League's Most Hated Champions (PART 2) | League of Legends 

14:14 you know, making a League's Most beloved/respected champs sounds like a really cool idea, especially in terms of originality seeing how it seems like most content creators and players alike always talk about what they hate about champs rather than talking about what they love. so it seems like cool untapped potential for a video.

My problem with Khazix is his passive says"I can go and pick a fight with you in your jungle and if your team doesn't rotate immediately, you will die.

1:54 Jax just gave up. I feel that.

The stats that a level 18 lulu with full items will give to a companion are as follows 64% movement speed (assuming you build shurelyas.) Gold value 2,528 65% attack speed (again assuming you build ardent) Gold value 1,625 167 on hit damage (with ardent) Gold value 4,175 686 health Gold value 1,831 Grand total of 10,159... That's more than I was expecting.

Ngl my hatred towards Pyke it's more a playstyle thing than his ultimate. I reeeeeeeeeally despise the way that 90% of the laning phase he just keeps Q'ing you and dashing away until you're low enough to ult.

Evelynn is fine, IMO, because her entire kit revolves around stealth. Not like Akshan, who has Evelynn passive for literally no reason except that he can.

I think that Jhin isn´t hated, because he can never play mindlessly, even when hes fed. His strenghs become stronger as he gets kills but it never makes his weaknesses much smaller. Having more AS does not change the fact he has to reload, he must always wait for the enemy to get damaged before he roots them with his W, his R will do more damage but he still has to predict his enemies to hit them at least twice and so on.

Hated or not every champ and their unique play style have aspects of balance, gameplay, and more. Irelia isnt a champ she's a fucking tumor in my game

Jhin is fun to play with, as and against. The most important reason is that everything he does is visually clear, hence it never feels unfair. There wasn't any laziness with his design. If he was designed the way hated Champs like Katarina and irellia were he wouldn't have a reload time, atk spd would work on him, he could spam out all 4 of his ult shots basically instantly, his w would be a harder to see and stun on its own.

Lulu's ultimate tilt is her laugh. That would piss off any cool headed player.

I honestly like having to play against evelyn since it forces my teammates to buy control words for once

cant hate quinn if you never play against one :)

Not gonna lie, I don't realy care about Lulu's polimorf as mucha as her 400+ shield every 5 secs, it's like the enemy had a shield bow permanently, said that i love to play her to me she feels like the most impactfull enchantress in the game and i like to have my homies back

As a Sylas player, I'm kind of surprised that Sylas is never mentioned. I feel like it must be a huge slap in the face to get juked, and then stunned for it, and even if you're winning the trade, to have him W you and flip it around. This is not even mentioning hitting 6 before you and using you're own ult, sometimes even better than your character can, to kill you. I also play a lot of Zoe. I might just be an asshole.

The only people who “ hate”playing against Cassiopeia is high mobility champions. High Mobility champions are literally running rampant in this game so as a Cassiopeia main any person who complains about her ground and plays high mobility gets NO pity.

Zoe not hated but I do get anxiety playing against her for the simple reason of one reason she can flash twice, sometime 3 times

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What ppl dislike: - point and click cc - kill reset mechanics - windwall. - too much mobility - invisibility/untargetability What ppl respect: - skillshots - squishy I can't think of more lol

people buying control wards for evelyn shouldn't be the primary way to play against her you just ward the camps and can guess some of the rest since she is revealed during her clear, i feel like if people did this they wouldn't complain as much i think its more important than control wards.

I will say I used to think Jhin was fun an interesting to go against, but the stats provided by collector have been making it more and more frustrating to play against him... That's not really his fault tho, it's more collector's fault and how great of a synergy it is with Jhin (In terms of stat-line AND passive).

