Literally this laddy misunderstood everything.... I am really sad bcoz she thinks she is right but she is in hell...when u see things it really matter as u just seing but could feeling it right way..... Some yr before I was truly influenced by jnu professor but now it was all just ignorance and when intellectual being not wised..... 😟😟😟😟😟
Rightly pointed out that "culture" is not an isolated entity as we are being taught to treat it but an amalgamation of ways of life of different people of different race and cast and creed....
जेएनयू एक खूबसूरत परंपरा और संस्कृति की मिसाल है...और शायद इस परंपरा, रवायत जिसका प्रवाहक जेएनयू है, इस पर हुआ हमला , इसे और मज़बूत करेगा। इस घटना के बाद लोगों का इस विश्वविद्यालय में विश्वास बढ़ा है.....जिनका विश्वास नहीं बढ़ा, उसके लिए वे खुद ही जिम्मेवार हैं।
"History has to be the bond"? So RT is proposing on her own that any history has to be concocted to suit the historian's politics, including her own, even if the purpose and time frame of any form of nationalism is so limited. Here, she misses or glosses over the fact that her opponents are trying to discard the entire label of Aryan. But doesn't any history need to approach some kind of accuracy with respect to demonstrable archaeological evidence?
@@lazypops3117 REAL HISTORY? lol ... Then why did she not turn up in court when she was asked to come and represent the case for babari masjid, irfan habib and RS SHARMA did not go either.. They had been vehemntly supporting babri, giving EVIDENCE that it existed.. And then when the time came they didnt go to court and sent their students Suvira jaiswal and suraj bhan.. Who said in court.. " SURAJ BHAN SAID " I Do not know anything about the history of the place, I do not know either Sanskrit, or arabic or persian , I just build up on the narrative of other historians, i hve not done any research of my own" .. And irfan habib claimed that the inscription of a temple was uncovered after demolition of babri was PLANTED BY VHP and was stolen from Lucknow museum but when it was revealed that Lucknow museum Inscription was still at the museum he hid behind a lam post like a wet cat.. There is no relation between marxist historians and REAL HISTORY 😂
@@lazypops3117 Real? Tell me, can you write an explanation of Quran without knowing Arabic? Well...she does ancient history without knowledge of Sanskrit, Pali and Prakrit. She is just a fraud.
HISTORY teaches us that India and unfortunately for her Hindus were inclusive. Exclusive nationalism and secularism arose in judeo Christian countries where Christianity interfered in state affairs which she even at this age is unable to say loudly. Such a shame
at 10:25, Prof. Thapar states that "there was no history of India as a unified territory prior to colonialism". Is this an established fact? If it was so, what was the Mauryan Empire & Gupta Empire, which spread across considerable areas of present-day India? Why in our Puranas, the present geographical area of India is called "BharataVarsham"? Why one of our great epics is called Maha-Bharata? Why did Adi Sankara establish four Mathas in four locations in the North-South-East-West part of present-day India? Did the concept of "Bharatha" did not exist prior to the entry of the British? Please enlighten me!
Puranas are mythological, they're not considered as historical sources. Even mauryan and mughal empire didn't cover whole india, let alone small empires like gupta. Lastly, india was caste based society and that caste had ethnic differences so just because adi shankara has placed maths here and there tells us about brahminical colonisation, not a nation-state.
@@Aman-qr6wi The point is the "idea" of Bharat is not a recent origin. It is clearly mentioned in our puranas & ithihasas. Suppose you want to know the history of certain tribal groups in a remote forest area. When you enquire about their history they will tell you their history in their own way which may not be same as the way modern historians will describe. It may have facts & imaginations. It's the job of the historians to decipher the facts from the imagination. In purans there is a detailed description of historical geography of Bharat which you can easily verify.
North Eastern Regions were not ruled by mainland Indian Empires not even by thr mughals. So, I agree with the claim that we were united by british geographically.
@@Aman-qr6wi convince ur muslim friends at JNU that udne wali gadhi was mythical in exchange for supporting them during protests, lets see if they agree with or behead u 😂
Rajiv Malhotraji asked her multiple times to come for a debate on her thesis, deductions etc about various topics at a place she is willing to - but she isn't responding. No doubt that she is now worried that all her decades worth of faulty work would be exposed now. For the audience, please see Rajivji's take on youtube. Search for " Decolonizing Romila Thapar: Nation & Nationalism - 1/5 " and the series of other 4 episodes.
