that was not in the documentary, so making a clear call is simply not an option.
Same. I mean. You can’t prove she killed her husband. But you can (and a court did) show that Joe tried to have her killed. Also it feels like the filmmakers cherry picked interviews and pushed the narrative that she did it. Do I know if she did it or if she didn’t? No. No one does. But the directors just wanted to push the entertaining conspiracy that she did.
Devin said in the last episode that she acquired copyright to pictures Joe had used, and then sued him for violating the copyright. Devin called it clever, but I think that's a pretty scummy thing to do.
I think how Carole Baskin disposed of a body without leaving evidence is the biggest argument for how she couldn't have killed her husband. Sorry, tigers aren't vacuum cleaners, and plenty of murderers have been caught because the body was too much to dispose of. "She put him in the septic tanks." With nobody else seeing her? She called to have a septic tank installed, she waited until they dug the hole (and was doing what with the body during that time?), dumped the body down there, and not only did no one see her dumping the body into the septic tank hole, none of the septic tank workers saw the body? That is a LOT to buy. "She cut him up and fed him to the tigers." Where? And how badly would that area light up under a UV light or blacklight? Bleach won't get rid of it. Tarp, maybe, but again: no records of purchasing a tarp or saws? No one saw her up late at night? C'mon. "She just fed him to the tigers." Again, tigers would have left traces of bone, and blood would be EVERYWHERE. Not only that, how would a woman handle a body by herself without smearing evidence everywhere? "She threw him in the swamp." Lots of bodies have been discovered dumped into rivers and swamps. Sorry. Just because a body gets dumped doesn't mean it's erased from existence. "The police did a shitty job!" That is the only cogent counter argument to this. If the cops were worse at doing their job than Carole Baskin was at doing hers, she could've gotten away with being horrifically sloppy. But all it takes is a competent police and forensic force to solve that problem, and somehow that's not jumping out of the woodwork.
Blood doesn't light up in UV, that's semen. Blood is BLACK in UV, it only glows when sprayed with Luminol. Stop watching so much Law and Order and actually read up on real forensics.
Indeed especially on your last point I must admit that I would tend to find it far more credible that officers or detectives would miss something in an interview, but the idea that the forensic teams would completely miss any trace of any part of the body when given the resources that are budgeted to them for investigating a case as serious as murder is harder to believe. The fact is that 80+ kg of blood, tissue and bone is a hell of a lot and these professional scientists need merely find as little as a few micrograms of that literally a few cells out of the many trillions get missed and that is all that is needed to leave evidence behind and these professionals will find it if it is there, they are after all scientists by nature trained to investigate everything with all the tools available to discover the truth.
@@Ramund223 Even so it is unlikely that the process would be entirely clean, blood, tissue and microscopic bone fragments too small to be visible even to the vision of a tiger would likely remain and thus tests for the presence of such would return positive. It is not like the tiger is even trying to avoid leaving forensic traces that it ate dinner after all it has no reason to be careful to the nigh on impossible degree required to avoid leaving some trace evidence behind,.