I find it pretty unfair to compare Evelynn's stealth with all those invisibility abilities. Evelynn is NEVER invisible, she's always just camouflaged and is revealed in a huge area around her (it's impossible for her to pass by an enemy in the river without being seen for example). Stay in bushes or around corners instead of standing around in big areas where she can see you from afar and you'll be able to get easy surprise kills on her if you have good macro to know what she's likely doing. Also her laners' behavior can very often give her presence away, if they only walk up or start being aggressive when she's around. If you like playing mages mid I strongly recommend Lux and Cassio as both can react very fast to her and instantly put her in a very bad spot, be it Lux's Q (which will always cast and hit before Eve has the time to kill you) or Cassio's W.

The reason why we got Lulu Polymorph in the game is the same as why they kept fiddle point and click fear. To have something that reliably stops mobility of frustrating champs such as haha funny Katarina goes into all of my team 1v5 being 0/4 and getting a penta

"I dont think any assasin can build as many items as her" Me as a 5 years long rengar player : sir , i can literally makes liandries frozen heart force of nature rengar works

If I die to Jhin, it's because he was better than me. Better spacing, better skillshoting, better dodging, better use of vision, correct build for the game. Not overtuned or 200 years abilites make playing against him feel fair

As an immobile mage midlane main I say: GO CASSIOPEIA! More of her, please.

Man I respect Jhins because honestly if a Jhin wipes the floor with your team you know for a fact the Jhin hit all of his skill shots and was able to not die while reloading

I’m a pyke main (who’s next highest mastery is blitz and thresh), but you’re definitly right about the feed or carry but when you are with your duo, it’s absolutely beautiful. Getting first blood or just an early kill at lvl 2 or 3 just sets you and your adc up for the game and his roam potential is just amazing.

"those games when the pyke is a bigger threat than the adc" i always thought that i was the adc, i just let my support have minions so they can pay for food

I'm a plat 2 cassio one trick, and I won't complain about cassio being on this list cause I agree she annoying af but she absolutely does not counter yasuo, and if you're a yasuo player saying that, no offense but either you're really low elo or just awful at yasuo cause against yasuo this matchup is absolutely favored towards him

It amazes me how fast you can release these vids. Great job. Love your content.

As someone that is always looking for a reason to immerse myself in the numbers of League, I have run the numbers of just how much gold Lulu's buffs give to allies when all cast on them. First thing, since Q and E are basically damage and shielding, they offer no calculatable gold value to anyone that they impact. Now the other abilities: Her passive can provide upwards of 117 (+15% AP) bonus damage "on-hit" providing 2925 (+375 per 100 AP) gold worth of on-hit. Her W provides 35% attack speed which is 875 gold, as well as 30% (+5% per 100 AP) move speed, or 1185 (+197.5 per 100 AP) gold of percent move speed. Finally her Ult gives 600 (+50% AP) bonus health, equaling 1602 (+113.5 per 100 AP) gold worth of health. All this together, means that Lulu can buff any ally on her team with 6587 (+686 per 100 AP) gold worth in stats. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to nerd out like this.

Jhin's w and ult are dodgeable and if he hits it then he has skill or he followed up to his support's cc there fore team coordination, his q is point click but doesn't do a ton of damage it is mostly used to increase the 4th auto missing health damage and you can see when he has his big bullet and his traps are not much by themselves but can set up to colourfull performances

On the subject of Kai’sa I remember being part of my university’s esports League team and filling in for our ADC for a game and I first picked Kai’sa and actually won.

I mean as a Evelyn main, sure invisibility is awesome, but having to wait level 6 to be possible to do anything can be reallllllyyyyyyy hard when all junglers hard snowball

My boy pyke grabbing cass's, uhhh, dress

As a Lulu main, most people hate her because she's very good at denying assassins and most divers, aka, the champions played by the most spiteful people. Her poly doesn't stop Sett's W, Fiddle R, etc, so idk.

I used to be a Jinx main a few seasons ago and the only matchup I struggled with was against Jhin. He was (and still is) one of the most popular champs in the game, so naturally I hated him. Now I'm a mid laner and have a bit more respect for him,considering some of the newer ADCs exist.

i actually went and skim/watched first part of this video quickly for consistency. interesting to make a part 2. hopefully your writer block has been lifted. on a side note : congrats on 100K keep up the good work. wish you well

There is just something I really like about these discussion videos you always make. It's fun to listen to.