@Bot 27 I'm an ordinary Indian interested to know the truth. Why should I keep quiet? Agreed that I'm not knowleadgeable enough to counter RT but I've enough intellect to understand what is right vs wrong when someone with knowledge talk about it like RM. Let RT accept to speak to him in a public forum to counter him. I bet she'll never ever agree to it in her lifetime.
@@rakhimukerji7937 Yes, Rajiv Malhotra got an agenda of bringing our culture, and other great things back to its glory. Whereas Mrs Thapar has been demeaning in everyway possible since decades with all the possible platforms being provided to her, brainwashing young minds with completely incorrect/distorted information. It is time for us Indians to realise our true culture and greatness; currently, Indians do not have self respect, good feel about their own land, culture and/or nation. We are not proud of anything we posses because of people like Mrs Thapar. If people like her got any guts, let them use the same language against any other religion in their own land. They can't. Mr Malhotra is not asking anything extra ordinary. He has been saying that whatever this lady has been lecturing is nothing but distortions. To prove his point, he is asking her to discuss with him on a public platform, that's all. On the same platform, she can also question him on his opinions and books. It's the same level field. Nothing wrong in it, infact right thing to do.
@virtual mania When you used those bad words for me, it reminded me of my parents words that when I take the right path, there would be many street dogs that would bark at me, I must ignore them and keep going. Still I would like to express few of my thoughts, restraining using any filthy words like you, and then stop. At my home, I pray to Lord Ganesha, my mother offers paryers to Lord Balaji and likewise everyone is different. This is Hindu culture, even in the same family, there is democracy, there is diversity. That is how India is alive through unity in diversity. That is Hindu culture. Once this is forgotten, this country will vanish out of the earth. I have a strong feeling that you are either brainwashed by people like Mrs Thaper, or another stooge sponsored by vested interest groups - I think some folks call people like you as urban naxals.
Request all to read ramesh chandra majumdar ...... If you can't find the books read on archives.org. Romila thapar is at best a, "shobha de among historians"!
Why do you call them (Irfan Habib, DN Jha, Romila Thapar, RN Sharma, Hrbans Mukhia, etc ) LEFT? They are not LEFT, they repeat the British and Pakistani views on Indian history. Dr. Rossiter in her PhD thesis in the University of Texas exposed them. Do they quote Marx or Lenin? They do not. What Marx wrote is much more anti-Muslim than what Bajrang Dal writes.
What tradition you people are talking about?...It’s true that the concept of Nationalism is very new in the world and it came from Europe. The Indian Nationalism itself was contributed by British rule. All knows till then all we had scattered princely states fighting each other. When British rule gathered these lands together to form a country, its them who defined that the prehistoric India has a Hindu based culture and called the people Hindus They had to address the remaining (people other than Christians and Muslims) somehow and they chose Hindu. The common people here were so illiterate to think and understand the complex thought provoking Sanskrit shlokas and they were not allowed too...If you talk on culture and tradition, then you must consider it from the beginning of the mankind. The species originated in Africa, traveled through Asia for ages and spread across the world....we need to consider and be proud on all that culture and traditions behind that is accumulated into our genes enabling us to be where we are now and ask questions on the past!. Not just simply on words like Hinduism and Indian culture...etc. And it’s very complex. It will hold the culture and traditions of animals, tribes, clans, slaves, devadasi, nagas, snake charmers, pirates, burglars, criminals, chandals…etc. Not just the Mantra reciting saints and Gods. Remember it’s the so called Hindu culture and traditions observed and allowed the rituals like “Sati” and “Bali” for centuries. Would you be proud to say that this is how people lived in that great tradition or life style or Dharma whatever- called Hindu and you and your family a part of it? Now, it’s not yet the time to conclude that the Aryan invasion is a complete sham
he said Indian nationalism emerged due to British colonization. However the name India was always given by an outsider. eg: Land on the other side of Indus river.
So you want to say that Hinduism does not deserve any place in history ? And sati, Bali were practises that were region based and not followed by all classes and all sects. We know how to reject the bad and retain the good. So yes, I am proud to be a Hindu , and I am not ashamed of what happened in the past because I had nothing to do with it , I simply reject it as evil and oppose it.
