LED Lighting Evolution Featuring the Prolycht Orion 300 FS - Video Light

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In this episode, I talk about how the Prolycht Orion 300 FS’s Hyperlight light engine is an evolutionary step forward for film and video production.
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#Prolycht #RGBACL #LED
Index:
00:00 Start
00:15 Summary
00:24 Introduction
00:55 What is RGBACL?
01:15 Why is RGBACL special?
02:50 Demo shot vs. Aputure 300x
04:07 Does it really make a difference?
04:44 Color Quality Metrics - How does it measure up?
07:57 Test shots are CRITICAL
08:04 Demo shot - more saturation
08:50 Orion 300 FS Features
10:22 Please buy my courses

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5 авг 2024

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@geraldundone 3 года назад

Enjoyed the video, Curtis, and thanks for the shout-out! 🤓🙏

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Gerald! Always appreciate your in-depth coverage of salient topics.

@shawnkay8649 3 года назад

Hands down you create the best product reviews. You always have. Thanks Curtis.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Shawn!

@terapieadhoc 3 года назад

I was just talking yesterday about Beyer vs Foveon sensor technology, and this fits just right in 💠. Thank you 🙏

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks.

@TLDR_filmmaker 3 года назад

Awesome break down of this technology, Curtis! I think I remembered seeing something about this at NAB 2019. So great to see you getting to play with a pre-production light that uses this method! As always love your videos, always learning something when listening to your experiences!

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks for watching, TLDR Filmmaker!

@randomgeocacher 3 года назад

Incredibly exciting evolution :)

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

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@Praxiszooms 2 года назад

VEry good review as always :D

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Thanks SUUPA.

@derekjcooper 2 года назад

Absolutely brilliant video Curtis... so much more to light than what the meter says for sure. I think where things become really interesting is how a particular sensor reacts to a particular light source.

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Thanks Derek. I agree, will be interesting to see how the two work together (or not so well together).

@derekjcooper 2 года назад

100% @@curtisjudd - I find the Aputure lights with the RED sensors look rather pathetic. Doing a lot of research atm to find a great light source. Have you looked at the Orbiter?

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

@@derekjcooper Not yet.

@thedorklylionchannel415 2 года назад

This is perfect!

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

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@Rashadmcka 3 года назад

Thanks for the insight!!

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

👍

@jgurtz 3 года назад

Interesting intro and in my eyes, the skin tone definitely better with the Orion

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Jason!

@Pikmeir 3 года назад

Agreed. Even to my normal non-lighting-expert eyes the Orion looks better and less desaturated. Looking forward to the full review when it releases.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

👍

@noenken 3 года назад

Great video. Whenever I looked at Yongnuo or other really cheapo brands that score relatively high in some reviews, the shot more often than not looked dead to my eye. I have a Falconeyes panel that on a white wall looks almost a bit green in direct comparison but when you light something with it, it looks more alive, more true and produces richer tones. I also have two Aputure panels (one small, one tiny) and those are visibly way better too. So when looking for recommendations for lights I mostly rely on educated eyes instead of sensors and charts. Same with cameras, flashes, lenses... There's always more to it than what I understand and more often than not even more than what most "reviewers" are capable of.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing, Christian. Good approach to trust your eyes vs. a metric.

@LensVid 3 года назад

Very interesting Curtis. We have been in touch with Prolycht since the original Orion and basically wanted to see when the product (the original one and now apparently this one) will fix all the early small problems (especially the fan noise - which I believe is actually one of the changes made to the new FS model). Regardless - we have been working on an article on the C-800 (funny that GU published his look just a week ago - we have been working on ours for several months), what I really appreciate about this video is that you mention that even SSI and TM-30 are not really foolproof ways of testing light quality. What we might do - since we work commercially on food photography, is to try and compare this light against actual daylight - I am not sure how this will look (maybe doing this comparison will be more complex than I currently think) but if not it could be interesting.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Will be interesting to see how that test pans out. Best wishes!

@LensVid 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd Yeah, I'll talk to them and see when we can get a review sample - I honestly have no idea what to expect but we shall see.

@darc1027 3 года назад

Very interesting

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks, Tony.

@mkunst4307 3 года назад

This is a technique used by arri in their orbiter also called ARRI Spectra. we also use them! which is the problem to mix them with other fixtures.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

👍

@1fareast14 3 года назад

I've tried to mix similar emitters in a flashlight, but the different forward voltages made it difficult. Hopefully more info about the pcb and drivers comes out soon.

