When the US is the main supporter of the mass mu rd3r and war cr ymes, then you know, it's a special exception and media propaganda ensues. Israel has a lot of money to lobby Western "democ racies"
The trouble with the 35,000 figure for the death toll is that it's out of date and it never included those who died under the rubble. With the destruction of hospitals, infrastructure and methods of communication, that figure could be much higher. I'd believe it could be 100k.
@michaelopoku4837 If you truly believe that I really doubt there is any hope. These are the same IDF that targeted aid workers journalists and churches. I am sure they informed everyone to leave
@@deborahroberts2530not true, that’s misinformation that’s being peddled… the figures are exactly the same as the “half” figures you alluded too is the fully documented & ID verified… people, please read the actual reports rather than being spoon-fed by these “media” outlets…
“We intended to benefit from this, but never intended to subject ourselves to the same rules as everyone else” -The USA, leader of the ‘Rules based’ international system
The 2nd caller was honestly scary. It's okay to destroy homes, schools and hospitals because the IDF had the morality to drop leaflets beforehand? Well whoopdeedoo!
@@danielsgames8810 Don't forget the sewer pipes, and graves(they avoided the Jewish ones). You know cause there might be a base in the pipes and coffins 🤷🏿♂️
"I think Israel has the most moral army in the world". "Why?" "Because I trust them. "Why do you trust them?" "Because they are so moral." And there you have it. The circle of logic is complete.
How about because they help protect civilians, feed their enemy. And why does no one talk about the so called hamas soldiers dressed as civilians - war crime. Or the so called civilians that came out into the street, to stamp on the bodies of the abducted, to cheer and jeer at the atrocities of hamas.
@@CormacTunstead Unfortunately you are inevitably correct + All those that have been weakened by starvation, injury and trauma hence more susceptible to disease without clean water and sanitation. The final figures will be way way higher and should be put into evidence at the ICJ as the clear results of Is ra hell's inhuman policies.
Hamas agreed to a deal that would have freed hostages. Netanyahu said they would attack Rafah regardless of a deal, so the whole "All Hamas needs to do is free then hostages" is demonstrably false. Yet we get the same inane talking points over and over again.
So Hamas are cowards ?! The ones who de fighting without the aircrafts and armored vehicles and all those two thousand bombs and technology supplied by the US and the UK and Europe ?😂
We call people we morally disagree with cowards. Kidnapping women and assaulting them sexually, kidnapping children etc... we like to portray this as cowardly cause the alternative is to say these people are brave which is a but sickening really.
@vaughancreighton9994 yea, these words don't have country specific definitions. However, please don't stretch the definition of kidnapping ao that you can use for propaganda reasons.
@@wiredvibe1678 what do you call detaining someone for years without any trial or charge ?! Do you know that the Israelis even hold Palestinian corpses and refuse to give them back to their families to burry them ?! One man dead body has been held by the Israelis for 44 years , 44 YEARS HOLDING A DEAD BODY AND NOT GIVING IT BACK TO HIS FAMILY TO EVEN BURRY HIM , what do you call that ?!
If indeed you can even call it a war where one side is armed to the teeth with the latest western technology has night sights body armour surveillance equipment cameras drones satellites the latest air power navy tanks bulldozers bombs galore etc etc and the other has a few AK 47s and rocket grenades fire works and bare feet one sides civilians have no protection the other have the most expensive iron dome paid for by American taxes, and the IDF have the cheek to call the Palestinians cowards for not coming out in the open to face them. A bit like calling the Vietcong cowards for not facing the USA or the French resistance for not facing the Nazis straight on or the Algerians for not facing the French colonisers or the ANC for not directly facing the Western Armed White Apartheid regime! Can you guess which sides won in those examples after a long painful struggle? Those with right and justice on their side! If Israel wants peace it should cease following the Zionist Colonialist creed based on only those of the Jewish faith as being chosen and the unchosen Moslems and Christians are oppressed and driven out through death and destruction this way only creates more resistance. Give all ethnicities and religions equal rights across all land and allow those driven out to return. Once they have equal rights and hope violence will lose all oxygen and people will have a need to live not a need to die.
Its reported the structured that provided the numbers is not currently operating in Gaza + They are very strict in what they confirm as dead, not just missing, there is a lot of people with "unknown" status
I was going to say the same thing. With no foreign reporters allowed, and the healthcare completely destroyed, there's been no way to confirm deaths for months. But the bombing hasn't stopped, the shelling hasn't stopped, and famine is spreading. To say the death toll stopped at where it was in February is disingenuous from all these media members. It likely is near 100k at this point, and when it gets confirmed to be over 100k in a year or two when all of the information is finally known we shouldn't be surprised and we were complicit.