Remember back when Sunfire Cape wasn't a unique passive, and multiple peoples' capes would stack without revealing stealth? It was a funny time.

Tbh the fact that now Kaisa can only build crit is not a positive. One of the main points of the champ was her flexibility and the ability to go either full ap/ad or Hybrid. Now that they gutted the on hit build she just doesn't feel the same anymore

Just put all skrimishers and assasins there Simple

If you fight an evelynn, forget warding your bushes with normal wards and ward her camps instead. That way you can see where she is and where she is going since her stealth takes a bit to kick in and she doesn't know you can see her.

Jhin has this "honourable conduct" feel to fighting him. You know when he's gonna body you, you know when you're going to body him. (Bar some skill diff here and there ofc)

In Wild Rift, Lulu’s polymorph is like a pickup that allies or enemies can walk over, and it polymorphs enemies and gives allies move speed and attack speed. I think this is a nice way of reworking her polymorph, and it makes her very useful but not broken

I'd be down for a "How I would Rework" series if you need suggestions. I think that would be super interesting for the game design-oriented viewers, me included.

Hey Vars! Great Vid (as always) So pretty neat idea for a future video could be to go over some fan-made champs and discuss whether those mechanics are good or not and whether they fit into the lol environment. And if not, how could they be adapted to fit. It would be neat to see you put your 'good-design' principles to action.

Hate Evelynn all you want shaco is still in the game

Hey Vars ! Love the video as always, please keep it up ! (Very) small erratum from this humble Poppy main : Katarina's Shunpo is technically a blink, not a dash

funny you said nobody hates Jihn. He’s one of my friends least favorite characters. He says each of his abilities “is a ranged Garen ult”. None of my friends including me agree with him lol.

When you die to jhin it is usually your fault, dodge his stuff and avoid his 4th shot and you simply won't die (unless it's 6 items). It feels fair and when I take the L to the masked man I just go: "well played"

Well, I did the math for Lulu, and using stat conversions at 100% gold efficiency she gives MUCH more gold in stats than the 2000 you expected. She gives 7225 + 865.8 per 100 AP gold in stats to her carry 0_0. By far the largest contributor to this is Pix, who alone adds 2925 + 375 per 100 AP gold in on-hit magic damage.

vars deserves more views and subs. You can see the effort in all of their videos.

honestly i don't see a lot of people who find pyke annoying or hate him. he has strong early game but hard falls off and becomes useless after 30 mins. and there are a billion dashes that stop hit ult.

Jhin's animations and attacks are clear, feels super fair to deal with him and if he wins the lane is because he or his support did it well. Yasuo, Yi, Yone, Samira can do awful in early game but then they do a massive damage no matter if they are 2/10 o 10/2, feels super unfair. Basicly you can't win against them, you can only prevent late game to arrive.

"i dont think i've met a single player who actually dislikes jhin" allow me to introduce myself

My first experience with Pyke, I was playing ashe, he didn’t seem to spooky, until my jungled came for a gank, then my support got low and pyke ulted them hitting on three of us, then our jungled was low enough that he ulted again hitting both of us, then finally a third ult to kill me. I had to download the vid and get my friend to explain what happened, because the fight was going alright, then suddenly this flying fish boy said we need to die.

Lulu mains explaing how they outplayed you with their 3 point and click abilities