Sati was only practiced in rajasthan and Bengal during muslim rule cuz they used to rape dead bodies of women.there have been around 8-11 mass sati(jauhar) in rajasthan Alone and one or two (maybe more) in Bengal.sati word started with shivji's wife godess sati. And we don't have any solid proof or this being practiced in ancient times.sacrifce was done everywhere. However indians decided to drop this practice and we can't say hindusim is a religion.it is more of umbrella term for every major and minor regional beliefs.for example, in shavism they worship Shiv ji (most ancient known deity ,from afgan to Sri Lanka, probably in middle east as some claim but i can't really say about that) We have found a 8k, years old shivlingam.and maybe it is way older than date ,in vaishnav they worship Shri Vishnu, in brahmanism is almost extinct,very few people worship brahma, in south (Kerala) they got ayyapa, vedanta have their own beliefs,then there's shaktism .in northern India,many clans worship their ancestors (one particular ancestor which appears in some elder's dream and tells them to built a shrine for them or smt, it's kind of like Japanese beliefs but not fo ancestors),then there's tribals deities.so we can't really say hindusim is a religion.it have more to do with rules of the land.like how most of people were sheaphards and Shri Krishna loved cows,so whole of India ,more or less consider cows as respectable animal.sure they don't treat them like some divine being (most of us don't) and this is why we see cows roaming on streets,except Tamil Nadu,some areas (or maybe all) do eat cows.idk if that's traditional or recent thing.it is also clear that kings like khilji ,in order to insults indians,butchered cows and used their skin and head like crown and cape and mocked locals by dragging them.anything for disrespecting non muslims (he was new in the region ,so everyone was non muslim,later they forced and raped and veryy few (literally very few) people joined muslims kings for a post in their courts.And we can't even say we have been ruled,cuz every modern nation was more of less invaded.what matters is if they took their kingdom back even humayun spent most of his life running ,how come he is considered a king? He only spent last 2-3 years as a crown king.and after bin Qasim,no middle eastern king dared to cross Sindh for next 300 years.and those kings were politically backed and religiously supported by their ummah cuz they can always say they doing it for Islam and simply kill people. Britishers took most states from hindus rulers, and during union of India,most rulers were hindu only it is only due to massacres,states were given to pak and Bangladesh cuz people migrated.if full fledged war would happen, according to population ,less than 5% non dharmic people would have been left .that too cuz of mercy which dharmic people showed during partition.we literally agreed to give our land to people who thought they were too cool to live in a democracy and a tolerance and multicultured nation.they choose religion over their neighbours and family,more than 85% agreed to form Pakistan,yet less than 60% went to Pakistan.why? If they would have agreed to simply not vote ,we would have been a big nation,we won't be having china factor simply cuz we would be one nation ,china can't make corridor, can't put pressure on Bangladesh, can't threaten us by 25km territory in Bangladesh and Nepal border which is now our weak point .there wouldn't be blood shed only if those people who are currently living in India didn't supported pro Pakistani party.who else can u blame? Christians didn't demanded diff nation ,Jains didn't,tribals didn't,jews didn't,zororastrians didn't.no one else.but them.how can we agree that the history we are taught is right,when all the other nations who were controlled by Islamic rule don't have any of their past civilization left ,it is totally controlled by religion.what is better? a single strict rule for all which don't care what u personally feel about your clothing or sexuality or a flexible belief system which is amended according to era's need? Ask yourself that.are we homophobic? Or are we transphobic? Did we asked women to cover their body or not to speak .like what they say in Bible or Qur'an.(not bashing religions here but simply saying what is written) .our women didn't wore corsets around their waist which Victoria women had to look attractive.neither our women wore veil before it started in rajasthan during muslim rule cuz rajputs didn't wanted anyone keeping a bad eye on their women.rajasthani women are so beautiful , specially rajput princesses.and they choose death over being enslaved.they named their mountain hindu kush , literally meaning place where hindu died cuz they were dragged bare foot ,empty stomach and stones cutting their sole for thousands of kms.if we are uncivilized ,then tell me who is civilized? Those who killed their philosophers cuz they didn't believed in flat earth or those Greek mathematicians and physics experts who had different point of view than locally accepted beliefs?
Nobody knows Rajiv Malhotra. He has no accreditation. He is a retired computer guy who decided to fool bigots and jingoist Indians with some nonsense & biased historical texts that are based on his imagination. Pretty sure he is related to RSS & has an agenda. OTOH Romila Thapar is a known historian with credibility. Her books are Magna Carta for Ancient Indian history students. She can produce significant scientific evidences for every claim she makes. She doesn’t write to make bigots like you happy. She writes what’s true. And that makes her special
No written history is pure. We need to investigate and analyze it. Moreover we need to make a history on which our successors should not have a CONFLICT...great words by RT ...
do you mean that whatever she is saying is true? Her work is majorly based on the deductions/fault information injected by westerners into the history. Please see Rajiv Malhotra's counter to her. She is not accepting to talk to him on a stage of her choice.