On the first caller he is right we been sitting at 35k for a few months now. They have been finding mass graves of Palestinians besides that how many people are under the rubble?
He said if hamas surrender and release hostages the war will stop ! He will not stop if all hostages released ! Remember the usa saying a pause in the fighting for hostage release not ceasefire
Israel has been paying out billions on propaganda and propagandists and yet every single statement from them just works against them and exposes them. Zionists refuse to show any remorse for the killing of 40000 whilst demanding sympathy for 1000. They really do not value Palestinian lives at all.
The UN knows it’s at least 10,000, so that’s at least a 45,000 death count and they have deliberately eliminated the health system so they can’t count the dead/ injured. I think it could be more like 60,000+ at this point killed.
IsraHell won't allow anyone to verify the facts or help the civilians e.g. targeting journalists & aid workers, & now even the International Criminal Court!
@@winnersfootballtv5517 the UN just admitted it can't identify about half the dead. Nobody has a clue. It's unlikely to be less than predicted, what with all the bombs and stuff
Listening to them less and less as they keep giving Israeli propaganda a platform. Multiple presenters have repeated unverified IDF claims as if they were facts. As far as I'm concerned it's like giving Nazis airtime and allowing them to try and justify their deeds - it is not worthy of air time, unworthy of being listened to.
I thought a few of the guys on LBC were aware of that and were questioning narrative but actually I'm not sure now ,especially when they other girl was let go for it. But I thought I saw many of them speaking out so I'm confused on their stance overall . Well I'm not British so idk how the look or lean in England society
1. The Throne of England colonized most of the world. 2. The Throne of England established Saudi Arabia in the Arabian Peninsula during the 1930s. 3. The Throne of England established the state of "Israel" in Palestine during the 1940s. 4. The Throne of England established the Thirteen Colonies in North America during the 1600s. 5. The Throne of England took over Hong Kong (in China) from the 1840s-1990s. 6. Then after the impact of such colonization is well established (and International Law finds such colonization to be a war crime) the English man refers to such corruption and warped criminal behavior to be: "the way of the world". 7. Free Palestine.
people who called have forgotten or do not know the history how Israel was created. Gaza is a refugee camp, where did Gazans come from? From other areas of now Israel, it was Palestinian land whatever Bible say so many years back. Palestinian have a right to ressit, would not anyone for their land, homes?
@@Dawah_HelpThe fact that both Israël and America followed the same playbook tells us that it had nothing to do with religion but everything with colonial ethno settlers
@@jeanlawley6483oh so that means that there is no war no dead ppl because they don’t exist. Have you lost your mind. By your logic all smelliest countries don’t exist because they were not there 300 years ago. How insane is that. I wish it was true that no ppl would be dead.
@kevinralph5305 Sure, hamas has not done a complete siege on Israel, has not targeted doctors,aid workers etc has not blocked or destroyed aid destined for civilians who desperately need it etc. All those crimes only Israel, the so called democracy with morals has committed.
@@danielsgames8810 tell me. If some guy tried to rob a bank and your family was there. If the robber grabbed a family member and used them as a human shield and the cops just killed them both. Would you shrug it off and say "well the cops had no choice"?
It got "stuck" there because of all the hospitals being destroyed, which were responsible for maintaining the records of the dead. People are still dying, it's just not being documented. In the same way that people dead under the rubble are not counted.
Yeah, we have seen them drag their morality through rivers of blood. We have heard them quote the torah endlessly, but is there a commandment they haven't broken. Immoral to the bone.
If people think giving up the hostages will stop netanyahu you are so wrong. Why do you think they refuse to give them up? They know its their only bargaining tool. Horrific for the hostages and their families of course. I don't agree with the actions of hamas, but neither to I agree with the treatment on gaza and the west bank by Israel for a number of years. How on earth does Israel think getting rid of hamas will be the end of it when there will be even more hatred on the Palestinian side which if you are the ones suffering the consequences of all this it will add to the hatred. This war is not the solution for long term peace for the future generations of Israel, it is simply lunacy.
We really must place ourselves mentally in the shoes of others. Imagine a country was set up on our soil by people saying it belongs yo them. Whether it does or it doesn't does not change the fact you as the now evicted person will not be at all happy about it. Then to be pushed the edge and treated badly how would you personally react? Hamas or no hamas if you have people who feel aggrieved by another their will always be the ability for future groups to be formed. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying think in a way where you are in their shoes and how humans behave in a psychological sense. Netanyahu is simply fueling the flames of hatred for a future government possibly 30 plus years down the road to deal with. Its extremely sad because nobody wins here. Neither side win. If your family or friends were killed by another nation would you be OK with that, or would you be angry? Of course Israel people have a right to be angry for the harms done to them. So too do the people of gaza.