I think what makes Jhin feel fine is a matter of player agency. His moves, while powerful, are pretty telegraphed. So even if you die to them it usually feels like you had your chance to outplay him. You can see when his 4th shot is ready. You can see the windup on his trap before it explodes, or even see him throw it behind him as he tries to run. You can see the grenade bounce. You can see the line aimed at you narrowing. You can see the large cone opening up to rain hell on you. Whenever he uses each of these abilities, it becomes a game of your positioning skill vs his aiming skill. So despite the fact he's rather powerful, he never really fully strips you of your agency. Somebody like Samira, however, unless you hard cc her, which is a weakness literally every champ has, she will glide through that combo before exploding in the middle with a pentakill and there wasn't really much you can do about it. Not only is her main weakness a universal one, but she has a tool built-in to shut down that weakness. Jhin is a champ who is powerful but reliant on contested skill between him and his target. Most hated champs I think are reliant on the player controlling them making a slip-up, and if they don't, their targets are just boned. This is coming from someone who does alright against Samira, as I'm good at respecting le distance. But even as someone who doesn't overtly struggle against her, the fact that my tactic to not feed her is "prioritize making sure I don't engage her post-6" is a bad sign xD I think respected champs tend to generally have a way to outplay while engaging that they can't just simply press a button and get out of jail free, and survive them even if they get fed. Master Q can fail every time he tries to gank my support ass but if midlane feeds him now I have to deal with someone who can literally decide I'm going to die, click on me to avoid my cc and then insta-kill me. There's no opportunity for me to outplay because HE DOESN'T EXIST ON THE RIFT WHILE HE'S KILLING ME. He's hated because there is literally nothing you can do to play against him once someone has slipped up against him. Jhin? If Jhin is fed you can still CC him and burst him down and he'll die to 2-3 people prioritizing him. His ability to chunk and blast you is gonna be terrifying, as it should be since he's done well, but there's never really this "all hope is lost" feeling like when there's a fed Yi.

It's weird. I play alot of Pyke and never get any flame thrown at me, but the moment i play Karthus i get "LOL NO SKILL PRESS R" even though they die to Q's.

I won't mind if you make a part 3. And even if you make a video going into why people may respect some champions. It can be an opinion piece if you want. I'd like it.

Jhin's passive became a meme when URF was around. Full ATK SPD Jhin made him the fastest champ ever that could even rival Yi's ult speed. I think thats one of the things he is most likeable about him.

Thank god that my bois malz and Vel'Koz are not in the thumbnail

2 videos, 20 champs and you still couldn't spot that teemo hiding in that bush.

I hate Kayn. More than any other champion. And when he was at below average power he wasn't terrible. But he has been broken going on almost 2 years now and they don't nerf him. His point click escape any situation ult is disgusting and his go through walls is so broken. Trying to ward against him is just as hard as Evelyn, twitch jg, or khazix if not harder. The fact he can either become nigh unkillable (with red Kayn) or highest burst champ in the game (with blue Kayn) while still having easy escapes and a point click zhonyas that does damage that dashes to a champion that does damage is insane.

I think the reasoning behind lulu is primarily her W. I think if lulu had the choice between her current W and literally just summoner exhaust with her W's cooldown instead, she'd pick her current W. Point/click CC with little to no cast-time and no way to interrupt the cast, combined with a poke/harass champion and a powerful disengage/followup ulti. Her harass is pretty minute, and the likes of alistar can pretty much outheal what damage she does do, but it's primarily just the get out of jail free card on her W, that you can't really play around. I'd argue the same goes for morgana if she's built support, except her power budget is moreso in the harass/poke than it is in the disengage. However, priming something like Taric E only to have her use her E with no cast time, and basically give an ally olaf ult, are the main reasons these champs are some of the more banned supports. It's not like they are overpowered in botlane at all either, if you have something like tristana she just goes in the second one of them whiffs a CC ability, or someone forces W out then you just go in afterwards, but it's just the little-to-no warning about the abilties, with no real way to play around them other than baiting them out and going while they're on cooldown.

As an evelynn main, she is a high skill cap champion, who’s playstyle is insanely different. However that being said, no one buys pink wards ever so

"kat can go crit, bruiser, on hit or ap" shaco:I can do that too.

i feel like with jhin the reason why he is so well respected is that all of his abilities are fairly easy to dodge, or atleast you KNOW they are coming. his traps, his "Jinx zap stun" and his R all give you lots of time to dodge or lets you KNOW it is coming. So when you die to any one of those you dont feel like the game did you dirty, but YOU got hit by his easily dodgeable things and that the death is on you and not the game.