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

👍

@joshdiditt 3 года назад

Hey Mr. Judd. I have a question. I asked The Wandering DP host and he said Hollywood DP's always shoot in LOG , even in low light situations. I have a Panasonic S5, how would I expose in LOG in a low light, very dark night scene? I have heard you should properly expose, then I heard you should overexpose by +1or +2. But you can't overexpose a night scene. So how do we expose properly for the scene in LOG without getting noisy footage and what is the best metering tool to use because I find histograms useless when judging exposure at night.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Hi Josh, I don't have an S5 so I don't know the particulars of exposing for V-Log on that particular camera. But this is how I do it for the GH5: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZRc0tOTBWuw.html

@iancraig 3 года назад

Thank you Curtis. I have found with my lights that even when colour temperature matches camera, it often looks slightly out so I inevitably end up tweaking in post to try to get black to look a neutral black and whites to a nice clean white. Just tiny shifts in colour. I get similar with noise figures on microphones. If the figures are to be believed, I find sometimes that a mic quoted at a lower noise level shows more noise than one with a higher figure! All I can think of is either matching the preamp or the noise itself is at a frequency that is less noticeable.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Hi Ian, Many lights don't actually produce light at their reported color temp. In my tests, it is not unusual for them to be 500 degrees kelvin off. That might be part of the issue. But the overall spectral output is, of course, another factor. With microphones, specs are also tricky. Some manufacturers seem less than fully honest or evidently manufacture their microphones with rather wide tolerances. With the higher end microphones, they often include at least a frequency response chart for YOUR copy of the microphone. And they don't pass QA on mics which are too far out of the various specs. That's part of what one pays for with the more expensive microphones. Also, some of them don't apply a-weighting to or their microphones generate noise outside of the A curve. There are a lot of factors...

@jr.shakespeare8343 3 года назад

Thank you sir, I have check your work for microphones, which helped me a lot. I know this video is about light. But may I ask what I should use in a dorm room with roommates playing video games and chatting? Preamp+dynamic+camera? Shotgun+preamp+camera? Boom mic+preamp+ camera? Or something like mv7( high end usb dynamic mic directly attach to my camera.)

@jr.shakespeare8343 3 года назад

Sinking audios is always hard, that is why I wanna use preamp to connect mic to my camera directly.

@jr.shakespeare8343 3 года назад

Sinking audios is always hard, that is why I wanna use preamp to connect mic to my camera directly.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

You might find this video helpful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-arCe4UNwwYg.html

@djjudd566 3 года назад

Did you mention which camera you were using? That might make a difference between which light preforms better with differing color science on the sensors.

@LennertK 3 года назад

BMPCC 6K

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Yes, Blackmagic Pocket 6K in this case.

@djjudd566 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd Perfect. 👌🏻 Thank you Mr. Judd. Sincerely, Mr. Judd 😂

@AustralianImage 3 года назад

Hi Curtis. I just have to ask this, but has RU-vid done something to the video, as what I see is something really odd with the colour. The best way that I can describe it is that there's almost a posterisation effect starting to occur (the best way that I can explain what I'm seeing), especially in the skin tones. Everything looks sort of flat and almost losing structure. I've watched the video on several monitors and it's the same.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Not sure, Australian Image. Quite possibly. It isn't a super contrasty shot - I've kept the skin tones at about 55 IRE so there aren't any specular highlights or pretty much anything above 55 IRE in the talking head shots.

@AustralianImage 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd It's really weird and unlike any of your other videos when it comes to skin tones. I thought it might be Firefox, but then I've watched it on Chrome and Edge and it's the same. Obviously I can't show you what I'm seeing, but it's baffling.

@fajrimobile1710 3 года назад

hi Curtis you seems like a really nice guy. i also really love your videos, it helped me a lot whenever i want to buy a new equipment but i'm very new to audio equipment and i want to upgrade from my rode video micro, which one are you reccommend for a paid job, audio technica at875r or deity d3 pro? or the best shotgun mic for around 275-300 dollar.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Fajri. To really improve audio quality, I'd recommend getting the microphone off of the camera and closer to the actor/talent. Not sure what format you're shooting, but the D3 Pro or AT875R can both do a nice job if they're close to the person speaking.

@fajrimobile1710 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd i usually make short films, documentary or interview, after watching more of your videos i get to understand more about audio and i really like deity s mic 2 and I'm also planning to buy your course after the s mic 2 😁 thanks a lot Curtis!

@rohanrahman8138 3 года назад

you are a nice person.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Rohan, that’s kind of you.