Third caller - “take out Hamas at any cost….well not like that! No that’s not what I mean! I mean at every cost! Killing everyone is just fine! I don’t mean that though! Just at all costs!” He doesn’t even know that Netanyahu trashed a ceasefire agreement to get back all the hostages
As a South African, a country whose liberation armies were labeled as terrorists while fighting a minority government that was supported by the West I am reluctant to label any military until all sides are heard. Hostages must be freed so must Palestine be free.
In 2018 Israeli soldiers shot over 6,000 Palestinians. In many cases they were shot with illegal expanding ammunition. So, did the present iteration of this problem begin on 7th October 2023 (1,200 casualties) or March/Dec 2018 (6,000 casualties) Discus ??
And before anyone posts comments denying these facts just search the Internet for the United Nations reports into these particular human rights atrocities
@@normanmhaddix777Everyone that doesn't support Israel is a Hamas supporter...The UN was also a Saddam supporter...they lied about the absence of WMDs if you remember...
@ 1:30 the caller is right in this case. The reason why the number has been stuck at the 35000 mark for the past couple of weeks is mainly because the whole infrastructure for tracking and recording fatalities has utterly collapsed in Gaza. Additionally, missing persons are not accounted for, people buried under rubble are not accounted for, males of a certain age are not accounted for. Tally all of those extra people up, and you'll find that we're probably now approaching the 30000 mark in unaccounted deaths in addition to the 35000, as of this month. In addition, between then and now, even more people have been dying at an accelerated rate due to famine, untreated injuries, and and further killings and the figure will probably comfortably pass 100k fatalities when all is said and done.
Also: the 35K number is outdated and from a few months ago. A lot of the record keepers are dead and the infrastructure to track it is destroyed. Whwn the dust is settled the number is going to be way worse.
Can I ask what kind of justification is “well other people are doing it too” is?! I mean by that logic I can go and rob someone as long as other people have done it too 🤦🏽♀️ If we know its wrong we should stop doing it regardless. 🙌🏽🇵🇸🕊️
The figure 100K is when counting the dead AND injured. With ever reducing access to areas by Israel full count is unknown and at this point probably higher, and not all counts include the missing under rubble. So the number does shift even without BS propaganda downplaying it. The number of dead at about 35K is held to be a credible figure at this stage.
On the main point, Moral armies don't need a specific crime against taking civiliians to use as human shields which Israel does, was implemented 20 yrs ago and has had 30 convictions. Also recently an Israeli entire Battallion THOUSANDS of troops subject to sanctions for there actions in the West Bank and now redepolyed to Golan heights. It would have been 5, but the other 4 took disciplinary action to avoid the sanctions. That is not the record of a moral army, and that's not even scratching the surface, it isn't just the last 8 months, it has NEVER been a moral army.
That caller who said “at any cost” should think a little harder before he talks. I don’t think he knows that the Israeli govt has not reached any of its war objectives. The only way that hostages have been returned has been thru negotiation.
If the Israelis had had any kind of success they would not have had to return to Jabalia,Zeitun and Gaza City in order to attempt, once again to clear out Hamas. Their military aims have been largely an abject failure.
@@wiredvibe1678 Warsaw Ghetto, hmmm Natsy? Never again? Paid for by Western taxpayers, arms supplied by Western factories & diplomatic cover card ready to cash, emptying global goodwill & national reputations?
Ok, I condemn the Hamas actions on 7th Oct and wished they shouldnt exist. But isn't the Hamas supported and funded by Benjamin Netanyahu to counter the Fatah? According to the Times of Israel.
They probably are, but Hamas includes everything from policemen, street cleaners, civil servants all the way to Al Qassasm brigades... And we have no idea of they are making any distinction
I like to ask to the 2nd and 3rd callers do you and your family want to pay the price for what your country did to the Iraqi people 2003, I think it’s fair
it's funny when callers say "if hamas surrender , the israelis will stop" don't you even understand what the f are you saying ? the whole point is that you designated hamas as a terrorist group then you at the same time agree that israel should not stop until hamas surrenders. so if you hamas are terrorists, why would you use gaza as a hostage against them? you know hamas won't surrender at all, so what is the point in your argument? let all gazans die until hamas does what they won't ever do ? so let all gazans die ? those callers are literal monsters.
Would people who think Hamas should just give up, expect Britain to give up if France invaded in a way Israel has Palestine? I don't support Hamas, just wonder how people can imagine that it would be, if they were in that position.
Well because it’s an untenable situation. Donald Trump will be the next president by next year and will give the Israeli regime the green light to do what the Turks did to the Armenian people or what Rome did to the Carthaginians. So why should the Palestinians continue to support a regime that fails to ensure those two fates will not occur.