With characters like Jhin it’s the fact that their power budget isn’t over inflated. In return for his insane damage potential he had very little escape and it’s why Gale force and Swiftness boots are so popular on him besides the other obvious stay bonuses. Samira, Katarina and Yasuo have insane mobility that isn’t limited to one use and also have insane dodge or block potential while also having insane damage numbers. They have everything when they are at their best while characters like Jhin will have insane damage it’s used to make up for his lack of mobility or defences as a whole. If your gonna make a character really good at one thing then you need to balance it out with a weakness.

I adore cass for countering high mobility champions

Where is Tryndamere

Pog 100k Why ihate kaisa: Stupid Q can"t let me poke her without taking half of my life with AA Q and gets out ofhand too easy Why i hate pyke: i don't hate he is ballanced Why i hate cassiopeia: Only mage with dps that has sustain and CAN go riftmaker for omnivamp point and click Why i hate quinn: i hate my team for not listening my pings Why i hate evelynn: Her kit is broken, who gave her that healing passive, who diminished her couldown Q from 8 to 4, who gave her a void staff on her W, who gave her AOE execute

14:40 While he does get a speedboost and it is a guranteed high damage shot, I think part of the reason Jhin is so respected is because he has moments of weakness. Champions like tahm and lulu only have the weakness of taking bad fights, being outnumbered, mispositioning, etc. I truly believe that a champion without any major weakness, like samira or whoever else, is worse than someone like rell. sure, she isnt played much, but she has huge lockdown and tank potential, yet she can be punished if she misses her knockup.

Vars: I don't think there's any other assassin in the game with as much build diversity as Katarina Rengar players: *Laugh in lethality, crit, bruiser, ap and tank*

lmao everyone hates pyke as a support me an intellectual : plays pyke mid and makes mid laners cry for help cause they dont know the match up

the only reason cass is hated is because all the annoying one-tricks have to think for once before going in, i despise the ridiculous ammounts of mobility from kata, yas and others way more than some grounding ability

I love Eve only because I main her. It’s SO fun, walking around invisible anywhere. It makes league a lot less stressful. But to play vs it, must be awful. Against an ADC a full combo is instant death. Once you have 2/3 items you don’t even need to do a full charm. It’s disgusting

Jhin is a overloaded champion with restrains that demand his playstyle. His autoattacks have cooldown, his poke ability have long cooldown, his long range root have long cooldown, traps are far less dependable compared to Caitlyns, and his ult really, really puts a lot of challenge on Jhin to land it. He has middle range, no defensive abilities or mobility, his root has short duration, demanding to have an attack or ability applied prior and easy to miss. Jhin is a glass cannon that pays a lot in exchange of his damage input and thats what makes him balanced and more or less fair. Until he gets Lulu support and becomes an invincible tank that runs on MS steroids and destroys you in two shots.

Eve isn't invisible for the whole match, she's camouflaged... they last longer but can be detected by control wars.. Her detect radius is also one of the largest in the game considering that she's a melee.. So she became a brainless low elo stomper below diamond and a decent skilled pick in high elo since people know very well how to shut eve down..

Part 2 already and Senna is still "honorable mention" and no Irelia? come on

Another thing aside from control wards that help against people with stealth is that if you're in a Bush that they don't have vision in, you will see them first, and if you think about it, every champion that has stealth in their kits, don't really have much durability.

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y people love jhin: he cant mash his head on a keyboard while being in a call with his mom and eating some ravioli and still get a penta

hey as a pyke main any press is good press people seem to think he sucks rn and I love the feeling of getting pentas as a supp then seeing the ff

I just did some quick search and apparently, Lulu ult gives 800/1200/1600 gold worth of stat WITHOUT the AP scaling. Assuming you deny the enemy a full cannon wave every kill, it should give you ~2/3/4 kills of advantage. As other champions also have their ult to offset that value, kills also give XP and priority besides gold, and the buff is temporary, the ult is not actually overpowered. Still, almost killing an ADC, hearing that goddamn laugh and next thing you know, that supposedly dead ADC just razed down your team is pretty painful.