@xray111xxx 3 года назад

I am curious if and what the DSP overhead might be, or is it just the diffuser, and it gives a strong argument at least for you Curtis that the numbers don't tell the full story. What "looks natural" to you. And you have used allot of different lights. So you can say this light is... Curious to see if this technology may trickle down to maybe a more reasonable price for me for instance as at $2150.00, that is a bit exciting on the money front for me at least anyway. Love your reviews. Hope you are doing well.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks Vincent. There’s definitely DSP involved in the self-calibration which occurs at power-on. Not sure if it extends beyond that…

@photographer-at-large9795 3 года назад

Hello Curtis, did you know Hive have been shipping for a couple years their Hornet unit...its 7-color array uses Red, Amber, Lime, Green, Cyan, Blue, and Sapphire LEDs.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Yes, would love to try those! Same with Arri orbiter. However, the Prolycht is the least expensive option with this much power from what I can tell.

@innercynic2784 3 года назад

Very interesting. Just like teachers teaching to the test we shouldn't simply build to the spec and expect the best.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Good analogy - thanks Inner Cynic.

@antoineinniss5586 3 года назад

Mr Judd I'm commenting from the Caribbean. Can you recommend some budget LED lights I can install in my home voice over booth. And what music script stand light can you recommend. Your expert direction, advice and recommendations are all appreciated

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Hi Antoine, you might look at the GVM lights. Here's one example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NVfNcokJ0Dk.html

@antoineinniss5586 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd sir those lights are for video and photography. What I really need are budget lights recommendation, for my voice over recording space, so i can light it up for writing and reading my scripts. I also asked you for a recommended script stand light. Thank you Mr Judd

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

@@antoineinniss5586 Hi Antoine, I'm sorry, I do not know much about non-video related lighting.

@clurkroberts2650 3 года назад

Aputure looks better online. Difference is negligible. But maybe that is due to compression or it’s your editing. Fans louder, is a relevant issue. Which is the better build? Which is more user friendly in day to day use.?

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

I used the exact same LUT for both and kept everything the same for each shot except for the light. Very possible that RU-vid compression washes out most of the difference. Definitely more red tones in the skin in the original clip Aputure shot which is not true to life. Whether it looks better or worse is largely subjective.

@danvandy6557 3 года назад

Northridge rules!

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Northridge bro! I hope things are rad for you!

@mathewcoulliette2233 2 года назад

Hi Curtis, Why has nobody reviewed the Elation Professional Colour 5 Profile Ellipsoidal? It is a RGBAM Spotlight! I have been looking for this for a long time. It came out like 5 years ago. Output could be higher; 180 Watt.

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Hi Matthew, I cannot speak for anyone else, but I've never heard of it, so that's why I haven't reviewed it.

@mathewcoulliette2233 2 года назад

@@curtisjudd I found a better one; it was released about a year ago. American DJ Encore Profile Pro Color Highlights. It is RGBWAL, 250 Watt. ADJ is a good company, I am familiar with their Hazer. To me, a full Color spotlight is the Holy Grail!

@mathewcoulliette2233 2 года назад

@@curtisjudd HI again, the ADJ Color Spotlight is missing the baby receiver; I guess DJs don't use light stands. That's not a problem because you can buy a "yoke to stand adapter"; Avenger makes one for about $15.00!

@EugeneMaynard 3 года назад

🙏🏾

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

👍

@50450720 3 года назад

Wow, the price of that thing 😱😱😱 If only they did a cheaper version for sole traders!

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

They will come down in price, but this is already a big jump down from the Arri Orbiter. Big jump!

@mjlagrone 3 года назад

now if we can get people to add an LED for the deep blue , say 420 nm we would get better daylight scores as well as better blues in general. Many things start to slightly fluoresce at these shorter wavelengths (many white shirts do this dramatically) and so those look brighter under sunlight or (heaven forbid) fluorescent lights.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

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@KaidoLP 3 года назад

I would have loved to see the daylight results of the 300x in the comparison too (as it is a bicolor light) and maybe a spectral diagram taken from the color meter

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Me too. Hopefully in a full review if I am able to get a production copy.

@achraf9946 3 года назад

The soundquality is that great in your videos that it become unnatural you look far away in the video but the sound sounds so close hope you got my point =)

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback.

@RustyTube 3 года назад

Re 3:19 - I disagree. They _are_ all that different. If I could afford it, I would go for this light.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Thanks for the input, RustyTube.