@@prashanthtalla oh dear either you seems to be biased or you have failed to understand my simple words. I am not saying that whatever prof. Thapar has said is true but every statement about history has to be scrutinized and face a critical enquiry irrespective of its source...
@@naveensinghpanwar8182 I'll leave it to you what you think about me. History is nothing but facts that really happened. We cannot make something that our successors may not have any conflict. We've to put down the facts as clearly as possible, that can happen only through open discussions between the likes of RT and Rajiv Malhotra; the problem is RT doesn't want to talk to RM due to her faulty assumptions she made throughout her studies, and she knows it. It seems like she doesn't want to get exposed, otherwise, why will she not accept to talk to RM? Go through RM's videos, search for "Decolonizing Romila Thapar: Nation & Nationalism - 1/5 ", "History, Critical Thinking & Autonomy: Decolonizing Romila Thapar 2/5", "Aryan Race & Hindu Fascism: Decolonizing Romila Thapar 3/5", "Muslim Rule: Decolonizing Romila Thapar 4/5"
@@prashanthtallafirstly I am not at all glorifying prof. Thapar. Secondly TRUTH doesn't comes out of the Debates and discussions. Would love to hear views of Mr. Malhotra. Would appreciate if you could introduce him and his work ...
and by the way this debate is on nationalism no need for you to try and appear to have a brain by trying and giving what you consider a philosophical argument
..... Academic talks..... hahaha....... use your mind, come out of garbage mentality....... she is just running an agenda and brainless kids following it...
I am aghast with the knowledge of this lady, (whom I knew only now through this video that she is a historian ,I never came to know any reference of her during my school days in 1960 s history learning and I am still unclear what did she do as a historian). She refers to many hindu sects and very specifically says to bhakti movement as a north Indian phenomenon. This very knowledge /lack of knowledge of hers about bhakti movements in India has given me the sense of hers being very frivilous indeed. She should have known that bhakti movements are originated in south and maharashtra . Iam very aghast that what credibilty she has as a historian with this shallowness. Rest of her talk is totally against hindus. How can she claim to be historian with so much of bias against hindus.Her personality shows her upbringing is itself non indian. I wonder whether indian institutes of JNU type have such a low level of facaulty and they are really ruining the carriers of the students by misguiding them. What a shame.
I DID NOT FIND ANY ANTI HINDU SENTIMENT IN HER SPEECH WHAT YOU WANT HER TO SAY ?The discovery of Mohenjodoro challenged the idea of Aryan culture and sanskrit to be the only and fun damental of Indian culture?She did not say where vakti movement startrd she mentioned vaktibad in India wbich imcluded Sant Kabir Meera Chaitamya many others
14:46-15:26This shows bias whenever the name of states like Bihar or UP is used. If an intellectual from west had said that millions of years ago north pole was in _Norway_ or _Cambridge_ or _Texas_ then no one would have laughed. Just because the current political names of these geographical locations in the Indian subcontinent are Jharkhand, Bihar, UP, etc that doesn't mean strange/amazing occurrences had never happened in these areas in the past.
At the evening of our life time one should not lie but what this foreign lady is telling a all lies hello lady for your age we have to respect you pl keep quiet and be inthe corner
Who told u that Vedas said that north pole was in Bihar? You call urself a historian, lets see u take up challenges on recent scientific discoveries on Saraswati, the dating of Mahabharat and Ramayan in scientific terms, the references to geography of India in Rig Ved, etc .
She traveled around the world but knows nothing about this very land. communist stooges everywhere. does she know anything about the OM signs, coins and idols found in Hadappan/Indus vally remains. She jumped over a huge part where Muslims entered and how they entered India. She's very cunning in including RSS among the successors of Hindu Mahasabha.
@@vikramtalreja9 teri m@@ k kaan me land dala tha kya Bata to raha hoon dna test se pata chalta hai k indians ka dna same hai or farak kar sakte hai arab se chines se law du
@@pmaster1173 he meant pakaude bech. Sell pakaude. Her research is that she only research on the works of the west historians. The west historians who actually don't research and make up stories like the aryans.