Jhin is specialized, he have clear weaknesses, mostly mobility, and besides the damage, he has the reloading time, which is a window for an assassin to get in. If a Jhin carries the game after that, he cannot get nothing but respect.

As a Pyke main, I can definentally say that the psychological preassure is real lol. As pyke you are looking for every opportunity to strike or punish the enemy support or adc. Sometimes i even just uses my W just to give the enemy supp with 0 mobility an anxiety attack, not even going in or repositionens, but simply to make the enemy not engage. And yes, Pyke is very much a feast or famine champ. I have gone several games where i legit go anywhere from 15-18/0-3/17-20. And sometimes i do poorly due to bad plays and mismanagement of my abilities. You have to play smart, due to your passive you are a litteral glasscanon, if the enemy catches you with your metaphorical pants down, you will be screwed if they know what they are doing. But even in those games i can roam easily with mobility boots and empower my teammates by landing kills for them or by Giving them their Cut of Money. Pyke is always looking for opportunites, and if you or your team makes those opportunities it isnt uncommon for you to be fullbuild at lv 13 or 14. Honestly i just enjoys how he plays, used to play lots of thresh but i needed something else, and Pyke was that. I love Pyke

Just gonna put this terrible, terrible pun out there... KDhAted

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Jhin has counterplay, His skills take preparation and actual effort to use, other champions can Face-roll uncounterplayable skills and go unpunished He's a relic of the times Riot *tried* to make champions fair and fun, for BOTH playing with/against a champion It's that simple, nowadays riot makes Power trip champions with broken skills, so you can play with them and think you are amazing, buy x champion skins and so on Akali...

If the things that make a champion hated are fairly consistent - traditional lane counter, sink or swim, or anti-mechanics I think what makes "good" or "loved" champions is they fit their lane, are adaptable, and the feeling of control (for their opponent). Stepping on a Jhin trap? If you saw it go down that's on you. In a team fight you expect grenade or trap to come out but he has to crit to run from you with any speed. On his team's side if Jhin does poorly his utility isn't lost. If he gets a takedown every enemy is a trap slowing others and giving someone who is on a hot streak the safety to carry on. Basically, I think if your Support player (there is one in every friend group) said, "I have a crazy idea, how about X as a support?" You would look at them, think about it, and then say, "Yeah, I could see it working." Most of those champions require player skill over inevitably to play right, but also play usefully. You as an opponent know the reason you die to them is not because you had no choice but to do so, but because you made a mistake.

Everything Jhin can do is either very clear and straightforward or requires an amount of setup that demands respect while not being a straight up stat checker.

I imagine one of the reasons why lulu is banned so often is that she is useful in and against pretty much any matchup, where as someone like braum can only really be played against a team consisting of a lot of projectile attacks

Jihn is easily my favorite champ because you cannot simply be good…..you must be *PERFECTION*

As a pyke main I have to agree. Most games Im full build by 25 mins but some of them im nothing but a free gold for the enemy....

I've been playing LOL for a year now almost every single day. And Jhin is by far the most balanced and the best designed hero I've ever played. I think he will always be my favorite.

Pyke main here Pyke's ult creates coin items that have the same value as the kill gold. No matter if he kills the target, or the target dies on the X, the result is pretty much the same: Pyke gets 2 times the kill reward, while the other person gets the usual amount. That means that, if you count it as "if he missed the ult, the other person would've killed them anyway", only Pyke benefits from his ult gold. Well, there is a small amount of extra gold: The assist gold, which gets rewarded independently. Pyke however needs at least some of his ult gold, because he's a support with the most expensive build out of all of them, having to build a full Assassin build while others have their cheap support items

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respected champions common thing is simple, counterplay, that you can do something against them no matter what class, champ you are using or if they are ahead (unless they are extremely ahead)