@mathewcoulliette2233 2 года назад

Hi Curtis, Sorry to bother you again. I like your review of the Orion 300 FS, but the design never impressed me. The build quality was a little shaky, and it was from a brand that I had never heard of, however, the 675 caught my eye. I am still concerned about how strong the Yoke is, but I am sold on the 6 color engine. I also like that there is no ballast or power supply. Everything is built into the head. One more thing... I looked up "Lycht", and it means "Light" in Scottish or maybe German. So you can say either "ProLycht" or "ProLight"; it means the same thing. Mathew

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Thanks Mathew.

@xx1simon1xx 3 года назад

this is nothing new. astera had their titan light engine for quiet some time (based on the same principles) and arri now too with their orbiter. astera titans have been the only option next to real tungsten for perfect skintones for a while now, so im happy to see the technology becoming more common. the orbiter is a stupid light btw. colors be damned if its that dimm while being that heavy.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Yes, and the price is coming down, which is also good.

@boasol 2 года назад

Hey Curtis, please look at your video on a good, calibrated monitor, or even on a recent Macbook Pro display. Your LUT is EXTREMELY crushing the highlights (pet peeve of mine as a 10 year experience gaffer). Impossible to actually see quality of light with that. Maybe the reason why your comparison looks pretty much the same, and not supporting your statements. I have experienced a number of DP's that grade their own stuff, having results like that, which I suspect is due to not having a reference image to compare to, viewing conditions, hardware, and settings, or others being afraid to tell them as to not undermine getting hired or recommended for future gigs (being guilty of that myself) Your skin, model skin is pale, yet it lacks the natural highlights / rolloff that would occur, and lacks dimension. Especially considering the color rendering focus of your review, you omitted the "freshness" feature, or the tech behind that. Do a still shot with a Canon SLR with the default color setting of your scene, and compare on a decent monitor on a Mac, and maybe you will see the difference, and/or test with one of the default baked-in settings on the camera. A real scene with a whole range of natural (fruit?) colors, unique, deep, or neon color textiles, as well as a completely neutral scene with a full range of tones and contrast, would also help. If possible, show very dark black skintone, as well as olive and Asian skintone.

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Yes, will a Flanders DM240 do? Thanks for the insights and suggestions!

@The-Logician 3 года назад

My biggest take away from this video is to wonder how Curtis can get his wife to sit in as the video's model without her making faces and just acting silly. I can't get my wife to sit in to save my life....

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

She gets paid to help. 🙃

@ymgmdmgmom 3 года назад

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@curtisjudd 3 года назад

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@Tuernah 2 года назад

Hi. Curtis we want fo know who the color scientists they be who they made Prolycht then we want ask them questions in how theye didi they research addition development in this loght. They be say in site Prolycht it be company made by color scientists however no informatio in who they be addition they biography. Maybe you can do interview. All loght mesurmeent be not perfect however TM30 best we so far. Yes for our eyes inddeed see however we remeber each person eye have small variation in how they see color. Important to mak difference? So far small differnece, some can see change in 1 kelvin. Most can see chnage in 50 kv. Condition in rods addition cones maybe addition affect RGB in brains. Thank you for direct data like not random info we do not need like maybe your house be dark addition it need light, time it be precious. Goo bye ✌️

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Hi Tuernah, The CEO of Prolycht is the lighting scientist. His name is Anquing Liu and you can see an interview with him over at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pgIT-T8o3u0.html

@timkang1980 2 года назад

Sigh. This was honestly quite a frustrating watch. I know this is from almost a year ago - I hope your testing methodology has changed. Your relative gauge for SSI values are correct, as well your conclusion that test shots are most important. But if a test like this doesn't have a reference like an actual tungsten or daylight shot, it's really difficult to take anyone's word for it that something looked more accurate to a subjective viewpoint. Otherwise, any discussion of metric numbers, like in this case, falls flat...

@curtisjudd 2 года назад

Thanks for the input Tim.

@loudandclearmedia 3 года назад

What an awful spelling of a brand name...lol.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

Lycht is evidently German for “Light”.

@loudandclearmedia 3 года назад

@@curtisjudd ah. That makes more sense.

@aLittlePal 3 года назад

it restores some degree of my faith in humanity. why not do this array in this fashion then, I questions. everything is expensive and bad now, a grand is equivalent to a single old dollar; all the stuff costs a batch of dollars, as the dollar is depreciated into a worthless piece of junk. the core is the incapability and inability, people lost the ability to produce and develop, so that is why things cost many. they don't even have the decency to use ultraviolet led as the base to spark the light spectrum during the phosphor phase, they just use a strong blue light, so that is why the cyan is always bad, and the overall spectrum is ugly and not smooth, bad transition, spiky. thank you for bringing this kind of product into your review.

@curtisjudd 3 года назад

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