@Hari Aum India is a secular nation alright but there have been efforts to change it off late my friend!! Don't bark just because you want to... I know you people can't tolerate her because she is too young for you to handle. Her arguments are like hot knife through butter
Each and every understanding of hers reeks of colonial mentality and filth. To say no nationalism existed before it became a concept in west, is an insult to Kautilya and other kings who fought against islamic invaders despite under the flag of their dynasty.
Mam you don't have courage to discuss with Other ideas. So that right wing ideology & Nationalist ideology are not welcomed in JNU. You are the symbol of British Capitalist ideology & corrupt Indian system.
As expected she hyped the friction between different hindu sects.... ofcourse there was trouble but not as to kill all and destroy the other sects temples in totality
excellent lecture by madam BUT i wonder how many bhakts will listen to it and how many will under Stand IT,they have been fed upon distorted history,have been brain washed and only thing present is a psyche of hate
Khalid Mehmood ya I listened dear and I understood the history of naxalism and learnt how to unite the nation, Osama was a product of capitalism and he was a saint who had a cannon through which he spread love and had various disciples like you. Btw I had studied Chanakya a little where he didn't talked of one nation.
@@atlantissurvivor9810 You moron Tasleema is a fiction writer while Romila is a brilliant Historian. Don't mix two.. Tasleema is same as Nirad C chaudhary who proposed Aryans as descendents of Swines. For further information go through his work "Continent of Circe."
@@fayazsultan6745 Please understand that there are a new set of Hindus who are well read in English and are not prisoners of the old school of Hindus like Pravin Togadia. We demand evidence for the assertions made by these Historians before we accept them. Historians like Romila Thapar have written history with an agenda. They pushed history that obliterated some parts of Indian history for the benefit of their beliefs of secularism. One of the biggest did dervice they did to India was the pushing of the Aryan Invasion theory which had very little archelogical evidence but was used to divide this nation as Aryans and Dravidians. Now it is discredited. But who can undo the immense damage that was done to this country ?? Erudition and scholarship does not deserve applause when it is skewed to serve a particular agenda
@@fayazsultan6745 What Aryans is she talking about? There exists no word called "ARYAN" in Samskrutham. Its foreigners created word. That is enough to reject the Aryan theory!! Btw, don't get confused Aryan with Arya. Arya in Samskrutham means a noble person, be it hindu, muslim, sikh or whoever it is - just a noble person, and nothing else!
hello friend these all are renowned communists.they dont know Indian sanskriti because they have read only through western lense.which is marxist based.and Marxist was a racial and hate indian culture.
listen carefully her talks.she only quote foreign writers to validate her self.and i cant trust foreign writers to be expert on indian traditions.We need insider view of our traditional values not somebody teaching us our own past with some agenda and in distorted way.
+Akhand Bharat you need a better source. I personally think she is wrong on many things, but her quoting of marxists is not sufficient reason to discredit her.
Budhiya sathiya gayi hai. India se pyaar karo iski itegrity ke baare me socho, be a good citizen, pay taxes, work for betterment of its conditions, this is Nationalism. Not this Laal salaam and shariyat bullshit Leftists and mullas propagate.
The Hindu religion? She has any idea about "Hinduism" ? For first, it is not a religion. It is dharma. More like laws of life. It doesnt dictate what to do and not do like abrahamic religions. Rather it states the laws that govern one's life. Karma, rebirth, moksha, shakti, brahmanda etc.. Perhaps it is so profound that it is out of her perception abilities.
Dalits are not hindus stupid.. they have been outcasted from the hindu society and treated as a reserve labour force. They were categorised by the colonial state under hindus... to understand my comment, you have to separate religion and politics which the western world did 4 centuries back during renaissance... there is a reason why Ambedkar converted to Buddhism.. dalits are not brahmanical Hindus.. period
idiot. dalits are hindus. now social outcast is another thing. no where is scriptures have dalits been not identified as non hindus. think before typing. dalits are basically sudras according to the varna system. by karma and not by birth. social change is another thing.
@@ceon27 on one hand you are saying dalits are not Hindus. Then you are saying that they are non brahmanical Hindus ! So are they Hindu or not, or if they are, are they of a special category? You are confused it seems!
@@ceon27 why taking the advantage of the RESERVATION that grew out of BRAHMANICAL domination.. Tab to bohot jldi phch jati ho certificate leke aadhe number lekr admission lene 😂
For yrs this lady wrote history books funded by ford foundation to spread a narrative tht ridicules our origins.This is now challenged but it would some great effort by others to write history which is closer to truth to challenge her narratiom.since this lady a padmabhushan supported by congress ,their narration stands strong.