You rely on a lot of assumptions and very specific circumstances for your scenarios. It's very easy to assume that the hole for the septic tank was dug on one day, and the tank installed on another. The body could've been dumped between and a foot of dirt thrown on top. I'm not saying it's likely, just possible. Being fed to the tigers would be extremely easy. Tigers and other big cats do eat bones just like your dog, and even if they didn't all that would be left is a carcass that can easily be disposed of. Domestic cats eat mice and birds whole with no problem digesting them. Big cats evolved to eat prey much bigger than people, so I doubt there would be much trouble. And just because there are no records of a tarp or saws being purchased doesn't mean that they weren't purchased. If I go to Home Depot and buy something with cash and throw away the receipt, there's no record. Nobody seeing her doesn't amount to much. Did anybody see you the last time you picked your nose? You're trying to deal in absolutes when there is no way to definitively say one way or another. Things happen without witnesses all the time. Also are you arguing that there would just be pools of blood? Have you ever seen a dog or cat eat something spilled? They kinda are like vacuum cleaners that clean up as much as they can. It's especially easy when you give yourself a couple days to clean up any mess that remains, and then say it's against your attorney's advice to have police search the property. Rain would help too. Remember, they're kept in outdoor pens. Not cement rooms where blood has nowhere to go. There are also plenty of bodies that haven't been discovered in rivers or swamps. It depends on when people start looking and local wildlife. They aren't erased from existence, they're eaten by scavengers and go back into the circle of life just like all the dead animal bodies in nature. This is also made easier when nobody is looking for it. You're trying to definitively say that she couldn't have killed her husband, but your reasoning is through a very narrow lens and full of holes. You're jumping to conclusions without fully thinking through the possibilities either due to bias or a lack of imagination. And while it may be true that she couldn't move his body alone, when you have millions of dollars at your disposal you can find help real easy. She also could've killed him in the tiger pen and let nature take its course. I'm not saying she defiantly killed him, but she and O.J. could probably compare notes
Don supposedly owed Cartels money, it's likely they got rid of him. I think that Carol knew about it but kept quiet so she could keep the money. Poor wording of documentation there regarding Joe's campaign manager. A Katana is a Samurai sword, two-handed. Ninjas don't use them because they're too large.
I have to admit that that one bothered me too. It shouldn’t because it doesn’t really matter, but a katana and a ninja-to are completely different weapons with different construction and design philosophy. It’s like calling a station wagon a pickup truck.
@@andrewjohnson6716 ninjas would normally use the Wakizashi, which is pretty much just a short katana. Easier to carry around, especially on the back because it's smaller and quicker to draw
Apparently it was Josh Dial's uncle and he was protecting his grandma, because his uncle was high on meth. Also let's not forget this was right after he saw Trevor kill himself.
Hey legal eagle, long time fan. I'm finishing up my second year at law school and my summer plans have been upended. Any chance you need fledgling eagle in the nest? As in, an intern.
Public: and what makes you qualified to be a governor, Mr. Exotic? Exotic: I've been linked with murder, I should be in prison, and I'm a terrible person Public: yep, you're qualified.
I feel like I'm Carols case this entire show borders on Defamation. When you look into the truth behind not only the people accusing her but how deceptively the show itself portrayed big cat rescue and her relationship with her husband, it's honestly horrible what this show did to her and her reputation.
Objection! When you said, "if this is a one-party consent state" I think you meant to say, "two-party." Wouldn't a one-party consent state only require Joe's consent?
I was reeeaaally hoping he would address some of the legal issues around how the animals were cared for. At the very least, I would have liked to know more about all the EPA violations Joe was convicted on.
I have something you could cover: ABC's "For Life" where Aaron Wallace becomes a lawyer to prove his innocence because of a crime he did not commit. Any episode is fine.
Did you see Josh in the follow up episode? That dude was so high on opiates/heroin it was not even funny. I love how he even made a point to say how he does not do drugs while his eyes were glossed over with heavy eyelids trying not to nod out... priceless (as a recovered addict myself, 10 years+ recovered, I can say the possibility he was high as a kite is VERY high).
We also need to get our local, municipal, county and state laws amended having private ownership of big cats and cub handling made illegal. The cubs are too young to have all of their necessary vaccinations while they are still small enough to be handled.
“He was supposed to be the voice of reason in the show, but he had a checkered past as well” I mean, doesn’t everybody in this show? The entire situation was so ridiculous that any so-called “voice of reason” would necessarily come with several asterisks.
katana are not ninja swords, they were samurai swords. ninja clans made their own weapons. these did include swords, but those were easier to conceil and a bit more practical to use then a full length katana
@@Quinntus79there were other swords, with different names. the wakisashi comes to mind. worn in the Daisho. and a bastard sword as the west know it would more likely be named tsurugi. in japanese there is no one word for sword. Ken comes close as it can refer to many type a sword, but usually refers to ceremonial blades. also that is where Kendo gets it's name. ken do, way of the sword.
